Caution, watch at your own discretion. Cartel brutality.

[jackthewall81]

I hate the war on drugs, and I hate the savages down south that we have created. This is an enemy that we will probably be fighting in the near future, and they have more firepower than the terrorists we are fighting now... Not sure why I am sharing this, but I guess for conversation, and to show the reality of the cartels and the need to know possible enemies, and the necessity for personal protection... Watch at your own discretion, very gruesome, and even made my stomach turn. It involves a chainsaw and a steak knife and a beheading.. Mods delete if inappropriate... Again, don't complain to me if you don't feel well after watching.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a6e_1316873330

[sabot_round]

I'm not surprised at all!!

[Clint45]

Half of the clip is the two victims speaking in Spanish, giving their names and presumably saying what they did to piss the other guys off, but I am not bilingual.

I'm not sure what relevance this has to this forum, though.

[Fentonite]

That was disturbing. If given the choice, I'd ask for the chainsaw.

[Eldorado556]

The lesson here kids, stay the hell out of Mexico.

[waxthis]

Some translation would be nice.. Play by the sword die by the sword I say. I'm sure the two executed were no saints. Blog del narco shows pics with translation with the help of google.

[asmo]

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

[funkymonkey1111]

Half of the clip is the two victims speaking in Spanish, giving their names and presumably saying what they did to piss the other guys off, but I am not bilingual.

I'm not sure what relevance this has to this forum, though.

The relevance to this forum is clear--this is the domestic terror that operates within our borders, and what many of us are armed (and new members arming themselves) to protect themselves against these savages, mang.

[kuench]

I hate the whole Mexican cartel crap and the teenage Hispanics males that live here and admire these POS make me sick

[Novice shot]

Wow!!! Lost for words.... I'm sure as its progresses further north (beyond Texas borders) we'll have to get our hands dirty. Another country we'll have to clean up.

[stevelkinevil]

I have seen this on another forum and wished I had left it unseen, extremely disturbing stuff to say the least. To know that we are playing pussyfoot with these bastards as they freely stroll acrossed our borders make me as ill as the video did.

[Irving]

Some translation would be nice.. Play by the sword die by the sword I say. I'm sure the two executed were no saints. Blog del narco shows pics with translation with the help of google.

What if they were some of the many LEO or reporters that are murdered each year for daring to interfere or report about cartel activities?

[Bailey Guns]

I hate the war on drugs, and I hate the savages down south that we have created. This is an enemy that we will probably be fighting in the near future, and they have more firepower than the terrorists we are fighting now... Not sure why I am sharing this, but I guess for conversation, and to show the reality of the cartels and the need to know possible enemies, and the necessity for personal protection... Watch at your own discretion, very gruesome, and even made my stomach turn. It involves a chainsaw and a steak knife and a beheading.. Mods delete if inappropriate... Again, don't complain to me if you don't feel well after watching.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a6e_1316873330

Ah...glad you cleared that up. It's all "our" fault because "we" created "them".

You probably think it's the fault of the US that Muslims hate America, too?

[kidicarus13]

Wow, that was no joke. Give me the knife or give me the chainsaw, just give it to me first. See the second guy look over after his compadre got the chainsaw? Ehhh

[waxthis]

What if they were some of the many LEO or reporters that are murdered each year for daring to interfere or report about cartel activities?


Could be, and that would be horrible. However, from what I have read and viewed through foreign media, most of the deaths are gang retaliation. Google blog del narco and get the English translation. Just one source, but gives you a good idea what's really going on down there.

[islandermyk]

.. that is sad...


.. the way they executed them... it's like an everyday thing for them.


The guy with the knife hacking away really tripped me out...

[Irving]

Could be, and that would be horrible. However, from what I have read and viewed through foreign media, most of the deaths are gang retaliation. Google blog del narco and get the English translation. Just one source, but gives you a good idea what's really going on down there.

Oh, I know, just saying. A lot of kid's birthday parties get shot up as well.

[JoeT]

It takes a special kind of animal to do that to another human..

[jackthewall81]

Ah...glad you cleared that up. It's all "our" fault because "we" created "them".

You probably think it's the fault of the US that Muslims hate America, too?

No, but we definitely have played a role in it. It also is not all of our fault. Sorry if I did not specify earlier.

[sniper7]

To know that we are playing pussyfoot with these bastards as they freely stroll acrossed our borders make me as ill as the video did.

or the fact that Eric Holder armed them...

