Ever wanna kick people's ........butts

[Tinelement]

So I'm leaving the gas station today, and some people had parked next to me when I was the station.

I get in the truck, look down and study the people in the car next to me.

Looks like older mom and dad in the front seat and maybe a daughter in the back with her two (2) infants in car seats.

Dad in the driver seat is puffing on a cig eating a bag of Cheetos, mom is in the passenger seat puffing on a cig, daughter is in the back seat eating nachos, which are sitting on the infants lap, puffing cig.

All the widows rolled up. 2 infants in the back seat.

Filthy motherf$$kers.

If you smoke you smoke, I chew, but not around my kiddos.

I wanted to drag all 3 of um outta car.......

Grrrrrrrrr.

[BlasterBob]

I for one, can totally agree with you. What the hell are they thinking -- actually they are just NOT thinking about anyone but themselves. Hell, even dumb animals don't smoke in the company of their young ones.[Beer]

[SideShow Bob]

It's a free country,so far, until there is a law passed about this, and time is short,
Mind your own business an you won't be minding mine ! :)

[Great-Kazoo]

Until mandatory sterilization is in effect, reproduction is a crap shoot..

[Veritas]

I saw this quote on the internets the other day:

"Common sense is becoming so rare it should be declared a super power."

[Sharpienads]

When I see parents driving that don't have their kids buckled up... that really grinds my gears. Good parenting. [Mad]

[RCCrawler]

I personally think we should remove ALL safety warnings from everything and let Darwin get to work.

[Sharpienads]

I personally think we should remove ALL safety warnings from everything and let Darwin get to work.

I like this idea. Do I really need a warning on my lawnmower to tell me not to put my hand in the path of the blade?

[JohnTRourke]

When I see parents driving that don't have their kids buckled up... that really grinds my gears. Good parenting. [Mad]

wow
holy shit, how could any of us older than 30 or so survived??????

thinking like this is what gets you a police state.

MYOB

[Sharpienads]

wow
holy shit, how could any of us older than 30 or so survived??????

thinking like this is what gets you a police state.

MYOB

Really? My personal opinion leads to a police state? I didn't realize that my opinion had such an effect on society.

[AirbornePathogen]

Agree totally. My roommate and I are both smokers. He has a 3-year-old son, and we don't smoke in the house, or when he's around. I smoke in my Jeep too, but I don't on those rare occasions when my niece is riding with me.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Nay Sayers - what about protecting people who cannot speak for themselves, such as children who know no better?

[SideShow Bob]

Do as you all please with you and yours and leave it at that.
DO NOT TRY TO FORCE YOUR BELIEFS upon me or mine and we will get along great.
If you know so much that you know what is best for me and mine, keep it to yourself or go join the OWS crowd down at City Center Park.......

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Sure a person can destroy their own lungs, I personally don't give a shit. But I do care about that infant.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Health is not a belief by the way.

[SideShow Bob]

Then go pass a law banning smoking and everything else YOU think is unhealthy, otherwise STFU.

[Tinelement]

Do as you all please with you and yours and leave it at that.
DO NOT TRY TO FORCE YOUR BELIEFS upon me or mine and we will get along great.
If you know so much that you know what is best for me and mine, keep it to yourself or go join the OWS crowd down at City Center Park.......


Then go pass a law banning smoking and everything else YOU think is unhealthy, otherwise STFU.

Wow!

So you think hot boxing some little infant kids is all high and mighty!?

Dick

[Sharpienads]

Not sure why some of you guys are so hostile. If you can't hear an opposing opinion maybe you should go join OWS.

[lpgasman]

Not sure why some of you guys are so hostile. If you can't hear an opposing opinion maybe you should go join OWS.

+1 or we could just ban opinions.

[ray1970]

Do I really need a warning on my lawnmower to tell me not to put my hand in the path of the blade?

You might not need this warning but obviously somebody does or it wouldn't be there. [Beer]

[SideShow Bob]

Wow!

So you think hot boxing some little infant kids is all high and mighty!?

Dick

Though I have NEVER smoked while my children were in my vehicles,
Just who the heck are you to dictate what others should do ?
Who appointed you CZAR of child raising ?

[Tinelement]

I'm not trying to be hostile.

I used to smoke, I'm a heavy chewer and I drink like a fish.

I would just never force my kids into it. Ie, sit in the car and drink a case of beer and then drive with them. It's the same shit.

Let's keep our kids safe till it is their decision to make those choices.

[ray1970]

I would just never force my kids into it. Ie, sit in the car and drink a case of beer and then drive with them. It's the same shit.


Technically, it's not the same.

DUI is a crime.

Smoking in a car with children is a stupid thing to do (in my opinion) but it isn't a crime.

Just saying.[Coffee]

[Sharpienads]

I'm not trying to be hostile.

I used to smoke, I'm a heavy chewer and I drink like a fish.

I would just never force my kids into it. Ie, sit in the car and drink a case of beer and then drive with them. It's the same shit.

Let's keep our kids safe till it is their decision to make those choices.

I wasn't referring to you, and agree 100%.

[Tinelement]

Though I have NEVER smoked while my children were in my vehicles,
Just who the heck are you to dictate what others should do ?
Who appointed you CZAR of child raising ?

