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Search: Ex-CIA agent: Roswell 'weather balloon' was alien craft (http://www.bing.com/search?q=Roswell+UFO+Chase+Brandon&form=msnpop)
This week marks the 65th anniversary of the infamous "Roswell Incident" in Roswell, N.M. (http://www.bing.com/places/search?q=Roswell%2c+New+Mexico&upgid=28253&qpvt=Roswell%2c+N.M.&FORM=msnpop), that involved reports of a "flying disc" — later reported as a "weather balloon" by the U.S. military — that was found by Air Force personnel (watch a full documentary on the Roswell incident (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=roswell+documentary+&view=detail&mid=A09F134312A8BB1FF297A09F134312A8BB1FF297&first=0?ocid=msnpop)). And right on cue, new claims by a retired CIA (http://www.bing.com/search?q=CIA&form=msnpop) agent is revving up conspiracy theorists. Chase Brandon, a 35-year CIA veteran, says he viewed secret files on the Roswell incident and concluded that the object found "was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet" (does Brandon say that a cover-up was attempted by the government? (http://www.bing.com/search?q=CIA+Veteran+Claims+Knowledge+of+Roswell-Alien+Cover-up&form=msnpop)).
Jumpstart
07-10-2012, 07:36
Aliens do exist, Colorado is chock full of them. Just go down to the flea market on Saturdays.
Goodburbon
07-10-2012, 07:43
Statistically it's very likely that aliens exist. Remember though, a person is smart, people are stupid and panic (I believe that was from Men in black). The last 60 years have been spent acclimating people to the idea of intelligent extra-terrestrial life through a constant stream of media and a steady trickle of fodder for conspiracy theorists. People may or may not be ready for the news that the spacecraft found near Roswell was indeed alien. We might find out the truth in our lifetimes, be it confirmation of aliens or the revealing of all crash site photos, and wreckage of a weather balloon to the public. After all, what national security interest could a 65 year old weather balloon have.
Aliens do exist, Colorado is chock full of them. Just go down to the flea market on Saturdays.
3 words: Pearl Street Mall
'nuff said.
Bitter Clinger
07-10-2012, 08:27
I truly think aliens do exist, but they've never been here. And if they have does anyone really think our colossal clusterphuck of a government could actually keep that covered up? The distances between stars, and those that have planets in their inhabitable zones, and what we currently understand of physics, all make it next to impossible to travel between stars. We were never ment to discover each other.
agreed. statistically it would be moronic to not believe in the existence of aliens.
do they look like us? most likely not
would a species advanced enough to travel across the galaxy to observe our species crash their ships into our planet? hell no. if they can travel billions of miles through space without being destroyed by all the space debris then how can they not navigate through open skies, over mountains?
could they have made contact and are working with our gov? possibly, but if so i'm not seeing all the results of an advanced species helping us.. or i may have too high expectations i suppose
my guess is most UFOs are simply gov experiments. after all our gooberment is good at screwing stuff up. why would we put it past them to have their experiments crash? or have simple explanations, but people like to believe they see space ships to fulfill their dreams
Rucker61
07-10-2012, 08:39
I truly think aliens do exist, but they've never been here. And if they have does anyone really think our colossal clusterphuck of a government could actually keep that covered up?
Seriously. The conspiracy theorists who claim all kinds of government coverups have obviously never worked directly with the government. I couldn't keep a secret in my platoon, much less an entire agency.
The distances between stars, and those that have planets in their inhabitable zones, and what we currently understand of physics, all make it next to impossible to travel between stars. We were never ment to discover each other.
Not through manned spacecraft, anyway, and anything probes that showed up would be from civilizations long dead.
Zundfolge
07-10-2012, 08:49
I still contend that most of the BS about ET is put out by the government (or at least encouraged by them).
If some people will believe in intelligent alien life visiting earth, other people will believe the government is covering it up.
If some people will believe the government is covering up the alien visits, most people will point at those idiots and laugh.
If most people will point at those idiots and laugh they'll assume anyone else with a "government conspiracy theory" is an idiot and laugh at them too.
Thus the government gets to pretend all the evil crap its actually doing is just the imagination of idiot conspiracy nuts.
So put THAT in your tin foil pipe and smoke it :D
HoneyBadger
07-10-2012, 09:22
As someone who works in the space industry and has a bit of knowledge regarding space, spaceflight, and satellites, I really don't think that aliens (from space, not Mexico) have been to Earth.
