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Zundfolge
06-26-2012, 16:00
Source (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/062412-news-camouflage-fiasco-1-5/)


NATICK, Mass. — The Army is changing clothes.

Over the next year, America’s largest fighting force is swapping its camouflage pattern. The move is a quiet admission that the last uniform — a pixelated design that debuted in 2004 at a cost of $5 billion — was a colossal mistake.

Soldiers have roundly criticized the gray-green uniform for standing out almost everywhere it’s been worn. Industry insiders have called the financial mess surrounding the pattern a “fiasco.”

As Army researchers work furiously on a newer, better camouflage, it’s natural to ask what went wrong and how they’ll avoid the same missteps this time around. In a candid interview with The Daily, several of those researchers said Army brass interfered in the selection process during the last round, letting looks and politics get in the way of science.

“It got into political hands before the soldiers ever got the uniforms,” said Cheryl Stewardson, a textile technologist at the Army research center in Natick, Mass., where most of the armed forces camouflage patterns are made.

The researchers say that science is carrying the day this time, as they run four patterns through a rigorous battery of tests. The goal is to give soldiers different patterns suitable for different environments, plus a single neutral pattern — matching the whole family — to be used on more expensive body armor and other gear. The selection will involve hundreds of computer trials as well on-the-ground testing at half a dozen locations around the world.

But until the new pattern is put in the field — a move that’s still a year or more away — soldiers in Afghanistan have been given a temporary fix: a greenish, blended replacement called MultiCam. The changeover came only after several non-commissioned officers complained to late Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, and he took up the cause in 2009. Outside of Afghanistan, the rest of the Army is still stuck with the gray Universal Camouflage Pattern, or UCP. And some soldiers truly hate it.

“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra. “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”

The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.

“As a cavalry scout, it is my job to stay hidden. Wearing a uniform that stands out this badly makes it hard to do our job effectively,” he said. “If we can see our own guys across a distance because of it, then so can our enemy.”

The fact that the government spent $5 billion on a camouflage design that actually made its soldiers more visible — and then took eight years to correct the problem — has also left people in the camouflage industry incensed. The total cost comes from the Army itself and includes the price of developing the pattern and producing it for the entire service branch.

“You’ve got to look back and say what a huge waste of money that was,” said Lawrence Holsworth, marketing director of a camouflage company called Hyde Definition and the editor of Strike-Hold!, a website that tracks military gear. “UCP was such a fiasco.”

The Army’s camouflage researchers say the story of the universal pattern’s origins begins when they helped develop a similarly pixilated camouflage now worn by the Marine Corps. That pattern, known as MARPAT, first appeared in 2002 after being selected from among dozens of candidates and receiving plenty of input from Marines on the ground at the sniper school in Quantico, Va. The Marines even found one of the baseline colors themselves, an earth tone now called Coyote Brown.

“They went to Home Depot, looked at paint swatches, and said, ‘We want that color,’ ” said Anabelle Dugas, a textile technologist at Natick who helped develop the pattern. That particular hue, she added, was part of a paint series then sold by Ralph Lauren.

Around the same time, the Army was on the hunt for a new camouflage pattern that could solve glaring logistical problem on the ground in Iraq. Without enough desert-specific gear to go around, soldiers were going to war in three-color desert fatigues but strapping dark green vests and gear harness over their chests. At rifle distances, the problem posed by the dark gear over light clothing was as obvious as it was distressing.

Kristine Isherwood, a mechanical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team, said simply, “It shows where to shoot.”

The Army researchers rushed to put new camouflages to the test — several in-house designs and a precursor of MultiCam developed by an outside company. The plan was to spend two years testing patterns and color schemes from different angles and distances and in different environments. The Army published results of the trials in 2004, declaring a tan, brushstroke pattern called Desert Brush the winner — but that design never saw the light of day.

The problem, the researchers said, was an oddly named branch of the Army in charge of equipping soldiers with gear — Program Executive Office Soldier — had suddenly ordered Natick’s camouflage team to pick a pattern long before trials were finished.

“They jumped the gun,” said James Fairneny, an electrical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team.

Researchers said they received a puzzling order: Take the winning colors and create a pixilated pattern. Researchers were ordered to “basically put it in the Marine Corps pattern,” Fairneny said.

For a decision that could ultimately affect more than a million soldiers in the Army, reserves and National Guard, the sudden shift from Program Executive Office Soldier was a head-scratcher. The consensus among the researchers was the Army brass had watched the Marine Corps don their new uniforms and caught a case of pixilated camouflage envy.