No one. I guess it's just like gun safety. Don't do stupid shit, especially with your kids

Gonna edit this.:

So it's ok for me to take a drag from my Malboro Light in a flip top box and blow it in my kids face, but I'd go to jail if everytime I took a pinch I put a little Copenhagen in my sons mouth!???

Same shit, don't be stupid. Rights or not, don't be stupid.

[hollohas]

I agree with Tin. Hot boxing babies in a car with three people smoking is a f'd up thing to do. Just because it's their choice to raise their kids the way they want doesn't mean making babies smoke is OK. And let's be real, that's exactly what those people were doing...forcing those babies to smoke.

Some messed up people in this world...

[tmleadr03]

This thread is going to be better then the 68K thread.

[TheBelly]

Both of my parents smoked like chimneys when I was growing up. I don't smoke, and I never will.

[SideShow Bob]

Both of my parents smoked like chimneys when I was growing up. I don't smoke, and I never will.

Exactly, and you didn't have someone that thought they knew what was in your best interest sticking their noses in your parents business either.

I hope that the OP decides to act on his statement of "wanting to kick someone's ..........butt" because they were doing something he didn't agree with and we'll see if he doesn't get more than his opinion handed to him in his hat....[Tooth]

[SideShow Bob]

Still waiting for the obligatory popcorn smiley or "in before the lock" post..........[LOL]

[tmleadr03]

Still waiting for the obligatory popcorn smiley or "in before the lock" post..........[LOL]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-09-Psych.gif

[hollohas]

Exactly, and you didn't have someone that thought they knew what was in your best interest sticking their noses in your parents business either.

I hope that the OP decides to act on his statement of "wanting to kick someone's ..........butt" because they were doing something he didn't agree with and we'll see if he doesn't get more than his opinion handed to him in his hat....[Tooth]

Take it easy Bob. No one is getting into your business.

[Irving]

What a bunch of assholes.

[SideShow Bob]

Take it easy Bob. No one is getting into your business.

What ? Everyone else allowed to have an opinion as long as it conforms ? But I am not allowed to have one that differs ?

[Tinelement]

I hope that the OP decides to act on his statement of "wanting to kick someone's ..........butt" because they were doing something he didn't agree with and we'll see if he doesn't get more than his opinion handed to him in his hat....[Tooth]

See we are headed there now. You seem to be the only one having a major malfunction over this.

[tmleadr03]

What ? Everyone else allowed to have an opinion as long as it conforms ? But I am not allowed to have one that differs ?

This is an echo chamber.


ECHO

Echo

echo

[hollohas]

What ? Everyone else allowed to have an opinion as long as it conforms ? But I am not allowed to have one that differs ?

I respect your opinion buddy, just thought the way you delivered it was a bit out of line. Nothing personal.

[Irving]

What ? Everyone else allowed to have an opinion as long as it conforms ? But I am not allowed to have one that differs ?

If you want to have the opinion that hurting kids is okay to do, I guess that's okay.

[tmleadr03]

If you want to have the opinion that hurting kids is okay to do, I guess that's okay.

Not quite the opinion he was professing.

[SideShow Bob]

I meant nothing personal to anyone here either.
Guess the high school techers were right when they kicked me out of The Debate Club due to the opinion that I delivered my arguments too hostily, and I frightened the other Debate teams.

[Sharpienads]

What ? Everyone else allowed to have an opinion as long as it conforms ? But I am not allowed to have one that differs ?

Kinda funny coming from the guy who told another member to "STFU".

You're not a victim here. Don't try to play that card.

[Irving]

Not quite the opinion he was professing.

"Mind your own business, no matter what."

Is the message that I received.

[lpgasman]

I meant nothing personal to anyone here either.
Guess the high school techers were right when they kicked me out of The Debate Club due to the opinion that I delivered my arguments too hostily, and I frightened the other Debate teams.

[ROFL2] you'll learn someday.

[BushMasterBoy]

I could see a court ruling in favor of defining this type of behavior as child abuse. Especially if a oximeter showed a lowered level of oxygen in the childs blood.

http://www.legalace.com/articles/smartdivorce/articles/smoking.shtml


Environmental Tobacco Smoke:

http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1614&context=mulr&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt %26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dlegal%2520case%2520of%2520smoking %2520constituting%2520child%2520abuse%26source%3Dw eb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CFgQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%25 2F%252Fscholarship.law.marquette.edu%252Fcgi%252Fv iewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1614%2526context%25 3Dmulr%26ei%3DnH_FT4yWMYOo8AThrOGsBg%26usg%3DAFQjC NH5NAb0HxVmhuUFlhJy2kXwh3pZMA#search=%22legal%20ca se%20smoking%20constituting%20child%20abuse%22

[TheBelly]

People can do what they want, as long as it's allowed by law. I'm not a police officer, so it's not my responsibility to go after the folks that break the law.

Get me involved, and it'll be my problem. If you try to smoke in my car, I won't even slow down to let you get out.

You learn more about people by watching how they treat someone who can do nothing for them., especially children and animals.

[Tinelement]

I knew this thread would get some debate! Great!

