Pueblo Tactical Rifle

[Hoser]

Tomorrows match is a go.

Shooting starts at 9:45.

The emphasis is bolt actions, but any rifle semi or bolt, 223 or larger can shoot.

So far it looks like michael_aos, bluker1, Zak Smith, USMC2003, Stubbicat and myself will be there. tc might make a show…

Hope to see you there.

[michael_aos]

Started making a pile of stuff by the front door.

I had it in my head it was AR's this month, so I'll be shooting Outlaw.

Mike

[Hoser]

23 or 24 people amde it out this month. Great match.

Out of there by 3:00 and home cleaning guns by 4:00.

[michael_aos]

I really, really, really like the new format for standards.

And having two squads.

Things hummed along nicely.

Very well done.

Mike

[michael_aos]

cleaning guns

You're supposed to CLEAN them?!?!

[roll]

Mike

[Zak Smith]

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[michael_aos]

I like the new "standards" better.

I still suck, but I still like these better. I need to get better at playing the games. At Weld, I spent way too much time worrying about making good hits, and went waaay too slow.

This time in Pueblo, I tried to go too fast.

Stage: 1 Long Range Rifle 400yd
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
10 Aos - AR, Mike 1 U Tactical 210 140 349.28 0.2004 59.6619 21.31%

Stage: 2 Mid Range - 300yd
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
5 Aos - AR, Mike 1 U Tactical 300 0 235.62 1.2732 217.7527 72.58%

Stage: 3 Rifle Standards
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
Tie Aos - AR, Mike 1 U Tactical 70 0 .00 70.0000 70.0000 43.75%

Combined divisions - These are NOT official results.
Bolt Gun Match 02-25-07
Place Name USPSA Class Division PF Lady For Age Points Stg %
10 Aos - AR, Mike U Tactical Minor N N 347.4146 48.66%

[Hoser]

I wish I knew how 8 mikes at 400 yards turns into 160 points down...

Short of 10 point steel, it just doesent add up. If it is all 10 point steel, it makes one stage worth the other two combined.

Maybe Rhodes just doesent like me.

[michael_aos]

I wish I knew how 8 mikes at 400 yards turns into 160 points down...

Short of 10 point steel, it just doesent add up. If it is all 10 point steel, it makes one stage worth the other two combined.

Maybe Rhodes just doesent like me.

Maybe 10-each for missing and 10-each for failure to engage?

I engaged all the targets, but I didn't hit 7 of them. I was dinged for 140.

Looks like the steel was 20pts.

I wish I'd spent more time trying to hit them instead of moving on quickly.

Mike

[Zak Smith]

I am pretty sure un-hit steel are -20. FTE's should be on top of that.

[Zak Smith]

Short of 10 point steel, it just doesent add up. If it is all 10 point steel, it makes one stage worth the other two combined.

Stage 1 280 pts
Stage 2 300 pts
Stage 3 160 pts

[michael_aos]

un-hit steel are -20

That does sound right, now that you say it.

It's in the rules:


Missed shots, and No-Shoots are scored as -20 points.

[Hoser]

If steel is worth 10, then a miss is always double the value of the target. In comstock scoring anyway.

Makes a miss worth -20. Then, if you run out of time another -10 as added in for every target you dont shoot at, a FTE.

I dont like it, but hey its the rules. Back when I was the match director...

[Zak Smith]

The only issue I see with the scoring is that we end up with a large number of people zeroing stages, which fails to differentiate between different levels of performance in those cases.

[Hoser]

The only issue I see with the scoring is that we end up with a large number of people zeroing stages, which fails to differentiate between different levels of performance in those cases.

Im with you 100%. Maybe you could mention this to Rhodes. I dont think he cares to listen to my input anymore.

Kinda like the AK match. Flash targts at 350 yards? He knew it was wrong and too hard, but did it anyway. Took a lot of the fun out of the match and made it last way too long.

[Zak Smith]

I am planning to, but wanted to have an alternative proposal on the table.

The most simple change to comstock/ipsc scoring to fix this is to allow negative hit factors, and hence negative stage points. This is a trivial change for someone scoring with a spreadsheet, but an impossible change for people using the Windows scoring program.

It is possible to add "X" hits to all people on a stage, in order to push most people out of the "zero" range, but we also don't want to throw the stage points out of whack (because IPSC scoring weights stage points as they are added into match points).

IMGA scoring (which CMG uses) does not have this problem because it is impossible to zero using (fastest time / your time).

[RYAN50BMG]

When is the next one?

[Zak Smith]

See the Colorado Multigun link below: