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So there's been some talk lately among me and my friends, and it nearly got to a tipping point this weekend... Short story is, my friend's girlfriend (who is a very liberal hippy type- thankfully she's a clean hippy and not a "I don't shower" hippy) asked how my single life was treating me and if I'd met any ladies lately that I expressed interest in. Before I could answer she said "because maybe you should become a democrat and you wouldn't have so much trouble..." I understand she was kidding but it brought to light that a lot of my liberal friends really don't know the difference between a libertarian and a republican. One of the key differences that I see is that libertarians are really all about liberty and freedom- ending the drug war, letting people make their own mistakes without the government regulating every aspect of life, and similar ideas. Granted conservatism is predominantly influenced by christian ideals (not 100% but if you think about it the republican party is heavily grounded in Christianity). I'd like your guys' input on what the difference is between libertarian and republican and how you would define them.
I more align myself these days with libertarian beliefs, but I do think it's wisest for me to side republican for this election...
I'm in the same boat, repub/demo are just two sides to the same coin in my opinion. It sometimes seems they took all of the issues and threw them into a hat to pick who would be for liberty on that issue and split them 50/50. Love it when right types talk about freedom and personal responsibility then in the same breath spew something about dictating the rules of someone else's life. If the republican party didn't have to pander to the middle part of the country's old fire and brimstone types it would be awesome...but it can't because those people having nothing to do but vote so they tend to carry a bit of weight.
Democrats: Closet communists. Liberal and open minded about everything, as long as you don't happen to disagree with their viewpoint, and someone else is footing the bill.
Neo-Republicans: Give lip service to "fiscal conservatism", but continue to spend other people's money with abandon. Unfortunate tendency to want to legislate morality. Also utterly inflexible when it comes to seeing opposing viewpoints.
Libertarians(with a capital L): Lots of pie-in-the-sky optimism, with a naivety that borders on ludicrous. Many good ideas are co-opted by the Libertarian party, but they seldom gain any traction with the mainstream because the Libertarian party is about as organized as a herd of cats on crack.
libertarians(small L): Just want the Fed to stop trying to run their lives, and provide only the services outlined in the Constitution. I put myself in this group. I don't believe the Fed has any business deciding what kind of fat I can cook my food in, as long as I take responsibility for the end results, and I'm not infringing on the rights of others.
RonMexico
06-18-2012, 17:45
Sorry for the typos, I am using my phone.
Libertarians are individuals who Are for less government interaction in commerce and want free markets or pure capitalism, yet they also believe that the government should help out with social programs.
RonMexico
06-18-2012, 17:46
If politics are getting in the way of your dating life maybe u should lay off the subject when you go on dates.
Both Democrat and Republican parties are driving America over the cliff. The difference is that the Democrats are going to get us there much faster.
BPTactical
06-18-2012, 22:32
Politics is like Herpes, you generally forget about it but it occasionally rears its ugly head and reminds you of the screwing you got.
And are gonna get again.
So..........choose one:
D- Gonnoreah
R- Crabs
L- Syphilis
Pick your favorite[Bang]
So there's been some talk lately among me and my friends, and it nearly got to a tipping point this weekend... Short story is, my friend's girlfriend (who is a very liberal hippy type- thankfully she's a clean hippy and not a "I don't shower" hippy) asked how my single life was treating me and if I'd met any ladies lately that I expressed interest in. Before I could answer she said "because maybe you should become a democrat and you wouldn't have so much trouble..." I understand she was kidding...
Last point first. If she is a liberal hippie, no, she was not kidding. Second, what kind of friend are you to let your friend date a liberal hippie? Third, when people feel like commenting on your relationship status, or your current transitional phase, and the commenter is an acceptable looking female, the best retort is "are you volunteering for a test ride?"
Politics are for politicians. The rest of us just have convictions and beliefs that we try to live by.
Be safe.
Waywardson174
06-19-2012, 10:15
thankfully she's a clean hippy and not a "I don't shower" hippy
No conviction in hippies these days.
Republican - Fiscally conservative on matters of social welfare. Spendthrifts in the military and corporate welfare. Wish to increase some freedoms, so long as they align with a particular social agenda that depends heavily on Judeo-Christian ethics. Viable, though flawed.