So, as I op'ed, this really ticked me off. I get everyone's right to do what they want and raise kids how they want, but this one was outta line.

It don't bother me (as bad) when you see a parent smoking in the car with the windows down, kid is older and maybe understands it.

But when there is 3 adults hot boxing 2 infants, car seats were facing rearward, most can agree that this is crossing a line.

Just wanted to reiterate. Carry on!!!

[Sharpienads]

This thread is going to be better then the 68K thread.

What was the 68K thread? Not trying to start a new discussion, since it sounds like that one probably got closed. Just curious.

[SideShow Bob]

[QUOTE=BushMasterBoy;480780]I could see a court ruling in favor of defining this type of behavior as child abuse.

This is what I am arguing against, more government in our lives due to someone thinking that they know what is best for everyone so they get more STUPID laws on the books to further regulate our lives. !

[tmleadr03]

What was the 68K thread? Not trying to start a new discussion, since it sounds like that one probably got closed. Just curious.
http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=52151

[45XD]

It's a free country,so far, until there is a law passed about this, and time is short,
Mind your own business an you won't be minding mine ! :)
Going to have to agree with SideShow Bob on this one...
It's a pretty slippery slope to state that this "next law" is to protect the innocent, or the young, or the whatever... Half the stupid things we have to put up with now are a result of someone trying to "help out" someone who "can't help themselves."
There's no law on this now- and as much as I'd like it to be so, it's not illegal to be dumb or to do stupid things- so it is what it is.
In my business, incidentally, we call that "poor protoplasm." And it surely is

[BushMasterBoy]

I am saying there doesn't necessarily have to be a "law" about second hand smoke. I am saying the court could rule that secondhand smoke in an enclosed space is child abuse! I used to smoke and now personally I find smoking to be disgusting, plus it makes me want to vomit.
I am all for the .gov staying out of our lives and being less intrusive, but smoking in a car and depriving babies of oxygen? Are you serious? Not protecting little babies is stupid?





This is what I am arguing against, more government in our lives due to someone thinking that they know what is best for everyone so they get more STUPID laws on the books to further regulate our lives. !

[tmleadr03]

I am saying there doesn't necessarily have to be a "law" about second hand smoke. I am saying the court could rule that secondhand smoke in an enclosed space is child abuse! I used to smoke and now personally I find smoking to be disgusting, plus it makes me want to vomit.
I am all for the .gov staying out of our lives and being less intrusive, but smoking in a car and depriving babies of oxygen? Are you serious? Not protecting little babies is stupid?

Can you find the death statistics on second hand smoke for me? K thanks.

[lpgasman]

Can you find the death statistics on second hand smoke for me? K thanks.

What about back hand smoke.

[SideShow Bob]

I am saying there doesn't necessarily have to be a "law" about second hand smoke. I am saying the court could rule that secondhand smoke in an enclosed space is child abuse! I used to smoke and now personally I find smoking to be disgusting, plus it makes me want to vomit.
I am all for the .gov staying out of our lives and being less intrusive, but smoking in a car and depriving babies of oxygen? Are you serious? Not protecting little babies is stupid?

And when you get a court ruling, it sets a precedence. Then after that a law being passed is soon to follow.

[Fentonite]

I think it's mostly a matter of ignorance. Most folks (myself included) will buck when we think we're being bullied, oppressed, or otherwise unjustly controlled. The knee-jerk response is often to do exactly what is being "forbidden", simply on the principle of independence ("Don't Tread on Me").

Lots of smokers actually don't realize that their 2nd-hand smoke is truly harmful to their children, and will resist unsolicited advice as a perceived infringement on their liberty. But when they learn (and believe) that they are actually harming their children with their 2nd-hand smoke, they will often choose to protect their child (a parent's job), instead of knowingly harm them simply to make a point about their "freedom".

Children exposed to second-hand smoke have a higher incidence of ear infections, bronchitis, lifelong asthma and environmental allergies. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. I don't believe that most smokers believe they are harming their children with their smoke; they are simply ignorant. Once this ignorance is overcome, they can make the right choice for the welfare of their offspring. Unfortunately, sometimes their resistance to becoming educated is at the detriment of their children.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

My opinion still stands. It is in the best interest of the child if they are not subjected to that stuff. I'm not saying put a bible in all the children's hands, just protect their health. Oh is this where is type angrily at SSB and say I disagree with you and don't like your opinion so STFU? Cause I'm not 100% sure how this all works.

[quondom fremd]

I have to say I agree with sideshow, parents should be able to do whatever they deem is best for their child, whether it be hotboxing or incest [/Sarcasm]

[Ah Pook]

Growing up both my parents smoked. They smoked in the house. They smoked in the car. They smoked in restaurants. All in front of us kids. There was no going outside to smoke. The grandparents and other kid's parents were the same way. I remember walking into the living room and seeing clouds of smoke hanging in the air.

My how times have changed.

Not sure I'm for more guberment intervention into peoples private lives. To say smoking in front of kids or causing them to inhale second hand smoke is child abuse dilutes real child abuse. Yes, I am well aware that cigs are bag for you.

For the record, I never smoked (dipped snuff for a while). Can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke or people reeking of cigarettes.