“It was trendy,” Stewardson said. “If it’s good enough for the Marines, why shouldn’t the Army have that same cool new look?”

The brigadier general ultimately responsible for the decision, James Moran, who retired from the Army after leaving Program Executive Office Soldier, has not responded to messages seeking comment.

It’s worth noting that, flawed as it was, the universal pattern did solve the problem of mismatched gear, said Eric Graves, editor of the military gear publication Soldier Systems Daily, adding that the pattern also gave soldiers a new-looking uniform that clearly identified the Army brand.

“Brand identity trumped camouflage utility,” Graves said. “That’s what this really comes down to: ‘We can’t allow the Marine Corps to look more cool than the Army.’ ”

Erik.German@thedaily.com
@ErikJGerman



Only place it actually works:

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/files/2009/06/acu-couch.jpg

Guylee
06-26-2012, 16:08
ACUs suck. I'm glad the Army's switching, but multicams kick ass and they should just issue those imho. It's already the preferred uniform, they just don't make it standard issue because there isn't enough to go around.

Veritas
06-26-2012, 16:15
My brother is with the 101st and he sent me a pair of the multicams. They're really nice, especially compared to the ACU's.

Ronin13
06-26-2012, 16:28
ACUs suck. I'm glad the Army's switching, but multicams kick ass and they should just issue those imho. It's already the preferred uniform, they just don't make it standard issue because there isn't enough to go around.

My deployment- ACUs... 5 months after I get out my old unit gets issued Multicam for their next deployment to AFG... [Bang] I always said ACU was a terrible pattern.

hghclsswhitetrsh
06-26-2012, 16:53
Time to move to mossy oak break up.

HBARleatherneck
06-26-2012, 16:56
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Aardvark
06-26-2012, 17:44
ACU is great camouflage...when standing next to the current Air Force cammies. For those that wear the ACUs: can they be dyed easily? I like the design for comfort when hiking, biking, etc and think if they were dyed with more green/brown they'd be good.

OneGuy67
06-26-2012, 17:46
Great news. I do hope they change the damn velcro crap as well. I want buttons!!!!

Danimal
06-26-2012, 18:49
I think that the ACU's work great in the sagebrush on the western slope. I have used mine for archery hunting a couple of times over there and I think that I blend in great. I have yet to kill an elk with a bow though... so maybe they do suck. I always chalked it up to my sub-par land navigation skills. But now I am thinking it must be the camo, damn you ACU!!

Danimal
06-26-2012, 18:53
I don't know why they even try to create a "universal pattern". What a stupid idea for a country that acts as the worlds police. The military in Singapore had digicam that is almost Kawasaki green, and it works great all over their entire country. But for us it makes no sense to develop a universal pattern.

glenncal1
06-26-2012, 18:53
This is the same thinking that had the air force instead of replacing the training airplanes at the Academy with new Cessnas (old planes were Cessnas) purchased some crap from the UK, which killed a few people and now sit in some hangar somewhere.

Scanker19
06-26-2012, 18:55
Great news. I do hope they change the damn velcro crap as well. I want buttons!!!!

Why? Velcro is really quiet.

What was wrong with the DCU and BDU, change the cut, go back to those two patterns, we still have plenty of stock left, and most people buy their own pouches anyways. Color will not change poor design.

The military could fuck up a wet dream.

Danimal
06-26-2012, 19:05
Thank God I got out in in 2009 before the navy jumped into the stupidity. I bet that they are pissed that it is changing 2 years after they adopted uniforms that serve no purpose in the first place.

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu288/harthand/ACU.jpg

Scanker19
06-26-2012, 19:15
Thank God I got out in in 2009 before the navy jumped into the stupidity. I bet that they are pissed that it is changing 2 years after they adopted uniforms that serve no purpose in the first place.

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu288/harthand/ACU.jpg

Why do they have cammo? I can see Corpsmen, and other ground pounders, but why on a ship?

airborneranger
06-26-2012, 19:36
Why do they have cammo? I can see Corpsmen, and other ground pounders, but why on a ship?

To hide from work.

KevDen2005
06-26-2012, 20:33
Great news. I do hope they change the damn velcro crap as well. I want buttons!!!!


You're so old school you probably had a plain olive drab uniform at one point...

[ROFL1]

KevDen2005
06-26-2012, 20:33
Why do they have cammo? I can see Corpsmen, and other ground pounders, but why on a ship?


