Your oath never expires...

[10mm-man]

How many took it? How many stand by it? how many believe that it never expires?

Oath of Enlistment
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Officers Oath

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

[Scanker19]

To Quote Avenged Sevenfold "And all things will end"

[DD977GM2]

My obligation ended in 2004 for anything military related.
Now I just look out for my friends and family to protect.

[stevelkinevil]

How many took it? How many stand by it? how many believe that it never expires?

Oath of Enlistment
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Officers Oath

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

I do and I will, first and foremost the red lettered words!

[10mm-man]

I do and I will, first and foremost the red lettered words!

EXACTLY! Someone get's it......... THANKS!

[jackthewall81]

I support the constitution of the USA. Not the retards trying to ruin/change this wonderful country.

[10mm-man]

I support the constitution of the USA. Not the retards trying to ruin/change this wonderful country.

Agreed!

[jerrymrc]

Been under it and/or a variation of it since 1980. ;)

[Tinelement]

Was never enlisted.

I would say that the "Oath of Enlistment" should follow the Pledge of Allegiance, for civilian folk.

Thanks for posting. Didn't know about those.

[Scanker19]

The problem is that if something were to happen to the civil structure of the US the people with legal obligations to this oath, and those that follow it after the fact will be enemies.

Follow your heart, not some mass recited verse that often contradicts it's self.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

I'm pissed that at age 17, I was told by my Marine recruiter that I would not pass the physical part!! I passed all other tests with A+ grades. But too many broken bones the Marines would NOT take me!!

He said I could go into the Army no problem, Navy for sure, but the friends were going into the Core!! I said pack sand!

Now I'm my own!! Willing to take on any enemy that tries to F-with the USA!! No matter what!! S*it hits. Lead flyin!!

[BlasterBob]

Took the enlistment oath back in 1955. Still believe in it!!

[BPTactical]

Was never enlisted.

I would say that the "Oath of Enlistment" should follow the Pledge of Allegiance, for civilian folk.


I as well, but I would like to think they mean just as much to me as they do one who has served.
I have always felt quite strongly of both.

[tmleadr03]

I'm pissed that at age 17, I was told by my Marine recruiter that I would not pass the physical part!! I passed all other tests with A+ grades. But too many broken bones the Marines would NOT take me!!

He said I could go into the Army no problem, Navy for sure, but the friends were going into the Core!! I said pack sand!

Now I'm my own!! Willing to take on any enemy that tries to F-with the USA!! No matter what!! S*it hits. Lead flyin!!

One of those tests wasn't spelling was it. (insert some sort of smilie to show that I am joking here)

[10mm-man]

The problem is that if something were to happen to the civil structure of the US the people with legal obligations to this oath, and those that follow it after the fact will be enemies.

Follow your heart, not some mass recited verse that often contradicts it's self.

Constitution of the USA as the forefathers written and intended....

There are not enough who are involved enough IMHO and I for one believe, we must all stand up, and Take our Country BACK from those that are doing harm to it.....

[10mm-man]

One of those tests wasn't spelling was it. (insert some sort of smilie to show that I am joking here)

OK, Pyle no prob...... lol.... Just messin man!

That was not intended for you..... It was for the DSB..

I thought he wrote that then I realized it was you calling him out... ooooops

[10mm-man]

I as well, but I would like to think they mean just as much to me as they do one who has served.
I have always felt quite strongly of both.

Yea, said every morning in the class. From Pre-school to college... Shit said along with your prayers for that matter! ha...

[stevelkinevil]

The problem is that if something were to happen to the civil structure of the US the people with legal obligations to this oath, and those that follow it after the fact will be enemies.

Follow your heart, not some mass recited verse that often contradicts it's self.

Not all who take that oath do it in the way you suggest. I was discharged in 98, took a similar oath as an LEO, now Im a Graphic designer and Range safety officer. To suggest that none of these young men took the oath meaning that first and foremost they are to protect and defend the constitution is patently false. Sure some will follow orders blindly but many of our men in uniform would and technically could refuse to follow any order which violates the constitution they swore to uphold and defend, I myself take it quite seriously and especially the foreign and DOMESTIC part. I still believe our constitution when not being twisted is the single greatest document a group of men ever envisioned. Now if we would've only left it alone.

[10mm-man]

Took the enlistment oath back in 1955. Still believe in it!!

Thank you for your service; old timer!

[Rucker61]

Constitution of the USA as the forefathers written and intended....


So still keeping to those rules that slavery in legal, women can't vote and no direct election of Senators?




There are not enough who are involved enough IMHO and I for one believe, we must all stand up, and Take our Country BACK from those that are doing harm to it.....

