View Full Version : My house got vandalized because of my religious beliefs
bellavite1
06-30-2012, 19:26
So, we come back home from breakfast, this morning, and we find out that our "VOTE SATAN" sign, hanging on our ront porch, has been vandalized.
BEFORE
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q358/bellavite1/2012-05-19155708-1.jpg
AFTER
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q358/bellavite1/2012-06-30135122.jpg
Basically somebody waited for us to leave, got on our front porch with a knife, climbed to reach the sign and cut it off.
We already filed a report for hate crimes with our local police department and I am considering security cameras probably 1 on each side of the house.
Is anybody in the forum in the security business?
What can I expect to spend?
Zundfolge
06-30-2012, 19:31
I bet you could get by with a couple of motion activated "game cameras"
islandermyk
06-30-2012, 19:31
I vote on investing on a tower or a ghillie suit...
... wouldn't it be something catching them in the act...
.... well, I guess you can do that with camera's too...
bellavite1
06-30-2012, 19:38
I bet you could get by with a couple of motion activated "game cameras"
Good point!
Any suggestions (discreet, downloadable pictures etc...)?
Zundfolge
06-30-2012, 19:44
Dunno as I've never used one, but I believe some have night vision capability so that would be cool (especially since those use an IR strobe so the flash won't be visible to the miscreants).
Most are digital so you can swap out SD cards pretty easily. I wouldn't be surprised to find out there are some that use wifi (and may already be more "urban camo" looking).
Like anything I suspect features are driven by budget.
I also suspect most are in green, brown or camo cases so you might want to paint the case to match the house.
A little googling led me to this (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=infrared+ip+cams&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=14302784672654612113&sa=X&ei=O6QbT9-4KuWjiAKqnZDTCA&ved=0CI4BEPICMAQ). So maybe home security cams aren't as expensive as I thought.
Why not just put out security looking signs saying "THIS PROPERTY PROTECTED BY THE DARK LORD"? [Coffee]
Sportsman's WHSE has game cameras. Most have removable memory cards. Get one with the shortest activation/trigger time. Video is good too. AA batteries are better than C size. IR is handy for night pics.
Make sure you don't have any sharp objects like razor blades or fish hooks epoxied up near your new signs. It would be terrible if anyone was injured while stealing your property.
whiskeyjack
06-30-2012, 20:12
just put one of your used targets outside.
It was probably a republican, cause they see you were gonna vote for Obama.
just put one of your used targets outside.
you would be amazed at how well that works [Coffee]
If Satan really loved you when those vandals go 6 ft under they will be getting an eternity of pitch forks in the behind.
rockhound
06-30-2012, 20:37
northern tool has all kinds of motion cameras
stevelkinevil
06-30-2012, 20:39
Ok maybe I am missing something here, is the OP for real?
whiskeyjack
06-30-2012, 20:43
Ok maybe I am missing something here, is the OP for real?
yes?
argonstrom
06-30-2012, 20:43
So, we come back home from breakfast, this morning, and we find out that our "VOTE SATAN" sign, hanging on our ront porch, has been vandalized.
BEFORE
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q358/bellavite1/2012-05-19155708-1.jpg
AFTER
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q358/bellavite1/2012-06-30135122.jpg
Basically somebody waited for us to leave, got on our front porch with a knife, climbed to reach the sign and cut it off.
When you display things to get attention, expect attention.
Maybe try to display your beliefs in a more positive manner. It's difficult to tell by your pictures, but maybe keeping your yard looking nice would go a long way in helping people respect you & your property.
Really a hate crimes report, thats pushing it, thats the kind of crap that has this country going down the toliet.
The only crime here is vandalism and some petty theft.
Game cameras equal results.
On a side note, thats a stupid sign, something like that screams "look at me, i want to cause a problem with someone".
I know, people should keep to their own property, but come on did you really do this with all good intentions and just to share your love of the devil with everyone.
Did you really expect nothing to happen. The whole, do stupid stuff, expect things to happen. It seems like it was just a dumb idea to me that either back fired or is working as planned; to create conflict with someone. If your out looking to create conflicts with people i guess you found it. You know, peace be with you and the do unto others stuff.
stevelkinevil
06-30-2012, 20:49
Besides why are you mad? isn't you peoples credo "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"?
Here it is in action, enjoy!
Really a hate crimes report, thats pushing it, thats the kind of crap that has this country going down the toliet.
The only crime here is vandalism and some petty theft.
Game cameras equal results.