Democrat - Fiscally very liberal. Want to spend money extensively on anything that is a "good cause". Redistribution is the name of the game. Social equality under the law is not enough, reparations must be made to make sure everyone is actually equal, down to the last penny. Historically, the dominant party in the US since FDR, and the conditions are ripe for them to become again.
Libertarian - Idealist to a fault. Read the Constitution taking every single concept to its logical conclusion, and demanding nothing less. These guys manage to piss everyone off simultaneously while drawing on the best ideas (I say that because I agree with a lot of the platform) from both ends of the spectrum. Not a viable party because the American legislative system does not structurally support the viability of 3rd parties.
Even though Congress could absorb a third party fairly easily, to quite positive effect, the Presidency and modern Administrative state (Over 55,000 duly approved and functioning governmental agencies in the US to date) give too much power to the Executive branch. The voting structure is one in which run-offs are viable. We've melded the two highest offices, VP and Pres, into a single ticket, so splitting the jobs between the two highest vote getters is not longer an option. Even if we did, the VP is almost imputent in his power compared to the Presidency, and little balance would be realized by splitting the offices.
leaving me really loving the Libertarian party but [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang] because I cannot logically bring myself to vote anything but two-party.
blacklabel
06-19-2012, 10:53
...yet they also believe that the government should help out with social programs.
OK, maybe I'm just completely off today but I don't remember hearing a libertarian or Libertarian act as a proponent of social programs. Personal responsibility with minimal government involvement is the idea. Not more social programs.
Last point first. If she is a liberal hippie, no, she was not kidding. Second, what kind of friend are you to let your friend date a liberal hippie? Third, when people feel like commenting on your relationship status, or your current transitional phase, and the commenter is an acceptable looking female, the best retort is "are you volunteering for a test ride?"
Politics are for politicians. The rest of us just have convictions and beliefs that we try to live by.
Be safe.
You're right, she wasn't kidding... Well I guess I should tread a little more carefully. I'm not a good friend, but then again, a good number of my friends are pretty liberal, we just don't talk politics around each other, even though he really doesn't care for politics.
I really like some of the explanations here, and yes, the ship is sinking and the dems are the ones trying to widen the hole the fastest. I would really love to see us be able to get a 3rd party elected, even if it's to congress (don't give me that Lieberman crap, he's aligned with the dems for the most part).
If politics are getting in the way of your dating life maybe u should lay off the subject when you go on dates.
I don't recall mentioning anything about anything dating wise... this girl simply said to me "Have you found a girl yet?" and then went with her underhanded below the belt shot at my political beliefs, I don't discuss politics with women on dates until I know where they lie and after we've known each other for a while.
SuperiorDG
06-19-2012, 11:38
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this is a good way of putting it...
libertarians come in 31 flavors with different toppings, much like the 2 major parties, but if i summarized my personal point of view on my own libertarianism it would be:
believes in less of governement regulation and interference in fiscal policy AND social policy.
I consider myself a libertarian, but registered as a republican. I do see a need for a strong military with envolvement outside our borders which is a big sticking point with libertarians. I also usually vote republican because they have a better chance of getting elected, and are the lesser of the two evils.
Do you know what a Democrat is?
Answer: A Communist in a hurry.
[Spank]Bit of a derail, but I think your friends girl should rephrase the statement to imply that you would get your 'feet wet' more often if you started trying out the liberal / demo meat.
All of my 1 night stands and strictly physical relationships gal had 1 thing in common, their political orientation. So, statistically speaking, 100 % of the gals I have expressed initial physical interest were of the other cut of meat. Have fun, you only live once.
- I side with whoever is least likely to touch my guns n ammo, sadly this year is shapin up to embrace the suck.
Hmm, is she saying Libs are sluttier? And thats a good thing? The hottest babes are not offended by political incorrectness. It actually turns them on. Nuff said.
Here is a good source for information I ran across Ludwig von Mises Institute http://mises.org/, and right now they are doing a 30-day reading list that will lead you to become a knowledgeable libertarian which is both at the von Mises Instituate http://mises.org/daily/6048/The-Peculiar-and-Unique-Position-of-Economics and http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/30-day-reading-list-that-will-lead-you.html
PS there are hot conservative girls out there. Political campaigns and related activities are great places to meet like minded women.