Is the "weather balloon" a crappy cover story? Sure! does that mean the government Is secretly hiding aliens and alien technology? Not likely... More likely scenario: It IS in the interest of National Security because the Southwest, specifically Area 51, Edwards AFB, and Nellis AFB have always been a testing ground for our new stuff. The SR-71 was completely developed and tested there. The F-117 was almost exclusively tested there. The B-70, B1-A, B1-B, B-2 and U-2, along with dozens of UAVs and UCAVs were all also tested there years before they were announced to the public.
Is Roswell a long ways from Area-51? Sure. It would take you about 15 hours to make the drive in a car. In an SR-71 traveling Mach 3.2, that would take approximately 18 minutes. Commence the throwing of rotten vegetables... [LOL]
KevDen2005
07-10-2012, 09:25
agreed. statistically it would be moronic to not believe in the existence of aliens.
do they look like us? most likely not
would a species advanced enough to travel across the galaxy to observe our species crash their ships into our planet? hell no. if they can travel billions of miles through space without being destroyed by all the space debris then how can they not navigate through open skies, over mountains?
could they have made contact and are working with our gov? possibly, but if so i'm not seeing all the results of an advanced species helping us.. or i may have too high expectations i suppose
my guess is most UFOs are simply gov experiments. after all our gooberment is good at screwing stuff up. why would we put it past them to have their experiments crash? or have simple explanations, but people like to believe they see space ships to fulfill their dreams
Come on man, their stuff was government purchased by the lowest bidder just like ours. It it's going to fail it will be at the most inopportune time.
Goodburbon
07-10-2012, 09:46
Given our current level of knowledge about space travel, physics, etc. it would be highly unlikely that an extra terrestrial craft made it here and crashed. Take into account how much our understand of physics has expanded in the last 100 years and project that out another few hundred years and it becomes likely that we either develop an understanding of physics that reveals interstellar travel as a possibility, or rules it out completely.
The third option is that the stupids continue their takeover, society fails and we cause our own extinction.
I honestly believe that aliens do exist, somewhere out there, it's an awful big waste of space if they don't. The theories and stories have only popped up in the last 100 years and that's where we get our understanding of what they may look like. But realistically, for them to develop into humanoid form and be bipedal like us is laughable and improbable. It would depend on the atmosphere and gravity on their planet and it's very likely that any other intelligent life out there could just be big piles of goo or could even have 12 legs and exoskeletons. Einsteins theory of FTL travel being impossible has already been disproved and it is possible, we just don't have the technology. I don't think aliens have been here in the past 200 years, but it is possible that they were here thousands of years ago and that's what ancient cultures interpreted as Gods (Aztecs, Egyptians, etc.) That theory really does make quite a bit of sense. But them being here and "crashing"- I agree that if they're so advanced they wouldn't have flown all this way to have a catastrophic failure upon arrival... unless they grossly miscalculated our gravity and atmosphere.... I want to believe and the truth is out there.
HoneyBadger
07-10-2012, 09:58
I honestly believe that aliens do exist, somewhere out there, it's an awful big waste of space if they don't. The theories and stories have only popped up in the last 100 years and that's where we get our understanding of what they may look like. But realistically, for them to develop into humanoid form and be bipedal like us is laughable and improbable. It would depend on the atmosphere and gravity on their planet and it's very likely that any other intelligent life out there could just be big piles of goo or could even have 12 legs and exoskeletons. Einsteins theory of FTL travel being impossible has already been disproved and it is possible, we just don't have the technology. I don't think aliens have been here in the past 200 years, but it is possible that they were here thousands of years ago and that's what ancient cultures interpreted as Gods (Aztecs, Egyptians, etc.) That theory really does make quite a bit of sense. But them being here and "crashing"- I agree that if they're so advanced they wouldn't have flown all this way to have a catastrophic failure upon arrival... unless they grossly miscalculated our gravity and atmosphere.... I want to believe and the truth is out there.
