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Nope - don't have one
But I was thinking about getting one as "proof" of being a good guy for taking some Mag 40 classes. Taking a class from Massad Ayob is on one of those lists of things to do after the first time I heard him speak.
Until I get the training - I figure I just don't have all the information I need to make that sort of choice.
Is there any down side for getting one even if you don't end up ever concealed carrying? Not too worry about being on some sort of "list" - heck, ex military so I know I am on a few folks lists.
blacklabel
06-05-2012, 18:42
I'm confused. You need proof of being a good guy to take a Mag 40 class? As for getting a permit, there aren't really downsides, especially if you don't plan on carrying but if you do carry, there's the responsibility that comes with possessing a handgun in public.
mcsurveyer1361
06-05-2012, 19:01
yes i am confused as well
Some folks as long as your check has cleared - your a good guy in their books.
Just cut and pasted from their website:
Due to the nature of our instruction, it is necessary to provide us with one or more of the following:
a. Current State Issued Permit to carry a concealed handgun
b. Current FFL – Federal Firearms License
c. Current FOID Card (Illinois Residents only)
d. Current Police or Military ID
e. Other current proof of clean criminal record. Most sheriff’s departments will run these for you at a nominal fee, done routinely in many occupations
I could take option "e." - but figure if I am going to do that - I might as well go "whole hog".
I'm confused. You need proof of being a good guy to take a Mag 40 class? As for getting a permit, there aren't really downsides, especially if you don't plan on carrying but if you do carry, there's the responsibility that comes with possessing a handgun in public.
There is a whole heck of a lot of responsibility - which is why I would want some of the best training well before I would consider CC.
Tinelement
06-05-2012, 22:48
There is a whole heck of a lot of responsibility - which is why I would want some of the best training well before I would consider CC.
There is also a lot of responsibly along with driving a car. I'm sure you weren't taught to drive by the King himself Richard Petty, but yet you get behind the wheel.
I also am confused by this thread.[Dunno]
There is also a lot of responsibly along with driving a car. I'm sure you weren't taught to drive by the King himself Richard Petty, but yet you get behind the wheel.
I also am confused by this thread.[Dunno]
Well - being confused for threads I start - that happens more often than not.
-> my goal is get training - and I hope sometime a mag 40 class. There was one mag 20 lecture class a few years back in Colorado - but I was not able to attend.
-> Will mag 40 be the only class I will ever take? Nope, with luck I will find some quality classes in the Springs - even if it is the basic 101 stuff from the NRA.
-> Does taking any of the Mag 40 classes have odd requirements to some? Yep -
-> Did the "king" teach me to drive? Nope, my Dad did. Along with how to work a tractor and a JD bulldozer But more to the subject, I did have 6 months of drivers eduction class before I got behind a car - so yes, I did receive some good training.
I think my question about a down side to having concealed license was answered. No down side for having one if you never intend to carry.
JM Ver. 2.0
06-06-2012, 03:26
I think you should take an English class.... Or two.... Maybe three.... Then get back to us...
blacklabel
06-06-2012, 09:50
I'm still confused.
No Downside to having a CCW, you will have to have some class (NRA Basic Pistol, etc) to Obtain your CCW. You mentioned you were ex mili, I think its ether 5-10 years after departure date you can get your CCW without having to take a class. Nothing is wrong with wanting to have more training under your belt!
mcsurveyer1361
06-06-2012, 14:45
No Downside to having a CCW, you will have to have some class (NRA Basic Pistol, etc) to Obtain your CCW. You mentioned you were ex mili, I think its ether 5-10 years after departure date you can get your CCW without having to take a class. Nothing is wrong with wanting to have more training under your belt!
If not mistaken its up to 3 yrs after your EAS with just basic rifle qualifications, but if you have expert pistol qual then you have up to ten years i belive thats correct.
Yea I haven't had time to look it up or teach, but I remember that for ex MIL & LEO.
Thanks for the updates on impacts for having the concealed carry permit. For the folks who don't know about Massad Ayoob classes - he is brilliant, and is a bit "fussy" about who is allowed to take his training.
The mag 40 class is 1/2 class room and 1/2 range time. The class room covers a lot about law, what to say, what not to say, etc. I would be overly kind to say my skill set for running a pistol is rusty and covered in barnacles. My skill set in the law covering concealed carry is non-existent.
So I am asking a few n00b type questions about the in-outs of having a permit. I am hoping that there is really no down side getting the permit other than spending some quality time getting finger prints / filling in paperwork and taking a intro class or 3.
About a year ago I had the chance / money to attend one of Massad Ayoob classes; however, I was unable to prove in the short window of time I had that I was part of the "good guys" group. So one year later I am thinking that my skill set still sucks, I have no real background on law, and have a smaller budget for training.
I figure it's time I changed directions and at least start down the path of better self protection which might / or might not have me concealed carry.
Brad
blacklabel
06-07-2012, 08:22
So how do you prove you're in the good guys group? I suck at reading between the lines.
So how do you prove you're in the good guys group? I suck at reading between the lines.
Page one reference - here is a list of things you can do to say you are one of the good guys.
Due to the nature of our instruction, it is necessary to provide us with one or more of the following:
a. Current State Issued Permit to carry a concealed handgun
b. Current FFL – Federal Firearms License
c. Current FOID Card (Illinois Residents only)
d. Current Police or Military ID
e. Other current proof of clean criminal record. Most sheriff’s departments will run these for you at a nominal fee, done routinely in many occupations
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