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Zombie Steve
05-22-2012, 17:13
I overheard a manager talking to an employee in a store today... "We really just want you to be yourself." I thought to myself "what if that person sucks?" You just encouraged them to be themselves and suck. You might want to get the foundation laid out before you start building. Then I started thinking of all the sales meetings, sales awards dinners and especially motivational speakers I've had to go to after being in sales for the last 16 years. What good does it do? If it's a room full of idiots, you'll notice that when you leave, you're in a parking lot full of highly motivated idiots. Is that really what's needed?
Let's get out of the shower, towel off, then put on our clothes, people.
That is all.
Sharpienads
05-22-2012, 17:24
That made me lol.
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 17:26
Example: Wife and I are out for dinner, the prime rib looks good and one of the " house" specials they're known for.
To the waitress i ask, so how's the prime rib as i like it very rare.
Waitress: I don't know i'm a vegetarian.
Instead of saying........let me go and check for you as we've been busy and the prime rib has been in demand.
Maybe some tips to wait staff prior to serving customers...All our dished are very good and the XXX is highly rated by our customers.
Vegetarian in a steak house ??
Zombie Steve
05-22-2012, 17:28
Vegetarian in a steak house ??
Yeah... what highly motivated waterhead made that hiring decision?
Its like the so called parenting counslers/experts who don't even have chilldren.
Example: Wife and I are out for dinner, the prime rib looks good and one of the " house" specials they're known for.
To the waitress i ask, so how's the prime rib as i like it very rare.
Waitress: I don't know i'm a vegetarian.
Instead of saying........let me go and check for you as we've been busy and the prime rib has been in demand.
Maybe some tips to wait staff prior to serving customers...All our dished are very good and the XXX is highly rated by our customers.
Vegetarian in a steak house ??
maybe she likes tubesteak?
Chad4000
05-22-2012, 17:44
maybe She Likes Tubesteak?
Lol
Scanker19
05-22-2012, 17:51
someone's feelings are going to get hurt without the positive outlook.
Zombie Steve
05-22-2012, 17:52
Low protein in women can lead to osteoporosis. It's a true story.
Low protein in women can lead to osteoporosis. It's a true story.
I always told them they needed more iron in their diet. [tooth]
Vegetarian in a steak house ??
I agree. I got served at a brew-pub by someone who doesn't drink beer.
Fine decision if that's what works for you, but work somewhere other than serving at a brewery.
Low protein in women can lead to osteoporosis. It's a true story.
And breast cancer.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041126040807/http://homepage.mac.com/nikkienikks/iblog/C294808266/E910814554/Media/cnn.html
Agreed. I was a manager training sales people for a national company for a number of years. I took the opposite approach. "Yes you are unique and special. Do it my way anyway."
Zombie Steve
05-22-2012, 18:31
http://4chanmemeandmotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/unique_-_just_because_you_are_unique_does_not_mean_you_are _useful.jpg
SA Friday
05-22-2012, 18:42
Interrogations are the ultimate sales pitch. Convincing someone to listen to their rights, which are contrary to illiciting a confession, and then convince them to not only disregard the info but tell on themselves.
I would let my probies blow their first interrogation (either an easy slam dunk not requiring a confession or something very low level like a hot urinalysis). Then I would make them do it the right way. Success can only be found after failure and the realization that their way sucked.
I'll agree. I've seen a few of the techniques, it is an art, and one that I would suck at without significant experience and training.
My good friend's dad and uncles run the company that teaches the Reid technique of interrogation to LEOs, etc. What a house to grow up in... as a gullible child you get interrogated by the guy that teaches interrogators. I'm sure he got away with very little. lol
I had a discussion with our VP of sales today. He was saying how we just hired 2 more salespeople from our competitor..
I asked, "if we're truly kicking their ass, like we say we are, why do we want their people? they must suck..."
he didn't know how to respond. Maybe I just "under-think" things
SA Friday
05-22-2012, 18:58
I'll agree. I've seen a few of the techniques, it is an art, and one that I would suck at without significant experience and training.
My good friend's dad and uncles run the company that teaches the Reid technique of interrogation to LEOs, etc. What a house to grow up in... as a gullible child you get interrogated by the guy that teaches interrogators. I'm sure he got away with very little. lol
Uh, yep. That's what we used too. Lots of newbies simply have "too much TV" syndrome, so I had to get it out of heir systems.
BTW, my kids have lived the above. It's amazing just how many times they have to relearn that they can't lie to me.
Example: Wife and I are out for dinner, the prime rib looks good and one of the " house" specials they're known for.
To the waitress i ask, so how's the prime rib as i like it very rare.
Waitress: I don't know i'm a vegetarian.
Instead of saying........let me go and check for you as we've been busy and the prime rib has been in demand.
Maybe some tips to wait staff prior to serving customers...All our dished are very good and the XXX is highly rated by our customers.
Vegetarian in a steak house ??
were you in boulder by chance? lol
I suck balls at sales. I understand all the concepts fully, and feel like I could teach other people to do it, but I can't do it myself.
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 19:31
maybe she likes tubesteak?
Maybe i heard her wrong and she was a VAGaterian!
Uh, yep. That's what we used too. Lots of newbies simply have "too much TV" syndrome, so I had to get it out of heir systems.
BTW, my kids have lived the above. It's amazing just how many times they have to relearn that they can't lie to me.
Just on point.
I have told many people over the years that I am a salesman selling what no one wants... a criminal record.
Even though my oldest is now 22, the look on his face is priceless when the light goes on and he realizes how long I've been letting him lie to my face about something that I have cold hard evidence to controvert his lie. That face is always followed with some version of "I don't know why I even try. It would just have been easier to tell you the truth and get it over with."
Kids do the darndest things : )
As to Reid; its a good technique. It is a good place to start, but the only thing that makes someone a good interrogator is conducting interrogations, thousands of them. Practice, practice, practice. When you think you are good at something, practice some more. There is always room for improvement.
Be safe.
Sharpienads
05-22-2012, 23:12
I was interrogated at SERE. It's not fun, and hard to remember all the techniques they taught you four sleepless, foodless days ago.
Bailey Guns
05-23-2012, 08:36
I'll agree. I've seen a few of the techniques, it is an art, and one that I would suck at without significant experience and training.
My good friend's dad and uncles run the company that teaches the Reid technique of interrogation to LEOs, etc. What a house to grow up in... as a gullible child you get interrogated by the guy that teaches interrogators. I'm sure he got away with very little. lol
LMAO! I'm sure my oldest son could tell you a few stories about growing up in my house.
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