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My frustration has been building over the past few weeks, and it seems people just don't "get it" so I decided to send the CSP District 6 Commander the following:
Major Powell,
I am a concerned citizen who commutes from Lakewood to Evergreen every day for work. I utilize the Mt. Vernon Canyon section of I-70 (From 6th Ave to Evergreen Parkway) every morning. I see a growing issue that I thought I would respectfully bring to your attention. As I understand, it is state law that vehicles must keep right on a multi-lane highway except to pass. I truly believe it is common knowledge that this is the law but it is rarely, if ever, enforced. I would greatly appreciate, to assist with the flow of traffic, reduce incidents of road rage, and increase the general well being of drivers if you and your troopers would make a more concentrated effort to aid in either enforcing this law (along with the minimum speed for the left lane going up the hill near Genesee) or informing the public that this is the law. In addition to this concern, I don't believe every single trucker is aware that this section of the interstate also has lane restrictions for the bigger, heavier vehicles as I see them using the left lane and middle lane when not passing. This has become a central focus of concern and frustration for me. I appreciate all the hard work and professionalism the CSP is known for, and your attention to this matter would also be greatly appreciated. If you have any concerns, questions, or comments, please feel free to contact me.
Very Respectfully,
Ryan C. Davidson
I think it was worded well and respectfully... I hope they fix this issue.
buckeye4rnr
06-26-2012, 10:31
Good luck, you can't fix stupid.
Perhaps they will address your issue, however, it is just as likely they will not. You have made your issue known. I would guess that CSP has a priority list that drives their enforcement operations and those priorities are always superseded by calls for emergency services.
Government can not and ultimately will not solve every issue for every citizen.
Good luck resolving your issue.
Be safe.
JohnTRourke
06-26-2012, 10:51
or
i dunno
you could take responsibility for your own actions and maybe I dunno, leave 5 minutes earlier???????????????
Great-Kazoo
06-26-2012, 10:55
or
i dunno
you could take responsibility for your own actions and maybe I dunno, leave 5 minutes earlier???????????????
WTF?? There is a 20 min delay and you need to be somewhere in 15min...
JTR stop the logic...........
or
i dunno
you could take responsibility for your own actions and maybe I dunno, leave 5 minutes earlier???????????????
You're excused.
Chad4000
06-26-2012, 11:12
I thought it was well written.
driving a lot and seeing this kinda stuff does get frustrating. doesnt matter when you leave sometimes. I drive from Parker to Lakewood everyday and if I leave at 750, I will get to lakewood at either 830 or 915.. it varies everyday. its hard to plan for etc..
Zundfolge
06-26-2012, 11:21
CSP is probably the most professional law enforcement agency in the state, your letter will be well received by them and I'm sure they'll at least look at those routes a little bit more.
Still probably won't fix the real problem (which is stupid people ... a problem that will be with us until the end of time ... will probably cause the end of time).
SuperiorDG
06-26-2012, 11:21
It's letters like this that re-enforce my belief that I would have never made as a public servant. Why don't also write him about this heat?
Chad4000
06-26-2012, 11:23
It's letters like this that re-enforce my belief that I would have never made as a public servant. Why don't also write him about this heat?
lol.. ok that is a little funny haha
It's letters like this that re-enforce my belief that I would have never made as a public servant. Why don't also write him about this heat?
Dear Commander,
The average temperature in Colorado has become unbearable. Having much of the state in flames has not helped matters and I believe it has caused things to become hotter in the areas where there are fires. Please consider turning the state's air conditioner thermostat down so that some of us can get some sleep.
Thanks you [Flower]
It's letters like this that re-enforce my belief that I would have never made as a public servant. Why don't also write him about this heat?
The logic behind it is to raise the issue that there is a slight problem- albeit it's not bad like "Yo there are drunk drivers always driving down Wadsworth just south of 6th"- but the only way someone in the right areas to at least help is to let them know. Yes this doesn't fall into the category of major problems, but when this happens nearly every, single, day it gets to be a bit of a concern when there is a logical, reasonable law that is not getting any attention from those we entrust to enforce it. I understand they are busy and have a job to do, but I'm just pointing out one problem area I would appreciate at least some attention being brought to- I'm not asking them to move mountains, simply letting them know of an issue. If you lived in an apartment and the washing machine was broken, wouldn't you write to management to have it fixed?