So you're getting out the Republican vote, I take it, or are you preaching sedition? It's so hard to tell without the sedition smileys available.

[10mm-man]

Now if we would've only left it alone.

Amen to that!

[stevelkinevil]

Constitution of the USA as the forefathers written and intended....

There are not enough who are involved enough IMHO and I for one believe, we must all stand up, and Take our Country BACK from those that are doing harm to it.....

Three Percenter and proud of it!

[10mm-man]

So still keeping to those rules that slavery in legal, women can't vote and no direct election of Senators?



So you're getting out the Republican vote, I take it, or are you preaching sedition? It's so hard to tell without the sedition smileys available.

O boy, a whole other discussion........

I am gonna go re read the part about slavery being legal and women not voting.. I will be back at you shortly.... ( insert a whole bunch of different smiley guys here)

*** While I am re reading the Constitution, tell me; what oath was it that you took and when?***** And if you haven't ( or willing to) I think you might be part of the problem....

[cstone]

Never take an oath unless you intend to abide by that oath. My oath is a sacred honor and my life is bound by that oath as long as I live.

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.

1 Lord, who may dwell in your sacred tent?
Who may live on your holy mountain?

2 The one whose walk is blameless,
who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from their heart;
3 whose tongue utters no slander,
who does no wrong to a neighbor,
and casts no slur on others;
4 who despises a vile person
but honors those who fear the Lord;
who keeps an oath even when it hurts,
and does not change their mind;
5 who lends money to the poor without interest;
who does not accept a bribe against the innocent.

Whoever does these things
will never be shaken.

[Rucker61]

O boy, a whole other discussion........

I am gonna go re read the part about slavery being legal and women not voting.. I will be back at you shortly.... ( insert a whole bunch of different smiley guys here)

*** While I am re reading the Constitution, tell me; what oath was it that you took and when?***** And if you haven't ( or willing to) I think you might be part of the problem....

First one, 1983; second time, 1986. Got three HDs to show for it.

[brokenscout]

We are all slave to the system anyways.I just wrote a paper on Private Prisons. The Gov uses the Constitution when it works in their favor. As long as you have a gun You have Basic Human Rights

[10mm-man]

First one, 1983; second time, 1986. Got three HDs to show for it.

Thank for your service!

So what is this about; preaching sedition??? Why would you suggest one would do such??

[10mm-man]

Never take an oath unless you intend to abide by that oath. My oath is a sacred honor and my life is bound by that oath as long as I live.

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.

1 Lord, who may dwell in your sacred tent?
Who may live on your holy mountain?

2 The one whose walk is blameless,
who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from their heart;
3 whose tongue utters no slander,
who does no wrong to a neighbor,
and casts no slur on others;
4 who despises a vile person
but honors those who fear the Lord;
who keeps an oath even when it hurts,
and does not change their mind;
5 who lends money to the poor without interest;
who does not accept a bribe against the innocent.

Whoever does these things
will never be shaken.

I like it!

[Rucker61]

Thank for your service!

So what is this about; preaching sedition??? Why would you suggest one would do such??

From your earlier post: " we must all stand up, and Take our Country BACK from those that are doing harm to it....."

What did you mean here?

[brokenscout]

I like sedition, but you have to be United in order to achieve your goalsand then another Gov forms:) and it all starts over.But if this goes on any longer we will all give up our Rights

[10mm-man]

From your earlier post: " we must all stand up, and Take our Country BACK from those that are doing harm to it....."

What did you mean here?

Not sure what your digging here for?? For you to even bring up sedition makes me wonder what your digging for? Do you always accuse people of preaching sedition when they suggest that they should stand up for America?

When Obama was preaching for change; did you accuse him of it or vote for him? Which one?

[brokenscout]

Thank for your service!

So what is this about; preaching sedition??? Why would you suggest one would do such??
At this point being in the military is a Job choice, when is the last time the military defended this country in a war.Or a guy"I joined the military for the GI BILL"(not me). There are alot that join for the right reasons, but there alot that do not.

[10mm-man]

But if this goes on any longer we will all give up our Rights


I think you get it.....

Not sure what this other guy is thinking;, Rucker61..........

[Sharpienads]

So still keeping to those rules that slavery in legal, women can't vote and no direct election of Senators?

I think that you need to read your constitution again (or for the first time). Amending the constitution in the way laid out in Article V is in keeping with the way our founding fathers intended. Also, the constitution doesn't endorse slavery, nor does it say that women can't vote. Furthermore, there is a reason that in the original text senators were elected by the state governments. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having a bicameral legislature if they both represent the people? The House is supposed to represent the people, the Senate is supposed to represent the states. The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed, IMO.