Another "Ancient Aliens" believer eh? [Poke] Just messin'![LOL]
Another "Ancient Aliens" believer eh? [Poke] Just messin'![LOL]
:D
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I honestly believe that aliens do exist, somewhere out there, it's an awful big waste of space if they don't. The theories and stories have only popped up in the last 100 years and that's where we get our understanding of what they may look like. But realistically, for them to develop into humanoid form and be bipedal like us is laughable and improbable. It would depend on the atmosphere and gravity on their planet and it's very likely that any other intelligent life out there could just be big piles of goo or could even have 12 legs and exoskeletons. Einsteins theory of FTL travel being impossible has already been disproved and it is possible, we just don't have the technology. I don't think aliens have been here in the past 200 years, but it is possible that they were here thousands of years ago and that's what ancient cultures interpreted as Gods (Aztecs, Egyptians, etc.) That theory really does make quite a bit of sense. But them being here and "crashing"- I agree that if they're so advanced they wouldn't have flown all this way to have a catastrophic failure upon arrival... unless they grossly miscalculated our gravity and atmosphere.... I want to believe and the truth is out there.
I refute your argument with photographic proof, circa 1967:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GdlwffxcDFA/S2wqqVJ-QAI/AAAAAAAAAo8/brxeLK9pI_k/s320/orion.jpg
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/greenchick.jpg
http://moscowcoffeereview.com/coffee_images/star-trek-alien.jpg
http://godardsletterboxes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/tpring.jpg
I actually contend the opposite of others by saying its extremely unlikely aliens exist. I think science has dumbed down how amazing it is that anything is here on earth let alone us. The amount of either ridiculous dumb luck or creative design it would take is staggering, even if it was over a very long time and even though the universe is very large. And trust me I've studied science for 8 years in college, not including high school, an the more I study it the more I realize the odds of life existing and the complexities involved with developing intelligent life.
TF, at least pic something somewhat exotic... like one of George Lucas' creations (because we all know Gene Roddenbery was a nerd who never saw a woman naked and Lucas was a pimp!)
http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/twilek.jpg
wctriumph
07-10-2012, 10:55
While there very well may be life elsewhere in the universe or in our own galaxy, I doubt that we are being visited by space aliens. No matter what the guy with big hair says.
[Coffee]
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BushMasterBoy
07-10-2012, 11:07
At least the government is good at something...
Big Wall
07-10-2012, 11:08
I believe we are not alone in the universe. That said, I think Carl Sagan had the best quote on the subject. In our search for intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, we first have to ask if there is intelligent life here on Earth.
I believe we are not alone in the universe. That said, I think Carl Sagan had the best quote on the subject. In our search for intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, we first have to ask if there is intelligent life here on Earth.
Well there for sure isn't anywhere near DC... California too (those who were smart invaded here... DOH!)
colorider
07-10-2012, 12:08
Check out this recent discovery.!!!http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112641006/ufo-lying-on-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea/
If aliens exist and have been to earth or are here right now what difference does it make?
If an alien race has advanced far enough from a technology standpoint to enable them to perform interstellar travel within reasonable time lines (days/weeks instead of 100,000+ years) what would we have to offer them? Our technology level right now would be so insignificant it would be pointless for them to try and "Learn" anything new from the technology we currently have. Our culture is heavily confrontation based so they know that if some advanced civilization just showed up one day we would probably greet them with a Bomb instead of open arms. So what would be the point of any alien race trying to make themselves known to the human race?
The only reasons that I could think of for an advanced alien race to make the long travel to come to the Earth would be either for resources (water, minerals, etc) or to simply observe our jackassedness from afar because its amusing to watch.
I think what is more likely is that intelligent Alien life is very common in the Universe. But when you look at the vast age of the universe verses our very, very limited time of existence each group of intelligent life probably misses one another by millions of years. Given our current rate of "Consumption" of natural resources and exponential reproduction rate I don't see the Human race lasting another 1000 years without completely annihilating its self. As Agent Smith says in the Matrix "The human race is a Virus". We consume and destroy everything around us and when that is used up we move to the next place to consume and destroy until everything is used up. The Earth is a large place. But eventually we will use it all up. This will happen WAY before we figure out how to escape earth and populate other planets. To be honest I think that is probably best. If we can consume and destroy a WHOLE planet then why should we be given a chance to do it again on another planet?
If aliens exist and have been to earth or are here right now what difference does it make?
If an alien race has advanced far enough from a technology standpoint to enable them to perform interstellar travel within reasonable time lines (days/weeks instead of 100,000+ years) what would we have to offer them? Our technology level right now would be so insignificant it would be pointless for them to try and "Learn" anything new from the technology we currently have. Our culture is heavily confrontation based so they know that if some advanced civilization just showed up one day we would probably greet them with a Bomb instead of open arms. So what would be the point of any alien race trying to make themselves known to the human race?