[jackthewall81]

The relevance to this forum is clear--this is the domestic terror that operates within our borders, and what many of us are armed (and new members arming themselves) to protect themselves against these savages, mang.

Thank you. That is the only reason I shared it. Scary stuff because of how brutal these dudes are.

[sako55]

That was the most disturbing thing I have ever seen.

[rondog]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of us regular American citizens have to do battle with those scum some day. 'Bout the time they decide they want "Aztlan" back.

[streetglideok]

I hate the war on drugs, and I hate the savages down south that we have created. This is an enemy that we will probably be fighting in the near future, and they have more firepower than the terrorists we are fighting now... Not sure why I am sharing this, but I guess for conversation, and to show the reality of the cartels and the need to know possible enemies, and the necessity for personal protection... Watch at your own discretion, very gruesome, and even made my stomach turn. It involves a chainsaw and a steak knife and a beheading.. Mods delete if inappropriate... Again, don't complain to me if you don't feel well after watching.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a6e_1316873330

These guys were savages centuries before we became a country. This is not anything new, it is merely the latest thing there. For those who think that they are merely importing weed, and the cartels are a victim of the anti-pot establishment, I invite you to re-evaluate the items they import. Coke, meth, heroine, and a slew of other things are smuggled in by the cartels. While there is controversy over weed, I dont think many will argue the need to legalize coke and meth, and heroine. Some of the stuff imported isnt made in Mexico, but the cartels offer the smuggling routes into Estados Unidos for the Columbians, etc. Dont forget the human trafficking portion either. They are merely opportunists, who will move on to the next thing they can market at absurd prices.

Regardless of anyone's stance on what I said, I think it would be safe to say, some of this has infiltraded our country already, and the extreme violence is coming if things do not change. If there ever was a need for guns, this will be it.

[kuench]

Hasn't there also been evidence of them smuggling terrorist (radical muslims) into the US?

[Cameron]

Holy shit!

I know I shouldn't watch shit like this, but I watched it anyway.... I'm moving back to New Zealand.

[jackthewall81]

Holy shit!

I know I shouldn't watch shit like this, but I watched it anyway.... I'm moving back to New Zealand.

I'm going with ya.

[rondog]

These guys were savages centuries before we became a country. This is not anything new, it is merely the latest thing

IMO, it's just human nature to be brutal savages to each other. Men have been hacking, beating, and spearing each other to death since cavemen figured out how to crush each others skulls with rocks. Ancient history is full of slaughter, since the invention of metal and the discovery of making weapons with it. Then gunpowder came along to speed the process up.

But these cartel assholes will be a real threat to America, IMO. And we may have to fight them ourselves, our gooberment probably won't get involved until way too late. And they'll probably come after us as much as the BG's. Just remember that .30-06 M2 ball will shoot through large trees, and .30-06 AP will punch holes in 4" concrete walls! I love to shoot my M1, but I'm building an ammo stash for it as well.

[jackthewall81]

Hasn't there also been evidence of them smuggling terrorist (radical muslims) into the US?

I believe so.

That is also what Act of Valor was about, if there is any correlation with real actions, idk.

[airborneranger]

That was nasty but I had to watch.

[kuench]

I believe so.

That is also what Act of Valor was about, if there is any correlation with real actions, idk.

On a side note I need to see that movie everyone's said it was pretty good

[jackthewall81]

On a side note I need to see that movie everyone's said it was pretty good

It was awesome... Lost of suppressive fire.

[kuench]

It was awesome... Lost of suppressive fire.

Then I'd love it [ROFL2]

[Clint45]

Are you certain this is Mexican footage?

[lead_magnet]

Yes, it's mexican, It's also a little out-dated, the older guy is the younger guy's uncle if I remember right, read a bullitin on this a while ago.

[ray1970]

IMO, it's just human nature to be brutal savages to each other. Men have been hacking, beating, and spearing each other to death since cavemen figured out how to crush each others skulls with rocks. Ancient history is full of slaughter, since the invention of metal and the discovery of making weapons with it. Then gunpowder came along to speed the process up.


This is very true. What makes it disturbing to us is the fact that we are living in a civilized society where are we are pretty well sheltered from the horrors and atrocities that takes place all around the world every day.

I probably shouldn't have watched since I don't deal well with seeing human suffering or death.