[Great-Kazoo]

My opinion still stands. It is in the best interest of the child if they are not subjected to that stuff. I'm not saying put a bible in all the children's hands, just protect their health. Oh is this where is type angrily at SSB and say I disagree with you and don't like your opinion so STFU? Cause I'm not 100% sure how this all works.


But when there is 3 adults hot boxing 2 infants, car seats were facing rearward, most can agree that this is crossing a line.


While i agree about idiots not having windows open with kids in the car, Lets change it up and insert
GUNS.

You Know what really pisses me off?? I was driving today and at the light the Truck next to me had not 1 but 3, YES THREE, DEAD DEER in the back. KNOW WHAT'S WORSE?????? There were guns, yes GUNS too. THEN GUESS WHAT, of all the ungodly things (insert weeping smiley face) THEY HAD Childern with them. OMG Children. Its bad enough they killed helpless beautiful animals, WITH GUNS, They had children, my god children exposed to this kind of environment. WE NEED the police or someone to go after this kind of recklessness. If Children are raised to believe killing animals AND guns are an acceptable lifestyle......What will they grow up to be, murders, oh the inhumanity.


SOUNDS STUPID??? Of course it does, unfortunately that is how someone who doesn't agree with your lifestyle feels.

I don't smoke and believe those who subject their kids to it are not the best, but hey their way of life.

[Irving]

SideshowBob has a valid point about the government, but no one is talking about the government. We're talking about looking down on people who make poor decisions. A car full of smoke won't kill those kids, but neither will molesting them. I guess since they don't end up dead, it's all okay.

I have no problem judging a person who smokes with the windows up around babies.

[BushMasterBoy]

Can you find the death statistics on second hand smoke for me? K thanks.


http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/

But wait this is a government statistic page, can't trust the government. They are trying to take away our right to subject our children to second hand smoke.

[Bang]

/sarcasm.

[Ed_S]

Never quite understood smoking, it stinks, your stink from it and it kills you. Hell it even tells you the latter on the box!
People should show some common sense and not smoke in an enclossed space with their kids. But there again the fact that they are smoking in the first place shows a lack of common sense?

[GilpinGuy]

I'm just one guy, but when I was growing up my dad smoked everywhere - car, house, etc. I was always around smoke. I hated it. Of course back then it was acceptable since so many smoked.

When I got out of college I got a job dealing with hazardous materials and had to get a super thorough physical, including a lung test, every year. It tested lung capacity and stuff.

I was ALWAYS way above average. I just don't buy into the second hand smoke kills deal.

It still isn't cool to smoke around kids like that though. It certainly can't be good, only bad. Douches...

[Irving]

I was ALWAYS way above average. I just don't buy into the second hand smoke kills deal.



I HATE when people make second hand smoke out to dangerous like radiation or something. It is completely ridiculous and untrue. Smoking in an enclosed vehicle though, is much closer to just having the baby smoke. In an enclosed space, the smoke can't get away and it builds up.

One time on NPR, they played a clip of some guy who said something along the lines of the following....

"We've found that second hand smoke is actually MORE DANGEROUS than first hand smoke, because when people smoke, they only absorb around 5% of the smoke. That means the people around the smoker are actually breathing in 95% of the smoke!"

I nearly had a stroke from hearing so much stupid crammed into one sentence.

[DD977GM2]

It's a free country,so far, until there is a law passed about this, and time is short,
Mind your own business an you won't be minding mine ! :)

As much as I disagree with smoking around your kids, SideShow Bob hit the nail on the head.

MYOB as long as it isnt affecting you or your family. Soon enough there will be
laws against this and bans to follow. [Bang]

[JohnTRourke]

Going to have to agree with SideShow Bob on this one...
It's a pretty slippery slope to state that this "next law" is to protect the innocent, or the young, or the whatever... Half the stupid things we have to put up with now are a result of someone trying to "help out" someone who "can't help themselves."
There's no law on this now- and as much as I'd like it to be so, it's not illegal to be dumb or to do stupid things- so it is what it is.
In my business, incidentally, we call that "poor protoplasm." And it surely is


exactly this
Your good idea isn't worth my freedom.

and it's pretty damn sad that 90% of a GUN BOARD in fucking relatively free Colorado thinks it's all well and good to have armed officers of the state enforce their good idea.

doomed

[lpgasman]

But when there is 3 adults hot boxing 2 infants, car seats were facing rearward, most can agree that this is crossing a line.


While i agree about idiots not having windows open with kids in the car, Lets change it up and insert
GUNS.

You Know what really pisses me off?? I was driving today and at the light the Truck next to me had not 1 but 3, YES THREE, DEAD DEER in the back. KNOW WHAT'S WORSE?????? There were guns, yes GUNS too. THEN GUESS WHAT, of all the ungodly things (insert weeping smiley face) THEY HAD Childern with them. OMG Children. Its bad enough they killed helpless beautiful animals, WITH GUNS, They had children, my god children exposed to this kind of environment. WE NEED the police or someone to go after this kind of recklessness. If Children are raised to believe killing animals AND guns are an acceptable lifestyle......What will they grow up to be, murders, oh the inhumanity.


