View Full Version : CCW Illegal in Aurora?!?!?!
ghettoblaster
07-22-2012, 15:12
So I was reading the news following the shooting at Century 16 and some are reporting that it's illegal to CC in Aurora. Is this true? This was their source:
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm
I got my CCW in Douglas County before I moved up to Aurora, but I renewed it with my new address in Aurora and have been carrying since I moved up here. I've got the permit legally, but does carrying in my home town make me a law breaker of some sort?
Curious how that works out.
Obviously it's debatable if results would have been different if someone in the audience had been carrying, but I always feel safer when I'm carrying anyway, regardless of whether some nut comes through the emergency exit in riot gear....[AR15]
Absolutely not. Stop spreading that rumor now.
CCW laws are state laws. Aurora cannot override and make illegal locally.
bobbyfairbanks
07-22-2012, 15:16
Absolutely not. Stop spreading that rumor now.
CCW laws are state laws. Aurora cannot override and make illegal locally.
Cheers
ghettoblaster
07-22-2012, 15:30
Absolutely not. Stop spreading that rumor now.
CCW laws are state laws. Aurora cannot override and make illegal locally.
Hey man just quoting what I read. I didn't think it likely, but then Aurora has a different history than Castle Rock (where they issued my CCW). I'd be happy to stop believing that rumor, I just had to check instead of waiting till I get pulled over and slapped in cuffs for having a loaded pistol in Aurora, regardless of CCW.
osok-308
07-22-2012, 15:31
It's only illegal if you do not have a concealed carry license, just like the rest of the state, even Denver has to comply even though they tried to fight it.
spqrzilla
07-22-2012, 15:49
First of all, that link is full of misinformation.
But secondly, why can't the OP read it? The second paragraph whines that all the laws listed are overridden by Colorado state law.
And lastly, why is someone with no posting history posting this here?
10mm-man
07-22-2012, 16:11
So I was reading the news following the shooting at Century 16 and some are reporting that it's illegal to CC in Aurora. Is this true? This was their source:
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm
I got my CCW in Douglas County before I moved up to Aurora, but I renewed it with my new address in Aurora and have been carrying since I moved up here. I've got the permit legally, but does carrying in my home town make me a law breaker of some sort?
Curious how that works out.
Obviously it's debatable if results would have been different if someone in the audience had been carrying, but I always feel safer when I'm carrying anyway, regardless of whether some nut comes through the emergency exit in riot gear....[AR15]
[Bang][Bang] Dude were did you take your CCW class? Did you not read the rules of the CCW or shall I say CRS? Maybe you need to do some reading and please do TRAIN, TRAIN , TRAIN...
CCW is state wide. If you aren't violating a small restricted zone, then you are fine.
Denver tried this tactic. That's why the state laws are worded so strictly.
CCW is a state law (not to mention a RIGHT). There are a small number of places that are excluded. In general, nobody can outlaw CCW on a broad spectrum in Colorado. Thank god for this.
And lastly, why is someone with no posting history posting this here?
I'm hoping that he is here seeking the truth (or as close to it as we can come). The State trumps any local laws, I was at a city council meeting and was talking with an Aurora LEO about this, he said a CHP was legal in the civic center even.
ghettoblaster
07-22-2012, 16:43
First of all, that link is full of misinformation.
But secondly, why can't the OP read it? The second paragraph whines that all the laws listed are overridden by Colorado state law.
And lastly, why is someone with no posting history posting this here?
hey man, I was just using the link provided by the original article (which the news reporter has now gone back and corrected, it seems). I'm not good at reading legalese, but I remember in the CCW training that there are places that can specifically ban people from carrying. University campuses used to be included, although that appears to be changing, and of course government agencies could keep them out as well if they wanted. My work campus has specifically restricted carrying firearms as well. Thank you for correcting my ignorance, but I figured it was better to double check than to get arrested for something I had previously thought legal.
If posting a question here without having been a member of the site for a year is a criminal offense then hey, my bad. My membership got wiped out TWICE when that server crap happened and since I'm still listed as a noob I didn't figure it was worth my time trying to prove otherwise.
