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jscwerve
07-14-2012, 15:36
Any of you guys know the folks involved? I searched here and only came up with one thread with a mention of anyone that is in this letter.

Cliff notes:
Active duty Green Beret questions claims of someone claiming to be ex SF
Inquires to the Army and the Special Operations Association that the guy claims to be part of
Finds Fraud
The guy is a lawyer and is suing the AD guy and others that question his credentials.
The SOA is on the side of the guy committing the alleged fraud.
Guy was actually in the army for a total of 58 days and couldn't make it through boot.



Most of you have heard my name by now, and are aware of the existence, if not the specifics, of the ongoing conflict I have with Dr. John Giduck, as well as the current Special Operations Association Board of Directors, and certain National Officers who recently left office at the Special Forces Association.

John Meyer, in response to my “bird strike” story yesterday, sent me a pithy little note wishing me well. For John Meyer to send me a nice little note takes what I will charitably classify as unmitigated gall. I will now break my silence on this subject.

My name is Jonathan Clouse. I am an Active Duty US Army Special Forces Team Sergeant. I am a Life Member of the Special Operations Association and a Decade Life Member of the Special Forces Association. I have served as a member of US Army Special Forces since 1996.

In December 2011, it came to my attention that Dr. John Giduck was claiming to be a “Life Member of the Special Operations Association” in promotional advertising materials.

I knew that the Special Operations Association By-Laws specifically forbade use of the SOA name in commercial advertising, and I also suspected that Dr. Giduck was, in fact, an “Honorary Member,” not a “Life Member,” as he claimed. The SOA By-Laws also specifically address Honorary Members, clearly stipulating that an “Honorary Member” is not a member at all.

After some minimal research, I also learned that Dr. Giduck has been using advertising for years which promotes him as either a former or retired SF soldier, which I suspected he was not. Various supporters of Dr. Giduck had been getting on the SOCNET online forum to defend Dr. Giduck, and levy accusations against SOCNET, which had stirred some debate on SOCNET about Dr. Giduck’s background, qualifications, and current self-promotion as an anti-terrorism lecturer and trainer.

On the online forum SOCNET, I announced my intention to inquire as to Dr. Giduck’s membership status with the Special Operations Association.

I wrote an email to the SOA Membership chairman, who confirmed for me that Dr. Giduck is, in fact, an Honorary Member. The membership chairman further wrote that I should address the issue to the SOA President, John S. Meyer.

John Meyer responded to me that Dr. John Giduck was a strong supporter of the SOA, and assured me that Mr. Meyer did not believe that Dr. Giduck had ever misrepresented himself. Mr. Meyer personally vouched for Dr. Giduck. My correspondence to John Meyer was in my capacity as a full Life Member of the Special Operations Association, and my inquiry was in keeping with the SOA By-Laws, which clearly state that any member who finds someone using the SOA name in violation of the By-Laws (as Dr. Giduck clearly was), should report that violation to the Board of Directors.

Out of respect for John Meyer, I publicly (on SOCNET) wrote the following on 14 December 2011:

“John Meyer, the President of the Special Operations Association, has responded to my concerns about Mr. Giduck.

Mr. Giduck is an honorary life member of the SOA. Honorary life memberships are given to personnel who do not qualify for regular membership, yet have supported SOF and the SOA in some meaningful fashion.

Mr. Meyer states that he does not believe that Giduck wrote those things about himself (former SF guy, etc) and believes that others likely wrote that in a promotional effort. Meyer is clear that, in the many years he has known and been associated with Mr. Giduck, Giduck has never represented himself as a former member of any US SOF organization. Mr. Meyer elaborated for me some of the service that Giduck has provided to the SOA and SOF efforts in general.

As a result, and due to my personal respect for John Meyer, who is a genuine BTDT, and an authority on many historical aspects of SOF, I will personally cease fire on Mr. Giduck, and any weenies who come on this site and defend Mr. Giduck's honor.”

(http://www.socnet.com/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=81 (http://www.socnet.com/showpost.php?p=1058070003&postcount=81))

This was the last time I publicly commented on Dr. Giduck.

A few days later I received a very wordy threat letter from Dr. Giduck in the mail. Dr. Giduck accused me of numerous crimes and civil violations dating back to 2007, and stated that I had to pay him $200,000.00, and give him the names, phone numbers, and home addresses of a long list of SOCNET members (I had only been aware of and reading SOCNET since January 2011, and had never really heard of Dr. Giduck until December 2011).

Dr. Giduck further threatened that if I did not pay him the money and meet his demands, he would accuse me of numerous crimes, subjecting me to criminal prosecution.

Dr. Giduck further wrote that he had obtained photos of my home, and that I faced additional criminal charges if I tried to sell my home or any other item of value I own. In the letter, Dr. Giduck informed me that he had learned my name and address from John Meyer, the President of the Special Operations Association.