On a side note, thats a stupid sign, something like that screams "look at me, i want to cause a problem with someone".
I know, people should keep to their own property, but come on did you really do this with all good intentions and just to share your love of the devil with everyone.
Did you really expect nothing to happen. The whole, do stupid stuff, expect things to happen. It seems like it was just a dumb idea to me that either back fired or is working as planned; to create conflict with someone. If your out looking to create conflicts with people i guess you found it. You know, peace be with you and the do unto others stuff. Very well said. [Beer]
whiskeyjack
06-30-2012, 20:54
Either way good luck OP This Is/was a free nation I may not agree with your beliefs but this nation was based on freedom. I left my hip waders else wheres so i'm exiting this thread before the brown gets to high.
hammer03
06-30-2012, 21:05
The horror! Someone put up some Halloween decorations on your house in June!
SideShow Bob
06-30-2012, 21:39
A bear board on the porch under your replacement banner and one on each side of the lower beam would probably work well if they tried to tear it down again........... [Muaha]
bellavite1
06-30-2012, 21:43
Really a hate crimes report, thats pushing it, thats the kind of crap that has this country going down the toliet.
The only crime here is vandalism and some petty theft.
Game cameras equal results.
On a side note, thats a stupid sign, something like that screams "look at me, i want to cause a problem with someone".
I know, people should keep to their own property, but come on did you really do this with all good intentions and just to share your love of the devil with everyone.
Did you really expect nothing to happen. The whole, do stupid stuff, expect things to happen. It seems like it was just a dumb idea to me that either back fired or is working as planned; to create conflict with someone. If your out looking to create conflicts with people i guess you found it. You know, peace be with you and the do unto others stuff.
Really?
So if my wife wants to have fun in our own yard (yes, we do own our property) she should not do it lest some prude "warrior of the lord" feel entitled to step on my property and damage what's mine?
Is that a justification?
Sure I am aware that something like that could happen, but it still does not make it right.
As far as the hate crime thing goes, they did not steal or damage anything else so yes, this is religiously motivated and I will call it as such.
Would it be different if somebody was showing the star of David and it got vandalized?
You bet it would, but why is that?
How about somebody's Holy Mother Of Guadalupe?
Would that be all right?
This is aimed at making me feel unconfortable in my own home because somebody feels offended by it.
Well, they can go to hell.
How about we all stop having firearms related clothing or stickers or what have you?
Somebody's feeling may get hurt!
I don't go vandalizing Christian decor on other people's property and I expect the same courtesy.
Incidentally, yes , that is a stupid sign.
It is supposed to be.[Stooge]
It is a parody of our ridicolous candidates (and don't get me started with it, I am voting Romney out of desperation, but, really, guys, the man does not inspire me any confidence).
Satan is not running for office yet, unless I am missing something.
Zundfolge
06-30-2012, 21:47
Satan is not running for office yet, unless I am missing something.
He doesn't qualify either as he's not a natural born citizen (assuming that still means anything).
[ROFL1]
bobbyfairbanks
06-30-2012, 21:49
April was a while ago. Just saying[Tooth]
bellavite1
06-30-2012, 21:50
He doesn't qualify either as he's not a natural born citizen (assuming that still means anything).
[ROFL1]
Hey, what the Hell, the other "dark lord" got his ass elected...[Muaha]
JM Ver. 2.0
06-30-2012, 21:52
Who has the popcorn?
argonstrom
06-30-2012, 21:54
Really?
So if my wife wants to have fun in our own yard (yes, we do own our property) she should not do it lest some prude "warrior of the lord" feel entitled to step on my property and damage what's mine?
So, a "prude 'warrior of the lord'" did it? You went from asking how to protect your property to full on victim mode?
C'mon, man.
Really?
bellavite1
06-30-2012, 21:59
So, a "prude 'warrior of the lord'" did it? You went from asking how to protect your property to full on victim mode?
C'mon, man.
Really?
Well, somebody must have felt strongly motivated to do this, and it sure was no Satanist...
I am just tired of double standards.
If it is wrong to do this kind of shit towards one religion it is wrong toward ANY religion.
And I do know how to protect the house, trust me.
But I do want to catch the mutherfucker that felt entitled to do this.
Wouldn't you?
Tor Larson
06-30-2012, 22:10
But I do want to catch the mutherfucker that felt entitled to do this.
Wouldn't you?
