ATF to ban certain shotguns???

[MountainMax74]

Well, this could get interesting...
Looks like our friends at the BATFE could be looking into banning "military style" shotguns. But, they are taking opinions from the public! Yeah, right...

Read more here: http://www.ijreview.com/2012/05/6611-atf-to-ban-military-style-shotguns-but-taking-public-comments/

[BigBear]

I'd probably get a visit if I gave them my opinion...

[bobbyfairbanks]

Oh my god the Saiga shotguns..... What are we going to do?


This is the same crap as last year. I think people start this crap up just to sell more guns.

[aahorn]

surprised they didn't title them 'high capacity' shotguns

[brokenscout]

Oh my god the Saiga shotguns..... What are we going to do?


This is the same crap as last year. I think people start this crap up just to sell more guns.
Yep.Don't see them going after just "Assault" shotguns.

[Great-Kazoo]

Unless you receive an e-mail from Dudley, it's not true:0

[brokenscout]

Unless you receive an e-mail from Dudley, it's not true:0
I was thinking the same thing:)

[Great-Kazoo]

I was thinking the same thing:)


The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!.

[Jumpstart]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.

[brokenscout]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!.
Its like watching a ADT commercial, followed by being panhandled:)

[aahorn]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.

you forgot that they also give away weapons to drug cartels. this is there main purpose now

[lifeon2]

Yep the last "oh noez there go all of the shotgunzzz!!!!" is still a little fresh for it to be drug out into the light again.

[airborneranger]

Silly Saigas

[Sharpienads]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.

Technically true, but since when has lack of power/authority ever stopped the US government?

[xring]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.

What they did with the USAS 12 and the street sweeper was to declare them destructive devices. Im not sure but I think their authority to do so stems from the 68 GCA and that it is over .50 bore diameter. Destructive device means paperwork and tax stamp. Many thought the development of drums for the saiga would lead to a similar fate for the saiga. It will be interesting if they declare the saiga a DD, their are a LOT more of them out there than the previous two. If they are indeed moving in this direction, its interesting that they sat on it all this time, and are moving now before the election.

[battle_sight_zero]

Would we have to stamp them if we already own them , or would we be grandfathered in?

Quite frankly I have not heard of too many bad guys out there using Sagia shotguns to commit crimes so what is the motivation? I LOVE my Sagias, but my 930 Spx is just as bass$$ and would be more mobile and efficient to be used in crime. Seems to me its the 1994 look at we can do ban talk all over. Man the 20 round drum is evil, man that flash suppressor is evil, hollow point bullets are evil blah blah.

[xring]

Would we have to stamp them if we already own them , or would we be grandfathered in?



Thats the million dollar(hypothetical) question.Every firearm that has been declared DD in the past has not been grandfathered. On the other hand with as many saigas out there as their are not grandfathering presents a paperwork and enforcement nightmare. My completely wild ass hypothetical guess- not grandfathered in.

[Inconel710]

The best part is the lack of reading comprehension by so many people. The key word is "importability" - Can we IMPORT these shotguns from outside the U.S.? Won't affect Mossberg, Remington, FNH USA, or any shotgun manufactured here.

Dudley and all the commenters skipped that word and read it as a total ban on "tactical" shotguns. Old news - NRA has been fighting this battle for a while (or at least telling me in my magazine that they're fighting it).

[Circuits]

ATF has the administrative authority to determine what is and is not importable when it comes to firearms. They also have the authority to determine whether or not a firearm with a bore over .500" meets the NFA destructive device exemption criteria for a sporting shotgun.

ATF can and has ruled some shotguns, even those domestically-made, to be destructive devices - such as the USAS-12 and Streetsweeper about ten years ago.

The procedure ATF is supposed to follow is to allow existing owners to register them free of charge, and without the need for a LEO signoff, for some period. In the case of the streetsweepers, owners had a year to register them, and after that if not registered they become contraband. New purchases have to go through a Form 4, get a $200 stamp, and if an individual, get LEO signoff.

If you happen to live somewhere that doesn't allow destructive devices, however, ATF will not accept your registration, and you'll need to get rid of the thing to a friendlier state or something.

[SideShow Bob]

I gots one of dem siga assalt shottys dats I can sales to you fer $999 and its all factury origenel.

[BPTactical]

I gots one of dem siga assalt shottys dats I can sales to you fer $999 and its all factury origenel.

Ye shall beith banished to thine "Armslist Dungeon"............

[fitz19d]

Maybe not saiga's but instead they are scared of these newer albeit rare shotties. The 15 round space shot gun or KSG. The 16 round rotary magazine semi auto SRM 1216? The currently small mag but some potential UTS12 ar15 lookalike 12g?

[Ridge]

Oh my god the Saiga shotguns..... What are we going to do?


This is the same crap as last year. I think people start this crap up just to sell more guns.

This is the exact same crap as last year. The "recent" article they mention is from April 2011.

The ATF decided to take no action on it after overwhelming public opinion in support of shotgun ownership.

[DavieD55]

If they can do this; they can do whatever they want.

[stevelkinevil]

If they can do this; they can do whatever they want.

where have you been, than CAN and DO.

[DavieD55]

where have you been, than CAN and DO.

Whatcha trying to say stevel?

[stevelkinevil]

Whatcha trying to say stevel?

That for all intents and purposes ATF does what they want, they create and enforce vague policies without regard to constitutional or legislative concerns, and have been doing so for as long as there has been an ATF.

[lpgasman]

Unless you receive an e-mail from Dudley, it's not true:0

An email, or 1000 emails? Also when you get them we suggest a donation of 300.00-200.00-100.00-30.00.

[Fmedges]

what the hell is a "Military" style shotgun? A Remington 870?

[lpgasman]

what the hell is a "Military" style shotgun? A Remington 870?

I guess if your in or have been in the Military, and have shot a shotgun, that shotgun is a "Military"shotgun?

[45XD]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.
There's a lot of people out there who "can't" do something that all of a sudden seem to have an awful lot of authority.
I agree that we've heard this song/dance before, but I also believe that it's only a matter of time before they attempt to take a bite out of something really big- if nothing else only to see what kind of a fight they encounter...

[Fmedges]

I guess if your in or have been in the Military, and have shot a shotgun, that shotgun is a "Military"shotgun?

haha

[Jer]

I don't see how the ATF can "ban" anything. The don't/can't make legislation, they simply enforce it.

If people spread shit like this as if it were already a done deal enough times...