Didn't think I'd be confronted with such a rude response. Thanks and peace out, guys.
10mm-man
07-22-2012, 16:59
Didn't think I'd be confronted with such a rude response. Thanks and peace out, guys.
Hey man don't sweat it to much! I think with being so new and all the trolls on here in the last couple of days, that is why you got the answers you did...
However, as a responsible gun owner you should also know the CRS that allows you to CCW/CHP. As for your work campus, they can't tell you, you can't conceal carry. They can put sign up, etc. but it doesn't over ride the State laws. There is a section in the CRS explaining all this, so just go to CBI website and read the CRS. It will explain it way better than I have. Also if your gonna carry concealed you better be good enough at legalese to know were you stand, don't just take someones word for it. Know the LAW.....
hammer03
07-22-2012, 17:05
Denver sued the state regarding open carry in the city and county of Denver, and it was decided that state preemption laws did not extend to their restrictions on open carry. Maybe the news folks got it confused (or more likely, didn't do their due diligence).
Also, your work campus cannot legally bar you from carrying concealed. They can, however, fire you for doing so.
10mm-man
07-22-2012, 17:12
They can, however, fire you for doing so.
Yes and charge you with trespassing, etc, etc. But if your concealed nobody should know... [Beer]
Maybe a General sub-section newbie forum could be erected. That way some of you "experts" have a warning that possible stupid newbie - low post count questions inside. Enter at your own risk. That way we won't be responsible for wasting your time. We ask because we may need clarification or an opinion. If you don't want to help, don't. Maybe if we post to more of the worthless "Pink Pony" threads, and the like (sorry pink pony guys/gals) we could achieve an acceptable post count.
ghettoblaster
07-22-2012, 17:43
Maybe the news folks got it confused (or more likely, didn't do their due diligence).
Also, your work campus cannot legally bar you from carrying concealed. They can, however, fire you for doing so.
I've never been so bold as to think carrying my gun to work, even concealed, would be a good idea. The most I ever do is leave it locked up in the car (parking garage patrolled by security and requires badge to enter). No sense losing my job and starting a legal battle over something that isn't a big issue to me anyway. It's hard enough to get into the building and past all the security that leads up to my floor that having to shoot someone up there is something I will never have to worry about.
Frankly, my enthusiasm for shooting doesn't extend to a need to have one with me every moment of every day. I just like to know that when I want one with me, I can do so legally without being hassled by "the man". I got the CCW three years ago and I've followed the CRS changes, especially regarding universities as I've been working on a Masters, and mostly wondered whether this was some new change I hadn't heard of before.
Glad to hear it's just bad reporting after following a link on the Drudge report. Most journalists wouldn't know a real "AR15" if it jumped up and bit them.
spqrzilla
07-22-2012, 18:32
That does not explain why you didn't read the link yourself before posting it here.
Nothing against the OP but I have seen so many Newbies in the last couple days.
jerrymrc
07-22-2012, 20:47
Nothing against the OP but I have seen so many Newbies in the last couple days.
Should have seen them in the Admin section. Looked like we were the most popular web site around.[Coffee]
skullybones
07-22-2012, 21:29
I've never been so bold as to think carrying my gun to work, even concealed, would be a good idea. The most I ever do is leave it locked up in the car (parking garage patrolled by security and requires badge to enter). No sense losing my job and starting a legal battle over something that isn't a big issue to me anyway. It's hard enough to get into the building and past all the security that leads up to my floor that having to shoot someone up there is something I will never have to worry about.
Frankly, my enthusiasm for shooting doesn't extend to a need to have one with me every moment of every day. I just like to know that when I want one with me, I can do so legally without being hassled by "the man". I got the CCW three years ago and I've followed the CRS changes, especially regarding universities as I've been working on a Masters, and mostly wondered whether this was some new change I hadn't heard of before.
Glad to hear it's just bad reporting after following a link on the Drudge report. Most journalists wouldn't know a real "AR15" if it jumped up and bit them.
Seriously!
Check reality before trusting such broad generalizations.