The only reasons that I could think of for an advanced alien race to make the long travel to come to the Earth would be either for resources (water, minerals, etc) or to simply observe our jackassedness from afar because its amusing to watch.
I think what is more likely is that intelligent Alien life is very common in the Universe. But when you look at the vast age of the universe verses our very, very limited time of existence each group of intelligent life probably misses one another by millions of years. Given our current rate of "Consumption" of natural resources and exponential reproduction rate I don't see the Human race lasting another 1000 years without completely annihilating its self. As Agent Smith says in the Matrix "The human race is a Virus". We consume and destroy everything around us and when that is used up we move to the next place to consume and destroy until everything is used up. The Earth is a large place. But eventually we will use it all up. This will happen WAY before we figure out how to escape earth and populate other planets. To be honest I think that is probably best. If we can consume and destroy a WHOLE planet then why should we be given a chance to do it again on another planet?
You left out the Chris Carter theory of ETs... Colonization and DNA cross breeding research with theirs and Humans DNA...
If anyone is missing the reference there please go here. (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=The+X-Files&oq=The+X-Files&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.745.3000.0.3204.11.9.0.2.2.1.212.14 55.0j7j2.9.0...0.0.B5IE-vlfuMU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b4c92a2d29177826&biw=1680&bih=935)
We have made more advances in the last 70 years that the 1000 prior. I would say something sparked that. Was is aliens, who knows but there are too many things in this world that people try to explain but just can't. Who knows, maybe we are just an intergalactic science project. As others have said, statistically there has to be something else out there some place. I think if we ever had proof all the religious zealots would go nuts because it would shake religion to it's foundations.
BushMasterBoy
07-10-2012, 17:24
Anybody know anything about this incident near the USAF base RAF Bentwaters? Definitely a big coverup!
If you Google some information on this subject, you will find photographs taken of the UFO on the ground have gone missing and some of the US Air Force security policemen actually touched the craft!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident
We have made more advances in the last 70 years that the 1000 prior. I would say something sparked that. Was is aliens, who knows but there are too many things in this world that people try to explain but just can't. Who knows, maybe we are just an intergalactic science project. As others have said, statistically there has to be something else out there some place. I think if we ever had proof all the religious zealots would go nuts because it would shake religion to it's foundations.
i think you are wrong. religions don't talk specifically about other planets and being, they never say they don't or can't exist. in fact, many biblical stories, as well as other religions around the world, can easily be interpreted differently and fit with intelligent life elsewhere in the universe (which is why big hair psycho man on the history channel gets so excited). as i said, i think people get too excited about the vastness of the universe and start thinking the odds have to be in favor of intelligent life elsewhere but for some reason they neglect the odds that have to align for life at all to exist, let alone intelligent life. its about the only thing that compares to the vastness of the universe. science has unfortunately dumbed it down, esepcially since they cannot accurately describe how or why it all happened. as such many people just accept it and say oh yeah, evolution, and move on. theres much more to it than that. even with the size of the universe, it would be a miracle for other life to exist out there, particularly if they require similar things that life on earth does.
i am not saying at all it isn't possible. it absolutely is. but i think the idea that "it must exist since the universe is so big" is a mistake.
Whe the heck would Aliens come here of all places?
We are out in the middle of now where with natural resources squandered or squandering. We are a horrible mess of a sentient life form constantly fighting and killing each other over some form of spiritual belief, race, money, or split tail in a 1,000 + year revolving cycle.
...........however from a scientific view the odds that we are the only sentient life in the universe is low or and in the spiritual view why are we so conceited to think GOD created only humans.
[Beer]
Check out this recent discovery.!!!http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112641006/ufo-lying-on-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea/
they already debunked that as a ufo once they searched it. however, it is still an interesting formation and is curious from a historical stand point.
the idea that our government, and particularly other governments, could effectively cover something like this up is kind of crazy. the amount of people that would HAVE to know would be surprisingly high. everyone and their brother would want to squel on that secret since it would be the biggest discovery of all time.
if intelligent life does exist i find it extremely unlikely it has ever visited earth, much less recently.
Forget the aliens folks.......just focus on the Zombies!!
I, for one, do not believe in aliens, zombies, vampires, werewolfs, or any of that other mumbo-jumbo.
I don't really believe in ghosts either but I think I have seen a few. So maybe I am kind of on the fence on that one.
Seriously. The conspiracy theorists who claim all kinds of government coverups have obviously never worked directly with the government. I couldn't keep a secret in my platoon, much less an entire agency.