John Meyer confirmed to me, in writing, that he had, in fact, forwarded my inquiry to Dr. Giduck.

I sent the threat letter to my uncle, who is an attorney. My uncle wrote a letter to the SOA Board, providing the Board a copy of Dr. Giduck’s threat letter, and requesting that the SOA indemnify me in the event that Dr. Giduck filed a lawsuit against me, since John Meyer’s transmission of my identity and address is the only reason Dr. Giduck knew my name. Most lawyers would say my correspondence with John Meyer was privileged communication. I certainly believed that John Meyer would keep my correspondence with him confidential.

The SOA Board gave the request for indemnification to Dr. Giduck, since, according to his public statements, he is the SOA’s attorney. Since that time, the SOA Board has made no attempt to contact me in any way. Two lawyers have contacted my lawyers on behalf of the SOA, but neither lawyer was willing to answer any questions or provide any information as to the position of the SOA in this affair. Despite my lawyers’ continued attempts at correspondence, the lawyers representing the SOA ceased responding to my lawyers after a short time.

Since that time, the following has happened:

-The Police Department in Chester, PA, called me, telling me that they and the FBI were conducting a criminal investigation. The Police Commissioner for the Chester, PA Police Department is Dr. Giduck’s friend and business partner (in the consulting firm Archangel Group), Joseph Bail.

-Dr. Giduck published my name, rank, duty assignment, and place of duty online. He also publicly accused me of numerous felonies, as well as publicly accusing me of misuse of government computers and spending my duty hours masterminding plots targeting Dr. Giduck.

Dr. Giduck published online threats to my personal safety, alleging that I should be afraid that Russian Spetznaz would likely target me out of loyalty to Dr. Giduck. He also made additional claims questioning my integrity and honor, and accusing me of publicly boasting (online) that I had a “million-dollar home” (which is laughable, not very many NCOs live in fancy homes).

-Dr. Giduck made an official complaint to the Department of the Army, alleging the same, attempting to get the Army to take action against me and attempting to negatively impact my career. The Army conducted a full investigation, completely clearing me of any and all wrongdoing alleged by Dr. Giduck.

Now Dr. Giduck has apparently filed an actual lawsuit, naming me as a part of a vast criminal conspiracy, further alleging felony criminal conduct on my part. Dr, Giduck’s assertions are beyond laughable; his claims are downright ridiculous. Regardless, Dr. Giduck’s actions have become a significant distraction on my life, requiring significant time, energy, and money on my part.

SOA President John Meyer, former Special Forces Association President Ron “Beaver” McCan, and former SOA President James Hetrick have all assisted Dr. John Giduck in this campaign against me. Dr. Giduck publicly cites these men and their status within the SOA and SFA as proof that he is on the right side of this conflict. Ron McCan went so far as to go through Special Warfare Center student records, in an effort to find derogatory information to discredit a Special Forces Association member who publicly defended me.

I have remained publicly silent about Dr. Giduck, and his friends John Meyer, Ron McCan, and James Hetrick until now. Each of you can decide if the actions of John Meyer, Ron McCan, and James Hetrick are consistent with the principles and values of the Special Forces Association and the Special Operations Association.

I once believed in a brotherhood of the Green Beret. I believed that SF guys would all stand together if one of their own was attacked. Unfortunately, some in both the SOA and SFA have shown that the brotherhood of the Green Beret can be trumped by other concerns, and they have chosen to back Dr. Giduck against me. I still believe in the brotherhood, but I also believe that the actions of a few have tarnished the SOA, the SFA, and the SF Regiment.

It is up to each of you to decide who has failed to live up to the principles and ideals embodied by the Green Beret. Have my actions been dishonorable, as Dr. Giduck and his supporters have clearly and publicly stated?

To those of you who have supported me, I truly thank you. For the rest of the Special Forces Association and the Special Operations Association, you can determine for yourself if the actions by the Presidents of those two organizations reflect you, as John Meyer, Ron McCan, James Hetrick, and John Giduck are acting in your name.

Jonathan Clouse also,

Quote:
Press Release
12 July 2012

Subject: Fake Green Beret Sues Military Heroes to Silence Their Criticism.

On June 11th 2012 a Colorado man, John Giduck, filed a SLAPP lawsuit in an effort to censor, intimidate and silence veterans by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism of him. (SLAPP: "Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation."). Ironically, Mr. Giduck is suing some of the same veterans who exposed congressional candidate Ken Aden (Arkansas, 3d District) for his false claims as a Special Forces Soldier (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/congre...5#.T_9KOXCXJUU).

