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Hopefully all is well with the crew
http://www.koaa.com/full-coverage/waldo-canyon-fire/
C130 Maff used to fight fires in Colorado crashes in South Dakota
EDGEMONT, S.D. (AP) - Military officials have identified a plane that crashed while battling a South Dakota forest fire as a C-130 tanker based out of Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado.
Military spokeswoman Capt. Ruth Castro tells The Associated Press that the tanker made at least two drops of fire retardant material on the White Draw fire on Sunday before crashing at about 6 p.m.
Castro did not have information on the crew. The Fall River County Sheriff's Office told the Rapid City Journal that a helicopter was able to land near the plane Sunday night and take three people to Custer to be transported by ambulance to a Rapid City hospital.
The fire started by a vehicle Friday afternoon near Edgemont has grown to 4,200 acres and is about 30 percent contained.
TheBelly
07-02-2012, 05:46
I hope Hoser wasn't part of this one, although I fear he is.
Prayers sent to all; that part of SD is my home area....
GhostRider
07-02-2012, 05:55
Damn, go through that way all the time. prayers sent out for the crew and I hope Hoser was no where near there.
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-02-2012, 06:10
Thoughts and prayers sent to all involved.
Prayers sent for Hoser and The C130 crew.
Bailey Guns
07-02-2012, 06:48
Damn, damn, damn...
What terrible news. I don't even know what to say right now.
Man....Anxiously waiting for news.
BPTactical
07-02-2012, 07:08
Please let it not be Hoser and his crew......
Bailey Guns
07-02-2012, 07:15
This sounds somewhat encouraging.
From 7News:
A helicopter was able to land near the Air Force plane and took three people to Custer to be transported by ambulance to Rapid City Regional Hospital for further medical treatment, the Fall River County Sheriff's Office told the Rapid City Journal.
can anyone confirm if hoser was on board?
ChadAmberg
07-02-2012, 07:29
Last night about 10 miles north of Peterson, we saw a MAFF C-130 make too hard a turn and head right back. He was at a very low altitude and made about an 80 degree bank from what I could tell. When I flew on C-130s we weren't allowed to bank that hard normally, especially at that low an altitude. I was pretty alarmed that something had happened to it, and now to hear this, it sucks.
theGinsue
07-02-2012, 07:39
I just contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed.
Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest.
Thank God!
Prayers and thoughts go out to those who were involved.
thank god.....prayers and good vibes sent to that crew
USMC88-93
07-02-2012, 07:44
How many on a crew when it is configured for firefighting?
Wow this is terrible news. Hoser, im glad you are safe getting much needed rest and thoughts and prayers sent to your fellow crewmembers and their families
Thank God! Prayers that everyone involved are ok.
Bailey Guns
07-02-2012, 07:47
Good news for us...still bad news for others. Sucks no matter how you slice it.
BPTactical
07-02-2012, 07:50
Good news for us...still bad news for others. Sucks no matter how you slice it.
Agreed, but breathing a big sigh of relief.
Thanks Thomas[Beer]
Bailey Guns
07-02-2012, 07:59
Agreed, but breathing a big sigh of relief.
Thanks Thomas[Beer]
Definitely a big relief.
DD977GM2
07-02-2012, 08:03
Definalty glad Hoser is alright!!!!!!!!!
Molon_Labe-1775
07-02-2012, 08:06
I just contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed.
Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest.
Thank God!
Prayers and thoughts go out to those who were involved.
Great news. Prayers out to the crew
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-02-2012, 08:19
Lad to hear Hoser is okay. Prayers sent.
KevDen2005
07-02-2012, 08:21
Very glad Hoser is alright...
And I may have missed it but what is the status of the crashed crew?
How many on a crew when it is configured for firefighting?
Typically 3 onboard, I think.
DD977GM2
07-02-2012, 08:23
Hope all the crew suffered was a few minor bruises.
spqrzilla
07-02-2012, 08:30
I thought a C130 crew for firefighting was closer to five or six.
I just contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed.
Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest.
Thank God!
Prayers and thoughts go out to those who were involved.
Great news!! Prayers to those on board though.
Very glad to hear Hoser was not on board! Positive thoughts for those involved for a quick recovery. Thank you Heros!
FALL RIVER COUNTY, SD - The Fall River Sheriff's office says three people were taken to the hospital when a U.S. Air Force tanker aircraft crashed while fighting the White Draw Fire.
It happened around 6 p.m. MDT.
The cause of the crash is unknown and under investigation.
The C-130 aircraft is a Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System which the U.S. Forest Service uses to fight fires from the air. It can discharge 3,000 gallons of water or fire retardant in less than five seconds and cover about 25 square miles at a time.
