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SA Friday
06-01-2012, 18:21
What the hell is wrong with people. Fishing the south platte for trout with a spin cast is like trying to take a 1000 yard shot with a fricken BB gun. In the past two weeks I've seen dozens of these fools on the river, tearing crap up, snagging lures and and then leaving umpteen yards of line in the the water after snapping their line off... Seriously, get a Fn clue, put the POS down, and slowly back away from the stream.
If you can't fly fish, then you are not really fishing for trout in a mountain stream or river. You are simply in my and every other fly fisherman's way. You might get lucky and catch one fish. We are going to catch dozens and not leave shitloads of line everywhere. If fly fishing is too hard for you, find a lake or pond and leave the "too hard to cast a fly rod" type fishing to those of us that spent the time and energy to learn how to do the hard stuff. BTW, I taught my daughter how to do the hard stuff when she was ten, ya, you suck that bad. Now get away from my Fn river.
Byte Stryke
06-01-2012, 18:28
We should legislate it.
Get Permits and register fly-rods.
"Where-in no person without a proper fly- rod, Properly tied fly and State sanction 90 hours of Fly-fishing training from an accredited instructor shall be permitted to fish in any stream, river or body of moving water.
All such duly authorized persons shall wear upon their heads a large synthetic mass of bright red or green hair and upon their feet, Large floppy shoes as indications of such qualifications."
Get Mayor Bloomberg out here to endorse it even...
I wonder if we can get Michael Bennet and Mark Udall to sponsor it?
[ROFL1]
battle_sight_zero
06-01-2012, 18:41
I spinning reel fish rivers for trout and Walleye and kick ass at it. Two years ago got a 13 pound walleye in the river below chatfield, a fly fisherman would have never done that. Op should join Fishexploer most of the guys on there are the Bloombergs of the fishing holes I hate reading their self rightous posts.
10mm-man
06-01-2012, 18:52
We should legislate it.
Get Permits and register fly-rods.
"Where-in no person without a proper fly- rod, Properly tied fly and State sanction 90 hours of Fly-fishing training from an accredited instructor shall be permitted to fish in any stream, river or body of moving water.
All such duly authorized persons shall wear upon their heads a large synthetic mass of bright red or green hair and upon their feet, Large floppy shoes as indications of such qualifications."
Get Mayor Bloomberg out here to endorse it even...
I wonder if we can get Michael Bennet and Mark Udall to sponsor it?
[ROFL1]
+1
10mm-man
06-01-2012, 18:53
I spinning reel fish rivers for trout and Walleye and kick ass at it. Two years ago got a 13 pound walleye in the river below chatfield, a fly fisherman would have never done that. Op should join Fishexploer most of the guys on there are the Bloombergs of the fishing holes I hate reading their self rightous posts.
+1 Actually gonna go throw some this weekend... Hopefully right next to the crybaby...
Personally, I like to snowboard down a double black diamond run on my way to casting into the river at the bottom of the valley. That's before a long night of drag racing my import, then tossing back single barrel whiskey mixed with diet coke.
wrestler034
06-01-2012, 19:03
I spinning reel fish rivers for trout and Walleye and kick ass at it. Two years ago got a 13 pound walleye in the river below chatfield, a fly fisherman would have never done that. Op should join Fishexploer most of the guys on there are the Bloombergs of the fishing holes I hate reading their self rightous posts.
x2 and I'm a fly fisherman. I spin fish and fly fish both lakes and streams. The elitist attitude of many fly fisherman sucks.
battle_sight_zero
06-01-2012, 19:29
SaFriday I am sorry for sorta condemning you. The fact that your on this site and a fisherman is great. Sadly people fishing and hunting is decreasing. So to see novices out there is a good thing. If they stick at they will learn just like we did to fish properily. Personally when I am out and see someone out there struggling I give them a hint or show them what works if they want the advice. Also I fish all the time with my 5 year old, I fly fish too but right now that's too complicated for the little fellow. So right now were bait fishing, and we do pretty good. This far less demanding than my fly fishing but right now I would not trade a thing for the bonding we are having right now.