Why bother? Won't Karma get them in the end? Or maybe Asmodeus, Orcus, Beelzebub, Iblis, Shaitan, Loki, Kali, etc? Just sayin...
argonstrom
06-30-2012, 22:14
Well, somebody must have felt strongly motivated to do this, and it sure was no Satanist...
I am just tired of double standards.
If it is wrong to do this kind of shit towards one religion it is wrong toward ANY religion.
And I do know how to protect the house, trust me.
But I do want to catch the mutherfucker that felt entitled to do this.
Wouldn't you?
You just pointed out your double standards in your post that I quoted above.
I understand that you're upset, but I simply ask that you not rush to judgement. I hope that you have the self restraint to not want to "catch the mutherfucker" that cut your flag & do something stupid that would put you in prison, or worse.
Again, please understand that you put the satan flag out there for a reason; I'm guessing that was for attention, which you got, and I don't mean to feed it, but it is what it is. Clean up your yard - that'll help a lot, not only from a tactical standpoint, but a friendship standpoint in your neighborhood.
theGinsue
06-30-2012, 22:18
Well, they can go to hell.
Proselytizing now? [ROFL1]
Sorry, had to.
While I totally disagree with your choice of religion, as an American I also totally respect your right to choose/practice it.
What was done was absolutely wrong and I support you efforts to find the party/parties responsible and see them charged and convicted.
whiskeyjack
06-30-2012, 22:21
Proselytizing now? [ROFL1]
Sorry, had to.
While I totally disagree with your choice of religion, as an American I also totally respect your right to choose/practice it.
What was done was absolutely wrong and I support you efforts to find the party/parties responsible and see them charged and convicted.
100% this.
While I totally disagree with your choice of religion, as an American I also totally respect your right to choose/practice it.
[Beer]
a good once over on the yard would hurt ether [ROFL1]
theGinsue
06-30-2012, 22:24
.Satan is not running for office yet, unless I am missing something.
Third party candidate - no chance in Hell (yes, intended pun) he'll get elected.
TheBelly
06-30-2012, 22:36
just put one of your used targets outside.
5.... the total number of trick or treaters we had the last year I did this.
Wife was pretty upset because she spent a bunch of money on candy. I was upset because it was candy I didn't like.
Fail.
On a side note, thats a stupid sign, something like that screams "look at me, i want to cause a problem with someone".
I know, people should keep to their own property, but come on did you really do this with all good intentions and just to share your love of the devil with everyone.
Did you really expect nothing to happen. The whole, do stupid stuff, expect things to happen. It seems like it was just a dumb idea to me that either back fired or is working as planned; to create conflict with someone. If your out looking to create conflicts with people i guess you found it. You know, peace be with you and the do unto others stuff.
Blame the victim.. Shouldn't of worn that dress, eh?
This whole thread is positively funny when you change the religions around. 'Conservatives' turn into democrats really quick when things hit a bit close to home.
Fucking white people.
Well, they can go to hell.
I want you to know first that I agree with you and you can do whatever you want on your own property and should expect nothing than less security and not having someone trespass and vandalize your property.
With that said, I did find it amusing you said this![Tooth]
This whole thread is positively funny when you change the religions around. 'Conservatives' turn into democrats really quick when things hit a bit close to home.
Fucking white people.
[Pop]
This whole thread is positively funny when you change the religions around. 'Conservatives' turn into democrats really quick when things hit a bit close to home.
Fucking white people.
You're racist you're racist! Im walking out right now![Tooth]
Oh...and +1
BuffCyclist
06-30-2012, 22:46
I'm still a little confused how this is a religious hate crime and not just a political sign that was removed.
I think anyone that sees a "Vote Satan" or "Vote God" banner or some other variation of that, during an election year, is going to assume you're referring to the current President (or a Presidential candidate).
Or perhaps I am the only one that read that banner as "Vote Obama"... [Peep]
sneakerd
06-30-2012, 22:48
I prefer not to overtly call attention to myself or my beliefs- whatever they may be.
perhaps I am the only one that read that banner as "Vote Obama"... [Peep]it doesn't ??[ROFL1]
BuffCyclist
06-30-2012, 22:53
Or perhaps I am the only one that read that banner as "Vote Obama"... [Peep]
it doesn't ??[ROFL1]
Well not anymore it doesn't! [Tooth]
I like the upside down cross above the door personally. Don't these guys know you are going to put a hex on them now? [Coffee]
Cylinder Head
06-30-2012, 23:04
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
sneakerd
06-30-2012, 23:05
NOT judging the op- but I agree 100% with cylinderhead.
