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[raymill]

Dont know how acurate this is but I thought I would share it. I am at FT Carson and have not heard of this or been asked to fill anything out yet.
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[HBARleatherneck]

im pretty sure, this has been going on for some time now.

[Ronin13]

And this is a little dated... um that whole 90 days til inauguration thing, that's long passed.

[Sharpienads]

Ft Riley is the only post I've heard of that actually does this. I've never personally been asked to do this or know of anyone who has.

[Rucker61]

Here's a mention of it from 2009:

http://www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/04/military-personnel-required-to-list-off-post-arms/

[josh7328]

Dont know how acurate this is but I thought I would share it. I am at FT Carson and have not heard of this or been asked to fill anything out yet.
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Were you at Carson a couple years ago? They did a huge push to get all off-post private weapons registered on Ft. Carson too. Even if they were your spouses. I just kept my mouth shut about owning what I own, and waited out the storm. Luckily, the NDAA passed and included (to my understanding) a rider that prohibited the Provost Marshall from collecting off-post firearm info, and they were given 30 days to destroy their existing records or they could be criminally charged. I kept a copy of the law in my pocket at work, but immediately after I heard about the NDAA rider, the registration demands ended and I never had to fight the system about it.

[raymill]

No matter how outdated it is, this is something that should not be happening. I understand registering your firearms for use on post or if you reside there. The info for registering on post is just make, model, serial #, and barrell length and Commanders signature, no other info is asked.

[raymill]

@josh7328 I never new that. I was here from 01-09 and just came back in April.

[josh7328]

@josh7328 I never new that. I was here from 01-09 and just came back in April.
If I recall correctly, this happened some time in 2010-2011. AND I just remembered them hounding us about concealed carry. You know how they're always down motorcycle rider's throats? It was like that, but with guns.

[airborneranger]

It isn't happening, I promise you. The only time you have to register your weapons on post is if they are stored on post or if you bring them on post to shoot. A unit CANNOT make you register a weapon that is kept off post and you don't bring it on post.

Some years ago, there was a S-2 form that claimed that if you lived within 50 miles of post you had to register you weapons. We squashed that one dead.

If someone tries to tell you that you HAVE to register your off-post weapons, just swing on by the IG office and it will be handled.

[josh7328]

It isn't happening, I promise you. The only time you have to register your weapons on post is if they are stored on post or if you bring them on post to shoot. A unit CANNOT make you register a weapon that is kept off post and you don't bring it on post.

Some years ago, there was a S-2 form that claimed that if you lived within 50 miles of post you had to register you weapons. We squashed that one dead.

If someone tries to tell you that you HAVE to register your off-post weapons, just swing on by the IG office and it will be handled.
Roger. Thanks. Are you IG? If so, was my information correct regards to the NDAA prohibiting such actions?

[airborneranger]

Roger. Thanks. Are you IG? If so, was my information correct regards to the NDAA prohibiting such actions?

Only for a few more days :).

I don't know about the NDAA but there was a time when the S2 bubbas were putting out bad info along with the PMO. None of it was cleared with legal. Once we fixed that, the unconstitutional registration of weapons ended.

[Byte Stryke]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/campbell.asp

[sabot_round]

It is prohibited that units at Ft Carson (or Army wide) collect info from your weapons that you keep off post. Unless you intend to bring them on post, there is no requirement in AR 190-11, appendix B to register your weapons on post or give any information about your off post weapons. That is unless you are under investigation for domestic violence, or your chain of command feels that you are a threat to yourself or others.

[jerrymrc]

It is prohibited that units at Ft Carson (or Army wide) collect info from your weapons that you keep off post. Unless you intend to bring them on post, there is no requirement in AR 190-11, appendix B to register your weapons on post or give any information about your off post weapons. That is unless you are under investigation for domestic violence, or your chain of command feels that you are a threat to yourself or others.

There was push about 3 years ago as said.
Were you at Carson a couple years ago? They did a huge push to get all off-post private weapons registered on Ft. Carson too. Even if they were your spouses.

I helped my boss at the time fill out over 20+ cards so he could register his "Off Post" weapons.

It may not be that way today but it was just a short time ago. I also hear that some of the WTU solders have been asked to fill out the cards.;) but that seems to be case by case.

[airborneranger]

There was push about 3 years ago as said.

I helped my boss at the time fill out over 20+ cards so he could register his "Off Post" weapons.

It may not be that way today but it was just a short time ago. I also hear that some of the WTU solders have been asked to fill out the cards.;) but that seems to be case by case.

