View Full Version : Let's get a thread going on "popular gun culture"
Uberjager
06-09-2012, 23:00
I'm talking about the typical run of the mill stuff you hear. It can be true, false, or hyped out of proportion.
One of the most common popular mistakes is calling a magazine a clip.
There's also the belief that filing down a firing pin will cause a gun to shoot full auto.
Perhaps my personal favorite is whole "thing" of gun dealers having illegal machine guns, explosives, silencers, et cetera "in the back" of the shop.
What are some of your favorites?
Perhaps my personal favorite is whole "thing" of gun dealers having illegal machine guns, explosives, silencers, et cetera "in the back" of the shop.
What are some of your favorites?
I saw it on a movie once.. 'Commando'.. I want that sporting good store in my neighborhood when the zombies come.
Pacman89
06-09-2012, 23:08
I saw it on a movie once.. 'Commando'.. I want that sporting good store in my neighborhood when the zombies come.
didnt it have a ton of class III stuff in there + grenades & rocket launchers... you know your average general store[ROFL1]
calling a negligent discharge and accidental discharge. no such thing. there was always negligence involved.
sabot_round
06-09-2012, 23:27
My favorite...File the sear and it will go full auto!!
There's no such thing as "Glock forty"
When you shooting at the car - the car explodes!
Waywardson174
06-09-2012, 23:53
Love that no gun in a movie has recoil. Hero is too bad@$$ for physics.
DD977GM2
06-09-2012, 23:56
Hate a magazine being called a clip.
Also why do people think SKS is the end all be all supre awesome rifle?
AR15s are actually M16s.
Pacman89
06-09-2012, 23:57
gotta give it up for the unlimited ammo in one magazine in movies[Coffee]
cfortune
06-09-2012, 23:58
Revolvers that divide by zero
SA Friday
06-10-2012, 00:59
Had a guy ask me the other day if we sold 5.56. I told him we only sold 223. He then said he won't shoot that stuff because the 5.56 had considerably better stopping power. I just said, "uh, no. Not really."
Keep drinking the tact-cool koolaid buddy, keep drinking.
Don't see it much anymore, but used to see suppressed revolvers on TV alot in the 70's. [ROFL1]
sabot_round
06-10-2012, 01:26
Don't see it much anymore, but used to see suppressed revolvers on TV alot in the 70's. [ROFL1]
How about the super quite guns?
Bailey Guns
06-10-2012, 05:40
The mere presence of a .45 caliber projectile will instantly stop any aggressor. Period. Exclamation point.
Bailey Guns
06-10-2012, 06:20
"You don't need to aim a shotgun. Just point it in the general direction of what you wanna shoot."
"Rackin' the slide on a shotgun will scare the s**t outta the bad guy." Yeah...or maybe the bad guy will shoot you while you're dickin' around with your gun.
BPTactical
06-10-2012, 06:36
Guns kill people.
Every round fired hits exactly where the bad guy is and it is an instant kill shot.
Handguns held sideways are deadlier..
HBARleatherneck
06-10-2012, 07:43
Don't see it much anymore, but used to see suppressed revolvers on TV alot in the 70's. [ROFL1]
there is a guy on barfcom, who suppresed his revolver. its the russian one, where the cylinder moves forward to close the gap. he said it works. there might have been a video of it too.
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2012, 08:12
there is a guy on barfcom, who suppresed his revolver. its the russian one, where the cylinder moves forward to close the gap. he said it works. there might have been a video of it too.
The Nagant does work well suppressed. The cylinder shoulders up against the frame / bbl sealing it off as good as a semi would.
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2012, 08:13
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120610/US.Auburn.Shootings/
Anything near a school is a school related shooting.
How about the one where when you shoot someone (especially with a shotgun) they will go flying backwards.
That one always cracks me up.