Hmm, is she saying Libs are sluttier? And thats a good thing? The hottest babes are not offended by political incorrectness. It actually turns them on. Nuff said.
Liberals can be pretty slutty... believe me, I've been to shows at Red Rocks this year and if you can get past the smell... [LOL]
I just get pissed when people get all bent out of shape and use "F***ing republican!" as an insult. Really, the term "republican" has become a swear word now? Well to hell with that, I'm going to start insulting people by calling them "F***ing democrat."
Liberals can be pretty slutty... believe me, I've been to shows at Red Rocks this year and if you can get past the smell... [LOL]
I just get pissed when people get all bent out of shape and use "F***ing republican!" as an insult. Really, the term "republican" has become a swear word now? Well to hell with that, I'm going to start insulting people by calling them "F***ing democrat."
in my circles of friends we already call each other liberals when we see the slightest sign of being a bitch about something....
man 1 "that chick is hot"
man 2 "go hit on her"
man 1 "nah"
man 3 "what are u a liberal?"
man 1 puts head down in shame, then walks over to girl. man 2 and 3 laugh
in my circles of friends we already call each other liberals when we see the slightest sign of being a bitch about something....
man 1 "that chick is hot"
man 2 "go hit on her"
man 1 "nah"
man 3 "what are u a liberal?"
man 1 puts head down in shame, then walks over to girl. man 2 and 3 laugh
[ROFL1]That's awesome. Ours is similar- among a select group of my "old Evergreen" friends:
1- "Dude, I'm broke, can I borrow a few bucks?"
2- "What are you, a fvcking liberal? Get a job!"
1- "You're so right..." Walk of shame... [Coffee]
eddiemed
06-23-2012, 07:19
Libertarians are the runt who wants a slice of the pie but the two punk brother are not going the share the plunder.
jackthewall81
06-23-2012, 09:37
OT, but I think my generation y, will introduce the libertarian party into the mainstream media, and I bet, if America hasn't been destroyed yet, that I will see a libertarian president in my lifetime.
HoneyBadger
06-25-2012, 09:25
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http://www.dailypaul.com/232762/why-voting-the-lesser-of-two-evils-always-fails
As long as people continue this practice, the desired "third party candidate" who will restore the constitution will never be a major player, and we are doomed to lose not just our liberty, but our happiness, our freedom, our morals and our ways of life.
Though Ron Paul will not likely become our next president, his principled ideas of liberty are coming back stronger than they've been in the past few decades. Hopefully his influence can reshape the mainstream Republican Party into something that can save our great nation from following the footsteps of every country party to the EU.
As long as people continue this practice, the desired "third party candidate" who will restore the constitution will never be a major player, and we are doomed to lose not just our liberty, but our happiness, our freedom, our morals and our ways of life.
Though Ron Paul will not likely become our next president, his principled ideas of liberty are coming back stronger than they've been in the past few decades. Hopefully his influence can reshape the mainstream Republican Party into something that can save our great nation from following the footsteps of every country party to the EU.
Here we go again... [Roll1]
Abraham Lincoln was once a third party candidate.
When a third party finds an electable candidate, Americans will vote for them.
Abraham Lincoln was once a third party candidate.
When a third party finds an electable candidate, Americans will vote for them.
This! I saw it this year, a lot of people I knew who supported Obeyme in '08 were jumping onto Team Paul this year... he was gaining perhaps the most support in recent times for a 3rd party candidate. I think the american public is starting to grow tired of the two party system, but maybe not enough at a rate quick enough for this election. I'm not saying Romney is the best candidate possible, but he's better than Obamination and would certainly not wipe his ass with the constitution as much. Maybe when 2016 comes around (that is if Obama isn't reelected and we no longer have elections) there will be enough dismayed by the 2-party BS and we can get someone from a non D or R party line to run this nation. I honestly see it happening in my lifetime.
HoneyBadger
06-26-2012, 14:00
Here we go again... [Roll1]
I'm sorry, did I say something I shouldn't have?
I'm sorry, did I say something I shouldn't have?
