View Full Version : How long till the AWB is back?
brokenscout
05-26-2012, 22:14
Everyone says it will never happen,but it did. We are lucky to have high cap mags back. ARs Aks are dumb with a 10 rd mag or $100 30 round mag
http://www.nraila.org/search.aspx?s=%22Jesse%20Jackson%22
Scanker19
05-26-2012, 22:37
Shit! I didn't pay the NRA. So tomorrow......
brokenscout
05-26-2012, 22:39
Shit! I didn't pay the NRA. So tomorrow......
HAHA, thats funny.But you don't remember the ban, it sucked.You'd be fine cause you like Garands:) it could happen again,and very soon
The sheeple didn't do anything about it last time. Will they(we) do anything about it the next time it happens?
Great-Kazoo
05-26-2012, 23:06
Common Sense Gun Laws fool any middle of the road gun owner. The perfect example (again) is the Gun Show Loophole Law. The average CO gun owner fell for it hook, line & sinker.
We have a timid pro gun legislature that would pass a "GSLH" if another mass shooting occurred.
McDonalds in San Ysidro CA started the AWB in that state.
The LI Train shooting propelled Mcarthy in to office and "reasonable" gun laws became stricter
On & on it goes. mass media and the web allow the world to see live, or the aftermath of horrendous acts against our fellow man/woman.
Give it one maybe 2x between now and Nov, Obama will be swept back in to office on the bodies of americans.
After Nov IF, big IF (this is how much of an impression the rep candidate has) i had a mind blank (oh yeah Romney) Actually won and we suffered the same scenario, he'd jump at any "reasonable" laws.
brokenscout
05-26-2012, 23:17
We are one shooting away from being criminals
Eggysrun
05-27-2012, 00:04
Screw the NRA, too many times they have made comprimises with the anti-gun groups in Washington and that doesn't fly with me. I don't want my "RIGHTS" turned into bullshit comprimises.
jackthewall81
05-27-2012, 00:05
NRA is all we got
There is Gun Owners of America.
jackthewall81
05-27-2012, 00:33
There is Gun Owners of America.
True. Forgot about them.
Common Sense Gun Laws fool any middle of the road gun owner. The perfect example (again) is the Gun Show Loophole Law. The average CO gun owner fell for it hook, line & sinker.
We have a timid pro gun legislature that would pass a "GSLH" if another mass shooting occurred.
McDonalds in San Ysidro CA started the AWB in that state.
The LI Train shooting propelled Mcarthy in to office and "reasonable" gun laws became stricter
On & on it goes. mass media and the web allow the world to see live, or the aftermath of horrendous acts against our fellow man/woman.
Give it one maybe 2x between now and Nov, Obama will be swept back in to office on the bodies of americans.
After Nov IF, big IF (this is how much of an impression the rep candidate has) i had a mind blank (oh yeah Romney) Actually won and we suffered the same scenario, he'd jump at any "reasonable" laws.
This was the whole concept behind Fast and Furious.
Byte Stryke
05-27-2012, 08:01
I am somewhere in the middle of "Enemies, foreign and Domestic" and that whole scenario terrifies the living shit out of me.
but yes, My Oath has no expiration date.
;)
KevDen2005
05-27-2012, 09:51
HAHA, thats funny.But you don't remember the ban, it sucked.You'd be fine cause you like Garands:) it could happen again,and very soon
Garands have bayonet lugs...which means they could get up and kill your children on their own
BlasterBob
05-27-2012, 10:18
Garands have bayonet lugs...which means they could get up and kill your children on their own
Yeah and by grinding the bayonet down to a spike, they could still be used for roasting hot dogs. Hope they don't make such "cooking utensils" illegal too. ;-))
Great-Kazoo
05-27-2012, 10:36
Yeah and by grinding the bayonet down to a spike, they could still be used for roasting hot dogs. Hope they don't make such "cooking utensils" illegal too. ;-))
The UK has already done so.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 10:47
Even in the Gun Community i'd say atleast %50 wouldn't care if the AWB was back. I think it will happen sooner than we think.How long till the trading section is shut down?