Oh, well. I was warned.

[sniper7]

definitely the most disturbing thing I have seen.
heck...I've never seen a dead body in person.

[02ducky]

I should not have watched this either, I don't know how somebody can actually do something like that to another person.

I can only image what the guy was thinking just before the chainsaw hit his neck. People are just sick.

[DD977GM2]

definitely the most disturbing thing I have seen.
heck...I've never seen a dead body in person.

Count yourself lucky. I'll leave it at that.

[DD977GM2]

We already are having some of the violence on our streets especially with the
mexican gangs and ms13 gang. The brutality is just as bad as it is down there.
It isnt mentioned on TV or seems to be covered up. I have family members in mexican gangs
and some of the stories I hear, I take with a grain of salt, but they will make you cringe.
We will be fighting these fucks with in the next 5 years. I honestly have always wanted
to go at those sons of bitches with military backing. Full on war with them with
all the might we have. Wipe them off the face fo the earth.

[Monky]

It just makes me sick.. I watched the video.. I'd like nothing more than to beat the hell out of the people behind the camera. fucking cowards. [AR15]

[Tinelement]

I really wished I wouldn't have watched that.

[sniper7]

It just makes me sick.. I watched the video.. I'd like nothing more than to beat the hell out of the people behind the camera. fucking cowards. [AR15]

I honestly thought the exact same thing and started to type it....then I wondered if these guys raped kids, or something to that effect and with-held judgement. Yes, that is absolutely disgusting and a sickening way to die which made my stomach churn...but that the same time several others and myself have wished a slow painful death on child molesters. I don't know spanish and don't know what they said. that is why I with-held my comments.
Bottom line is it is a sick and twisted way to die, now I question my own previous statements as to whether ANYONE deserves that.

[Richard K]

Fucking animals!

[Irving]

If only Elhuero were here to translate. I could get my wife to do it, but I don't know if I want to show it to her. She is already upset enough about that mess down there as it is.

[sniper7]

If only Elhuero were here to translate. I could get my wife to do it, but I don't know if I want to show it to her. She is already upset enough about that mess down there as it is.

just don't let here see them get the chain and the blade.

I tried putting my talking translator app up to the speakers but it didn't really work.

[Buckaroobonsai]

I've got use to seeing dead people. Seeing them die is a different story...

[Eldorado556]

Believe it or not there are worse videos out there. Same cartels, same brutality. In one a woman decapitates 3 people. All the victims suffer horribly.

At least in European and Japanese feudal history they got your head with one swing.

[Eldorado556]

Best info I could find.From Bestgore.com

The video concludes with following message:

Esto les va pasar a todos los DEDOS, TORRETAS.
According to Google Translate, the meaning of the message is: “This is going to pass all the fingers, turrets“. Perhaps our Spanish speaking friends can provide better translation, but I believe that it’s supposed to mean something along the lines of: “This will happen to all DEDOS, TORRETAS“.
Many thanks to eltarasco for clarifying that “Dedos Torretas” is a way of calling the victims “snitches”. Further thanks to Ed who clarified that the two Sinaloa Cartel members were beheaded by their own cartel as being informants for the cops. That’s why they called them “DEDOS” aka “FINGERS”, as in pointing the finger. These two were snitches which is a transgression punishable by death in Narco circles.

[stevelkinevil]

I've got use to seeing dead people. Seeing them die is a different story...

I hear ya man, as a former LEO I saw some extremely unpleasant things, but always the aftermath, seeing it happen is quite different.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

That was horrible. They're damn animals.

[GilpinGuy]

On a side note I need to see that movie everyone's said it was pretty good

Got it for Fathers Day. Excellent.

[GilpinGuy]

As for the beheading video, I can think of very few people who deserve that. These people who do this are true savages. And they videotape it? Sad.

[theGinsue]

.. that is sad...
.. the way they executed them... it's like an everyday thing for them.
The guy with the knife hacking away really tripped me out...


It takes a special kind of animal to do that to another human..


That was horrible. They're damn animals.


As for the beheading video, I can think of very few people who deserve that. These people who do this are true savages. And they videotape it? Sad.

I agree with all of these statements.

I have a hard enough time field dressing an elk or deer and they're dead already (I go for as merciful ethical kills as I can get), but to do as much to a live human being?

I still maintain that there really is no hope for mankind.