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Hopefully that is the whole crew and they are ok. Will be interesting to see what happened?
Glad to hear that Hoser is ok. Hope the crew members that went down make a full recovery. Thanks to the 302nd for all their tireless & hard work !
Thank god Hoser is ok. Prayers for the crew and their friends and family.
Birddog1911
07-02-2012, 09:00
This is just heartbreaking. Glad Hoser is fine, but I also worry about all the other guys I know from MAFFS.
Sounds like six on board and only three were transported. From what I heard the three survivors were in pretty bad shape. Hopefully that information was bad and they all make a recovery but I'm a little worried.
that explains the email my wife got last night from Hoser saying he just landed. I am grateful Hoser is OK but it is horrible about the crew members involved.
Birddog1911
07-02-2012, 09:08
Has anyone found out if it was MAFFS 2 or 5?
Byte Stryke
07-02-2012, 09:18
They make new C-130s all of the time.
I am very glad to hear the crew is going to be OK
I just contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed.
Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest.
Thank God!
Prayers and thoughts go out to those who were involved.
[Beer]Too Hoser
Still hoping for the best for the crew.
sellersm
07-02-2012, 09:25
Sad news, praying for the crew. Glad to hear Hoser's not one of them!!
theGinsue
07-02-2012, 09:54
How many on a crew when it is configured for firefighting? Typically, 6 crew members
And I may have missed it but what is the status of the crashed crew?
See jhebrews comment below. Very little info out right now. Looks like 3 survivors out of six crew members.
Sounds like six on board and only three were transported. From what I heard the three survivors were in pretty bad shape. Hopefully that information was bad and they all make a recovery but I'm a little worried.
I'm concerned as well. With all of the coverage of the Waldo Canyon fire and the interviews with the various members of the 302nd, we've all gotten to feel close to them and so very thankful for their efforts that it's heartbreaking to hear that they may have been injured or killed.
It's never good when a military aircraft crashed but in this case it hits a LOT closer to home.
HoneyBadger
07-02-2012, 11:53
Last night about 10 miles north of Peterson, we saw a MAFF C-130 make too hard a turn and head right back. He was at a very low altitude and made about an 80 degree bank from what I could tell. When I flew on C-130s we weren't allowed to bank that hard normally, especially at that low an altitude. I was pretty alarmed that something had happened to it, and now to hear this, it sucks.
I saw that too... right over my house! I watched it all the way down on final until it was out of sight. Wife and I thought it was very strange because AFAIK, C-130's are generally restricted to a 40 degree bank by AF regulations, and when not involved in combat (including forest-fire combat), there is really no reason to make more than a 30 degree bank at any time.
I concluded to myself that the pilot had just missed his turn for final and had to really bank hard to keep his approach.
Prayers to the crew and their families.
HoneyBadger
07-02-2012, 12:07
With my credibility at stake, my wife just told me that 4 are confirmed dead, 2 seriously injured. My wife is on the Crisis Action Team (CAT) for Peterson AFB. They handle major incidents such as the fires, plane crashes, and other disasters for most of Southeastern Colorado, but this crash was outside the jurisdiction of the Peterson CAT, so she's not involved... Hence my credibility being at stake. If I turn out to be wrong, please don't tar and feather me!
KRDO just reported 6 on board, at least 1 death and all MAFFs grounded for now.
Condolences to those who have lost someone.
Big Wall
07-02-2012, 12:11
My thoughts are with them and their families. Glad you're ok Hoser.
Birddog1911
07-02-2012, 12:18
KOAA stated that it was one of the Charlotte, N. Carolina aircraft, and from what I'm seeing by former squadron mates, that seems to be the case; it was MAFFS 7 that went down.
Condolences, and prayers go out to all!
yankeefan98121
07-02-2012, 12:50
With my credibility at stake, my wife just told me that 4 are confirmed dead, 2 seriously injured. My wife is on the Crisis Action Team (CAT) for Peterson AFB. They handle major incidents such as the fires, plane crashes, and other disasters for most of Southeastern Colorado, but this crash was outside the jurisdiction of the Peterson CAT, so she's not involved... Hence my credibility being at stake. If I turn out to be wrong, please don't tar and feather me!
We can do without the tar and feather but I hope you're wrong
May the lord be with the crew's family, and everyone affected by the fires in the US
trlcavscout
07-02-2012, 13:06
Man that sucks! Best wishes sent.
Glad to here Hoser is alright.
Thoughts going out to the crew and families involved in the crash.
Prayers going out to all involved. I was just watching one fight the fires west of my house yesterday and I thought to myself what a dangerous job it is. They have my greatest respect.
USFS has confirmed 4 fatalities, 2 survivors. No word on the condition of the survivors.