The veterans, several of whom are decorated special operations personnel, questioned Mr. Giduck's claims to be a "Green Beret" and a "former Army Ranger." Mr. Giduck has made such false claims repeatedly in promotional materials for law enforcement and military seminars. This link has a timeline of Mr. Giduck's various activities and examples of his false biographical information uncovered on the web:

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=108706.

In these seminars, Mr Giduck advocates tactics, techniques and procedures that the veterans find to be fundamentally unsound and dangerous. Among them are:

--Installing knock-out gas delivery systems in public schools;
--Deploying armed teams of former Special Operations personnel in public schools as opposed to local law enforcement;
--Employing fire hoses to neutralize heavily-armed terrorists holding student hostages.

Mr. Giduck previously threatened veterans that he perceived as threats to his credibility, and he resorted to bullying legal tactics. As a response to Mr. Giduck's bullying, veterans investigated his background and learned the following:

1. Mr. Giduck has been a practicing attorney in Colorado. One of his clients was Mrs. Donna Yaklich, a woman accused--and later convicted--of murdering her husband, a Pueblo PD Police Officer. Mr. Giduck had an affair with her after her husband’s death, and enjoyed a Caribbean holiday with her that was subsidized by her husband's death benefits. Mr. Giduck's legal fees were also paid from Dennis Yaklich's death benefits. After the Pueblo PD issued a warrant for her arrest, Mrs. Yaklich returned, turned herself in, and retained better counsel after Mr. Giduck was forced to recuse himself from the case.

2. Despite multiple instances where Mr. Giduck claims a background in "Special Forces" or as an "Army Ranger," Mr. Giduck never served in the military. He actually enlisted in the Army and failed out of basic training after 58 days; yet, over the course of years, allowed claims of him being a Special Forces Soldier to be publicly posted on advertising material and his very own website. Further, Mr. Giduck's credentials as a "terrorism expert" are thin. Mr. Giduck has no practical experience or formal training in counter-terrorism aside from a recent PhD. earned from a reputable university. Mr. Giduck's books have been derided by academic reviewers and genuine specialists in counter-terrorism.

3. Mr. Giduck publicly claims that he trained with the Russian Special Forces, known as Spetsnaz, and that he has connections to the FSB. The Russian FSB is the successor to the KGB from the Soviet era. Spetsnaz is a branch of the Russian GRU, the equivalent of our Defense Intelligence Agency. This claim alarmed those veterans who are still in government service. Personnel with active security clearances are required to report contact with such persons to their security and counter-intelligence sections. This obligation is mandatory, not optional.

Additional information is available:

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=107621

http://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/

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Wulf202
07-14-2012, 16:08
Good to know.

jerrymrc
07-14-2012, 16:18
I never will understand guys that just outright lie about there service. I also thought that the SF guys would have stood up but it looks like the imposter has greased many palms along the way. [Rant1]

Bailey Guns
07-14-2012, 17:12
I actually know a guy that worked for Giduck a few years ago. I might get in touch with him to see what he knows/feels about this.

kidicarus13
07-14-2012, 17:16
Oh, you already gave the Cliff notes version.

HBARleatherneck
07-14-2012, 17:21
delete

tmleadr03
07-14-2012, 17:25
cliff notes according to many on this forum

its ok to pretend to be a hero. who does it hurt?

I have no need to pretend that I went to Amphibious Recon School and BUDS and Airborn, not to mention I am a Ranger all the way (The only tabbed and scrolled Marine I know of) and now I work or NASA on the ISS as a guard against aliens... The ones from outer space, not south of the boarder. They are not that desperate for our jobs to get to the ISS yet.

HBARleatherneck
07-14-2012, 17:28
delete

jscwerve
07-14-2012, 17:33
Cliff notes version please


Cliff notes are already above the quoted text.

simplest version:

Real SF guy finds out that another guy claiming long military career, SF experience and association is full of crap. Calls him out, fake SF guy is suing the crap out of him and causing him tons of trouble.

jscwerve
07-14-2012, 17:35
Very interesting reading as well on the socnet links. Looks like the guy produced fake certificates and tried to pass them off as real. TONS of more stuff through those links.

spittoon
07-14-2012, 17:44
What a bunch of bs and the supreme court said it was ok to lie about your military record 1st amendment rights .But to live in a lie what A PILE OF SHIT . and the extort money to try and keep them silence PILE OF SHIT . no dd214 to back your play COWARD PILE OF SHIT

dorsum
07-14-2012, 18:10
That is FUBAR

TEAMRICO
07-14-2012, 18:32
I got alot of these cases when I was on The Supreme Court.

I should have passed an Executive Order against this when I was President.
Some people, sheesh.

HBARleatherneck
07-14-2012, 19:37
delete

jerrymrc
07-14-2012, 20:50
im not sure, but I think you are embelishing your record. we have only had one black president and he is half black. not like your self portrait.

of course you didnt say president of what.

just kidding. no hate mail please.