I find the above post funny. Only because however I my uncle cannot leave Florida without having to answer his phone ever 12 hrs on the dot. If he doesn't, cops come to wherever his phone is (this happened twice, both times my fault, once at a JUCO game). [ROFL1]
they already debunked that as a ufo once they searched it. however, it is still an interesting formation and is curious from a historical stand point.
if intelligent life does exist i find it extremely unlikely it has ever visited earth, much less recently.
They said it was a giant mushroom..... [Beer]
I will say, I will believe that aliens are here (I do believe in them), when I see one here with my own eyes. Anything you see on the internet or TV can easily be a hoax. It's the things like the Phoenix lights that make me wonder. Of course personally, there's what my uncle has said, or rather not said that is my biggest hold on the thought.
If there were aliens that had the tech to visit earth though, who knows what else they could do? Their advanced tech would be absolutely amazing to us, we wouldn't know where to start. Think about what we can do now with our tech in the short ammount of time we have been tinkering. Then think about what our tech could be at in a thousand years... In 110 years we've gone from the model T, to the Bugatti Veryon. From the Wright Bro's first flight in 1903, to the X-37. From no computers at all, to whatever super computer there is out there. A thousand years is where any civilization that could visit earth is probably at time wise, maybe longer. To even think that "what we know" as humans is where the buck stops (as far as science and tech, well everything goes), is completely ignorant. Everything that we know is based mainly on theory, something that most people forget. Even our "laws of physics" have been broken quite a few times.
Basically, the way I see it is; are there aliens? Yes. Are they here? Don't know as I haven't ever seen one myself, however if people have seen them, it's because "they" want us to. [Beer]
You gotta be a bit careful assuming where our tech will be in 1000 years. Technology often had a way of peaking then leveling off for a while until the next big discovery. Think about the 1980's. We have come a ways since then but back then people projecting the 2000's to be more advanced than we are now. We can perfect what we have no doubt but sometimes making the leap to the next discovery takes a long time
I find the above post funny. Only because however I my uncle cannot leave Florida without having to answer his phone ever 12 hrs on the dot. If he doesn't, cops come to wherever his phone is (this happened twice, both times my fault, once at a JUCO game). [ROFL1]
They said it was a giant mushroom..... [Beer]
I will say, I will believe that aliens are here (I do believe in them), when I see one here with my own eyes. Anything you see on the internet or TV can easily be a hoax. It's the things like the Phoenix lights that make me wonder. Of course personally, there's what my uncle has said, or rather not said that is my biggest hold on the thought.
If there were aliens that had the tech to visit earth though, who knows what else they could do? Their advanced tech would be absolutely amazing to us, we wouldn't know where to start. Think about what we can do now with our tech in the short ammount of time we have been tinkering. Then think about what our tech could be at in a thousand years... In 110 years we've gone from the model T, to the Bugatti Veryon. From the Wright Bro's first flight in 1903, to the X-37. From no computers at all, to whatever super computer there is out there. A thousand years is where any civilization that could visit earth is probably at time wise, maybe longer. To even think that "what we know" as humans is where the buck stops (as far as science and tech, well everything goes), is completely ignorant. Everything that we know is based mainly on theory, something that most people forget. Even our "laws of physics" have been broken quite a few times.
Basically, the way I see it is; are there aliens? Yes. Are they here? Don't know as I haven't ever seen one myself, however if people have seen them, it's because "they" want us to. [Beer]
I actually contend the opposite of others by saying its extremely unlikely aliens exist. I think science has dumbed down how amazing it is that anything is here on earth let alone us. The amount of either ridiculous dumb luck or creative design it would take is staggering, even if it was over a very long time and even though the universe is very large. And trust me I've studied science for 8 years in college, not including high school, an the more I study it the more I realize the odds of life existing and the complexities involved with developing intelligent life.
with our limited sight from earth and satellites we have identified several planets that have potential to house life similar to ours given their location from their sun and water. obviously this is not proof that they fit for life, or more specifically intelligent life, but I'd argue if we are able to find a few planets with the potential and we are only able to see the slimmest, tiniest, itty-bittiest amount of this utterly imaginably large universe then statistically there are probably billions or trillions of planets "fit for life" given our criteria.
are we 1 in a trillion situation? i wouldnt bet on it. this also doesnt take into account planets that aren't considered livable by us. its completely possible that life was able to survive and evolve in different situations and become intelligent.
it does take some extreme luck to form life, but when the numbers are so vast statistically it become much more likely.