[MrPrena]

This pisses me off.
People like that smuggles drugs into our country.

[sniper7]

I agree with all of these statements.

I have a hard enough time field dressing an elk or deer and they're dead already (I go for as merciful ethical kills as I can get), but to do as much to a live human being?

I still maintain that there really is no hope for mankind.


as for elk, I definitely get the "feel bad syndrome". I feel bad for taking the life of such an animal but am grateful for the meat/sacrifice.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE to hunt. but when it comes to field dressing I am always remorseful/thankful to the animal for giving itself to further my life. Not sure if it is the Native American in me, the human in me, or just a natural brain function, but I am definitely thankful.

[Singlestack]

After watching the Daniel Pearl beheading video years back, I decided to not view videos like that anymore, including this one. Gives me nightmares are is very disturbing to me. Personally, I don't think anyone deserves to die that way, and one would have to give up a lot of their own humanity to execute another like that. That said, I'm all for quick justice and capital punishment, with an end to endless appeals for those convicted of capital crimes.

Singlestack

[DD977GM2]

I still maintain that there really is no hope for mankind.


Trust me on this, there is but to get back to that point a lot of chlorine will need to be used.
I have seen people do some amazing things for others and in general, the majority
of the population are good hearted people that give a damn about other people.
Its the few that create the biggest distortion for a person to view the world as shitty.

[BPTactical]

Unbelievably brutal way to go.
This reinforces something I have tried to teach my wife and kids, only to fall on hard of hearing ears. A little gets through but not all.

"The most vicious and cruelest animal that walks the earth is another human being"

This would make a very compelling advertisement for closing our borders.
Given the actions of this cluster fluck administration (and previous ones)on immigration issues it is only a matter of time before this is an occurance in "Anytown, USA" .
We already see it in the border states.
How long before this happens in suburbia?

[Lex_Luthor]

Damnit. I watched, I knew I shouldn't have too. I have the chills. Ugh.

[jackthewall81]

Damnit. I watched, I knew I shouldn't have too. I have the chills. Ugh.

I warned ya.

[Redcon1]

When rome fell, their military was huge but spread out all over the world. they believed that the gods had chosen them to rule, all while the mongols invaded their borders and slowly undermined rome's authority. Then the smaller, less educated, less advanced mongols invaded and all but wiped the romans out. So I believe that if we are not careful, we are rome and mexico is the mongols.

[Bailey Guns]

Not a lot of things bother me. I'm sure this video would. I made the mistake of watching the Daniel Pearl video.

So I can't comment on the video specifically. However, while extremely inhuman and brutal, this sort of behavior is nothing new from savages. Sometimes the savages are government sanctioned, too. Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Amin, ad nauseum.

The only solution is to kill them. Quickly, without remorse and without worry about what others will think when they are killed. Just find them and kill them.

[hatidua]

I read the warning.
I watched.
I wish I hadn't.

[Ronin13]

That video is very similar to one we watched in the secure facility at Ft. Huachuca- we were warned that it was graphic, all but one female left the room and two males did... it was from a Jihadist cell in Jakarta beheading a guy for being, get this, Christian in a Muslim land. That's all. They did it with a large knife (looked similar to a K-Bar) and took their time with it. Brutal shit.

I honestly believe today, that our money, time, and resources would be better spent wiping the cartels off the face of the Western Hemisphere. We're obviously not getting anywhere right now with entrusting that job to the Mexican government, hell they applaud the lax immigration enforcement here and just allow this to happen because they can't do their job. Perhaps one day we might have troops deployed down there when the Cartels do finally take over the government. I'm no fan of the drug war, but the violence, trafficking (both in drugs and people), and intimidation that these cartels exhibit just makes me think we should stop this crap most Rickie tick! If I was President I would be telling Caulderon to put an end to this yesterday or he is cut off... then I'd mine the border.

[T-Giv]

Phew that was a rough one.

[BlasterBob]

And just think, these types of "people" (if you can consider them human beings) are most likely driving up and down I-25 daily through Colorado.[Rant1]

[palepainter]

I just can not watch these. I honestly do not even have any interest what so ever. Maybe it is because I have a vivid enough of an imagination to see how it is all going to end up. But glad I do not or haven't.

[Cman]

After reading all the commments I'm glad I did not watch the video! The Cartel is an evil machine that needs to be destroyed. Unfortunatly nothing will be done untill it's to late.

