Park County is in a Stage II Fire Bans recreational shooting WHY?

[Bill]

Park County is in a Stage II Fire Bans recreational shooting WHY?

[Zundfolge]

I think this is the latest thing the antis have discovered ... blame wild fires on shooting and you can ban shooting.

[Bailey Guns]

The Park County sheriff is very pro gun.

[Inconel710]

Ease up on the tin foil, it's f'ing dry out there. All it take's is one idiot with some tracers or some tannerite and we get another wild fire right now.

[Zundfolge]

No, I agree, during these high fire danger times it makes sense to limit shooting temporarily (and this is likely the case in Park). However mark my words, the antis are ramping up to use wild fires as a reason to start permanently banning shooting on public lands.

[BPTactical]

Remember Udalls move to initiate more shooting ranges?
Remember "what one giveth, one taketh away"????

Beware of those bearing gifts, especially pollytickians.........

[Inconel710]

No, I agree, during these high fire danger times it makes sense to limit shooting temporarily (and this is likely the case in Park). However mark my words, the antis are ramping up to use wild fires as a reason to start permanently banning shooting on public lands.

I agree - there's an article on CNN right now with a headline that implies a fire in Utah was started by shooting, but the article never makes the connection. Commenters discredited it pretty quickly.

[BushMasterBoy]

Its the geology! if you hit certain kinds of rocks very hard, they spark! Even steel targets will spark! It just takes one spark...

[flan7211]

No, I agree, during these high fire danger times it makes sense to limit shooting temporarily (and this is likely the case in Park). However mark my words, the antis are ramping up to use wild fires as a reason to start permanently banning shooting on public lands.

I'm gonna definitely agree here. The whole state is a tinder box right now, but the libs will use dryness as areas to limit shooting.

[mutt]

I think this is the latest thing the antis have discovered ... blame wild fires on shooting and you can ban shooting.

I agree. Too many people get their gun knowledge from TV and Movies. Non-incendiary rounds do not spark and are no fire danger. Sensible shooters don't cause fires. Idiots with tracers are a different matter.


Ease up on the tin foil, it's f'ing dry out there. All it take's is one idiot with some tracers or some tannerite and we get another wild fire right now.

Tannerite does not cause fires. Just because something goes boom doesn't mean it contains flash or fire. Tannerite will actually put out any surrounding fires because it robs oxygen from the surrounding air.

[The Heretic]

That's a bummer. I plan on camping off breakneck pass for the 4th. No campfires and now no shooting! What the hell am I going to do with my time!

[Ah Pook]

That's a bummer. I plan on camping off breakneck pass for the 4th. No campfires and now no shooting! What the hell am I going to do with my time!
Go help fight wildfires? [Dunno]

[funkymonkey1111]

i thought when you shot things they blew up--like on "American Guns"

[airborneranger]

One of my infantry companies started a fire on Ft. Carson two years ago shooting blanks. When it is this dry, it doesn't take much.

[The Heretic]

Go help fight wildfires? [Dunno]


Great idea! I sure as hell don't want to take a chance on starting one!

[rocktot]

They are blaming this on a shooting incident. Its for the whole county, not allowed even on the windblown planes with nothing on it.

[Bailey Guns]

I started a small fire a year two ago by shooting into a stump. I had fired several rounds into the stump when I noticed a glowing piece of debris arc out of the stump and land in the grass about 50 yards from the stump I was shooting. Next thing...there was smoke and a small grass fire. We put it out quickly but it could've been a real problem had I been alone. It burned about 20 square feet before we could even get to it.

I think someone had been firing tracers into the stump and one of my rounds impacted the tracer round and ignited it. I don't know what else it could've been.

[BPTactical]

Watch somebody shoot at night.
You will be amazed at just how much potential for ignition there is.

[longrange2]

[QUOTE=mutt;515558]I agree. Too many people get their gun knowledge from TV and Movies. Non-incendiary rounds do not spark and are no fire danger. Sensible shooters don't cause fires. Idiots with tracers are a different matter.


Non-incendiary rounds can cause fires. Any ammo that has steel core bullets (or steel penetrator tips) can spark when impacting rocks or steel targets. The steel jacketed bullets could be an issue as well.

[MattR]

I shot my 50 at night at a rock face with 660g ball ammo at about 1400 yards and when the bullet hit it looked like a firework going off. You don't need steel core or incendiery to make a spark.