Take care and tight lines!
Eldorado556
06-01-2012, 19:35
x2 and I'm a fly fisherman. I spin fish and fly fish both lakes and streams. The elitist attitude of many fly fisherman sucks.
X a zillion.
I spin because it's what I prefer and can catch anything from trout to muskie. My grandpa taught me to fish and he fished to have something to eat. If you think flyfishing is the "only" way to fish you help perpetuate the "flyfishers are elitist" stereotype.
TriggerHappy
06-01-2012, 20:26
I spinning reel fish rivers for trout and Walleye and kick ass at it. Two years ago got a 13 pound walleye in the river below chatfield, a fly fisherman would have never done that. Op should join Fishexploer most of the guys on there are the Bloombergs of the fishing holes I hate reading their self rightous posts.
+3 I'm even from Alaska. I would say it is the biggest fishing state, try combat fishing on the kenai or Russian river.
1/2stick O dynomite, or a magneto both work well.
Goodburbon
06-01-2012, 20:55
You know I might like to try fishing here. I haven't bothered since I moved. I can fly fish, I guess it's just a matter of deciding to go.
It is tough as hell tying them little buggers to the hook, they won't be still.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-01-2012, 21:09
What the hell is wrong with people. Fishing the south platte for trout with a spin cast is like trying to take a 1000 yard shot with a fricken BB gun. In the past two weeks I've seen dozens of these fools on the river, tearing crap up, snagging lures and and then leaving umpteen yards of line in the the water after snapping their line off... Seriously, get a Fn clue, put the POS down, and slowly back away from the stream.
If you can't fly fish, then you are not really fishing for trout in a mountain stream or river. You are simply in my and every other fly fisherman's way. You might get lucky and catch one fish. We are going to catch dozens and not leave shitloads of line everywhere. If fly fishing is too hard for you, find a lake or pond and leave the "too hard to cast a fly rod" type fishing to those of us that spent the time and energy to learn how to do the hard stuff. BTW, I taught my daughter how to do the hard stuff when she was ten, ya, you suck that bad. Now get away from my Fn river.
This attitude is why 90% of fisherman HATE fly fisherman.... Your river, huh? Better never see you at MY lake then, clown.
1/2stick O dynomite, or a magneto both work well.
My honorary Native American name is "Fishes with Dynamite"...
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/dynamite.gif
SSChameleon
06-01-2012, 21:59
I've done fly fishing and spinning and caught a lot of fish doing both. I prefer spinning, I'll be doing some this weekend at a lake and in the river.
Last June I pulled this brown out of a river using a spinning rig.
jhood001
06-01-2012, 22:12
I only flyfish when I'm not hungry for fresh fish.
Holger Danske
06-01-2012, 22:38
I grew up within walking distance to the Colorado and the Roaring Fork. Been fishing with a spin reel my whole life and don't see a need to learn something new.
I love to flyfish but here's the deal:
We complain that others don't do it right. This leads to segregation...fly fishing and lures only. Bait casters go elsewhere! Pretty soon, the fly fishers and lure fishers hove thier own sections. Soon, the novice fly fishers get upset with the beginner fly fishers. Now we have to segregate them and break the river down to more sections. The older fly fishers can't wade in the heavier currents so they get their own section and so on and so on. Lastly, we have individual permits assigned to 20 yard sections of the river and after 10 years of the same section, we don't realize that they moved the application deadline up from the 31st of December to the 30th of November and we loose that permit and have to take up golf as we no longer have a spot in the river to fly fish.
Just saying, be careful what you wish for, it might come back to bite you in the ass!
SA Friday
06-01-2012, 22:52
This attitude is why 90% of fisherman HATE fly fisherman.... Your river, huh? Better never see you at MY lake then, clown.
Whatever... I have yet to see anyone out fish a fly rod on a river with a spin cast for trout. I'm sure we can arrange a time for you to bring your spin cast out to Deckers and we can see where things stand, clown.
Big Wall
06-01-2012, 22:57
I think people hear about the great fishing and big fish in the south platte and want to go fish it. They don't realize the amount of people from the US and around the world that go there to fish. They don't realize how selective these fish have become and they don't realize those people are using TINY flies and that the river is so famous that every pool and riffle has a name.