[jackthewall81]

After reading all the commments I'm glad I did not watch the video! The Cartel is an evil machine that needs to be destroyed. Unfortunatly nothing will be done untill it's to late.

What can we do? Legalize drugs?

[RonMexico]

They should of resisted and tried to make the guy with the chainsaw fall now that would of been a great video.

[two shoes]

What can we do? Legalize drugs?

Has it worked for MJ yet? I don't know that it would help.

I watched this and as disturbing as it is, I felt anger more than anything. Death and dead bodies have never bothered me all that much. I had watched every "Faces of Death" by the age of 14, maybe that comes into play... IDK. I could not believe how calm both of them were... even while attacked...

If it were limited to just the cartels themselves, on their soil, then let them have at it. When children and innocent others are harmed/killed, then it requires something to completely wipe it out.

I am surprised the US has not employed the same drones used to kill others across borders in far away lands, but has not done so with the border closest to us. I understand the "sovereignty" of a nation violated, but .gov has set the precedence already... Not saying it is right either...

[Rooskibar03]

Ok I finally caved in and watched (wish I hadn't) but my question is this;

What kind of drugs did they load those guys up with. Who can sit and not even flinch as a guy comes at your neck with a buzz saw? I mean seriously how do you not scream as someone is doin that to you?

[Lex_Luthor]

Maybe just knowing that there is no other option for them and they're about 5 seconds away from death is a powerful enough drug. I hope I'll never find out.

[jackthewall81]

Ok I finally caved in and watched (wish I hadn't) but my question is this;

What kind of drugs did they load those guys up with. Who can sit and not even flinch as a guy comes at your neck with a buzz saw? I mean seriously how do you not scream as someone is doin that to you?

I am sure the guys murdered were a rival cartel and they probably have beheaded plenty of other people. Most likely desensitized to it, and accepted it. Just how's how f'ed up stuff is down there. These dudes do not fear death, it is a way of life.

[MrPrena]

My sister would not believe me. I am showing the video to her right now.

[BlasterBob]

Perhaps I am getting to be a real old "candy ass". I watched the entire thing at 11:45AM this morning and suddenly had no desire to have anything to eat at lunch time. Can't figure out why!
This kinda stuff really makes us think what the hell is slithering around just a few hundred miles South of us.
Here's to em [UZI]

[jackthewall81]

My sister would not believe me. I am showing the video to her right now.

Believe what?

[n8tive97]

I really wished I wouldn't have watched that.

Same here....

[rondog]

Ain't watching the video, thanks. Don't need that. But it's hard to stop people like that when this kind of green is flooding in to them.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/misc%20stuff/drugmoney01.jpg

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[MrPrena]

believef it is real or not

Believe what?

[Ronin13]

Ain't watching the video, thanks. Don't need that. But it's hard to stop people like that when this kind of green is flooding in to them.

They say that it's impossible to win when the cartels have (and this is somewhat accurate) an unlimited supply of funding as long as there is a demand. We seize a couple million bucks and they barely bat an eye, they expect to lose some to seizure.
But what about our side? How much can we throw at it versus their nearly unlimited funding? $54.14 Billion in 2011. Seems a wee bit lopsided and I think that money could be better well spent elsewhere, like a treatment program that was quoted to end up costing somewhere in the area of about $14 Billion a year.

[rondog]

Treatment programs my ass. The only treatment programs those cartels need is some snoop-and-poop missions by US Spec Ops teams that sneak in around their bases and leave nothing but bodies and burning shit. A few operations like that might slow 'em down a little, maybe. The only thing that would really hurt them is the collapse of the Dollar.

[Ronin13]

Treatment programs my ass. The only treatment programs those cartels need is some snoop-and-poop missions by US Spec Ops teams that sneak in around their bases and leave nothing but bodies and burning shit. A few operations like that might slow 'em down a little, maybe. The only thing that would really hurt them is the collapse of the Dollar.

It's not for treatment there- I was talking about the only real viable option if we did away with the drug war, treatment for addicts here instead of jail time. If we try to go after the root of the problem- the vast number of American users that the cartels rely on for profit- that might be a bit more effective than no-knock raids, paramilitary style operations, and people being incarcerated for non-violent crimes. Obviously the current way isn't working, considering most high schoolers these days say that it's easier to get a bag of coke than it is to get a 12-pack. Hell, when I was in high school, just 10 short years ago, I could tell you 6 people who you could get pot from and only two people with older siblings willing to buy booze for us.