If the seated president wins a second term, I could see an attempt at an AWB. I would think the American people had spoken on the issue after his last election. The backlash to the democratic party was pretty sound. Hopefully that will be enough to deter another attempt.
In reality, did the last AWB accomplish anything? From the research I have done (by no meads exhaustive) I cannot find anything to show that the AWB reduced crime, gunshot deaths or assaults.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 11:34
If the seated president wins a second term, I could see an attempt at an AWB. I would think the American people had spoken on the issue after his last election. The backlash to the democratic party was pretty sound. Hopefully that will be enough to deter another attempt.
In reality, did the last AWB accomplish anything? From the research I have done (by no meads exhaustive) I cannot find anything to show that the AWB reduced crime, gunshot deaths or assaults.
It showed the Federal Gov can do whatever they feel like?
BPTactical
05-27-2012, 12:23
If the seated president wins a second term, I could see an attempt at an AWB. I would think the American people had spoken on the issue after his last election. The backlash to the democratic party was pretty sound. Hopefully that will be enough to deter another attempt.
In reality, did the last AWB accomplish anything? From the research I have done (by no meads exhaustive) I cannot find anything to show that the AWB reduced crime, gunshot deaths or assaults.
Either way we will see the 2cnd attacked.
If BHO gets a second term he will go after it with great zeal. He promised while in Denver during the DNC he would "see that military type weapons are forever off the streets of America"
If not re-elected he will be passed and will have a lame dick session where I am sure he will leave a nice and steamy pile of EO's.
Just Google his "Firearms voting record".
NRA
GOA
SAF and any other lobby group deserves support. Its our only chance
If the seated president wins a second term, I could see an attempt at an AWB. I would think the American people had spoken on the issue after his last election. The backlash to the democratic party was pretty sound. Hopefully that will be enough to deter another attempt.
In reality, did the last AWB accomplish anything? From the research I have done (by no meads exhaustive) I cannot find anything to show that the AWB reduced crime, gunshot deaths or assaults.
Either way we will see the 2cnd attacked.
If BHO gets a second term he will go after it with great zeal. He promised while in Denver during the DNC he would "see that military type weapons are forever off the streets of America"
If not re-elected he will be passed and will have a lame dick session where I am sure he will leave a nice and steamy pile of EO's.
Just Google his "Firearms voting record".
NRA
GOA
SAF and any other lobby group deserves support. Its our only chance
Bert is right again, we'll see something whether Obama wins or not.
An EO can be over-turned if there is a 2/3 vote against the EO.
While the power of the executive order seems broad, there are checks. One check is Congress's ability to overturn executive orders, much in the same way that it may overturn a presidential veto (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-veto.htm). A two-thirds vote of both houses (i.e., both the Senate and the House of Representatives) is required to overturn an executive order. This means that it can be extremely hard to overturn an executive order, since most members of Congress typically vote along party lines.http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-executive-order.htm
theGinsue
05-27-2012, 15:38
In reality, did the last AWB accomplish anything? From the research I have done (by no meads exhaustive) I cannot find anything to show that the AWB reduced crime, gunshot deaths or assaults.
We all know this, but the anti's don't care to use facts to make their case, they prefer to use emotion. If they spent their time and energy trying to find the root cause of the problem instead of blaming hte tool used by the offenders, then maybe things could actually improve.
It showed the Federal Gov can do whatever they feel like?
And this ^^ is what it all really boils down to. It's about keeping the peasants in line and not allowing them to threaten the power base of the ruling elite. Remember, "gun control" has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
stevelkinevil
05-27-2012, 15:51
We all know this, but the anti's don't care to use facts to make their case, they prefer to use emotion. If they spent their time and energy trying to find the root cause of the problem instead of blaming hte tool used by the offenders, then maybe things could actually improve.
And this ^^ is what it all really boils down to. It's about keeping the peasants in line and not allowing them to threaten the power base of the ruling elite. Remember, "gun control" has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
well said.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 16:12
We all know this, but the anti's don't care to use facts to make their case, they prefer to use emotion. If they spent their time and energy trying to find the root cause of the problem instead of blaming hte tool used by the offenders, then maybe things could actually improve.