SOUNDS STUPID??? Of course it does, unfortunately that is how someone who doesn't agree with your lifestyle feels.

I don't smoke and believe those who subject their kids to it are not the best, but hey their way of life.
This is it exactly, somewhere sometime somebody isn't going to agree with the way you live your life. And want to ban or regulate the things you hold dear, and then what? If they get enough people to agree with them, or people in power to agree, then what ever you love could be taken away from you.

[RMD]

I feel sorry for those kids.

[tmleadr03]

I feel sorry for those kids.

As do I. But not my business. It is a slippery slope. If we come down on this, next is salt, or soda... oh wait.

[aahorn]

i agree with the OP. Yes its not against the law, and should not be. BUT people now-a-days need to learn some personal responsibility for their actions...

everyone knows you shouldn't be smoking with babies in the car, so stop being lazy and get out of the car. as the adult and more importantly the parent/grandparent/ect get your ass away from your offspring when you smoke. i dont think its much to ask adults to act and think like adults

[BlasterBob]

Tax each pack about $10 and we'll see where the smokers priorities really are.
[Coffee]

[aahorn]

Tax each pack about $10 and we'll see where the smokers priorities really are.
[Coffee]

why? people should be able to smoke affordabily.

not sure about you but i hate how anti gun people are taxing our bullets to make me decide where my priorities are.

gooberment isnt the answer. personal reponsibility is

[tmleadr03]

Tax each pack about $10 and we'll see where the smokers priorities really are.
[Coffee]

Good idea, we should also tax salt like that since that isn't good for you either.
And anything with high fructose corn syrup. I hear alcohol is bad for you so lets tax the piss out of that, then we wont have so many alcoholics.

Now what really takes a toll on human lives in the US is car accidents, we should raise taxes on gas and diesel by 300%. This will keep people from driving as much and decrease the death toll.

I like the way this is going!

[RMD]

As do I. But not my business. It is a slippery slope. If we come down on this, next is salt, or soda... oh wait.

Agree - no need for more nannyism from our well-meaning overlords. Can't legislate stupid into extinction.

[Musashi]

Education, that will solve quite a few of these problems. Ignorance is no excuse for being stupid.

[tmleadr03]

Education, that will solve quite a few of these problems. Ignorance is no excuse for being stupid.

Ignorance is fixable, stupid isn't.

[Irving]

No one is talking about making laws here!

[Sharpienads]

No one is talking about making laws here!

Just about to post this. The OP said he wanted to kick the nasty parent's butts. I don't see what that has to do with new laws, police states, court precedence, etc.

[Cameron]

Reading this thread makes me want to kick some peoples asses...

Cameron

[Sharpienads]

Reading this thread makes me want to kick some peoples asses...

Cameron

Go on...

[alxone]

while it may be kinda messed up that they were smoking with the windows up . it is a free country and getting upset that someone is doing something in there own car or home is kinda sh*ty . handle your own and leave the rest alone

[Tinelement]

I agree with many comments here.

I only posted this as it personally bothers me to see little kiddos being hot boxed in a car. I pretty sure we can all at least agree that there are health issues associated with smoking.

I agree that your life is life and your business. I would never vote for more laws and regulations. We already have enough crap regulating us.

Let's just take care of our next generation.! We need to make sure of our health for when the SHTF!! [Beer]

[alxone]

Let's just take care of our next generation.! We need to make sure of our health for when the SHTF!! [Beer]agreed [Beer]

[UncleDave]

I think we can all agree that hotboxing two infants is a white trash douche move. Having said that, the responsibility rests on the parents of those children. No one else. You may not agree, it may make your blood boil, but mind you own business! If you are fussing and fuming about something that is not your concern, it is a real short step to "WON'T SOMEONE PROTECT THE CHILDREN? IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!" That is how liberties are eroded boys and girls. What if you don't like the religion I raise my children to believe, or the choices in medical treatment I choose for them, or my choices in education? Are you going to know better than me there too? The problem with personal liberty is that you have to let others choose to do things that you don't agree with, that make your blood boil. That is freedom kids.

[Sharpienads]

exactly this
Your good idea isn't worth my freedom.

and it's pretty damn sad that 90% of a GUN BOARD in fucking relatively free Colorado thinks it's all well and good to have armed officers of the state enforce their good idea.

doomed

Who are all these people and what ideas do they want enforced by the state?

[Byte Stryke]

Criminal assault.

So if you saw me pouring Ammonia down a baby's throat in my car, you wouldn't call the cops?

How about Benzine?
Cadmium?
Cyanide?
Insecticide? (DDT,Methoprene)
Arsenic?

http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm


I agree that less Government is better. Less intervention is better. But not at the expense of a child's life. The line comes in at defending those that cannot defend themselves.

OR

Intervention now might prevent the kid from being dependent on social welfare programs all of his/her life because mommy and Daddy gave him Emphysema/Asthma/whatever, now he cannot work and you have to pay for it.


Take your pick.


Just my 2cents

[Ronin13]

Good idea, we should also tax salt like that since that isn't good for you either.
And anything with high fructose corn syrup. I hear alcohol is bad for you so lets tax the piss out of that, then we wont have so many alcoholics.

