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TheBelly
06-05-2012, 12:08
legal or illegal for the CO and surrounding areas?
(sorry if this has been posted before)
SuperiorDG
06-05-2012, 12:12
Legal.
legal in CO. Can't vouch for other states surrounding.
henpecked
06-05-2012, 13:22
Illegal in Wyoming
Legal in KS. as of last July also.
TheBelly
06-06-2012, 08:15
Illegal in Wyoming
for anything, or what about varmint or predator? (I have friends in the 307)
I didn't know you could hunt with suppressed weapons, that's awesome!
TheBelly
06-06-2012, 09:17
my first form 4 got approved, so I'm looking to take care of a couple of critters in/around anywhere I'm located.
spqrzilla
06-06-2012, 09:32
Most DWM's out there do not believe that suppressors are legal or if they do, will nonetheless be suspicious of any one possessing one in the field. You will be harrassed if one encounters you.
henpecked
06-06-2012, 09:42
for anything, or what about varmint or predator? (I have friends in the 307)
Illegal to hunt anything including praire dogs and coyotes
I don't know why it would/should be illegal, as long as the device is legally owned. You're just protecting your hearing is all. But anyone who uses one for poaching or such should be strung up by the balls.
UncleDave
06-06-2012, 12:25
In Colorado it is legal to hunt with a suppressor, one of the few states where it is.
As of April 2012...
http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/pdf/HUNTING%20WITH%20SUPPRESSORS-STATE%20LAW%20COMPILATION.pdf
As of April 2012...
http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/pdf/HUNTING%20WITH%20SUPPRESSORS-STATE%20LAW%20COMPILATION.pdf
Great info! It's amazing how many states it IS legal in!
it is advisable to have the tax stamp with you at all times, weather hunting or not, when using the suppressor. I've not run into a game warden yet while hunting with my can on.
flan7211
06-06-2012, 16:19
In a lot of Scandinavian nations local areas demand you use a suppressor for noise pollution.
Just got approved in Texas.
One of these days, I'll get one.
I don't know why it would/should be illegal,
In states where it is illegal, it is a measure against poaching. Just like having a loaded rifle in your vehicle.
it is advisable to have the tax stamp with you at all times, weather hunting or not, when using the suppressor. I've not run into a game warden yet while hunting with my can on.
Or a copy of it.
The originals live in the safe.
it is advisable to have the tax stamp with you at all times, weather hunting or not, when using the suppressor. I've not run into a game warden yet while hunting with my can on.
It is REQUIRED to have according to the letter I got from Bob Thompson/Acting Chief of Wildlife law enforcement, Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
Great-Kazoo
06-07-2012, 22:57
It is REQUIRED to have according to the letter I got from Bob Thompson/Acting Chief of Wildlife law enforcement, Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
It is required to have the stamp with the item when out of the house. I have copies in my range bag as it would not be the first time i was 1/2 way there and went [Bang]#$%^&*, turn around.
TheBelly
06-08-2012, 00:49
It is REQUIRED to have according to the letter I got from Bob Thompson/Acting Chief of Wildlife law enforcement, Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
what was the actual law/ordinance that was cited in your letter?
in any case, sounds like I've got a use for the middle of my MOE grip now....
Great-Kazoo
06-08-2012, 05:12
what was the actual law/ordinance that was cited in your letter?
in any case, sounds like I've got a use for the middle of my MOE grip now....
Forget any dow ord, NFA items MUST have the documentation with the said part when out & about. I made reduced size copies that fit in my wallet.
Forget any dow ord, NFA items MUST have the documentation with the said part when out & about. I made reduced size copies that fit in my wallet.
Yep did the same. Might need a magnifying glass but they are always there!
TheBelly
06-09-2012, 00:10
my apologies, I think I didn't state the situation correctly that I wanted the ordinance for:
If I get stopped by DOW, I can very easily produce a copy of the form, no problem.
What if Trooper McTuffNutz tells me it's illegal to hunt with them in (insert state name here)..?
Hoser's link says, yes it's legal, but it doesn't give the relevant section. The other side of that is that Trooper McSwizzleStick must cite me for breaking some law or ordinance, then the responsibility is on me for going to court and proving Trooper McClamBake wrong. Sounds like a PITA.
I'll just hunt at night, with NVGs, from my car. [Muaha]
spqrzilla
06-09-2012, 12:27
TheBelly, no one can tell you the ordinance that allows you to hunt with a suppressor in Colorado. It does not exist.
There is no statute or regulation to makes it illegal.
That's the way criminal codes are written. To give notice of what is forbidden.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-09-2012, 15:31
TheBelly, no one can tell you the ordinance that allows you to hunt with a suppressor in Colorado. It does not exist.
There is no statute or regulation to makes it illegal.
That's the way criminal codes are written. To give notice of what is forbidden.
So what you're sayin' is... I could totally play TactiCool Sniper Guy and shoot living things..... [ROFL1]
lead_magnet
06-09-2012, 16:05
18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon - affirmative defense
(1) As used in this section, the term "dangerous weapon" means a firearm silencer, machine gun, short shotgun, short rifle, or ballistic knife.
(2) As used in this section, the term "illegal weapon" means a blackjack, gas gun, metallic knuckles, gravity knife, or switchblade knife.
(3) A person who knowingly possesses a dangerous weapon commits a class 5 felony. Each subsequent violation of this subsection (3) by the same person shall be a class 4 felony.