The CO AR-15 Mexi-Mafia will be along shortly to take care of you. [LOL]

I hear TEAMRICO is just an underpaid enforcer. [Coffee]

theGinsue
07-15-2012, 04:53
Wow; just wow!

I read the entire write-up posted here and most of the links in the SOCNET site.

I feel for this poor NCO who is facing this retaliatory legal assault from this scumbag attorney.

In my opinion, this never-was should be disbarred & all false claims he's making should be permanently removed. I also feel that he should be required to pay restitution to all those organizations he's defrauded. But then again, this is certainly why he's going so hard after this NCO who is finding evidence of his fraud. Can you imagine what the financial liability would be to this PhD if/when he's proven to be a fraud? His businesses would close and he'd be in debt to bankruptcy & beyond. He knows he's in deep doodoo so he's attacking anyone who questions his validity.

It seems that this guy (attorney) is a Colorado citizen. Anyone know what city he practices law in(can almost assume Pueblo based off of the information in these write-ups). I know that I'll never be using his services or those of any other attorney associated with him.

So, it's not okay (criminal) to impersonate a public safety member (firefighter or LEO) - even if you claim you were just exercising your "1st Amendment rights", but it is okay to fraudulently debunk thousands if not millions of dollars & put people in serious risk of death or injury with poor tactics under the guise of being a certified hero which is really just "stolen valor" which is now protected under the 1st Amendment? Color me crazy and ignorant, but I just don't get this.

jscwerve
07-15-2012, 14:43
The think that is fishy is the people that are defending this guy. I think there's plenty of evidence that this guy is a total fraud, so why does the SOA continue to defend him? Sounds to me like their board of directors is making some $$ off of this guys fraud as well.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that this asshole is making so much trouble for a SF active duty soldier.

theGinsue
07-15-2012, 14:48
They're defending him because he's donated LOTS of $$ to their org ~ just 10k in one payment. Who knows how many payments he's made. He effectively bought his right to claim he's a badass.

sneakerd
07-15-2012, 21:52
Just sent an email to the Association, asking if I could donate money and then claim to be SOF.

Guylee
07-16-2012, 05:58
Just sent an email to the Association, asking if I could donate money and then claim to be SOF.

Careful, you might get sued!

Danimal
07-16-2012, 07:01
You never know, but there seems to be more to this story than is indicated in the article given.

1) Why would the lawyer react the way that he did if there was only the one forum thread and the initial inquiry?

2) Why would the lawyer get backing from the organization at all? It seems to me that the action taken would have been to stay out of it and tell them to handle the case themselves. There is no reason to get involved because the situation as described is lose lose for them to bac the lawyer, unless there is something we are not being told.

I want to back the NCO, but the action - reaction for this situation does not add up. Plus, as some make believe war hero, it seems awful foolish to attack people trained to make people disappear.

Monky
07-16-2012, 09:34
Just sent an email to the Association, asking if I could donate money and then claim to be SOF.

If you donate A LOT I'm sure you could. Possible offer some sort of free service that's pricey too.. since it appears he is their attorney, I'm sure he's told them he's a $500/hr atty.


You never know, but there seems to be more to this story than is indicated in the article given.

1) Why would the lawyer react the way that he did if there was only the one forum thread and the initial inquiry?

2) Why would the lawyer get backing from the organization at all? It seems to me that the action taken would have been to stay out of it and tell them to handle the case themselves. There is no reason to get involved because the situation as described is lose lose for them to bac the lawyer, unless there is something we are not being told.

I want to back the NCO, but the action - reaction for this situation does not add up. Plus, as some make believe war hero, it seems awful foolish to attack people trained to make people disappear.

Money is a powerful motivator and it appears a greater cause than the truth.

Ronin13
07-16-2012, 10:02
This whole thing stinks! I am especially frightened for this SF NCO, this is something he definitely doesn't need, especially if he gets deployed because a distracted soldier is a dead soldier. I have zero (0, nada, zilch) respect for these guys who fake the funk. I met a guy while I was traveling back to NY after being on leave at the ATL airport and he noticed my US Army address tag on my bag (those little leather deals that tie onto your bag and have your name and address on it in case the bag gets lost- don't know the actual name). He asked if I was in the service and I said yes, I was on leave. He then told me how he had been AD in the 80's and spent some time as an operator with OD-D (Delta Force)- something didn't sit right as I've only met one Delta Operator in my life and they don't say much about that, but this guy went on and on about his experiences and classified operations (no locations but he did say some details that would be very closely guarded secrets) and one of them even was the plot directly out of an episode of the Unit (the one where they pose as Secret Service and have to bug a foreign embassy). I didn't call him out on it, good thing too, because I don't wanna get sued. [Bang]