I had a couple neighbors that took their 8 yr old sons there to spin fish and were disapointed that they didn't even get a bite.
Whatever... I have yet to see anyone out fish a fly rod on a river with a spin cast for trout. I'm sure we can arrange a time for you to bring your spin cast out to Deckers and we can see where things stand, clown.
This entire thread is unlike you. Fishing makes me angry, but I don't take it out on people here.
Goodburbon
06-02-2012, 01:45
Yeah, everyone knows bolt actions are the only rifles to shoot. Semi auto clowns are just retarded and need to stay off my range! Lever action wanna be cowboys too.
This is how the argument sounds.
To the OP:
That's like saying that hunting big game with any other caliber except 300 Win Mag is unethical, wrong, and should be banned.
Byte Stryke
06-02-2012, 08:37
OK Lets suppose... say a 50-50 split on Fly-fishermen and others...
Get rid of those awefull "others"...
Don't worry, next year you can rant about how your fishing license cost doubled.
Here and I was going to rant about how GA accepts my Tribal ID but still charges a $2.00 administrative fee.
[ROFL1]
JM Ver. 2.0
06-02-2012, 08:49
Whatever... I have yet to see anyone out fish a fly rod on a river with a spin cast for trout. I'm sure we can arrange a time for you to bring your spin cast out to Deckers and we can see where things stand, clown.
My post had nothing to do with skill or amount of fish caught. You took it there, not me, so slow your roll, Whippy Stick.
All I said was, your attitude is bullshit. That's right, I typed it out.
YOUR river? Is your name on it somewhere? Do you own the land around and under said river? What's that? No you say? Well then it's not your river and you should stop acting like you're some how better at life than the rest of us.
If you want to ban everyone but Flyfishermen from rivers then I expect no bitching from you when fees go up and access goes down.
That shouldn't bother you much though. You're a FlyFisherman... You're better than everyone else.
I'd still have a Pepsi with ya, even though you're a Flyfisherman who thinks himself better than the rest of us. I don't drink beer. [Pepsi]
Holger Danske
06-02-2012, 09:31
Whatever... I have yet to see anyone out fish a fly rod on a river with a spin cast for trout. I'm sure we can arrange a time for you to bring your spin cast out to Deckers and we can see where things stand, clown.
I've had days where I've fished circles around fly fishermen. And I've had days when they have out fished me. That's all.
OP are you on your period??
I spinning reel fish rivers for trout and Walleye and kick ass at it. Two years ago got a 13 pound walleye in the river below chatfield, a fly fisherman would have never done that. Op should join Fishexploer most of the guys on there are the Bloombergs of the fishing holes I hate reading their self rightous posts.
+1. I toss lures and do quite well at it. you rarely see guys with fly-fishing rods land really good sized fish.
fishexplorer is the arfcom general discussion forum of the fishing world.
+3 I'm even from Alaska. I would say it is the biggest fishing state, try combat fishing on the kenai or Russian river.
did exactly that last year. crazy experience!
JM Ver. 2.0
06-02-2012, 09:56
+1. I toss lures and do quite well at it. you rarely see guys with fly-fishing rods land really good sized fish.
fishexplorer is the arfcom general discussion forum of the fishing world.
ColoradoFisherman.com is a good forum to troll... Buddy of mine and I pretty much got the "Off Topic" section shut down.
To the OP:
That's like saying that hunting big game with any other caliber except 300 Win Mag is unethical, wrong, and should be banned.
actually 50 bmg is the ONLY ethical way to hunt. all others should get out of my national forest
[Tooth]
ColoradoFisherman.com is a good forum to troll... Buddy of mine and I pretty much got the "Off Topic" section shut down.
I've looked at it before but never joined. I just troll the fishing websites so I can see what people are saying about the lake(s) or river(s) I want to go to and see if they have any info as to what's working.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-02-2012, 10:26
Now that I think about it... ColoradoFisherman.com has a place just for people like Friday... They gave the FlyFishermen their own little section..