I can't believe the navy switched to this. It looks absolutely horrible. I saw a guy in Aurora wearing it and I thought he was a Russian...

Someone agree with me here that it looks like a camo patter the Russians had.

KevDen2005
06-26-2012, 20:36
I would also like to go on record here. When the Army was switching to this uniform, I was a specialist about to be sergeant with no combat experience...zero...and I said, that looks like it would never work. I mean, if a guy that never had a need for camo knows it won't work, then what was everyone else thinking?

And, does this mean the Air Force will switch too. Don't they just have the same colors but in tiger stripe?

SA Friday
06-26-2012, 21:29
I would also like to go on record here. When the Army was switching to this uniform, I was a specialist about to be sergeant with no combat experience...zero...and I said, that looks like it would never work. I mean, if a guy that never had a need for camo knows it won't work, then what was everyone else thinking?

And, does this mean the Air Force will switch too. Don't they just have the same colors but in tiger stripe?
I hope so. ABUs suck donkey balls. We wouldn't use them in Iraq and Afghanistan. We were wearing tan nomex suits or 5.11s and XGO brand shirts. Nobody has mentioned this yet, but there is a lot of synthetic fiber in both the Army and AF new 'shoot here' uniforms. My old command learned the hard way what they do in explosions. It's like wearing fricken napalm that hasn't been lit yet.

I recommended to the AF use something similar to multi cam three times during the development and fielding of the ABU fiasco... The AF had their own personal hard on for identity during the uniform rush. Decisions being made by overpaid Generals that refused to acknowledge the AF actually has ground combatants in their branch. They were more concerned about the uniform not requiring ironing, it having AF blue in it, and bullet statements for their Fn OPRs. Wasn't a god-damned thing wrong with the BDU and DCU patterns.

One of the best uniforms I saw in my active time was the BDUs the Army chopper pilots used in Korea. They were BDU, but the colors looked like a normal uniform had been washed in a mud colored stain.

WHY can't they just beta test all future camo with the sniper units? They will tell you in a week if they are good or suck or if need a tweak somewhere.

BTW, Fatigues were in use my first two years active. I would take fatigues over the ABU in a heartbeat.

The Heretic
06-26-2012, 22:23
I think A-TACS will ultimately come out on top. Ive been wearing it for the past 8 months and wont wear anything else.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/heretic1975/atacs.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/heretic1975/A-TACS-Danner-TFX-1.jpg

OneGuy67
06-26-2012, 22:36
You're so old school you probably had a plain olive drab uniform at one point...

[ROFL1]

I got BDU's in basic, but we had pickle suits still at that time...thanks for making me feel old, Kevin! [Tooth]

Fmedges
06-26-2012, 23:08
Marpat > Other branches

mcantar18c
06-26-2012, 23:23
I think A-TACS will ultimately come out on top. Ive been wearing it for the past 8 months and wont wear anything else.

Word is Rgt (and I would assume the rest of USASOC too) is gonna be wearing these by next year and the rest of the Army is gonna switch to Multis. You know how accurate the "word on the street" is though.
Personally I really like the design, from the pics I've seen it seems to work pretty well.

spyder
06-27-2012, 07:47
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/a-tacs-1.jpg
I've wondered why they never switched to this...

mcantar18c
06-27-2012, 08:01
I've wondered why they never switched to this...

Money.

Scanker19
06-27-2012, 08:09
Multicam and Atacs are designer stuff. Sounds expensive and it is expensive, but the army already has and is issuing Mulitcam so how much more would it cost to design yet another pattern. They make my brain hurt.

stevelkinevil
06-27-2012, 08:29
Multicam and Atacs are designer stuff. Sounds expensive and it is expensive, but the army already has and is issuing Mulitcam so how much more would it cost to design yet another pattern. They make my brain hurt.

Exactly, multicam is an excellent patern and the soldiers love it, it will cost 10x as much and take 10x as long to develop a new pattern than to just continue issuing multicam

Ronin13
06-27-2012, 09:28
Marpat > Other branches

I agree here... our combined ops pre-deployment (in country) training at Bagram was with a Marine unit, and they were wearing the desert Marpat- we were, what's the word the kids use these days? 'so jelly!' My rifle case for my AR is Marpat, everyone who asks me "Oh you were in the marines?" I just say 'nope, army, but I'm smart enough to realize a better pattern.' My shooting bag is still my old ACU assault pack though. [Bang]

SpikeMike
06-27-2012, 09:35
I still prefer my old tiger stripe BDUs. I have some older ones with a little fading that blend very well, even here in Colorado... just saying

SpikeMike
06-27-2012, 09:38
You're so old school you probably had a plain olive drab uniform at one point...