CSP is probably the most professional law enforcement agency in the state, your letter will be well received by them and I'm sure they'll at least look at those routes a little bit more.
Still probably won't fix the real problem (which is stupid people ... a problem that will be with us until the end of time ... will probably cause the end of time).
I agree, I've always believed when it comes to LEOs, CSP has always been a cut above. I know it won't fix the problem, but perhaps slow the bleeding a bit? Yes, you can't fix stupid... but I pray that stupid fixes it's sufferers.
I thought it was well written.
driving a lot and seeing this kinda stuff does get frustrating. doesnt matter when you leave sometimes. I drive from Parker to Lakewood everyday and if I leave at 750, I will get to lakewood at either 830 or 915.. it varies everyday. its hard to plan for etc..
Thanks... and yes, I leave every morning at 8:35 to arrive at work at 9, but it is impossible to plan for and I give myself at least a 5 minute buffer...
jackthewall81
06-26-2012, 11:33
I don't see how that is his problem. These are issues that we the people need to deal with and leave government out of it. Otherwise government continues to grow and get stronger because we keep giving them power.
Fentonite
06-26-2012, 11:34
I thought your letter was pretty well-written and respectful, but I don't think it'll accomplish anything. I expect (and hope) that CSP would prioritize the allocation of its limited resources to areas where people drive dangerously fast and cause accidents, and not to areas where traffic is a bit slow, but people just want to drive faster.
Why don't also write him about this heat?
HAHAHAHA
RCCrawler
06-26-2012, 11:38
People plugging the left lane is one of my biggest pet peeves, it drives me insane.
I don't see how that is his problem. These are issues that we the people need to deal with and leave government out of it. Otherwise government continues to grow and get stronger because we keep giving them power.
It's the law, he is the commander of a law enforcement agency in a certain district... I see how it is his problem... Unless you're suggesting I take the law into my own hands- Which I'd rather not do, considering flashing my headlights at slow drivers just gets me the finger.
I thought your letter was pretty well-written and respectful, but I don't think it'll accomplish anything. I expect (and hope) that CSP would prioritize the allocation of its limited resources to areas where people drive dangerously fast and cause accidents, and not to areas where traffic is a bit slow, but people just want to drive faster.
It's not a matter of wanting to drive faster, it's the matter of the design of multi-lane highways- left lane is for passing, if you're not passing and you're going slower than the speed limit (or like in this case there is a minimum speed and you fail to be doing such) you should move over for traffic that would like to do 65-70. I get frustrated when other car's inability to maintain speed going up hill becomes my problem when I get stuck behind them. Just raising this issue with CSP is all I'm trying to accomplish. If nothing is done about this, no big deal, I only wanted to bring it to their attention if nothing else.
CrufflerSteve
06-26-2012, 11:54
The road hog law is relatively recent and not a big fine and no points. I commute on I-25 south out of the Tech Center every day and have never seen someone pulled over for this. Cops, being fundraisers, go for the big speeding tickets.
I was raised in a state where driving in the left lane was a moving violation that carried a stiff fine and was enforced. The highways could carry a much heavier traffic load than CO highways at a higher speed.
It took many years for the state to pass the current weak road hog law and it will probably take a really long time before any improvement happens.
Steve
Fentonite
06-26-2012, 12:24
...Yes this doesn't fall into the category of major problems, but when this happens nearly every, single, day it gets to be a bit of a concern when there is a logical, reasonable law that is not getting any attention from those we entrust to enforce it. I understand they are busy and have a job to do, but I'm just pointing out one problem area I would appreciate at least some attention being brought to- I'm not asking them to move mountains, simply letting them know of an issue. If you lived in an apartment and the washing machine was broken, wouldn't you write to management to have it fixed?...
...libertarians are really all about liberty and freedom- ending the drug war, letting people make their own mistakes without the government regulating every aspect of life, and similar ideas. ...I more align myself these days with libertarian beliefs...
I gotta say, I see a bit of a contradiction in these posts. There are those who are in favor of more government (liberals), those who are in favor of less government (conservatives, especially libertarians), and those who flip-flop as the situation best serves them (......). Just sayin.