[brokenscout]

True, we give them the power.If you decide not to your a criminal, but you will die free.Also i'm tired of the "thank you for your service BS" people sign up.Take the discount and move on.

[zteknik]

When I first took my Oath back in '85 I understood what it meant and would uphold it to the utmost of my abillity,even death.I still firmly believe in my oath and will do the same-Except for the UCMJ,it keeps changing but I'll stick to the basics I remember ;)

[brokenscout]

I think that you need to read your constitution again. Amending the constitution in the way laid out in Article V is in keeping with the way our founding fathers intended. Also, the constitution doesn't endorse slavery, nor does it say that women can't vote. Furthermore, there is a reason that in the original text senators were elected by the state governments. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having a bicameral legislature if they both represent the people? The House is supposed to represent the people, the Senate is supposed to represent the states. The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed, IMO.
Right on,I will steal this

[Scanker19]

Also i'm tired of the "thank you for your service BS" people sign up.Take the discount and move on.

I'm buying you lunch.

[MCarp71]

I took it, and live it! Escpecially....

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic!

I have family members traced back, who served in every war since the Civil War.

Thank You Brothers, and Sisters.

God Bless!!

[10mm-man]

I think that you need to read your constitution again (or for the first time). Amending the constitution in the way laid out in Article V is in keeping with the way our founding fathers intended. Also, the constitution doesn't endorse slavery, nor does it say that women can't vote. Furthermore, there is a reason that in the original text senators were elected by the state governments. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having a bicameral legislature if they both represent the people? The House is supposed to represent the people, the Senate is supposed to represent the states. The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed, IMO.

I was waiting for this.... Thank you sir!

[10mm-man]

I have family members traced back, who served in every war since the Civil War.

Thank You Brothers, and Sisters.

God Bless!!

Lt. Dans! Is that you? HA just messin.....

[10mm-man]

I'm buying you lunch.

I get a discount for us if I'm invited!! Lol.....

[Rucker61]

Not sure what your digging here for?? For you to even bring up sedition makes me wonder what your digging for? Do you always accuse people of preaching sedition when they suggest that they should stand up for America?

When Obama was preaching for change; did you accuse him of it or vote for him? Which one?

I think I asked first if you were getting out the vote.

[Rucker61]

I think you get it.....

Not sure what this other guy is thinking;, Rucker61..........

Thinking that this country will last a lot longer than anyone on this forum.

[10mm-man]

I think I asked first if you were getting out the vote.

Neither... Put I am considering my run for Pres one day, so I thought I would start here....

[MCarp71]

Lt. Dans! Is that you? HA just messin.....

I guess that does sound ironic, but no! :)

Stupid is what stupid does Sir!

[10mm-man]

I guess that does sound ironic, but no! :)

Stupid is what stupid does Sir!

I was hoping you got it! lol...

[Rucker61]

I think that you need to read your constitution again (or for the first time). Amending the constitution in the way laid out in Article V is in keeping with the way our founding fathers intended.


True, and it's been used 17 more times in accordance with that process, for good and bad.


Also, the constitution doesn't endorse slavery, nor does it say that women can't vote.


True, it doesn't endorse it, but neither does it disallow it. It's only addressed in the initial Constitution in Article 1, Section II. Slavery was outlawed by a Constitutional Amendment in 1865. Prior to that, it was fully legal under the Constitution.

Amendment 19 was passed in 1920, ensuring women would be allowed to vote. We can argue de jure vs de facto, but it's a fact that women were not allowed to vote during the time of our founding fathers, that they were fully aware of that, and had the tools to make sure that women were granted that right. It didn't happen for over 120 years.




Furthermore, there is a reason that in the original text senators were elected by the state governments. Otherwise, what's the purpose of having a bicameral legislature if they both represent the people? The House is supposed to represent the people, the Senate is supposed to represent the states. The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed, IMO.

I've never given this much thought, but you raise interesting points. I would agree with your last statement, in that it would help remove the permanent politicians from the Senate. We should be allowed to smear feces on lobbyists, too.

[Rucker61]

Neither... Put I am considering my run for Pres one day, so I thought I would start here....

Why would you put yourself through that? Besides, unless you're a millionaire (and if you are, I take back everything, old buddy) you don't have much change of getting elected.

[tmleadr03]

True, we give them the power.If you decide not to your a criminal, but you will die free.Also i'm tired of the "thank you for your service BS" people sign up.Take the discount and move on.

I was very well paid for what I did. Still am for that matter.

[brokenscout]

I was very well paid for what I did. Still am for that matter.
Best workmens comp out there:)Where is this thread going?

[tmleadr03]

Best workmens comp out there:)Where is this thread going?