Eldorado556
06-10-2012, 08:36
Clip VS magazine just drives me crazy. I wanna slap the bastard that refers to a magazine as a clip.I would not buy a firearm from someone who doesn't know the difference.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/ilbruche/Glock-High-Capacity-Clips-And-Extended-Magazine.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/ilbruche/Banana-magazine.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/ilbruche/Clip_vs_mag1.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/ilbruche/magazine-clip-LABELED-800.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/ilbruche/Magazine-vs-Clip.jpg
baglock1
06-10-2012, 08:43
People who get all worked up over clip vs mag definitions. Yes there is a difference, but if your blood pressure is affected by it, find a new hobby. Perhaps cars. Then you can get worked up when guys use wheels, tires, and rims interchangeably. :)
Pacman89
06-10-2012, 08:55
how about angelina jolie goin akimbo w/ 2 HK match 45's[LOL]
How about the one where when you shoot someone (especially with a shotgun) they will go flying backwards.
That one always cracks me up.
Not entirely false for two instances.
One was article by Massad Ayoob from ages back where a LEO approached a suspect lying on the ground not moving the suspect had a SBS hidden and shot at him from mere feet. The LEO was off his feet and flew back 2-3 feet landing on his back. He survived as he was wearing his armor but not with out having injuries; broken ribs etc.
Second one have you seen a 90 lb women firing a shotgun for the first time? the target didnt fly but she sure did...................
"You don't need to aim a shotgun. Just point it in the general direction of what you wanna shoot."
"Rackin' the slide on a shotgun will scare the s**t outta the bad guy." Yeah...or maybe the bad guy will shoot you while you're dickin' around with your gun.
Actually it depends on the type of burglar, there was a self defense story in American Rifleman where an old couple heard noises downstairs and he cycled the pump shotgun,then heard scrambling noises downstairs. The would be burglar got scared and ran out the door through the screen door (so scared felt it was easier to go through it).
In the dark and you hear that noise...................you know you have to deal with a "shotgun"............if not prepared shit my pants.[Coffee]
how about angelina jolie goin akimbo w/ 2 HK match 45's[LOL]
That's just hot. [Awesom]
http://www.wildsound.ca/images/angelina_jolie_in_tomb_raider.jpg
Not entirely false for two instances.
One was article by Massad Ayoob from ages back where a LEO approached a suspect lying on the ground not moving the suspect had a SBS hidden and shot at him from mere feet. The LEO was off his feet and flew back 2-3 feet landing on his back. He survived as he was wearing his armor but not with out having injuries; broken ribs etc.
Second one have you seen a 90 lb women firing a shotgun for the first time? the target didnt fly but she sure did...................
See. This is what I mean. You're killing me here, Skully. [Coffee]
There is no way something the size and weight of a marble is going to take a 200 pound man and push him backwards. No matter how fast it's going when it hits him. He might jump backwards from fear or shock but he isn't going to be pushed, shoved, or thrown backwards from the impact of the projectile.
How about the one where when you shoot someone (especially with a shotgun) they will go flying backwards.
That one always cracks me up.
That's what I was just thinking of. Saw it in a money last night actually!
You guys pretty much all mentioned the typical gun culture myths. The most famous violators of the gun culture truths is Hong Kong action flicks.......... the 100 rd Tokarev or the 30 round revolver...............
There was a 18 shot revolver:
http://i85.servimg.com/u/f85/12/45/00/40/threex10.jpg
That's what I was just thinking of. Saw it in a money last night actually!
.............you saw it in the money last night? What the heck were you doing????[Coffee]
See. This is what I mean. You're killing me here, Skully. [Coffee]
There is no way something the size and weight of a marble is going to take a 200 pound man and push him backwards. No matter how fast it's going when it hits him. He might jump backwards from fear or shock but he isn't going to be pushed, shoved, or thrown backwards from the impact of the projectile.