Now what really takes a toll on human lives in the US is car accidents, we should raise taxes on gas and diesel by 300%. This will keep people from driving as much and decrease the death toll.

I like the way this is going!

THIS! While I would like to say something to the parents, just let them know that what they're doing is wrong (but legal) and I feel that they're not helping their children in anyway. The moment we impose our will on others, be it banning smoking in restaurants and bars, open carry in cities, parking outside your own home during a Broncos game, and selling alcohol on Sundays (old and gone I know) we are slowly but surely undermining that little notion called "freedom." My mother smoked my entire life and recently quit a few months ago- along with me- and it wasn't until I started hanging out with the 'cool kids' in High School that I started smoking. I still look back and think my mom was not doing wrong when she would roll the window down on a road trip with me and my little brother in the car and light up. Now, had she done so without rolling the window down, yes I would think she was just not using good judgement around her children, but I will only voice my thoughts on the issue, not press for a damn law to be passed mitigating the risk of different behavior from the norm. I still remember the days when restaurants had a smoking and non-smoking section, and saving us from ourselves has become one of the biggest annoyances in the world.

Look at it from this side, some people choose to smoke, I did, and you'd have to be severely retarded to not realize that inhaling smoke/chemicals isn't harmful to your health. These same smokers want to enjoy libations in a social atmosphere from time to time, and these times sometimes arise in the dead of winter or during a massive downpour... see where this is going? So the state of Colorado decided to not allow business owners to make the choice whether or not to allow smoking inside their establishment, but instead made that decision for them and (here comes the keywords that make my point) restricted freedom by passing a law that basically saved us from ourselves once more at the cost of liberty. /derail, /rant

[SouthPaw]

Was there a pun intended in the title?

[BlasterBob]

Good idea, we should also tax salt like that since that isn't good for you either.
And anything with high fructose corn syrup.

No, your use of salt and your consuming foods/drinks with high fructose corn syrup is not going to affect ME in the same way as having some ding-a-ling blowing smoke right in my direction. You can sure tell that I am NOT and have never been a smoker. Many years ago, I was confined to a cancer ward where I saw countless numbers of folks suffering from terminal lung cancer. They had been smokers and some were still puffing on their cancer sticks while slowly moving their walkers up and down the hallways just waiting to meet the Grim Reaper. It was their choice but still the tax payers were having to help pay for some of their damn expensive treatments. They had most likely been warned but decided to take up the habit anyway. The smoking discussions will be around for a long time with no end in sight. I have three offspring (now adults) who have never smoked and I believe it was mainly because I had strongly impressed them at a young age to not start the nasty habit.
OK, flame away but please don't use the flame to light one up.

[lpgasman]

Criminal assault.

So if you saw me pouring Ammonia down a baby's throat in my car, you wouldn't call the cops?

How about Benzine?
Cadmium?
Cyanide?
Insecticide? (DDT,Methoprene
Arsenic?

http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm


I agree that less Government is better. Less intervention is better. But not at the expense of a child's life. The line comes in at defending those that cannot defend themselves.

OR

Intervention now might prevent the kid from being dependent on social welfare programs all of his/her life because mommy and Daddy gave him Emphysema/Asthma/whatever, now he cannot work and you have to pay for it.


Take your pick.



Just my 2cents
What law is a police officer gonna enforce when your smoking in your car with your kid?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I think we can all agree that hotboxing two infants is a white trash douche moves.

I am offended by this comment. [ROFL1]. It's not just white folks.

So would you not intervene some how if some dude was beating on his wife? oh wait there's laws against causing bodily harm to someone... 10-4

[RMD]

It's already illegal in 4 states and many more are considering similar legislation.

[Rant1]

[SideShow Bob]

Tax each pack about $10 and we'll see where the smokers priorities really are.
[Coffee]

And yet again, more .gov regularion.
Let's also tax the lead in bullets while we are at. Lead is also dangerous.

[Atrain1]

I get so mad when I see people smoke in their car with kids of any age. I smoked for years and never once did I smoke around my kids. It is not their fault I had a filthy habit. I agree tax the crap out of cigarettes until they are 20 bucks a pack. It should also be illegal to smoke in a car with kids, that is such a low life thing to do.

[tmleadr03]

No, your use of salt and your consuming foods/drinks with high fructose corn syrup is not going to affect ME in the same way as having some ding-a-ling blowing smoke right in my direction. You can sure tell that I am NOT and have never been a smoker. Many years ago, I was confined to a cancer ward where I saw countless numbers of folks suffering from terminal lung cancer. They had been smokers and some were still puffing on their cancer sticks while slowly moving their walkers up and down the hallways just waiting to meet the Grim Reaper. It was their choice but still the tax payers were having to help pay for some of their damn expensive treatments. They had most likely been warned but decided to take up the habit anyway. The smoking discussions will be around for a long time with no end in sight. I have three offspring (now adults) who have never smoked and I believe it was mainly because I had strongly impressed them at a young age to not start the nasty habit.
OK, flame away but please don't use the flame to light one up.