I gotta say, I see a bit of a contradiction in these posts. There are those who are in favor of more government (liberals), those who are in favor of less government (conservatives, especially libertarians), and those who flip-flop as the situation best serves them (......). Just sayin.
I don't see any contradiction... I'm not saying they should govern every single bit of driving, but when there is a law, that is reasonable and just, and it's not enforced to the same standards as say speeding (another reasonable and just law) that frustrates me and others. This isn't asking for more government, and I fail to see how I'm "flip-flopping" at all. Now, if this was pertaining to a law (not sure if we have it here, but they do have it in NY) where you had to have your lights on when you use your wipers, I wouldn't care if they enforced it or not, because it's a stupid law. There's a pretty thick line between less government and anarchy.
JohnTRourke
06-26-2012, 12:46
Dear Commander,
The average temperature in Colorado has become unbearable. Having much of the state in flames has not helped matters and I believe it has caused things to become hotter in the areas where there are fires. Please consider turning the state's air conditioner thermostat down so that some of us can get some sleep.
Thanks you [Flower]
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Fentonite
06-26-2012, 12:56
I don't see any contradiction... I'm not saying they should govern every single bit of driving, but when there is a law, that is reasonable and just, and it's not enforced to the same standards as say speeding (another reasonable and just law) that frustrates me and others. This isn't asking for more government, and I fail to see how I'm "flip-flopping" at all. Now, if this was pertaining to a law (not sure if we have it here, but they do have it in NY) where you had to have your lights on when you use your wipers, I wouldn't care if they enforced it or not, because it's a stupid law. There's a pretty thick line between less government and anarchy.
I know you won't see it, but you've just made my point. When you find laws personally convenient, you want them enforced. When you personally find a law "stupid", it doesn't need enforcement. Oh well. Happy motoring.
I think your letter was respectful and level headed. I consider it well written.
BUT
I'm not sure your understanding of the left lane law is correct. The CSP can only enforce the law.
As information on the left lane law-
http://www.coloradodot.info/library/Brochures/leftlanebrochure.pdf
There are other laws that could be used if there is a flow problem.
KevDen2005
06-26-2012, 13:04
Well written. And I think it's good that you have taken the time to at least address the issue rather than just complain about it to people that can't do anything.
I think your letter was respectful and level headed. I consider it well written.
BUT
I'm not sure your understanding of the left lane law is correct. The CSP can only enforce the law.
As information on the left lane law-
http://www.coloradodot.info/library/Brochures/leftlanebrochure.pdf
There are other laws that could be used if there is a flow problem.
I think I understand it perfectly... And that's all I was asking was that they be more proactive in enforcement of the left lane law. I've seen it work in other places very well, to include MA, NY, OH, MO, and TX. In fact, as much as I hate the place, NYS (not NYC) has much better interstate traffic behavior than here. Odd considering that they have more uptight people per capita than here. But in NY the NYSPD actually enforces the left lane law, and it would appear that it's regarded as a law worthy of following vigorously.
Fentonite, I wasn't trying to make it sound like laws of convenience etc. more saying that I agree with and support a law and encourage more active enforcement, whereas there are some laws that we all can generally agree are pretty useless, petty, and asinine that shouldn't be even on the books. I'm not asking for more government, I'm asking for more from the government if they're going to use public funding to enforce and maintain the status quo. I don't want more laws, I just don't want them to fail to enforce a law that does actually benefit people. Did that clear it up? I'm not usually one to say we need more laws and more enforcement, but in this case I would like to see them get after it a little more or at least help educate the public to try and not be stupid or at least just exercise a little courtesy and not be so damn selfish.
buckeye4rnr
06-26-2012, 13:12
I know you won't see it, but you've just made my point. When you find laws personally convenient, you want them enforced. When you personally find a law "stupid", it doesn't need enforcement. Oh well. Happy motoring.
How is this law convenient to only the OP? This is a law that was written to keep people safe from idiot drivers clogging up traffic by getting in a line across all lanes and going frustratingly slow.
I'm not a huge fan of most laws however Germany got this correct with the law that they will pull you over for driving in the left lane and not moving over for faster vehicles. We have similar laws here(maybe not Colorado, haven't checked) but they're not enforced and they absolutely should be. How many times have you gotten stuck behind some toolbag going 10 under the limit to only end up speeding after you're able to pass? Would you still have done that if the toolbag followed the laws and acted courteously by moving over to let you pass?