[ROFL1]

Now wait a minute!!! I had Olive drab when I went in in 1974 at Ft. Dix. Does this make me old? eeekkk I guess it does

[M2]

Ronin13
06-27-2012, 10:26
Now wait a minute!!! I had Olive drab when I went in in 1974 at Ft. Dix. Does this make me old? eeekkk I guess it does

[M2]

Wait, the Army had single color uniforms at one time! What were they thinking! [Coffee]

My old 1SG in basic was one of 3 senior NCOs left in the army who was a Vietnam, Panama, Desert Storm, AND Enduring Freedom veteran. He retired pretty much right after our class graduated. He said he'd been through 3 uniform changes in his career and that it was 1 too many... very outspoken against the ACU pattern.

BREATHER
06-27-2012, 10:32
I guess someone should investigate whose bank account grew due to this nonsense...

pookawa
06-27-2012, 14:02
5 BILLION wasted, and not a single GO is named (much less penalized or,heaven forbid, given a negative review on their 'competance')... here's my shock face :|

too bad Joe has to pay for this mistake (in funds that could have been used in training).

Buckaroobonsai
06-27-2012, 17:04
I actually like the ACU. Back in my Army days, it didn't really matter what you were wearing to the enemy, as they usually heard your vehicles coming a mile away, or where already under attack by the time they saw you. Sure, we re-painted our vehicles as needed, but we were still wearing OD Green or Woodland Camo BDU's, up until the very end of my career when finally the "chocolate chips" came out. I think the design has come a long way though as far as fit and function. I think they should keep working on a more comfortable and functional design, then just make them in all white. That way you could issue it for winter combat as is, or just dye them and re-dye them whatever shade you needed to match the country side where you going to, kind of like the vehicles. Of course, it's allot easier "blending in" when you've got vegetation for concealment. Not so much the case with today's urban/desert campaigns. Even so, camoflauge of any type only works when you're sitting still, waiting to ambush. The second you move, the jig is up. Another reason why I really liked night ops, using nature's "ultimate" camoflauge!

OneGuy67
06-27-2012, 17:34
I actually like the ACU.

You would definitely be in the minority! [Coffee]

jreifsch80
06-27-2012, 17:39
maybe the army could just buy surplus flecktarn and troppentarn haha

flan7211
06-27-2012, 17:39
maybe the army could just buy surplus flecktarn and troppentarn haha


VSR!!!

Buckaroobonsai
06-27-2012, 17:41
Yeah, pretty much used to that already! Besides, ACU looks MUCH hipper than chocolate chip ever did! Although, I did look pretty dashing in woodland BDU'S. It's all about impressing the chicks when you went into town.

[Tooth]


You would definitely be in the minority! [Coffee]

KevDen2005
06-27-2012, 17:50
I was thinking about taking one of my many brand new sets of ACU's...all issued when they came out but never had to wear them...and making a ghillie suit out a set. I have all the materials still from when I was on active duty. I think it would be okay.

Buckaroobonsai
06-27-2012, 17:53
...or sell them to me if they're the right size!


I was thinking about taking one of my many brand new sets of ACU's...all issued when they came out but never had to wear them...and making a ghillie suit out a set. I have all the materials still from when I was on active duty. I think it would be okay.

KevDen2005
06-27-2012, 17:59
...or sell them to me if they're the right size!


I camp in them and I do yard work in them so I still wear them to an extent...mainly the shirts I don't wear.

Scanker19
06-27-2012, 18:01
I had a BBQ with mine.

FireMoth
06-27-2012, 18:03
If you dye ACU darker green, it actually is a fair woodland camo. Better than throwing it away

Buckaroobonsai
06-27-2012, 18:13
How funny. We've come full circle. Right back to woodland camo!

[Coffee]


If you dye ACU darker green, it actually is a fair woodland camo. Better than throwing it away

Rucker61
06-27-2012, 18:19
Wait, the Army had single color uniforms at one time! What were they thinking! [Coffee]

My old 1SG in basic was one of 3 senior NCOs left in the army who was a Vietnam, Panama, Desert Storm, AND Enduring Freedom veteran. He retired pretty much right after our class graduated. He said he'd been through 3 uniform changes in his career and that it was 1 too many... very outspoken against the ACU pattern.

They should bring back khakis for garrison wear. Those were great.

HBARleatherneck
06-27-2012, 18:38
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