[sniper7]

I started a small fire a year two ago by shooting into a stump. I had fired several rounds into the stump when I noticed a glowing piece of debris arc out of the stump and land in the grass about 50 yards from the stump I was shooting. Next thing...there was smoke and a small grass fire. We put it out quickly but it could've been a real problem had I been alone. It burned about 20 square feet before we could even get to it.

I think someone had been firing tracers into the stump and one of my rounds impacted the tracer round and ignited it. I don't know what else it could've been.


Isn't it obvious....you bought some of those inferno rounds![ROFL1]

if you haven't seen the video, google it. the onion inferno bullets. or the flesh shredding ones!

[Bailey Guns]

I've seen that video...awesome!

[theGinsue]

Ease up on the tin foil, it's f'ing dry out there. All it take's is one idiot with some tracers or some tannerite and we get another wild fire right now.


Its the geology! if you hit certain kinds of rocks very hard, they spark! Even steel targets will spark! It just takes one spark...
+1 this.

I was about to post the same thing but figured I needed to read the entire thread before posting for once.

As much as I believe in our right (and responsibility) to shoot, I also think we need to be responsible and take every precaution to avoid becoming the problem. While most of us would take extra measures to avoid starting a fire with their shooting activities, those folks who never police their targets, brass, shotgun hulls, etc. and who love to shoot up trees versus real targets don't put one thought into the possibility that their actions could spark another raging fire in these particularly dry conditions.

A temporary ban makes sense - just so long as they don't turn it into a permanent shooting ban.

[Bill]

[quote=mutt;515558]I agree. Too many people get their gun knowledge from TV and Movies. Non-incendiary rounds do not spark and are no fire danger. Sensible shooters don't cause fires. Idiots with tracers are a different matter.


Non-incendiary rounds can cause fires. Any ammo that has steel core bullets (or steel penetrator tips) can spark when impacting rocks or steel targets. The steel jacketed bullets could be an issue as well.

So do you have a web site for me to check out where a study was done to make this a Fact?

[JlazyH]

That's a bummer. I plan on camping off breakneck pass for the 4th. No campfires and now no shooting! What the hell am I going to do with my time!

Go up and see if you can help someone who has lost everything and stop feeling sorry for yourself.[Bang]

[The Heretic]

Go up and see if you can help someone who has lost everything and stop feeling sorry for yourself.[Bang]

No one feeling sorry for themselves here. I was jokingly making a point on how campfires and shooting go hand in hand with camping in Colorado, or at leaste they always have for me and my family. If you noticed a couple posts later I made it a point to say I would never risk starting a fire in my wonderful state. My mother is staying with me because she is on evac herself.

[KevDen2005]

No, I agree, during these high fire danger times it makes sense to limit shooting temporarily (and this is likely the case in Park). However mark my words, the antis are ramping up to use wild fires as a reason to start permanently banning shooting on public lands.


I would also have to agree. I don't mind a limitation while it is so hot and dry and hundreds upon hundreds of more people working in the wilderness with their equipment to try and control them...

However, I again agree that libs and anti-gun people will use whatever they can to limit our rights.

[MrPrena]

Thanks to mother nature, shooting at national forest is a no go for now.

I won't even bring a laptop [battery] that has 0.001% chance of causing a fire at a national forest.

[Irving]

I once saw a fire at the Boulder Rifle Club, INSIDE, during one of the matches. Somehow, a pile of dry leaves caught fire and flared up high and quick! Something must of ricocheted out of the traps.

[gos]

I agree - there's an article on CNN right now with a headline that implies a fire in Utah was started by shooting, but the article never makes the connection. Commenters discredited it pretty quickly.

Except that according to the newspaper, the shooters themselves called 911 when they couldn't put out the fire they'd created.

[yamaha]

ok I know some one is going to grill me for this example but go for it, I understand the danger I dont want my backyard on fire I live blocks off the national forest and five minuts from the range. but mythbusters showed shooting a gas tank trying everything they can they could not get an explosion or even a simple fire. danger is low but exist I am irritated but will have to get over this I want to shoot my guns and my new unfired 1911 and use my new 22 target dam where is the rain do a rain dance everyone

[MED]

So, where do I go now? All of the places I shoot are in Stage II.

Suggestions?

[Chad4000]

Ease up on the tin foil, it's f'ing dry out there. All it take's is one idiot with some tracers or some tannerite and we get another wild fire right now.