Paid to work out and shoot guns. Does it get better then that? You get the gun fix and you are in prime physical shape so hitting the town does not bring laughter (like it would now for me).

[brokenscout]

Paid to work out and shoot guns. Does it get better then that? You get the gun fix and you are in prime physical shape so hitting the town does not bring laughter (like it would now for me).
THats funny and true.I'm done with full auto now that I have to pay for the ammo:)

[Fmedges]

Yut, Kill

[brokenscout]

Yut, Kill
?

[Eggysrun]

I live by my sig.

[Fmedges]

?


1. yut
1. a motivational word used in the U.S. Military, similar to the word oorah - often used when one is either too lazy or not motivated enough to say oorah or other popular word of motivation.

2. used when in a large group of military members. When they shout a motivational term on cue, some may shout "YUT!" instead, and often in a sharp, awkward voice, just to stand out.
When the Master Sergeant tells a lower-ranking Marine to complete a task, one who is new would likely shout "oorah!" to sound motivated. But a Marine who has been in longer may likely shout "Yut!" instead to show his motivation.

As for Kill

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090914210227AASsrly

[losttrail]

Took the enlistment oath in 1980 for MTARNG and again in 1982 when I went active.

Still believe in it.

[scratchy]

Took it in various forms 1979, 1984, 1988

[Great-Kazoo]

Did a stint (short) USN way back during the SEA police action.
My Word is both an Oath and Bond.

There are some who never joined ,OR folks my age got drafted. Do they have an oath? no. Does that mean i trust them any less than does who have served, again that answer is NO.

[waxthis]

Why would you put yourself through that? Besides, unless you're a millionaire (and if you are, I take back everything, old buddy) you don't have much change of getting elected.


True, and it's been used 17 more times in accordance with that process, for good and bad.



True, it doesn't endorse it, but neither does it disallow it. It's only addressed in the initial Constitution in Article 1, Section II. Slavery was outlawed by a Constitutional Amendment in 1865. Prior to that, it was fully legal under the Constitution.

Amendment 19 was passed in 1920, ensuring women would be allowed to vote. We can argue de jure vs de facto, but it's a fact that women were not allowed to vote during the time of our founding fathers, that they were fully aware of that, and had the tools to make sure that women were granted that right. It didn't happen for over 120 years.



I've never given this much thought, but you raise interesting points. I would agree with your last statement, in that it would help remove the permanent politicians from the Senate. We should be allowed to smear feces on lobbyists, too.

" We should be allowed to smear feces on lobbyists, too.".......Oh hell yes, I like this guy.....:)

[Scanker19]

Yut, Kill

It's like Aieeyah when you're not in the 3d ACR....... RIP 3dACR.

[BlasterBob]

Thank you for your service; old timer!

Well, thanks for that thank you.

Oh yeah, I also took a vow/oath (or what ever you want to consider it) at the altar, in front of a priest and my relatives, to stick with my wife for the duration. Now that was 51+ years ago. So, I do believe in keeping my word/promise.

[tmleadr03]

?

Should help explain a bit. Or raise more questions. Hard to say.

zbH9Mn5K7cM

[Ronin13]

I live by my sig.

I love it!

I took the oath on October 1st, 2006 and since then have followed it and upheld it to the best of my abilities even after my discharge in 2010. My time may have been short in falling under the rule of the UCMJ but that oath will never be broken by this man. The only problem, and in chronological order "Support and defend the constitution" comes before following the orders of the president, so I wonder if there is a way to uphold that oath if the enemy of the constitution one day becomes the very president who is giving the orders? Not saying that's the case now [for our friends who read this site] [Coffee] But what if?

[10mm-man]

Should help explain a bit. Or raise more questions. Hard to say.

zbH9Mn5K7cM

OOOOH F'N RA! Yuut yuut,,, Hilarious, some actually act like that....

[Aloha_Shooter]

How many took it? How many stand by it? how many believe that it never expires?

Oath of Enlistment
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Officers Oath

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

I look at it this way:

My willingness to obey the orders of the President (especially this particular President) ended with my retirement. My obligation under the oath will end when my potential call-up as part of the Inactive Ready Reserve (i.e., relatively recent retiree) ends but my personal commitment to the Constitution will continue to death.

[HandKBRad]

Never take an oath unless you intend to abide by that oath.

Agreed!

My oath expires the day I die. It means as much to me today as it did every time I’ve taken it. Once at MEPS the second time the day I became a Marine. I know not everyone likes Oath Keepers. But I think the Oath Keepers “Ten Orders We will Not Obey” covers a lot that I believe in.

[mcantar18c]

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier, who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight, and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it my be, one hundred percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. I will never leave a fallen comrade and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
Rangers Lead the Way!