Yes, speeding is against the law everywhere, but I imagine if they forced people to use the left lane for passing as was intended, fewer people would speed and they could make up for the revenue lost by increasing the price of being a jackass.
I think I understand it perfectly... And that's all I was asking was that they be more proactive in enforcement of the left lane law. I've seen it work in other places very well, to include MA, NY, OH, MO, and TX.
I just came from Ohio and it was just as bad there. The mountains here don't help but I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for parking themselves in the left lane for the duration of their trip down the interstate.
How is this law convenient to only the OP? This is a law that was written to keep people safe from idiot drivers clogging up traffic by getting in a line across all lanes and going frustratingly slow.
I'm not a huge fan of most laws however Germany got this correct with the law that they will pull you over for driving in the left lane and not moving over for faster vehicles. We have similar laws here(maybe not Colorado, haven't checked) but they're not enforced and they absolutely should be. How many times have you gotten stuck behind some toolbag going 10 under the limit to only end up speeding after you're able to pass? Would you still have done that if the toolbag followed the laws and acted courteously by moving over to let you pass?
I just came from Ohio and it was just as bad there. The mountains here don't help but I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for parking themselves in the left lane for the duration of their trip down the interstate.
Thank you! At least someone is not confused, and fully grasped the point I was trying to convey. Many states I've been to have the left lane law (including here in CO) and enforce it pretty well (unlike here). I've done the exact thing you described- this morning in fact- where I get stuck behind a cheesedick doing 10 under and when they move over I went 10MPH in excess as I drove past. This of course was after I gave them a flash where they had safe and ample room to move over an allow me past, and instead of doing so they slowed a bit and flipped me off. Calmer head prevailed and I just waited for him to move over and flew past him.
Fentonite
06-26-2012, 13:30
Fentonite, I wasn't trying to make it sound like laws of convenience etc. more saying that I agree with and support a law and encourage more active enforcement, whereas there are some laws that we all can generally agree are pretty useless, petty, and asinine that shouldn't be even on the books. I'm not asking for more government, I'm asking for more from the government if they're going to use public funding to enforce and maintain the status quo. I don't want more laws, I just don't want them to fail to enforce a law that does actually benefit people. Did that clear it up? I'm not usually one to say we need more laws and more enforcement, but in this case I would like to see them get after it a little more or at least help educate the public to try and not be stupid or at least just exercise a little courtesy and not be so damn selfish.
Ok, when I made myself read that with an open mind, it actually does clear it up a bit. I'm just being froggy because I'm in a foul mood and have to go to work soon[BooHoo]. Sorry for busting your balls [Beer]
Wait until you hit the slowdown caused by the Troopers enforcing this law...pulling cars to the side of the road tends to have a more congestive effect.
Ok, when I made myself read that with an open mind, it actually does clear it up a bit. I'm just being froggy because I'm in a foul mood and have to go to work soon[BooHoo]. Sorry for busting your balls [Beer]
It's all good, I didn't take it personally... cheer up buttercup! [Flower] Like my buddy said (he just got out of the service on medical retirement) "'least you gotta job, bro... I'm lookin' high an low and there ain't nothing for a busted up infantryman."
Wait until you hit the slowdown caused by the Troopers enforcing this law...pulling cars to the side of the road tends to have a more congestive effect.
While this is true, it would help put it in peoples head that if they just followed the rules of the road (the written ones, not the George Carlin 'unwritten rules of the road') and practiced a little common courtesy and thus alleviate some headaches on the highways. I personally drive like a European, I'm only in the left lane if I'm passing, which is how multi-lane roads are supposed to be used.
Road hogs present a major safety hazard to the general public by means of being the number 1 cause of road rage related incidents. There is nothing that pisses me off more than the idiot who decides to maintain the left lane doing well below the speed limit while driving the exact same speed as the idiot next to them.
I take I70 W from 470 every day. And just about everyday there is some asshat that decides to hold the left lane and run 55 mph dead even with a semi next to them making everyone on the highway have to go 55 MPH despite the 75 MPH speed limit.