I thought those things were essentially banned anyway... I know tracers are...

[00tec]

I thought those things were essentially banned anyway... I know tracers are...

Regular Tannerite is not banned. USFS consensus is to not allow it during any fire restrictions. The way tannerite detonates does not produce enough heat to start a fire itself. In fact, it removes the oxygen from the area and creates water vapor. Now the .22lr sensitive stuff produced by some places containers sulfur, which can cause fires.

[SA Friday]

I started a small fire a year two ago by shooting into a stump. I had fired several rounds into the stump when I noticed a glowing piece of debris arc out of the stump and land in the grass about 50 yards from the stump I was shooting. Next thing...there was smoke and a small grass fire. We put it out quickly but it could've been a real problem had I been alone. It burned about 20 square feet before we could even get to it.

I think someone had been firing tracers into the stump and one of my rounds impacted the tracer round and ignited it. I don't know what else it could've been.
Heat. Dry wood can go up pretty easy. Dry powdery wood even easier. How hot is a bullet when it comes out of a barrel? I don't know, but I suspect a bullet combined with friction from penetration can be hot enough to set of very dry grass or wood fiber. It has to be just as hot if not hotter than the brass when it ejects out of the gun and that's hot enough to cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns from some guns.

We had a grass fire at BLGC a year or two ago at the 600 yard range. It wasn't incendiary rounds either, just plain old regular rifle ammo.

There is no conspiracy here. The entire Rocky Mountain range from the Mexican boarder to the Canadian boarder is a tinder box right now. It sucks not shooting, but that sucks less than some shooter starting another fire and people losing their home from it.

[XDMan]

So, where do I go now? All of the places I shoot are in Stage II.

Suggestions?

Buffalo Creek Gun Club east of Bailey. Open to the public on weekends for $15 a day. They just improved the short range this winter. Long range is 200-600 yds. Latest club bulletin (out this week) does state no fires, campfires, steel targets or rounds at this time. http://www.bcgc.com/

Some competitions next month. Check the website calendar for these as they will close one of the two ranges depending on what the event is. Web site also has map & directions.

[SA Friday]

ok I know some one is going to grill me for this example but go for it, I understand the danger I dont want my backyard on fire I live blocks off the national forest and five minuts from the range. but mythbusters showed shooting a gas tank trying everything they can they could not get an explosion or even a simple fire. danger is low but exist I am irritated but will have to get over this I want to shoot my guns and my new unfired 1911 and use my new 22 target dam where is the rain do a rain dance everyone

The gasoline example isn't really valid. Flammable liquids ignite from their vapors. The liquid itself is very hard to ignite. Contain the gas in a tank and it's very safe. Wood and grass fibers on the other hand won't disassociate the heat from the source like a liquid will. They are solids and therefore react differently during the oxidation-reduction reaction. Their molecules are not free flowing like the liquids and so the molecules nearest the heat source retain transferred heat and the head accumulates. Also, the liquid stops oxygen from the air getting to the heat source. Solids like grass and wood (which is nothing more than a lattice of xylem and phloem tube systems that are full of air after they dry) readily have access to the surrounding air.

Fuel, ready access to oxygen, retained heat... Fire.

[SpikeMike]

Steel core Russian ammo can spark a fire if you're hitting granite by accident. That whole area up there is almost all granite, not to mention people shooting BP which will throw sparks.

Anything that can potentionally spark a fire shouldn't be used up there right now. Too darned dry. I really do not believe it is a Liberal plot to take away your shooting rights and gun rights, I mean..seriously? Are people that paranoid?

[MED]

Buffalo Creek Gun Club east of Bailey. Open to the public on weekends for $15 a day. They just improved the short range this winter. Long range is 200-600 yds. Latest club bulletin (out this week) does state no fires, campfires, steel targets or rounds at this time. http://www.bcgc.com/

Some competitions next month. Check the website calendar for these as they will close one of the two ranges depending on what the event is. Web site also has map & directions.

I saw that they were open; I need to be become a member...I just haven't done it yet.

[merl]

so all public land on northern front range is closed to shooting until further notice. including pawnee.

anywhere to shoot around longmont, preferably with >100y

[JlazyH]

All dressed up and no place to shoot. [ROFL1]
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/jlazyh/4652.jpg

[Chad4000]

^^ hahaah very cool photo.. wish I would have done something like that