Hey I just mentioned the story I didn't say he "FLEW" back, the article did with fellow LEO account of what happened , between the action of the situation anyone watching it happen it would appear he flew back due to the blast, he was according to the story wearing armor. The moral of the story from the great Ayoob always confirm your suspect and have someone cover you while you check to see if they are "faking" it.
It would be interesting to see on myth buster a 200lb "armored" object being shot by a shotgun 2 feet away.............do you think the blast would move the object????
I like in the movie Faster when the Rock uses the 454 Casull Snubby and it has no recoil, especially when he shoots the one guy in the head and his head doesn't explode.[ROFL1]
Bailey Guns
06-10-2012, 09:18
Not entirely false for two instances.
One was article by Massad Ayoob from ages back where a LEO approached a suspect lying on the ground not moving the suspect had a SBS hidden and shot at him from mere feet. The LEO was off his feet and flew back 2-3 feet landing on his back. He survived as he was wearing his armor but not with out having injuries; broken ribs etc.
Second one have you seen a 90 lb women firing a shotgun for the first time? the target didnt fly but she sure did...................
Actually it depends on the type of burglar, there was a self defense story in American Rifleman where an old couple heard noises downstairs and he cycled the pump shotgun,then heard scrambling noises downstairs. The would be burglar got scared and ran out the door through the screen door (so scared felt it was easier to go through it).
In the dark and you hear that noise...................you know you have to deal with a "shotgun"............if not prepared shit my pants.[Coffee]
Well, you can make yourself a known target to your potential assailant if you like. Me? I want my potential assailant's first indication that something's gone terribly wrong for him/her to see a muzzle flash and hear the sound of gunfire.
As for the rest...simple physics. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I like in the movie Faster when the Rock uses the 454 Casull Snubby and it has no recoil, especially when he shoots the one guy in the head and his head doesn't explode.[ROFL1]
As was mentioned any movie there is not recoil at all no matter how big of a gun.
Anyone remember the "Mini gun" Blain had in PREDATOR, wonder how much that thing weighed and how he could carry that much ammo to fire it that long.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuM6MWXS4pOAs26ZuSaxRX3molKO6kt q3PSxjN4tRyjZ9bciHw
gnihcraes
06-10-2012, 09:31
We had a small disturbance at the neighbors a night or two ago. A Person was asked to leave and wouldn't. Eventually did. No cops, no guns, just someone being senile.
Now the neighbors want CCW permits. WTF? Like that would do any good. Everything happened on your own property anyway. Same folks that told me "The CCW is just going to get you in a lot of trouble!" Also the same fella that said "I was a Cadet with Wheatridge!" Uh Huh, failed the psych test didn't you.
Best comment "Don't you have to wait 90 days to purchase a gun?" um no.
Well, you can make yourself a known target to your potential assailant if you like. Me? I want my potential assailant's first indication that something's gone terribly wrong for him/her to be a muzzle flash and the sound of gunfire.
As for the rest...simple physics. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I was confirming that there was truth that "hearing a pump cycle" can deter a burglar simply as there was a true story on it.
Thinking how a burglar would react that would scare the piss out of me, unless I was more of violent criminal and armed then they just gave away their position to where they were.......................
MYTHBUSTER has done some cool busting. I like the leaking trail of gas being lite and then exploding the car.
I believe they did one where they shot the tank to see if it will explode like the movies................all busted.
As was mentioned any movie there is not recoil at all no matter how big of a gun.
Anyone remember the "Mini gun" Blain had in PREDATOR, wonder how much that thing weighed and how he could carry that much ammo to fire it that long.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuM6MWXS4pOAs26ZuSaxRX3molKO6kt q3PSxjN4tRyjZ9bciHw
The same as Arnold using 2 modified Rail Guns 1 in each hand in Eraser, and he didn't get knocked on his ass either.
................. one for COLORADO alone. I have had several acquaintances that have lived here their entire life ask me If I got a CO license to purchase firearms. Uh what?????
...........or the favorite one from non-gun owners is "Registration" did you register it yet? What do you mean register it? Don't you have to register your guns with the government? Uh, NO. (don't even get in to the whole NFA thing as I fear it will confuse the living crap out of them.)
gnihcraes
06-10-2012, 09:39
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In my CC class they showed a video of a guy wearing a vest standing on 1 leg and shot him point blank to show when shot the bullet doesn't knock you down it's more of a reaction. I always thought when shot you got knocked down regardless. I'm sure most when shot it hurts enough to fall but I am just saying. Another movie thing like said earlier with someone flying backwards when shot by a shotgun.
Has anyone confessed to owning assault rifles? [ROFL2]
Mythbuster did do it.......must have missed that one, very interesting watching it. I love their montage at the end showing all the old cowboy flicks. THe one flying through the window was so dramatic.
Is it me or the death scene acting from way back movies was horrible in those days. [ROFL1]
I have one;
LETHAL WEAPON 3 (i believe)
The "COP KILLER BULLETS" Rigs had a mac-10 loaded with them and shot through the front of the loader and the hit the bad guy..................
BPTactical
06-10-2012, 09:54
.............you saw it in the money last night? What the heck were you doing????[Coffee]
"Money Shot"
Duh![Coffee]
Has anyone confessed to owning assault rifles? [ROFL2]
I hate that buzzword, about as bad as the new "assault silencers"
How did it get to be "Silencer" instead of "Suppressor" I think many non educated gun owners or non-gun owners think they totally make the gun unheard of, literally.............. which is why some are so scared they can be owned or something like that.
If you carry, you are paranoid. I hate hearing that.
It would be interesting to see on myth buster a 200lb "armored" object being shot by a shotgun 2 feet away.............do you think the blast would move the object????
Yes, yes it would depending on the circumstances.
As was mentioned any movie there is not recoil at all no matter how big of a gun.
Anyone remember the "Mini gun" Blain had in PREDATOR, wonder how much that thing weighed and how he could carry that much ammo to fire it that long.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuM6MWXS4pOAs26ZuSaxRX3molKO6kt q3PSxjN4tRyjZ9bciHw
Um, they do make hand held ones. There is a video of FPS Russia firing one, and he is significantly fmaller than Mr. Jungle guy here. Now the ammo thing.....
If you carry, you are paranoid. I hate hearing that.
Um, they do make hand held ones. There is a video of FPS Russia firing one, and he is significantly fmaller than Mr. Jungle guy here. Now the ammo thing.....
.....yeah, I have guns and collect ammo I am a "prepper". I have heard the paranoid comment before from many non gun owner.
I know they make a portable and handheld, but between the ammo needed for sustained fire I can't imagine being able to lug it around.
How about Mr. Bond and incredible killing ability with one round of .380.
funkymonkey1111
06-10-2012, 10:52
The glock 7. Or, that Glocks were made to get through airport security. Or, that a glock is any more or less powerful than any other similar or identically calibered handgun
2008f450
06-10-2012, 10:59
When I was looking for Buckshot for my 20GA a guy behind the counter of a local store asked me why. I explained I wanted it to use in my home defense gun. His exact words " Hell all you need is birdshot. If you hit them with a round of that at 15 feet or less all those little pellets will cut them right into 2 pieces and stop them dead in thier tracks."
So I had to ask where he saw that little bit of info.
" Hell anyone that knows guns knows that all you need is birdshot. Dont even need anything bigger than a .410 really"
So I went somewhere else to buy my ammo.
ChadAmberg
06-10-2012, 11:37
"If I don't get a copy of your drivers license, SSN, fingerprints, and shoe size for this private firearm sale and you go shoot someone, the cops will come and arrest me..."
Rooskibar03
06-10-2012, 11:56
Didn't look through all the pages but I think what amazes me is how movie/tv gunfights can take place inside a car and the people don't go deaf.
I have a LEO client who lost hearing in 1 ear after having to fire his weapon from inside his car.