We have made more advances in the last 70 years that the 1000 prior. I would say something sparked that. Was is aliens, who knows but there are too many things in this world that people try to explain but just can't. Who knows, maybe we are just an intergalactic science project. As others have said, statistically there has to be something else out there some place. I think if we ever had proof all the religious zealots would go nuts because it would shake religion to it's foundations.
i totally disagree.
life has change because people's careers have changed. a thousand years ago everyone was farmers, ranchers or a trade to support ranchers and farmers. when civilization became efficient and effective enough at agriculture we were able to specialize in other fields then food production. if you combine enough intelligence and effort into science and entrepreneurship you will obviously see a lot more results. the results are going to continue to be exponential given we are able to continue science, research and people are able to work freely in the field they want.
free markets are a very powerful force
If there were aliens that had the tech to visit earth though, who knows what else they could do? Their advanced tech would be absolutely amazing to us, we wouldn't know where to start. Think about what we can do now with our tech in the short ammount of time we have been tinkering. Then think about what our tech could be at in a thousand years... In 110 years we've gone from the model T, to the Bugatti Veryon. From the Wright Bro's first flight in 1903, to the X-37. From no computers at all, to whatever super computer there is out there. A thousand years is where any civilization that could visit earth is probably at time wise, maybe longer. To even think that "what we know" as humans is where the buck stops (as far as science and tech, well everything goes), is completely ignorant. Everything that we know is based mainly on theory, something that most people forget. Even our "laws of physics" have been broken quite a few times.
I agree here, if you look at it, we had primitive technology that advanced at a very slow rate (from ancient Greece to the 1600s), then it took what 300 years to get from muzzle loaded rifles to what we have today... but in the early 1900s when bolt guns were all the rage it took less than 100 years to get to a 3,000 rounds per minute cyclic rate... Not to mention computer technology has rapidly advanced from the 1960's (computers were only affordable to gov and huge corporations and were the size of rooms) to now (I have a computer 100x more powerful than a 60's era one and it fits in my freaking pocket!). Just in the last 20+ years- cell phones in 1990 were horrific by our standards today- we can do more in the palm of our hands than we used to be able to do in our entire house! Something from outside had to facilitate that.
Think about it, the Egyptians were able to build these massive structures (IE: Sphinx and Pyramids) with primitive technology that just 100 years later was still around but couldn't be employed in the same way... someone taught them how to do that. /tin foil hat.
ronaldrwl
07-11-2012, 10:26
You guys crack me up. Aliens and spaceships [ROFL2]
Zundfolge
07-11-2012, 10:33
Forget the aliens folks.......just focus on the Zombies!!
And just who do you think will MAKE the Zombies? Hmm?
Goodburbon
07-11-2012, 10:58
And just who do you think will MAKE the Zombies? Hmm?
OMG Alien mind control zombies....[M2]
Having the planet to support life isn't the problem, though certainly that limits things as well. The real problem is producing materials needed for life randomly. Take a protein. It has many amino acids, and even those are very complicated structures of atoms that fit perfectly for what they are designed to do. Then they have to come together perfectly to form a protein which is quite complex. Then for that protein to be useful it has to know how exactly to befolded. Once folded it has to now interact with hundreds if not thousands of lipids and carbohydrates that are just about as complex just to form a cell wall. Think of the complexities of a bacterium. It has no brain yet coding within it is able to produce the necessary components for things like electrolyte and water balance. It is able to heal itself and produce counter measures to things that aim to destroy it. It can use energy and reproduce. All from a tiny organism that compared to everything else has very few parts but in the grand scheme to exist is a complete miracle. They have done the math on the likelihood of life existing, especially if from itself only, and the numbers are FAAAAAAR greater than anything in the trillions. Trillions don't even touch the surface.
with our limited sight from earth and satellites we have identified several planets that have potential to house life similar to ours given their location from their sun and water. obviously this is not proof that they fit for life, or more specifically intelligent life, but I'd argue if we are able to find a few planets with the potential and we are only able to see the slimmest, tiniest, itty-bittiest amount of this utterly imaginably large universe then statistically there are probably billions or trillions of planets "fit for life" given our criteria.
are we 1 in a trillion situation? i wouldnt bet on it. this also doesnt take into account planets that aren't considered livable by us. its completely possible that life was able to survive and evolve in different situations and become intelligent.