While I agree with you that this needs to be enforced...I see the real problem being that our roads are not adequate for the amount of vehicles on them. I-25 should be a minimum of 3 lanes each way all the way thru the state. I-70 should as well. In Denver metro (Ft Collins thru Colo Springs) they both should be 4 and probably 5 lanes each way. C-470 should be 3 to 4 lanes each way and regardless of what Golden wants it should be completed to a full loop.
While I agree with you that this needs to be enforced...I see the real problem being that our roads are not adequate for the amount of vehicles on them. I-25 should be a minimum of 3 lanes each way all the way thru the state. I-70 should as well. In Denver metro (Ft Collins thru Colo Springs) they both should be 4 and probably 5 lanes each way. C-470 should be 3 to 4 lanes each way and regardless of what Golden wants it should be completed to a full loop.
This is the obvious root of the problem... either that or we need to tell Commiefornia that their people are no longer welcome here. I would love to see this fixed, but I don't see it getting done with budgetary concerns as they are these days. That's really what needs to happen though. Houston and even that shitty shitty place we call Los Angeles, have 3 or more lanes in the areas that need it.
While I agree with you that this needs to be enforced...I see the real problem being that our roads are not adequate for the amount of vehicles on them. I-25 should be a minimum of 3 lanes each way all the way thru the state. I-70 should as well. In Denver metro (Ft Collins thru Colo Springs) they both should be 4 and probably 5 lanes each way. C-470 should be 3 to 4 lanes each way and regardless of what Golden wants it should be completed to a full loop.
The tree hugger agenda would rather continue to spend the money on a rail system.
jerrymrc
06-26-2012, 15:27
Dear Commander,
The average temperature in Colorado has become unbearable. Having much of the state in flames has not helped matters and I believe it has caused things to become hotter in the areas where there are fires. Please consider turning the state's air conditioner thermostat down so that some of us can get some sleep.
Thanks you, Muffy, P.S. I just moved here from California. [Flower]
FIFY. [Coffee]
FIFY. [Coffee]
Wait was that implying I'm from CA? Careful, I might take offense to that. And on a side note, it is a bit- what's the word- underhanded (toned down from what I wanted to really say) to imply that submitting a letter to CSP just asking if they can either A) try if possible to enforce a law a bit more OR B) assist in educating the public about the existence of said law more is somehow akin to asking the "powers that be" to do something about the weather. I dunno, but that seems like a ludicrous leap to me... kinda reminds me of some of the stuff that gets thrown around in 3rd grade classrooms when one kid attempts to pick on another. <--IE: the word Stupid does come to mind in describing said leap.
StagLefty
06-26-2012, 15:56
Dear Commander,
The average temperature in Colorado has become unbearable. Having much of the state in flames has not helped matters and I believe it has caused things to become hotter in the areas where there are fires. Please consider turning the state's air conditioner thermostat down so that some of us can get some sleep.
Thanks you [Flower]
The Weather Channel is in charge of that particular thermostat [ROFL1]
Uberjager
06-26-2012, 17:38
I bet that went straight from inbox to trash lol.
Maybe they have issues like fires and dui and speeding and drug trafficing that they are dealing with.
There are more people in the state and it IS the summer time where people are on vacation and not worried about your 5 minutes because they are on day long trips. Why don't you maneuver around them? If you can't because traffic is that contested then do some PLANNING and leave sooner.
Besides, if you are late is your dad going to fire you? Or will all the bandwidth get sucked up when the female coworker with the streaming radio gets there ahead of you and listens to some morning tunes?
Great-Kazoo
06-26-2012, 18:26
Here's how you resolve the issue that day, IF you see a potential situation on the road.
*277
It's all good, I didn't take it personally... cheer up buttercup! [Flower] Like my buddy said (he just got out of the service on medical retirement) "'least you gotta job, bro... I'm lookin' high an low and there ain't nothing for a busted up infantryman."
While this is true, it would help put it in peoples head that if they just followed the rules of the road (the written ones, not the George Carlin 'unwritten rules of the road') and practiced a little common courtesy and thus alleviate some headaches on the highways. I personally drive like a European, I'm only in the left lane if I'm passing, which is how multi-lane roads are supposed to be used.