BPTactical
07-02-2012, 15:39
Just heard all 7 MAFF planes grounded pending investigation of the crash.
RIP to the lost members of the aircrew and their families.
Speedy recovery to the survivors.
ChadAmberg
07-02-2012, 16:14
North Carolina ANG plane and crew, they apparently had just dumped the slurry and crashed a few seconds later.
Ugh. Remeber this one about ten years ago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7kr6o1s9sI
O2
Another c-130 crashed that year (2002) on the big elk fire in boulder county. This year is shaping up to be just as ugly. This is the 3rd air tanker crash this year, 2 different airframes.
theGinsue
07-02-2012, 19:34
KOAA stated that it was one of the Charlotte, N. Carolina aircraft, and from what I'm seeing by former squadron mates, that seems to be the case; it was MAFFS 7 that went down.
North Carolina ANG plane and crew, they apparently had just dumped the slurry and crashed a few seconds later.
As much I wish the crash hadn't happened at all & I feel horrible for saying this, I'm glad it wasn't one of Peterson AFB crews that went down - too close to home crew wise!
Prayers go out to the families of the heros.
I am so glad your okay hoser, when I heard the news it made me sick to my stomach.
Clay Turner
07-02-2012, 22:10
We're covering the fire response for our NRA magazine, and two of our team spent a day on the flightline with the C130 crews. There are only 8 planes, so all the crews are close; they were great to us, giving us a lot of their time and letting us photograph all over the planes.
This is some dangerous work; one of the pilots told us they have to turn off some of the alarm systems or they'd be going off constantly (too heavy, too low and too close to the spotter plane).
Our thoughts, and our thanks, are with all the crews and their families.
Troublco
07-03-2012, 03:37
Thank God Hoser's OK, but at the same time my heart goes out to the survivors and the rest of the crew's families.
Ugh. Remeber this one about ten years ago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7kr6o1s9sI
O2
holy shit!
Thanks for all the warm wishes guys.
See you out there.
Thanks for all the warm wishes guys.
See you out there.
I heard the MAFFs are back up.
Stay safe!
Clay Turner
07-03-2012, 10:28
Glad you're well, Hoser. So sorry for the loss of your compatriots.
[Salute]
Rip the HERO'S that gave they're lives to fight these fire's, Prayers for the families affected as well.
Warriors, brothers, friends.
http://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/MAFFS-7-crew.jpg
http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/07/03/maffs-air-tanker-fatalities-identified/
GhostRider
07-03-2012, 18:27
Warriors, brothers, friends.
http://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/MAFFS-7-crew.jpg
http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/07/03/maffs-air-tanker-fatalities-identified/
R.I.P. guys.[Salute]
Watching the aircraft deliver water on the fires. I could not believe how effective they were. They put the H2O right on the hot spots. They were ten times more accurate than when I was on the ground fighting wildfires 25 years ago. Over and over again. honestly I got dizzy watching them. Thank You crews. Thank you MAFFS 7
boulder888
07-03-2012, 19:19
Prayers sent to all involved in this incident.
Well it was a very painful and a very long firefighting season. The 2nd longest Military mobilization of MAFFS. Only the 1994 fire season went longer.
2012 was the first time MAFFS experienced any type of serious accident. The Military (4 total Squadrons and 8 aircraft) has operated MAFFS since the early 70s.
The MAFFS 7 crash outside Edgemont South Dakota claimed 4 lives. Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator and Flight Engineer. The two Loadmasters survived. After seeing the wreckage, I have no clue how they lived. The final report was released last week.
Now that Thanksgiving (what we consider the end of the Firefighting season) has come and gone, here is a look at what we did.
915 Sorties 877.5 flying hours 1008 drops 2,720,194 gallons
Somewhere late July or early Aug I dropped my 1,000,000 millionth gallon of red goop.
I appreciate you guys.
That's a lot of goop...
TheBelly
11-29-2012, 17:07
Hoser, when is the start of the season?
Hoser,
Job well done to you and all the guys! Prayers go out to your lost! Hopefully you see a shorter season next year!
Holy crap Hoser! You guys were busy... Job well done, you guys don't get enough recognition for the work you do... and believe me, coming from growing up with parents in the FD, you guys kick ass!
ChunkyMonkey
11-29-2012, 17:10
+1 Great job
Well it was a very painful and a very long firefighting season. The 2nd longest Military mobilization of MAFFS. Only the 1994 fire season went longer.
2012 was the first time MAFFS experienced any type of serious accident. The Military (4 total Squadrons and 8 aircraft) has operated MAFFS since the early 70s.
The MAFFS 7 crash outside Edgemont South Dakota claimed 4 lives. Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator and Flight Engineer. The two Loadmasters survived. After seeing the wreckage, I have no clue how they lived. The final report was released last week.