And this ^^ is what it all really boils down to. It's about keeping the peasants in line and not allowing them to threaten the power base of the ruling elite. Remember, "gun control" has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
Well put, people don't think it can happen, but I missed out on a pair of Russian AK underfolders for $150 each. Went back in and they were $2,000 each.
If you like thumbhole stocks and 10 round mags then you will be just fine.But like the Gin said its about CONTROL
It worries me a bit though that Romney was the govenor of state with some of the strictest gun laws.
stevelkinevil
05-27-2012, 17:03
It worries me a bit though that Romney was the govenor of state with some of the strictest gun laws.
Mittens has no qualms about instituting stricter "common sense" gun laws. Just look into his record.
Mittens has no qualms about instituting stricter "common sense" gun laws. Just look into his record.
Neither option in November is 2A-friendly.
sabot_round
05-27-2012, 17:34
Mittens has no qualms about instituting stricter "common sense" gun laws. Just look into his record.
Does this mean that we are screwed?? [Coffee]
I think Montana and Wyoming will be the most likely to stand up to an AWB.
BPTactical
05-27-2012, 18:47
Neither option in November is 2A-friendly.
Quite true, but we know that he who sits in the chair now is not America friendly...........
Don't get me wrong, I fully anticipate some type of anti 2nd amendment legislation in the near future. The "need" for it is my question. Yes, feel good legislation gets votes. Just look at any of the crime dramas on TV and you will see that every criminal has an automatic assault rifle. This round will probably not have a sunset and be more ridiculous.
Screw the NRA, too many times they have made comprimises with the anti-gun groups in Washington and that doesn't fly with me. I don't want my "RIGHTS" turned into bullshit comprimises.
True, NRA is a bunch of bullshit lobbyist lawyers, but some times the best option is to fight fire with fire. They can get stuff done, and even their compromises are very effective at blocking other long-term anti 2A movements.
We all know this, but the anti's don't care to use facts to make their case, they prefer to use emotion. If they spent their time and energy trying to find the root cause of the problem instead of blaming hte tool used by the offenders, then maybe things could actually improve.
And this ^^ is what it all really boils down to. It's about keeping the peasants in line and not allowing them to threaten the power base of the ruling elite. Remember, "gun control" has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
Spot on. America has deteriorated to a level where personal accountability and respect for each other is non existent. When we reach this level nobody trusts one another and divided we fall. The current regime is just another separatist puppet in a long line of professional politicians that could give a crap less about this country or the lives or desires of their constituent population. Divide the masses, take away their defenses, suppress and conquer.
DD977GM2
05-27-2012, 19:43
Screw the NRA, too many times they have made comprimises with the anti-gun groups in Washington and that doesn't fly with me. I don't want my "RIGHTS" turned into bullshit comprimises.
This is why the NRA will never see any of my $$$. They represent the FUDD
hunters and trap shooters and New England shooters. Not those of
free states like those o this wonderful boarnd.
I was sending money to that tool Dudley until he basically called us all on here
a bunch of douches. So he can pund sand for all I care. So basically other then sending
letters and campaigning for the candidate I feel will reserve our right, Im up a creek without
a paddle when it comes time for another AWB
DD977GM2
05-27-2012, 19:49
Neither option in November is 2A-friendly.
We are truely screwed regardless of whoever gets elected. :(
One of my favorite Benjamin Franklin quotes:
"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
-In the Continental Congress just before signing
the Declaration of Independence, 1776
Well....
Romney instituted a gun ban in his state, and Obama expanded gun owners' rights during his first term in office.
Great-Kazoo
05-27-2012, 20:10
Well....
Romney instituted a gun ban in his state, and Obama expanded gun owners' rights during his first term in office.
According to media and the 1 bill passed to carry in national parks.
If you and others here might believe O is less anti than romney, i would suggest you stop smoking whatever it is you smoke to enjoy ponies.