Hell shooting outdoors with no ear protection is bad enough.
10mm-man
06-10-2012, 12:18
how about angelina jolie goin akimbo w/ 2 HK match 45's[LOL]
Dude that really happened! Angie rocks!
AR-15 = Assualt Rifle 15
Isn't that why COLT changed it to "Sporter" rifle in the later 80's? [ROFL1]
Since movies/shows seem to spread the worst gun culture myths.
What movies/shows have been the most realistic with guns?
I thought Saving Private Ryan was really good for realism.
jackthewall81
06-10-2012, 12:51
E things that make me laugh are shooting and not going deaf, shotguns and pistols with no recoil ( see the walking dead) and unlimited magazines.
Pacman89
06-10-2012, 12:55
since Movies/shows Seem To Spread The Worst Gun Culture Myths.
What Movies/shows Have Been The Most Realistic With Guns?
I Thought Saving Private Ryan Was Really Good For Realism.
Blackhawk Down I Thought Was Pretty Good Too
E things that make me laugh are shooting and not going deaf, shotguns and pistols with no recoil ( see the walking dead) and unlimited magazines.
Are you sure Baseball wasn't involved in any of those? [Tooth]
Those are the worst top three.
Not anything to do with gun culture myths. Why in movies when a lighter is needed someone who does not smoke always have a lighter? [Coffee]
SA Friday
06-10-2012, 12:58
Since movies/shows seem to spread the worst gun culture myths.
What movies/shows have been the most realistic with guns?
I thought Saving Private Ryan was really good for realism.
Michael Mann directed films. He is a stickler for accuracy. He even used a USPSA GM shooter in the first year of his Miami Vice tv series on an episode so the shooting scene could be used in real time.Its the one where the limo driver kills the drug lord and then shoots an off duty cop that trys to arrest him.
Uberjager
06-10-2012, 13:01
I have one;
LETHAL WEAPON 3 (i believe)
The "COP KILLER BULLETS" Rigs had a mac-10 loaded with them and shot through the front of the loader and the hit the bad guy..................
Lol that's another phrase I love. I also love the myth that coating bullets with Teflon makes them pierce armor.
jackthewall81
06-10-2012, 13:04
Are you sure Baseball wasn't involved in any of those? [Tooth]
Oh yeah, the Rockies game is on Root sports and starts in like ten minutes.
Go Rockies!
The loudness of the guns in HEAT were pretty realistic.
SideShow Bob
06-10-2012, 13:04
Are you sure Baseball wasn't involved in any of those? [Tooth]
Those are the worst top three.
Not anything to do with gun culture myths. Why in movies when a lighter is needed someone who does not smoke always have a lighter? [Coffee]
Having a lighter is being prepared.
And on the Lighter subject, a zippo with a 3" flame, (fueled with gasoline, maybe .) and taking a zippo off of the skeletal remains of someone, striking it, and it flames up ? ( The Postman.)
Uberjager
06-10-2012, 13:15
The loudness of the guns in HEAT were pretty realistic.
The only gun goof I saw in heat was when DeNiro did a "brass check" with his p220. The sound of the slide being let go was too loud.
stevelkinevil
06-10-2012, 13:18
A movie with semi realistic gun play is way of the gun
Having a lighter is being prepared.
And on the Lighter subject, a zippo with a 3" flame, (fueled with gasoline, maybe .) and taking a zippo off of the skeletal remains of someone, striking it, and it flames up ? ( The Postman.)
How many non-smokers do you know that keep a lighter in their pocket just in case???? I have them in my Jeep, the garage, my house, but a non-smoker with it in their pocket??? [Tooth]
Hey it was a Zippo ..........
One that I like is Underworld (with only about the hottest woman in the world of course), has those fully automatic pistols (not sure what they are or are supposed to be) that seem to hold about 50 rounds before empty - even though the CLIP (hahaha, had to say that - and yes, I hate when people use that term as well) is an ordinary handgun size. She pulls the trigger for ten or fifteen seconds, just spraying before empty.