The point was missed. I was trying to say lets regulate other things that are not healthy. By the way both of the things I mentioned have their own ward in a hospital. It is the pulmonary ward. And heart disease causes more death then cancer.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

The point was missed. I was trying to say lets regulate other things that are not healthy. By the way both of the things I mentioned have their own ward in a hospital. It is the pulmonary ward. And heart disease causes more death then cancer.

You realize smoking causes heart disease right?

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/quit-smoking-heart

[Ronin13]

Can we all agree that smoking is bad for your health? Yes? Good! So is living in the city, using a cellular phone, sitting within two feet of a computer, watching TV, using the microwave, driving a car, breathing, taking a shower... everything is potentially a deadly activity. Hell I could die just sitting on my couch watching a hunting show on TV! The point is, and I see both sides of the argument, that while yes, the OP's story shows how terrible parents smoking in the car with infants are, but there should be no laws or other liberty restricting mandates put forth to make anything regulating behavior a legal matter. Once that happens then it might not stop. First we started with texting (this I agree though) but what next? No talking on the phone without a handsfree device like they have in many states already? Then it could spit ball further- no eating, no talking to passengers, no smoking? Remember this is our government we're talking about, they've tested it for years and now they're just like that story: If you give a mouse a cookie.... he's gonna ask for a glass of milk. Don't give them an inch, you know they're going to take a mile!

[tmleadr03]

You realize smoking causes heart disease right?

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/quit-smoking-heart

Again, the point is missed. Salt causes heart disease, as does being over weight from eating and drinking too much high fructose corn syrup. If we are going to tax smoking because of the health risks why should we stop there?

[BlasterBob]

Again, the point is missed. Salt causes heart disease, as does being over weight from eating and drinking too much high fructose corn syrup.

I see that my point was also missed. OK, you can sit close to me in a restaurant (but not TOO close - please) and salt the hell out of your food and guzzle all the soda you want (loaded with that HF corn syrup) but it will NOT be bothering me even a little bit compared to someone's stinking/offensive smoke drifting down in my direction. Yes, some States still allow smoking in eating establishments.
I guess that I am not educated enough to get my point across so that it is worded in a way that is easily understood. Sorry bout dat.[Bang]

[UncleDave]

As Ben Franklin said, your rights end at my nose. You should be able to do as you wish as long as you do not infinge on my rights, which includes how I run my family.

[SuperiorDG]

aEURsGD0-WQ

[tmleadr03]

As Ben Franklin said, your rights end at my nose. You should be able to do as you wish as long as you do not infinge on my rights, which includes how I run my family.

Which is what many in this thread are advocating against. They want freedom as long is it is the freedom they like.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Again, the point is missed. Salt causes heart disease, as does being over weight from eating and drinking too much high fructose corn syrup. If we are going to tax smoking because of the health risks why should we stop there?


Because you drinking soda and eating salted nut rolls doesn't hurt me... You smoking in the same general area as me does... I don't mean me in general.. But others... I for one, don't give a damn.

[tmleadr03]

Because you drinking soda and eating salted nut rolls doesn't hurt me... You smoking in the same general area as me does... I don't mean me in general.. But others... I for one, don't give a damn.

Ah but if we go after smoking because of the health issues what is to stop the rest of the things I mentioned? Nothing.

[Irving]

Can we make a list of the people in thus thread who are advocating legislation? I haven't seen anyone that was not just being facetious.

Why is this so difficult? If the op said, "I hate it wgen people talk during movies." You all know there wouldn't be 5 pages of quotes about freedom and chest pounding about rights. Jesus Homophobic Christ.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Ah but if we go after smoking because of the health issues what is to stop the rest of the things I mentioned? Nothing.


I'd assume because your coice to drink soda and eat salty shit doesn't cause harm to those around you like smoking does. But, secondhand smoke does hurt others... That's what I assume, anyway.

[Sharpienads]

Can we make a list of the people in thus thread who are advocating legislation? I haven't seen anyone that was not just being facetious.

Why is this so difficult? If the op said, "I hate it wgen people talk during movies." You all know there wouldn't be 5 pages of quotes about freedom and chest pounding about rights. Jesus Homophobic Christ.

I'm with you. But apparently my type of thinking leads to a police state. So be careful.

[quondom fremd]

For those of you who think that limiting things that will hurt children is wrong, how do you justify allowing parents to molest their own children?

I'm not talking about smoking outside, I'm talking about hotboxing a kid, I'm not talking about limiting firearm ownership, they can stored safely, and children taught proper firearm safety, I am talking about explicitly harming a child.

[tmleadr03]

For those of you who think that limiting things that will hurt children is wrong, how do you justify allowing parents to molest their own children?

I'm not talking about smoking outside, I'm talking about hotboxing a kid, I'm not talking about limiting firearm ownership, they can stored safely, and children taught proper firearm safety, I am talking about explicitly harming a child.

And I can make the argument that feeding kids fast food is harmful to kids. Should we ban that as well?

[Great-Kazoo]

For those of you who think that limiting things that will hurt children is wrong, how do you justify allowing parents to molest their own children?

I'm not talking about smoking outside, I'm talking about hotboxing a kid, I'm not talking about limiting firearm ownership, they can stored safely, and children taught proper firearm safety, I am talking about explicitly harming a child.