(4) A person who knowingly possesses an illegal weapon commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
(5) It shall be an affirmative defense to the charge of possessing a dangerous weapon, or to the charge of possessing an illegal weapon, that the person so accused was a peace officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or Colorado National Guard acting in the lawful discharge of his duties, or that said person has a valid permit and license for possession of such weapon.
True...it doesn't say you HAVE to carry it with you. However, if you dont you'll probably be arrested for violating this law, and then you'll have the joyus experience of trying to get your property back after you show you possesed a valid permit.
Being found to be in possession of a "dangerous weapon" (i.e. suppressor) without having any paperwork with you to show that you are allowed to have it will give Johnny Law probable cause to place you under arrest for a class 5 Felony. You'll beat the charges later, but why get sent to jail and then go through the fun of trying to get your stuff back from the agency that will have it in evidence. That isn't a fun process.
In short, CARRY YOUR FORM 1 OR 4 WITH YOU!!! (or a copy)
spqrzilla
06-09-2012, 20:00
So what you're sayin' is... I could totally play TactiCool Sniper Guy and shoot living things..... [ROFL1]
Really? That's what you took from my comment?
Hunting with a can has nothing to do with being a "tacitCool sniper guy"
Try, not needing hearing protection while shooting prairie dogs and not scaring coyotes out of the area you are hunting them in. Just to name a few.
TheBelly
06-10-2012, 10:37
Try, not needing hearing protection while shooting prairie dogs and not scaring coyotes out of the area you are hunting them in. Just to name a few.
Bingo!
So what you're sayin' is... I could totally play TactiCool Sniper Guy and shoot living things..... [ROFL1]
several of us on here do hunt, and a few of us hunt with suppressors. do you have a mall ninja forum to troll
spqrzilla
06-10-2012, 16:23
several of us on here do hunt, and a few of us hunt with suppressors. do you have a mall ninja forum to troll
Hear, hear.
An acquaintance of mine (from the net) and I started this project to document the states where "Hunting with a Suppressor" was legal, specifically what the law was in each state: Prohibited, Non-Game Animals Only, All Game. It is based on the Gemtech document posted earlier in this thread.
http://i39.tinypic.com/33p655e.png
This map was last updated on April 2, 2012 (as timestamped).
That would be fantastic for busting song dogs.
You can't even own a suppressor in Wyoming?
Nice map! Kinda surprising some of the states that totally ban them, some others, not so surprising.
You can't even own a suppressor in Wyoming?
yes you can own them there, just not possess while hunting.
You can't even own a suppressor in Wyoming?
Irving,
I know you can own a suppressor in WY. There was an MG shoot up in Casper this last weekend.
What the map addresses is (in this case) is if either possession is prohibited or hunting with a suppressor is prohibited. Those two situations are combined in the map, with respect to hunting with a can, as they are the same (i.e. you can't do it). The map's primary purpose is to address whether you can hunt with a can, and what you can hunt (varmints/non-game, or game and non-game animals).
I hope this makes it clear.
I was pretty sure that you could own one in Wyoming. The way it is worded on the map, with the use of the word "or" made it confusing.
Scaleguy24
06-10-2012, 22:45
Am I under the correct assumption that a suppressor and a silencer are actually very different in the way they affect the dB level of the actual gunshot? Therefore a suppressor would still be ok but a silencer would not be?
I was pretty sure that you could own one in Wyoming. The way it is worded on the map, with the use of the word "or" made it confusing.
I should probably modify the wording in the map legend to make that clearer. I agree it is somewhat confusing. Given space limitations, I was going for newspaper headline verbiage. My associate did the design for the map and I was limited to three colors. However, I did think about this ambiguity and decided that four colors might be just as confusing.
Thanks for the input.
Am I under the correct assumption that a suppressor and a silencer are actually very different in the way they affect the dB level of the actual gunshot? Therefore a suppressor would still be ok but a silencer would not be?
You are not. Suppressor and Silencer are two different words for the same product.
Am I under the correct assumption that a suppressor and a silencer are actually very different in the way they affect the dB level of the actual gunshot? Therefore a suppressor would still be ok but a silencer would not be?
A sound suppressor and a (sound) silencer are the same thing. Silencer is the legal term used by the ATF (probably due to the fact that the NFA law was written back in 1934). Suppressor is the industry/technical term. In reality no firearm suppressor truly silences the report of a firearm, so the term silencer is somewhat of a misnomer.
With subsonic rounds like .45 and subsonic .22, the overall sound of the firearm discharging is very quiet, but not completely silent. Most of the sound you hear with rounds like these are the click of the action cycling (on a semi-auto) and the impact of the round. On supersonic firearms, .40's, 9mm's and most rifle rounds, the sound suppressor significantly subdues the report of the firearm, but you still hear the sonic crack of the bullet as it breaks the sound barrier.
Scaleguy24
06-11-2012, 17:09
Thanks for clearing that up for me. now i am a more educated idiot!
Great-Kazoo
06-11-2012, 17:42
Thanks for clearing that up for me. now i am a more educated idiot!
Ah yes , but you're our idiot.
SouthPaw
06-12-2012, 11:44
Ah yes , but you're our idiot.
That damn Jim [ROFL1]
SpikeMike
06-27-2012, 13:49
You know, hunting with a supressor would make more sense, or should as it would not disturb the other critters..just saying is all
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