In the past two weeks I've seen dozens of these fools on the river, tearing crap up, snagging lures and and then leaving umpteen yards of line in the the water after snapping their line off...
Sounds like the same people that trash our shooting areas, go off trail when wheeling, drop their trash on our trails...
There's not many things I'd rather be doing than standing in the middle of secluded river and swinging a stick. Every once in a while I'll spin cast a mountain lake.
SA Friday
06-02-2012, 11:54
Some of you guys all butt hurt by my elitism need to go back to my OP and see just how specific I was as to where I was fishing. Down river from chatfield and lakes isn't what I was ranting about. Couple of you get that. Must be damn elitest like me.
Its right tool, for the job. I'm positive some of you think driving a nail with a big rock from the back yard is a cheaper and just as good as a hammer. Just don't look at the drywall afterwards.
I've done fly fishing and spinning and caught a lot of fish doing both. I prefer spinning, I'll be doing some this weekend at a lake and in the river.
Last June I pulled this brown out of a river using a spinning rig.
Jesus! That's a trout?!?! Looks like a freakin' salmon to me.
And this is the way to fish, if you wanna fill the freezer.....
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/machineguns%20and%20grenades/grenade.jpg
JM Ver. 2.0
06-02-2012, 12:39
Some of you guys all butt hurt by my elitism need to go back to my OP and see just how specific I was as to where I was fishing. Down river from chatfield and lakes isn't what I was ranting about. Couple of you get that. Must be damn elitest like me.
Its right tool, for the job. I'm positive some of you think driving a nail with a big rock from the back yard is a cheaper and just as good as a hammer. Just don't look at the drywall afterwards.
You're an expert at this... [Tooth]
http://edmondstingrays.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/backstroke.gif
Speaking of fishing,
They should outlaw fly fishing. Its dangerous for anyone in the direct area around the fisherman what with that hook flying every which way and their attire is a whole nother matter in itself.[Neene2]
Colorado Luckydog
06-02-2012, 13:01
I don't care who fishes where or how. Just don't get on top of where I'm fishing and give me some room.
I do agree with the OP on one thing though. No one with a spinning reel can keep up with me fly fishing in Deckers. Ain't gonna ever happen.
As a matter of fact, there aren't to many fly fishers gonna keep up with me there either.
I'm just letting everyone know, I'm a fly fishing GOD!!
Twinscrewed05gt
06-02-2012, 15:21
Fishing snobs eh? Wow, I've seen it all now lol.
One Shot
06-02-2012, 16:12
I could use some fly fishing tips. Hoping to see another thread from the OP to share his Fly Fishing expertise with the rest of us..
SA Friday
06-02-2012, 16:14
I could use some fly fishing tips. Hoping to see another thread from the OP to share his Fly Fishing expertise with the rest of us..
start one. I'll add info.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-02-2012, 16:19
start one. I'll add info.
You're the Fly Fisherman Elite. Why don't you start it? It can be called "Friday's Fly Shop." [Coffee]
planefixer
06-02-2012, 18:30
I've been fly fishing as well as tying my own flies since I was 11 y.o. (1978) and I've seen just as many fly fishermen being inconsiderate, incompotent morons as I have other fishermen.It really seemed to increase in the late '80s - mid '90s when there was a large influx of yuppie newbies to the sport.The OPs argument goes both ways.The last time I fished the Deckers/Trumbull stretch of river some flyfishing newbie jerk-off hooked a fish in the pool above where I was fishing and, without even thinking twice about it, proceeded to play his fish right through the water I was fishing without even an "excuse me" or "sorry".
Speaking of fishing and all that good stuff. I am going to Quincy res tomorrow with my nephew at 5am. Anybody wanna go with us? We will be using spinning gear and I have an extra pole if somebody needs it. Quincy is flys and lures only BTW
Do you have to have a habitat stamp to fish?
Its right tool, for the job. I'm positive some of you think driving a nail with a big rock from the back yard is a cheaper and just as good as a hammer. Just don't look at the drywall afterwards.
Most of the time there is more than one 'right tool for the job'.