Yup, I was asked to fill one out back in 09 when I first got to Carson. It was the BN S2 who tried to convince me to do it. It shouldn't be happening anymore.

[theGinsue]

It isn't happening, I promise you. The only time you have to register your weapons on post is if they are stored on post or if you bring them on post to shoot. A unit CANNOT make you register a weapon that is kept off post and you don't bring it on post.

Some years ago, there was a S-2 form that claimed that if you lived within 50 miles of post you had to register you weapons. We squashed that one dead.

If someone tries to tell you that you HAVE to register your off-post weapons, just swing on by the IG office and it will be handled.

Great memory Sir!

There was a concerted push across the Department of the Army around 2009, but it wasn't initiated at all posts before the complaints went up to enough Congressmembers that DoD & DoA had to back off from this requirement. If any units attempt to make their troops do this, it will effectively end that persons career.

Now, if a soldier is considered a possible risk for violent behavior, they can be ordered, under escort, to retrieve those firearms and turn them into the armory. But that's a whole different issue.

[ETA: I type too slow. Jerry & AirborneRanger seem to have covered it all already.]

[Scanker19]

Back when Carson was under 7id that was the post policy that every E-5 and below had to store in arms room, and all were registered on post if you lived within 60 miles. It wasnt enforced often, unless you had by the book people.

The Army is the most Anit-gun org out there.

A few years ago soldiers at one of the Alaskan Posts were prohibited from carrying concealed without permit.

[airborneranger]

Great memory Sir!

There was a concerted push across the Department of the Army around 2009, but it wasn't initiated at all posts before the complaints went up to enough Congressmembers that DoD & DoA had to back off from this requirement. If any units attempt to make their troops do this, it will effectively end that persons career.

Now, if a soldier is considered a possible risk for violent behavior, they can be ordered, under escort, to retrieve those firearms and turn them into the armory. But that's a whole different issue.

[ETA: I type too slow. Jerry & AirborneRanger seem to have covered it all already.]

LOL. So many people who actually know the facts! I am impressed [Beer]

[Scanker19]

Roger. Thanks. Are you IG? If so, was my information correct regards to the NDAA prohibiting such actions?

http://www.usarak.army.mil/2eng/WEBSITE/PolicyLetters/Repeal%20of%20Concealed%20Firearm%20Policy.pdf

Seems this mentioned the NDAA for FY11, to repeal the restriction of CC in Alaska that I just mentioned.

[TAR31]

Back when Carson was under 7id that was the post policy that every E-5 and below had to store in arms room, and all were registered on post if you lived within 60 miles. It wasnt enforced often, unless you had by the book people.
I remember that but it was E-4 and below had to store in the arms room. Platoon sgt told me I had to register my guns, told him I sold them.

[josh7328]

I remember that but it was E-4 and below had to store in the arms room. Platoon sgt told me I had to register my guns, told him I sold them.
Yeah, after they finally found out that I have guns, I made a fake bill of sale selling them all to my wife for $1. That pissed them off. I loved it.

[theGinsue]

LOL. So many people who actually know the facts! I am impressed [Beer]

Yeah. I'm not as dumb as I look. (Okay, in all fairness, there aren't many who are as dumb as I look [LOL])

[jerrymrc]

LOL. So many people who actually know the facts! I am impressed [Beer]
The problem with many of my children (what I call my solders) is that They are like many of the shepple out there. If I took a form and asked them to fill out there weapons on it they would go "OK".

But ask them what there phone # is and you get "WHY?" No man, that is my business. I try to educate as best I can but important stuff that to them does not affect em they are clueless.

Then again they like to post everything on FB.........[Bang]

Us old Solders do the best we can. ;) And no offense to the many AD here. If you are here you have a clue. I only have one that is here that I know of but then I am Meddac. Now there are two other Civilians from my shop here but they are old Solders as well.

[airborneranger]

Then again they like to post everything on FB.........[Bang]


You would not believe that crap that comes into my office from Facebook posts. My favorite line: "if you are going to cheat on your spouse, don't post it on Facebook"

[jerrymrc]

You would not believe that crap that comes into my office from Facebook posts. My favorite line: "if you are going to cheat on your spouse, don't post it on Facebook"

Yep![Beer] I am sure Sabot Round goes through this as well.;)

[sabot_round]

Yep![Beer] I am sure Sabot Round goes through this as well.;)

[LOL] You won't believe half of the the crap that comes across my desk.

On another note, the push to register off post weapons on Ft Carson dates back to 2004. That was right after we (3D CAV) came back from OIF I. We saw the policy letter come from 7ID HQ's directing as such, within a 60 mile radius. I just said "two tears in a bucket".