Unfortunately there are those who feel with no firearms the country would be a better place and are doing everything they can to see their "thoughts" become law. The anti's don't care if your gun was stored in a time release vault at the bank, it's still a gun.

Again i despise smoking around children, the mentality that was witnessed by the op shows they do not care as long as they are happy. Like the alcoholic driving the kids, it's about them and no one else.
You can pass all the laws you want to prevent what was witnessed, however it will never work because like guns a certain element will do what ever they want.

I suggest those who feel something should be done to prevent such behavior in the future
1) organize a group of like minded folks
2) Start a petition to be put on the next elections ballot
3) get the required number of signatures and have at it.

REMEMBER................... That same petition will be about guns next, Its already happened once regarding BG checks at gun shows, which a lot of gun owners felt was "reasonable" legislation.
What next??

[PSS]

Again i despise smoking around children


Sounds like you agree with the OP. I think he despises people smoking around kids too. Not cool with all the people getting offended at someone venting about stupid parents who are mistreating their kids.

I guess I missed the part where the OP is starting a petition to pass another law. Hell he didn't even say anything to the assholes.

Using the logic some have displayed here does it mean that some are trying to outlaw looking down on people?

[Sharpienads]

Sounds like you agree with the OP. I think he despises people smoking around kids too. Not cool with all the people getting offended at someone venting about stupid parents who are mistreating their kids.

I guess I missed the part where the OP is starting a petition to pass another law. Hell he didn't even say anything to the assholes.

Using the logic some have displayed here does it mean that some are trying to outlaw looking down on people?

I am impressed with your reading comprehension skills and ability to think critically. Good job!

And I mean that sincerely.

Like you said, OP didn't even say anything to those people. Hell, I'd still agree with him even if he did say something to them like, "Excuse me, what you're doing really isn't healthy for your kids." If they said MYOB, STFU, or who are you to tell me how to raise my kids, fine. At least OP did something, and he did it all without infringing on anybody's rights or establishing a police state.

There's a lot of things that go on that don't directly affect me or mine, but that doesn't mean that you should sit idly by and just let it happen if you see it in progress. The opposition to OP brought up passing laws, and apparently don't ever get upset about anything. Otherwise they would be doing what they say not to.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Remind me to never go to a coar15 fishing derby. I'd hate to fall out and see 50 dudes standing there with their arms crossed saying, "yep he's definetly gonna drown, should prolly help him". Second guy "no no no f*ck no! It's his god given right to drown who are we to infringe on that". First guy "yeah your right that's what grand pappy died for in war protecting. So what kind of spinners did you bring?"

[quondom fremd]

There's a lot of things that go on that don't directly affect me or mine, but that doesn't mean that you should sit idly by and just let it happen if you see it in progress.

This is the point I was trying to get across

[Irving]

And I can make the argument that feeding kids fast food is harmful to kids. Should we ban that as well?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m34kwaXkfD1qbm32po1_100.gif

[sp1tty]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m34kwaXkfD1qbm32po1_100.gif

I have nothing else to add to this thread besides. LMAO.

Btw, agree with OP.

[Sharpienads]

I have nothing else to add to this thread besides. LMAO.

Btw, agree with OP.

You're sure you don't want to try to explain again why somebody might get upset if they saw parents hotboxing their infant? Maybe if you do it then those on the other side might get it.

[lpgasman]

You're sure you don't want to try to explain again why somebody might get upset if they saw parents hotboxing their infant? Maybe if you do it then those on the other side might get it.

The other side of what? I haven't read one comment that said they were for hot boxing children. Let this thread die already. Everyone is talking no one is listening.[Beer]

[tmleadr03]

The other side of what? I haven't read one comment that said they were for hot boxing children. Let this thread die already. Everyone is talking no one is listening.[Beer]

Look I see what your saying but really this thread is going nowhere. It is time for it to fall to the bottom of the last page.

[lpgasman]

Look I see what your saying but really this thread is going nowhere. It is time for it to fall to the bottom of the last page.

[ROFL2]I rest my case.

[Sharpienads]

Last clap contest?

[GilpinGuy]

Man, 13 pages. Smoking really gets folks riled up.

[tmleadr03]

Man, 13 pages. Smoking really gets folks riled up.

Only 4 pages for me.

[Tinelement]

Man, 13 pages. Smoking really gets folks riled up.

No kidding!

I just read through the 68k thread, this one blew the sheet outta that one!

[tmleadr03]

No kidding!

I just read through the 68k thread, this one blew the sheet outta that one!

I found the relative morality in that one to be quite shocking. This one at least people were being consistent.

[UncleDave]

Well this has been fun

[quondom fremd]

I feel that I got all my ranting and keyboard fighting out in this thread, so I wont have to rant again for a while.

[Beer]

[UncleDave]

Clap[Flower]

[Sharpienads]

Clap[Flower]

Must... Resist.... Urge.... To.... Clap.

[Ronin13]

Must... Resist.... Urge.... To.... Clap.

I can't! http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/mearii87/GIFS/sibrows-applause.gif

[tmleadr03]

I can't! http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/mearii87/GIFS/sibrows-applause.gif

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/evildrew81/scary%20stuff/Joker.gif