You use a hammer to hang sheetrock, I'll use a clutched screwgun. I'm not gonna get angry if you dent the walls with the head of the hammer a bit.
Jim, please tell us all about the art of catching the elusive Coney Island white fish.
It takes a very special fisherman with nerves of steel.
[LOL]
I only flyfish when I'm not hungry for fresh fish.
you rarely see guys with fly-fishing rods land really good sized fish.
It's the Indian, not the arrow...
I dislike the elitist element within fly fishing as much as anyone (potentially more so) but try to give a bit of consideration to the fact that in most situations, whether a person gets "fresh fish", or a big fish (or not) is an indication of the fisherman, not the type of tackle being used.
The conventional guys think the spinning crowd are using the wrong equipment just like the spinning folks think fly rods are for play and not serious fishing tools. It's all rather unfortunate that which wrench a person chooses from the toolbox is seen as a detraction from that persons ability by those that chose a different tool.
It doesn't matter if it's lake/pond/river/fresh water/saltwater, the discussion should be about the person, not the tool. If a fisherman is good at fishing, he or she will do well regardless of what body of water is being fished and regardless of what kind of equipment they choose to use. Similarly, if a person can't catch a fish with one tool, they'll most likely do poorly with another type of equipment.
I own spinning gear and don't have trouble using it. I've been known to drag in a fish or two while harnessed to a 50W as well. I toss a fly rod from time to time and have never gone home hungry because I only had a fly rod along.
A few fish on fly when I forgot to bring the spinning rods:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/MLAK1175.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/sMarkLewis2564.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/sMarkLewis6607.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/markdolphinbow.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/riversnookBOGA.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/sMarkLewis-3759.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/2-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/SavannahJacksitting.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/s0564.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/BridgeSnookRelease.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/joeytarponjump.jpg
I guess I'll have to load up some photos of fish caught on spinning & conventional reels one of these days [Bang]
joeyshoe
06-02-2012, 21:04
ok, that last one was SICK!!!!
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2012, 21:19
Jim, please tell us all about the art of catching the elusive Coney Island white fish.
It takes a very special fisherman with nerves of steel.
[LOL]
It's the catch & release. The ladies have the right bait to lure them in close, before the elusive snapper takes hold.
It's the catch & release. The ladies have the right bait to lure them in close, before the elusive snapper takes hold.
the elusive snapper costs my buddy about $600 in child support each month!
One Shot
06-02-2012, 22:42
hatidua, some very nice fish! I wish I had more time to fish. My buddies went up to Jefferson Lake today and I skipped out to work overtime to fund some of my hunting trip this year.
SA Friday
06-02-2012, 22:43
Speaking of fishing and all that good stuff. I am going to Quincy res tomorrow with my nephew at 5am. Anybody wanna go with us? We will be using spinning gear and I have an extra pole if somebody needs it. Quincy is flys and lures only BTW
Do you have to have a habitat stamp to fish?
not to fish. This weekend is free fishing in the whole state.
not to fish. This weekend is free fishing in the whole state.
Thanks hopefully we get there earlier enough to beat the crowds.
spencerhenry
06-03-2012, 07:36
i only read the OP, and then a handful since.
just like shotgun shooters, their version of the shooting sports is the ONLY one that matters, everyone else is a heathen. i am sure they are not all that way, but many i have run into have the attitude that if someone doesnt shoot a high end over/under, they dont deserve to be at the same shooting range.
i dont fly fish. not because i cant, but because i choose not to. just because someone doesnt participate in the sport the way you do, does not mean they are beneath you, or that they are somehow less entitled to fish those waters. i am sure there are plenty of slobs out there, but everyone has to learn somehow.
i live in the roaring fork valley where fly fishing is extremely popular, drift boats everywhere, fly shops, guide services, etc... a couple of friends of mine were big time into fly fishing, and they were normal people. BUT many fly fishermen i have run across have such an attitude that their sport is so SUPERIOR to every other form of fishing, kind of like the OP. the attitude has turned me off to fly fishing more than any other thing.
fly fishermen are not superior, only their attitude is.
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