Yep, Europeans are typically much more courteous on the roadways...they also have more stringent driver training. They don't give a license to every idiot that thinks they can drive...they make them prove it.
rockhound
06-26-2012, 20:05
whew now we can all relax cause this letter is gonna fix it.
i understand needing to get things off your chest, but nothing will change
Byte Stryke
06-27-2012, 00:22
sad to say, that dog won't hunt.
Ive chased it all of the way to the Senate.
SenLoisTochtrop@aol.com
Mar 19
to me
Guy, I was informed by a representative of the Colorado State Patrol that you had been contacted in regard to your questions about traffic problems across the metro area. I hope your issue has been resolved. Feel free to contact me at any time.
Lois
In a message dated 3/8/2012 2:27:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Byte Stryke writes:
I am talking about giving the law itself more teeth. the troopers we have are fine. if the penalties were higher for this infraction I think more people would follow the law, officers would write more tickets for it as it would generate more revenue.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM, <SenLoisTochtrop@aol.com> wrote:
Legislation has been passed in this regard. Unfortunately, with recession we are unable to hire more State Troopers to ensure enforcement. The state's revenue shortfalls are definitely the cause of much grief for Colorado residents.
Lois
In a message dated 3/7/2012 11:26:51 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Byte Stryke writes:
Senator,
Being a Highway commuter(Thornton-Peterson AFB) I often see allot of people disregarding/in blatant violation of CRS 42-4-1013.
A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-five miles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles that are in a nonpassing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic does not permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a nonpassing lane.
This often causes backups for miles, people attempting to pass on the right and I see our highway patrol officers doing nothing. I often wonder if we could get more "teeth" on this law if it would help the officers and the people of Colorado.
I am sure if the law had a sharper penalty to it more people would see it worth following and safety would be increased on our highways.
you attention is always appreciated,
Thank you,
Byte Stryke
Essentially I got the same thing everyone in Colorado is getting righ now
allot of hot air and allot of smoke....
too soon?
never stop believing you can make a difference. and PLEASE Keep barking at them. The squeaky wheel either gets grease or it gets replaced. ;)
GilpinGuy
06-27-2012, 01:16
I know that the "stay right unless to pass" signs are generally ignored, but DO NOT IGNORE the one on the way to Black Hawk up HWY 6.
There is one in particular, the second one up from Golden, that the CSP cheese likes to monitor and dole out $ generating tickets. I know a few folks who have gotten tix for this - simply driving in the left lane with nobody to pass, just driving. Just an excuse for a $ generating ticket. We wonder why some of us don"t trust them...
If you see one of the "stay right except to pass" signs in Clear Creek Canyon, don't do it at your risk of giving the co.gov more $$.do
Driving back up after seeing a movie last night from Denver West and I-70 to Evergreen Parkway, there were several cars behind me (with very light traffic) camped out in the left lane the entire way up the hill... I think enforcement is a very small part of the problem, but like stated before, stupid people and their stupid habits. Sometimes I think if I was a cop I would take it upon myself to write tickets for people being stupid (not literally, just saying when stupid people show off their stupidity and break the law, like the one in this topic) and hopefully aid them in changing their bad habits. When a habit gets to be too expensive you eventually force yourself to lose it. [Beer]
buckeye4rnr
06-27-2012, 13:24
Police really should enforce more of those "idiot" laws. Another good one is people on bikes who completely disregard the rules of the road when they're riding, get this, IN THE ROAD.
Some moron today rolled through a red light then just carried on like she's not subject to the same rules as cars. That shit really grinds my gears because it causes people to hate cyclists and makes me worry that I'll be the victim of road rage next time I'm riding because some other cyclist pissed off the driver of an SUV.
I think you'd be better off printing a few hundred and posting them around Wyoming. (those who drive the I25 corridor will understand)
mevshooter
06-29-2012, 20:34
I had to drive to Breckenridge for a delivery today. I counted somewhere between 8-10 times going up the mountain, and back down, when semis using the left lane took the speed limit from 65 down to 35.
And how about the semi who literally STOPPED halfway in the left hand lane/half way on the left hand shoulder to jump out and check his tarp. 65 to 25 in about 7 seconds... I still can't believe he didn't cause an accident.
And not to mention all of the other chuckle heads going 50 in the left lane.
Ronin, I'm with you. This is a RIDICULOUS problem. One that CAUSES a heck of a lot more accidents than speeding does.
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