Yeah, he made it so we can carry in national parks. And Romney instituted an AWB. So far Obama has been more gun friendly than Romney.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 20:54
It doesn't really matter who gets elected, we are in for a fight(or lay down again)
It doesn't really matter who gets elected, we are in for a fight(or lay down again)
The last time gun owners "laid down" for it, the internet hardly existed in the form it does today. Details about things, especially bills before Congress, are relayed across the planet and around the globe in mere minutes. And it provides for a place to quickly rally the populace against a bad law, putting the pressure on Congress to knock it down.
Seriously, the President is nowhere near as important to the people of the country as the media makes him seem. Congress is the ones that present and vote on potential laws. They are the ones that need to be watched, the ones that need to be kept in check.
The President is a figurehead that can at most urge Congress to do something, but has no law making power.
Yeah, he made it so we can carry in national parks. And Romney instituted an AWB. So far Obama has been more gun friendly than Romney.
I'll bring it up again-obama is responsible for Fast and Furious. F&F is one of the most illegal and antigun actions by any president.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 21:07
Also with EO's, we are 1 shooting away from trouble.Good point about the internet.
I'll bring it up again-obama is responsible for Fast and Furious. F&F is one of the most illegal and antigun actions by any president.
Operation Gunwalker started in 2006, under Bush's administration.
Operation Gunwalker started in 2006, under Bush's administration.
And ended after one attempt. The first attempt to track a suspicious sale didn't work because the Mexican government didn't do their part and follow the gunrunners. The ATF ended the operation then. A couple years later obama administration started their own program of gunrunning and made no effort to follow the guns.
brokenscout
05-27-2012, 22:37
Why aren't we tracking the full auto guns we give to Mexico and the Police/Military sell them to the Cartels?Operation Dumbass
Great-Kazoo
05-27-2012, 23:09
Why aren't we tracking the full auto guns we give to Mexico and the Police/Military sell them to the Cartels?Operation Dumbass
Because most of those were purchased from international weapons dealers. Cartel, military, open season on LE,s Judges and media that thinks about opposing them. Get it out of your head the US supplied the cartels with automatic weapons. better yet if the media would realize F&F failed and large purchases of any firearm is not from straw purchases but cash & carry ops within mexico.
Jefe's AR
05-28-2012, 00:27
Gun sales are at all time highs and climbing. One would assume that means a higher % of the voting public is purchasing guns. That creates a lot of pressure from constituents. It also removes many of the stigmas associated with guns that has been used as propaganda in the past. It also means bigger profits for gun manufacturers and all associated business'. This translates into greater lobbying power for 2A supporters. The climate doesn't seem right for an AWB.
Gun sales are at all time highs and climbing. One would assume that means a higher % of the voting public is purchasing guns. That creates a lot of pressure from constituents. It also removes many of the stigmas associated with guns that has been used as propaganda in the past. It also means bigger profits for gun manufacturers and all associated business'. This translates into greater lobbying power for 2A supporters. The climate doesn't seem right for an AWB.
I'm going to agree with this. There are more gun owners in America than at any time in the past century.
BPTactical
05-28-2012, 06:02
And at what point in time did you get the illusion that the Politicos actually consider what the constituents do or think?
The current administration has an agenda and the citizens mean nothing.
Great-Kazoo
05-28-2012, 08:15
I'm going to agree with this. There are more gun owners in America than at any time in the past century.
A few reasons there are more guns
1) Most of then guns were purchased by people who were too young, or as i see here not born yet, for ownership of them pre 94
2) More people have become of age to own handguns, get their CCW, nationwide. Thanks in part to more states issuing them.
3) Age again up to O's getting elected and panic buying right after.
4) The buyers who were unprepared when the AWB was passed in 94 and paid obscene prices on guns & magazines.
5) Hoarders who don't want to pay high prices (again) and have gone on buying sprees.
6) The i want something off radar so the .gov doesn't know i have guns. EVEN though they have a hunter safety card, CCW etc.
I think a second AWB is in the future.
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