it does take some extreme luck to form life, but when the numbers are so vast statistically it become much more likely.
i totally disagree.
life has change because people's careers have changed. a thousand years ago everyone was farmers, ranchers or a trade to support ranchers and farmers. when civilization became efficient and effective enough at agriculture we were able to specialize in other fields then food production. if you combine enough intelligence and effort into science and entrepreneurship you will obviously see a lot more results. the results are going to continue to be exponential given we are able to continue science, research and people are able to work freely in the field they want.
free markets are a very powerful force
tmleadr03
07-11-2012, 11:28
I agree here, if you look at it, we had primitive technology that advanced at a very slow rate (from ancient Greece to the 1600s), then it took what 300 years to get from muzzle loaded rifles to what we have today... but in the early 1900s when bolt guns were all the rage it took less than 100 years to get to a 3,000 rounds per minute cyclic rate... Not to mention computer technology has rapidly advanced from the 1960's (computers were only affordable to gov and huge corporations and were the size of rooms) to now (I have a computer 100x more powerful than a 60's era one and it fits in my freaking pocket!). Just in the last 20+ years- cell phones in 1990 were horrific by our standards today- we can do more in the palm of our hands than we used to be able to do in our entire house! Something from outside had to facilitate that.
Think about it, the Egyptians were able to build these massive structures (IE: Sphinx and Pyramids) with primitive technology that just 100 years later was still around but couldn't be employed in the same way... someone taught them how to do that. /tin foil hat.
Oh FFS. The Egyptians were stone age people who wore the skins of their neighbors for clothing. The pyramids were not built using arches or domes or columns or anything fancy. They are built using the easiest way to make tall buildings, piles of dirt. Big at the base and small at the top. This is not rocket science. Nor did they even get it right all the time.
i should add that yes, these mixtures of atoms is not happening only at one time, millions or billions are possible to be occurring all at once. but if you consider the number of atoms available, even if the biosphere is made up of a significantly higher amount of nitrogen, oxygen and carbon, you still have a very daunting task. not only do two amino acids need to form together, over 30 do to get even the most basic enzymes. and they have to fit perfectly. and after fitting it has to fold perfectly. and even after that, somehow that enzyme has to get the ability to actually do things.
Oh FFS. The Egyptians were stone age people who wore the skins of their neighbors for clothing. The pyramids were not built using arches or domes or columns or anything fancy. They are built using the easiest way to make tall buildings, piles of dirt. Big at the base and small at the top. This is not rocket science. Nor did they even get it right all the time.
i agree, i think we always fail to give our ancestors credit for being able to complete tasks which although very difficult don't defy physics. with enough time or enough man power, the pyramids aren't a surprising feat. the most amazing aspect of them is that people would be motivated enough to do it. people today would just find something that large of scale with such little purpose (by our standards of course) to be a waste of time and energy. you have to remember that our ancestors were just as intelligent as we are, they just didn't have some of the discoveries we do. but they could think and problem solve just the same and when you have a civilization around for a long time they can come up with some pretty nifty things. think how many ideas we still use from the romans. we may have perfected them but they created the original ideas.
again, the idea that since we had a burst of technological advances means we will continue to do so is flawed. we can perfect what we have until we reach the maximum of our understanding of physics and chemistry. i think it very likely many of the laws we have observed in the sceiences will someday be debunked as not being properly understood, and that will further increase our technology. but it is possible for your technology to plateau until you make another MAJOR break through in how we understand the world around us. what is amazing is for how much we do know, there is so much, even simple things, that we don't understand. the ability to make a computer and then 30-40 years later shrink it down to a tiny size with much more power isn't really that impressive in the grand scheme of things. even firearms aren't that impressive, the science behind them is simple once you find a substance that combusts. once you discover firearms, perfecting them is simple and logical. think about going from a musket to self contained cartridges. it seems like a big step because it was so much more effective, but it is an amazing idea. someone trying to perfect it and think outside the box would come up with that option rather quickly. war, for all its ugliness, has an amazing ability to motivate people to perfect things such as materials, size, and efficiency. now the kind of technology advances that DOES matter are things likelearning how to bend what we understand of physics and people are working on that in many fields. i know one guy working on teleportation for the government. the idea is actually there and a sound one, the problem is figuring out how to get anything larger than a photon to travel faster than light.