Now that Thanksgiving (what we consider the end of the Firefighting season) has come and gone, here is a look at what we did.
915 Sorties 877.5 flying hours 1008 drops 2,720,194 gallons
Somewhere late July or early Aug I dropped my 1,000,000 millionth gallon of red goop.
WOW, all I can say is THANK YOU to you and all the airmen who helped with the fires this year! [rockon]
Hoser, when is the start of the season?
Normally around early May is when we consider it "on." At the end of our annual training with the Forest Service is when we officially go on standby.
Last year we were in Texas working fires in April. We already had our two planes working actual fires during training so a few of us flew with other squadrons to ensure everyone got trained.
Bailey Guns
11-29-2012, 19:34
Thanks to you and the other guys and gals for watching over those of us in the fire-prone areas. We are extremely grateful. Especially so for those willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Rucker61
11-29-2012, 19:37
A big thanks to you and all of your ilk. We couldn't live without you.
And knowing what we know about you Hoser, every gallon you dropped was right on target!
God Bless you all. Thank you.
Be safe.
As someone who's house was spared by the Waldo fire I can say I truly appreciate the hard work that Hoser and all the MAFFS crews put in. My prayers go out to the families of those who were lost and to those who survived the crash.
I'm fairly certain that Herc that crashed had dropped on the Oil Creek Fire in Wyoming in the days before it went down. I remember hearing that it it had gone down and knew my place was probably going to burn without that HAT support. My ranch represented the far eastern border of that fire. It was bad enough and heart breaking to hear that it went down and that lives were lost, but even moreso because we knew that that firefighting capability could have made a difference in keeping many acres from burning across the region.
It was not MAFFS 7 that worked the Oil Creek Fire. MAFFS 4, 6, 7 and 8 arrived at Peterson AFB on Saturday late afternoon. Their first day of flying was Sunday 01 July. MAFFS 7 crashed at 1738 hrs that same day.
The MAFFS support that worked your fire was 2 and 5 and possibly 1 and 3 also. If I remember correctly, it started along a road from a cigarette or car fire.
I'm fairly certain that Herc that crashed had dropped on the Oil Creek Fire in Wyoming in the days before it went down. I remember hearing that it it had gone down and knew my place was probably going to burn without that HAT support. My ranch represented the far eastern border of that fire. It was bad enough and heart breaking to hear that it went down and that lives were lost, but even moreso because we knew that that firefighting capability could have made a difference in keeping many acres from burning across the region.
SA Friday
11-30-2012, 14:52
Dude! A million gallons... That's some serious hours and serious sorties. I doubt most can even fathom what entails drop numbers like that. Having lived a prior life as a Air Cargo weenie before my transition to OSI, I have a detailed understanding of what that overlooked sentence means. All in the military in some way or another try to leave our mark in this world. If we didn't, we probably would never have joined. These are life defining numbers. They make a difference. Nobody can every take that away from you.
BPTactical
11-30-2012, 15:00
Well it was a very painful and a very long firefighting season. The 2nd longest Military mobilization of MAFFS. Only the 1994 fire season went longer.
2012 was the first time MAFFS experienced any type of serious accident. The Military (4 total Squadrons and 8 aircraft) has operated MAFFS since the early 70s.
The MAFFS 7 crash outside Edgemont South Dakota claimed 4 lives. Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator and Flight Engineer. The two Loadmasters survived. After seeing the wreckage, I have no clue how they lived. The final report was released last week.
Now that Thanksgiving (what we consider the end of the Firefighting season) has come and gone, here is a look at what we did.
915 Sorties 877.5 flying hours 1008 drops 2,720,194 gallons
Somewhere late July or early Aug I dropped my 1,000,000 millionth gallon of red goop.
So many thanks to you and your crews, both in the air and ground support Hoser.
May those affected by those lost find peace and solace knowing they gave their all helping others.
Your quite the Goop slinger!
It was not MAFFS 7 that worked the Oil Creek Fire. MAFFS 4, 6, 7 and 8 arrived at Peterson AFB on Saturday late afternoon. Their first day of flying was Sunday 01 July. MAFFS 7 crashed at 1738 hrs that same day.
The MAFFS support that worked your fire was 2 and 5 and possibly 1 and 3 also. If I remember correctly, it started along a road from a cigarette or car fire.
Thanks Hoser. I knew there were a couple of them in the area...didn't know there were that many though. Kudos to you guys for getting in close and laying down the slurry....dangerous work.
Thanks for all the work you guys do Hoser. I know it's a hard and dangerous job. Stay safe man.
This is the video that was shown at the Memorial in July. I forgot to post it.
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