Great-Kazoo
06-30-2012, 23:23
Ok maybe I am missing something here, is the OP for real?
Heavily Tattooed and Italian, Yeah i believe he's serious.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.I completely agree with this and could not have said it better. What I also think is this is supposed to be America and as I completely disagree with his chosen Religion, he should be able to show what he believes in and know one should be messing with the property he paid for. The way it looks to me being cut the way it was I really doubt it was a hate crime, more like some dumb teenage kids that thought it was cool and stole it.
KestrelBike
06-30-2012, 23:27
I think Costco has a pretty good deal going on surveillance systems (that have 4 cameras)
I wonder about religion of the guy who vandalized op's property is.
It was probably some neighbor that got sick and tired looking at a "Vote for Satan" sign, that some knuckle head put up on the outside of their house.
Hell, if it were in my neighborhood I'd probably do the same thing..... Just saying....
OP why do you worship Satan?
And why are you letting this incredibly small offense piss you off do much?
sneakerd
06-30-2012, 23:59
uh-oh.........
[Pepsi][Pop]
Pagans...
People Against Goodness And Normalcy.. Paagans.
flan7211
07-01-2012, 00:17
Dude listen worship what you want. If you wear your religion on your sleeve people are gonna mess with you. Second, understand that what you are providing as a violation of your religious rights, isn't being taken as such. The folks on here aren't going to understand because this is a subjective matter to them and your religion is different. The best way to be left alone is to be as private as possible.
Dude listen worship what you want. If you wear your religion on your sleeve people are gonna mess with you. Second, understand that what you are providing as a violation of your religious rights, isn't being taken as such. The folks on here aren't going to understand because this is a subjective matter to them and your religion is different. The best way to be left alone is to be as private as possible.
this. freedom is freedom, but it doesn't mean it doesn't come with consequences when you express your beliefs. if i put a big life size foam cut out of jesus on my lawn it would probably be messed with within the week.
this. freedom is freedom, but it doesn't mean it doesn't come with consequences when you express your beliefs. if i put a big life size foam cut out of jesus on my lawn it would probably be messed with within the week.
Good point.
It can be hate motivated, but it can also be some HSfootball jacket wearing punk@ss kid who tries to draw stupid@ss attention to impress his/her friends inside the big wheel truck.
Or perhaps I am the only one that read that banner as "Vote Obama"... [Peep]
It would have said "vote messiah"[Tooth]
Ok...so odds are it was a neighbor but to assume they are Christian is wrong. There are a number of religions that would disagree with your statement there.
Sorry that it happened to you but it would be a lot like flying a nazi flag outside your home or posting that you want hitler as president on your lawn. You are going to make enemies with these kinds of messages. Do you have a right to make them? Yes. Are you going to have problems with others for doing it? Probably.
If you are going to get this worked up over someone taking it....probably shouldn't have it up in the first place. That or get a thicker skin about it.
Great-Kazoo
07-01-2012, 00:43
It was probably some neighbor that got sick and tired looking at a "Vote for Satan" sign, that some knuckle head put up on the outside of their house.
Hell, if it were in my neighborhood I'd probably do the same thing..... Just saying....
That's because you have, how many churches within a 3-4 block radius?
Them old schooler's next door must be getting to you, PAX Brother, PAX
Troublco
07-01-2012, 03:43
While I totally disagree with your choice of religion, as an American I also totally respect your right to choose/practice it.
What was done was absolutely wrong and I support you efforts to find the party/parties responsible and see them charged and convicted.
This.
Third party candidate - no chance in Hell (yes, intended pun) he'll get elected.
[ROFL1]
This whole thread is positively funny when you change the religions around. 'Conservatives' turn into democrats really quick when things hit a bit close to home.
Fucking white people.
Sniper's response has me curious...What am I missing on this one? The complete lack of reaction makes me wonder.
bellavite1
07-01-2012, 04:53
I am confused...
I don't believe my original post was a whining or "poor me" of any kind.
Again, I am not so stupid as to not realize that people will be pissed off.
HOWEVER, that will not stop me from doing the Hell that I want on my own property.
This is no HOA, if you don't like it don't look at it.
I came to this country and became a citizen because I believe in America and its Constitution.
If you are willing to puff your breast for the 2nd amendment you should do it for the 1st as well, not pick the Constitution as you see fit.
After all freedom of religion is a good part of what brought the Mayflower on these shores.
I did not ask for sympathy, I fight my own battles.
So, about them cameras...
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