Oh FFS. The Egyptians were stone age people who wore the skins of their neighbors for clothing. The pyramids were not built using arches or domes or columns or anything fancy. They are built using the easiest way to make tall buildings, piles of dirt. Big at the base and small at the top. This is not rocket science. Nor did they even get it right all the time.
What you forget to mention is that they used tools that were inconceivable for the time period, built them at a pace that was looked at as "ludicrous" (Spaceballs reference please?), and some of the design features were seen as way ahead of the time for a primitive society. Yes slave labor got things done back then, but I'd like someone explain how they managed to build something, with materials that came from as far away as the distance from Fort Collins to Pueblo no less, in the time they did, at the quality that they did (we still see the pyramids today, while in other parts of the world some of the ancient structures are long gone. Remember, this was an era when the lever and the wheel were revolutionary marvels.
tmleadr03
07-11-2012, 13:38
What you forget to mention is that they used tools that were inconceivable for the time period, built them at a pace that was looked at as "ludicrous" (Spaceballs reference please?), and some of the design features were seen as way ahead of the time for a primitive society. Yes slave labor got things done back then, but I'd like someone explain how they managed to build something, with materials that came from as far away as the distance from Fort Collins to Pueblo no less, in the time they did, at the quality that they did (we still see the pyramids today, while in other parts of the world some of the ancient structures are long gone. Remember, this was an era when the lever and the wheel were revolutionary marvels.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
I'd believe in aliens from outer space before I'd believe in "God", "heaven", "angels", "Satan" and "Hell". At least there's been some sort of presumed evidence of aliens, but only a book written by mortals of all the other stuff.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
Dated 2008... I watched a documentary last year about Egypt that pointed to new(er) evidence that they were far more advanced than we had earlier believed.
But I digress, I really don't want to harp on this and argue with you for 3 pages on this subject, the real question is, do you believe in the possibility of the existence of extra terrestrials, Scully?
I'd believe in aliens from outer space before I'd believe in "God", "heaven", "angels", "Satan" and "Hell". At least there's been some sort of presumed evidence of aliens, but only a book written by mortals of all the other stuff.
I agree... What if all these Gods that ancient (and current) cultures worship(ed) were in fact just aliens? Oh jeez! Now it all makes sense!
tmleadr03
07-11-2012, 14:25
Dated 2008... I watched a documentary last year about Egypt that pointed to new(er) evidence that they were far more advanced than we had earlier believed.
But I digress, I really don't want to harp on this and argue with you for 3 pages on this subject, the real question is, do you believe in the possibility of the existence of extra terrestrials, Scully?
I agree... What if all these Gods that ancient (and current) cultures worship(ed) were in fact just aliens? Oh jeez! Now it all makes sense!
Is there other life in the universe? Yes. Did that life come to earth and help build the pyramids? Stargate universe much?
I'd believe in aliens from outer space before I'd believe in "God", "heaven", "angels", "Satan" and "Hell". At least there's been some sort of presumed evidence of aliens, but only a book written by mortals of all the other stuff.
i would argue there is as much evidence for both and that neither has more evidence than the other. thats why it always makes me laugh when people mock people who believe in a religion but then they themselves believe in all sorts of things with no more evidence. heck, to believe solely in evolution takes as much faith, especially when you work it all the way back to the beginning. all we have are theories on how it all worked out, some of which defy our current understandings of physics yet are still widely accepted. fact is everyone has to have faith in something, it just depends on what that is.
for religion and extraterrestrials, its all personal experiences and vague reports/photos/videos that show supposed supernatural events or encounters. thats about all the evidence we have of either.
Life is too pervasive, varied, and resilient to be confined to one planet amongst the billions of stars. Whether you believe in a higher power or random chance or mathematical probability, life is both miraculous and inevitable. To believe that we are the only "intelligent" (?) life in the universe is conceit beyond comprehension.
Life is too pervasive, varied, and resilient to be confined to one planet amongst the billions of stars. Whether you believe in a higher power or random chance or mathematical probability, life is both miraculous and inevitable. To believe that we are the only "intelligent" (?) life in the universe is conceit beyond comprehension.
in my opinion it is wrong to say intelligent life HAS to exist outside of earth because it ignores the compelxities and probabilities of life not only being created but then producing an intelligent life form. on the other hand, it is equally wrong to say it CANNOT exist as this ignores the vastness of time and space. we really have absolutely no conclusive evidence whatsoever that intelligent life does exist nor do we have any conclusive evidence to say it doesn't. to make ultimate statements about such a thing really just comes down to personal belief.
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