And, along those lines, how about in the movies when they "spray and pray" and hit all sorts of bad guys? The way they shoot I could drive my truck between rounds!
Or when they fire autos and they stay perfectly on sights with it - no three round bursts but just full auto to empty mags.
Or how it seems that most full auto shots in the movies appear to be loaded with tracer rounds. First off - yea, whatever and secondly "hey bad guy, I'm over H-E-R-E!"
Or the 90 pound (soaking wet) waifs who are throwing around weapons that a 200lb guy would tire out on - and they never get spun around by the massive recoil (hello Angelina Jolie...)
Just thought of another one that I see Angelina and Kate do a lot (yea, I know them by first name, what of it?)... Loading mags back into their weapon(s) in mid air. I see this on the "super hero gunslinger" movies where the dump their mag, then single handedly put a new mag in just by reaching back behind them and perfectly seating their weapon onto a mag (i.e, Jolie in Tomb Raider, Beckensale in Underworld)
SideShow Bob
06-10-2012, 13:56
I think it was the same movie as mentioned by Ranger, where she had two full auto pistols pointed them downward and pulled the triggers, turned in a circle and cut a perfect circle and fell through it.
Or, seen in several movies, using a firearm to start a fire.......[LOL]
I think it was the same movie as mentioned by Ranger, where she had two full auto pistols pointed them downward and pulled the triggers, turned in a circle and cut a perfect circle and fell through it.
They did that on Mythbusters.
I think it was the same movie as mentioned by Ranger, where she had two full auto pistols pointed them downward and pulled the triggers, turned in a circle and cut a perfect circle and fell through it.
Or, seen in several movies, using a firearm to start a fire.......[LOL]
.............but remember she is a "Vampire" and has super strength, so nothing to her, and she is soooooooooooo fast as well you did not see her change mags several times.
SideShow Bob
06-10-2012, 14:08
They did that on Mythbusters.
Yes, but how many reloads did they do before the platform gave way ? Way more than a single turn of a circle with a single "clip" in each weapon.
.............but remember she is a "Vampire" and has super strength, so nothing to her, and she is soooooooooooo fast as well you did not see her change mags several times.
To be perfectly honest, I had to watch those moves three or four times because all I saw was Kate Beckinsale in seriously tight leather - I didn't even know it was a vampire movie until like the 3rd time! She can be my maker anytime :D
Here is another one I love, the good guy is on one side of the wall, the bad guy on the other and no matter what when the good guy unloads his mag into the wall he will hit the bad guy every single time.
Better still (and this is only mildly related), I love how the bad guys have the gun to the good guys head and have to have this massive dialog about how they are about to kill you rather than just pull the trigger and get it over with - hell, I think even I could escape a deadly situation if my killer just had diarrhea of the mouth about how I was going to die right that moment!
Pacman89
06-10-2012, 14:50
better Still (and This Is Only Mildly Related), I Love How The Bad Guys Have The Gun To The Good Guys Head And Have To Have This Massive Dialog About How They Are About To Kill You Rather Than Just Pull The Trigger And Get It Over With - Hell, I Think Even I Could Escape A Deadly Situation If My Killer Just Had Diarrhea Of The Mouth About How I Was Going To Die Right That Moment!
Come On Thats The Bad Guy Monologue!!!! Its Essential That You Know The Full Backstory Of Why They Want To Kill You [rofl1] Thats The Best Part Lol
AR-15 = Assualt Rifle 15
I know most on this board are aware of this answer and in order to keep my head from exploding, I just needed to post this response:
AR-15 = ArmaLite Model 15
There are many sources for this information, so the next time someone says that AR stands for Assault Rifle: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+does+ar+in+ar+15+stand+for
No offense Wiggity. I know you knew the answer and were just commenting in the spirit of the thread [Beer]
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