You are supposed to be a Honey Badger! Honey Badger don't give a sh*t! [ROFL1]
trlcavscout
06-26-2012, 15:41
Most of osamas voter base would never vote 3rd party, partly because they dont speak or read english so the only know obama. The old pickle puffers and fur traders have no interest in middle of the road either. So the only way to defeat the threat at hand is to vote for one of the major players, i know some here will still vote 3rd party and maybe that will make you sleep better?
Lib hos are only for fun, stinky hippys arent good for anything but stinking. Stick a few while your single then find a smart woman to marry.
I'm sorry, did I say something I shouldn't have?
Just the whole "lesser of two evils" crud that we've heard time and time again on here. I grow tired of repeating myself, so I'll say it again- A vote against the republican party this year is basically a vote for Obama. I don't care how you sleep, I lose sleep thinking people are too dense and selfish to figure it out already- The 3rd Party candidate will not win this year. No matter how great, grand, and awesome it would be to finally break away from the two party system, it's not going to happen. You can say "oh Ronin, you'll just vote for Romney because he stands the best chance of winning, you're the problem because so many think that way." Good for you for voicing that, I have not heard that one before! /sarcasm. So many people think that way and won't change, certainly not this year, maybe if they start off early or get a stronger candidate more could get behind and try and change it up for '16, but not for the '12 election so either vote against Obama the mainstream way, or just don't show up on election day... simple right? Well I hate to say it, but I'd rather have an L candidate win it, but back in the real world the odds are so not in favor that you might as well just realize it like the rest of us who "get it." I agree 100% with the whole 'end the 2-party system', don't get me wrong, it's just that the rest of the country isn't on board with that idea just yet and so no matter how much berating, begging, pleading, or telethons you do it's not going to change it with only a few months left until Nov...
Just the whole "lesser of two evils" crud that we've heard time and time again on here. I grow tired of repeating myself, so I'll say it again- A vote against the republican party this year is basically a vote for Obama. I don't care how you sleep, I lose sleep thinking people are too dense and selfish to figure it out already- The 3rd Party candidate will not win this year. No matter how great, grand, and awesome it would be to finally break away from the two party system, it's not going to happen. You can say "oh Ronin, you'll just vote for Romney because he stands the best chance of winning, you're the problem because so many think that way." Good for you for voicing that, I have not heard that one before! /sarcasm. So many people think that way and won't change, certainly not this year, maybe if they start off early or get a stronger candidate more could get behind and try and change it up for '16, but not for the '12 election so either vote against Obama the mainstream way, or just don't show up on election day... simple right? Well I hate to say it, but I'd rather have an L candidate win it, but back in the real world the odds are so not in favor that you might as well just realize it like the rest of us who "get it." I agree 100% with the whole 'end the 2-party system', don't get me wrong, it's just that the rest of the country isn't on board with that idea just yet and so no matter how much berating, begging, pleading, or telethons you do it's not going to change it with only a few months left until Nov...
You just addressed every issue that third parties have.
Exclusive not inclusive, no media exposure, poor representation by their members, inability to exist in the real world, inability to make even the smallest compromise thus sticking with their sure loser.
HoneyBadger
06-27-2012, 15:30
Just the whole "lesser of two evils" crud that we've heard time and time again on here. I grow tired of repeating myself, so I'll say it again- A vote against the republican party this year is basically a vote for Obama. I don't care how you sleep, I lose sleep thinking people are too dense and selfish to figure it out already- The 3rd Party candidate will not win this year. No matter how great, grand, and awesome it would be to finally break away from the two party system, it's not going to happen. You can say "oh Ronin, you'll just vote for Romney because he stands the best chance of winning, you're the problem because so many think that way." Good for you for voicing that, I have not heard that one before! /sarcasm. So many people think that way and won't change, certainly not this year, maybe if they start off early or get a stronger candidate more could get behind and try and change it up for '16, but not for the '12 election so either vote against Obama the mainstream way, or just don't show up on election day... simple right? Well I hate to say it, but I'd rather have an L candidate win it, but back in the real world the odds are so not in favor that you might as well just realize it like the rest of us who "get it." I agree 100% with the whole 'end the 2-party system', don't get me wrong, it's just that the rest of the country isn't on board with that idea just yet and so no matter how much berating, begging, pleading, or telethons you do it's not going to change it with only a few months left until Nov...
Fair enough... but HoneyBadger don't give a SH*t! [LOL]
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