[Fist_gonzo]

I am sure the guys murdered were a rival cartel and they probably have beheaded plenty of other people. Most likely desensitized to it, and accepted it. Just how's how f'ed up stuff is down there. These dudes do not fear death, it is a way of life.

from what i got out of it when The older guy was talking, he was saying is that he was giving info to The authorities, and how on The last time he was only paid 300 pesos (26 USD). I doubt he was doing it out of being a good citizen, but fuck $26 ?! I bet his family isnt safe either. Pretty fucked up video, im sickened by this

[DFBrews]

/shiver

This issue needed to be addressed 3 decades ago. They are damn near unstoppable now.

[Ridge]

Horrible videos like this: OK
Nipples throught clothing: Ban

Got it.

[jackthewall81]

Horrible videos like this: OK
Nipples throught clothing: Ban

Got it.

Yup, I don't understand it either. We accept violence and reject and hide the beauty of the human body...


Oh and don't ban me, I laid out a disclaimer.

[bogie]

These guys watched Apocalypto one too many times. And the guy on the left wheezing long after I thought he was dead...

I'll admit, I thought I was gonna puke for a second there.

[stevelkinevil]

It's not for treatment there- I was talking about the only real viable option if we did away with the drug war, treatment for addicts here instead of jail time. If we try to go after the root of the problem- the vast number of American users that the cartels rely on for profit- that might be a bit more effective than no-knock raids, paramilitary style operations, and people being incarcerated for non-violent crimes. Obviously the current way isn't working, considering most high schoolers these days say that it's easier to get a bag of coke than it is to get a 12-pack. Hell, when I was in high school, just 10 short years ago, I could tell you 6 people who you could get pot from and only two people with older siblings willing to buy booze for us.

QFT!!!! this war is a massive failure at every possible level. Frankly it's still going on not through some govt. sense of moral obligation but to keep the massive bloated bureaucracy so many .gov folks leach from flush with tax payer money.

[CO Hugh]

Treatment programs my ass. The only treatment programs those cartels need is some snoop-and-poop missions by US Spec Ops teams that sneak in around their bases and leave nothing but bodies and burning shit. A few operations like that might slow 'em down a little, maybe. The only thing that would really hurt them is the collapse of the Dollar.

That is always how I thought terrorist should be dealt with, no deployments, and mass offensives, just people don't wake up again and no press release, the enemy knows what happened.

I am very concerned that this is the culture that has invaded the US and now has been given de facto amnesty. I'm not naive enough to believe it could never happen here but I believe our American Culture is so distinct, and exceptional, that such barbarity could not happen on a widespread scale.

We need to keep our Nation safe, the hell with Mexico's concerns.

I will not watch the video; there is enough evil in the world.

[BigDee]

The war on drugs is a joke as so many others have stated and the war on American drug addicts is an even bigger joke.

Riddle me this. We take a person who has done nothing more than a petty crime or two but has a bad drug problem and put them in cages with people like the people who did what you saw in the videos and we call that rehabilitation?

I grew up in a very rough part of So. Cal. I grew up with a lot of good people and some of them ended up with drug problems. They made a few poor choices and went to prison for them as a result they came out a lot worse than they were when they went in and to top it off they now carry the "felon" brand for life leaving them very few options. The majority have become habitual criminals because it's really damn hard to make it in this world as a felon.

I'm not saying that there will be a 100% recovery rate for addicts. The facts are facts and a very small number of people are just born as bad seeds but our system takes a far greater number of good people and makes them bad apples by forcing them to be caged with the true bad seeds. The longer our current justice system continues to turn good people in to bad ones the longer this crap in Mexico will go on. By fighting the war on drugs we continue to increase the value of drugs and increase the profits of the cartel's.

[DavieD55]

I didn't watch the vids. I saw a couple a while back and i dont enjoy watching those.

Here is an article i thought some of you might find interesting.

NSF: Narcos Expand Networks in the United States (http://nationalsecurityforum.org/domestic-news/homeland-security/nsf-narcos-expand-networks-in-the-united-states/)

[One Shot]

Wow, that's pretty disturbing.. :eek:

[TennVol]

In my current job, I see these videos weekly. You never really get used to seeing that sort of thing. The ones that really get to me are when the executioners are just kids...