Not for nothing but if you are taking the time out of your day to get a ccw then imo you should be carrying every moment of everyday....you cant choose when your going to have a badguy come and try to ruin your day....only time I don't have my ccw on me is in the shower and when I'm asleep even then there within arms reach
Not for nothing but if you are taking the time out of your day to get a ccw then imo you should be carrying every moment of everyday....you cant choose when your going to have a badguy come and try to ruin your day....only time I don't have my ccw on me is in the shower and when I'm asleep even then there within arms reach
THIS! My exceptions include gov facilities (I go to the Post Office daily, and the VA at least once a month)- but then it's only in my car. I carry every time I leave the house (and also while IN the house). [Beer]
DeusExMachina
07-23-2012, 11:38
I've never been so bold as to think carrying my gun to work, even concealed, would be a good idea. The most I ever do is leave it locked up in the car (parking garage patrolled by security and requires badge to enter). No sense losing my job and starting a legal battle over something that isn't a big issue to me anyway. It's hard enough to get into the building and past all the security that leads up to my floor that having to shoot someone up there is something I will never have to worry about.
Frankly, my enthusiasm for shooting doesn't extend to a need to have one with me every moment of every day. I just like to know that when I want one with me, I can do so legally without being hassled by "the man". I got the CCW three years ago and I've followed the CRS changes, especially regarding universities as I've been working on a Masters, and mostly wondered whether this was some new change I hadn't heard of before.
Glad to hear it's just bad reporting after following a link on the Drudge report. Most journalists wouldn't know a real "AR15" if it jumped up and bit them.
Why bother getting a CCW permit if it "isn't a big deal"?
Showering with your ccw is a great way to blast off the dust.
ChunkyMonkey
07-23-2012, 13:17
Showering with your ccw is a great way to blast off the dust.
Explains the rust on yours. [Coffee]
DeusExMachina
07-23-2012, 13:19
Explains the rust on yours. [Coffee]
Came here to post htis. [ROFL1]
To answer the OP succinctly:
Conceal Handgun Permits are governed by State Law, CRS Title 18, Article 12, which includes a provision which invalidates any law or ordinance by a county or municipality that would further restrict the carriage of concealed weapons beyond those restrictions already written into the state statute.
*** THIS DOCUMENT REFLECTS CHANGES CURRENT THROUGH ALL LAWS PASSED AT THE FIRST REGULAR SESSION OF THE 68TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF COLORADO ***
TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 2. PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS
C.R.S. 18-12-214 (2011)
18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions
(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.
(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.
(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:
(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;
(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;
(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.
(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:
(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;
(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and
(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.
(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.
(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.
The above specifies the ONLY restrictions on CCW that carry the weight of law. However, your employer(assuming it is a private company) can place any restrictions they wish on weapons on their property, even in your locked private vehicle, and can fire you for violating those policies. They can also ask you to leave the premises, and if you refuse, charge you with trespassing in the Third Degree.
ghettoblaster
07-23-2012, 19:19
However, your employer(assuming it is a private company) can place any restrictions they wish on weapons on their property, even in your locked private vehicle, and can fire you for violating those policies. They can also ask you to leave the premises, and if you refuse, charge you with trespassing in the Third Degree.
This would be the part of the law that makes my CCW a lot less exciting to me. Considering I spend more time at work and school than I do at home, the amount of time I'm able to legally carry adds up to around 10% of the time I spend awake during the day (if I'm lucky). At home I'm never more than five feet from my gun, but during a normal day it's extremely hard to carry without putting my job or education at risk. To summarize, I should probably find a new job and a university campus not run by liberal trolls.
To clarify, I never said getting a CCW wasn't "a big deal". It's just not as exciting since I rarely ever get an opportunity to use it. Weekends and evenings on the town with the wife are the only real opportunities for me to use it, especially since I spend over 80% of my time in places I can't carry. The remaining 20% or less I'm at home anyway, where I guarantee some bad guy will wish he were never born if he shows up unannounced. But whenever I can carry, I do.
This would be the part of the law that makes my CCW a lot less exciting to me. Considering I spend more time at work and school than I do at home, the amount of time I'm able to legally carry adds up to around 10% of the time I spend awake during the day (if I'm lucky). At home I'm never more than five feet from my gun, but during a normal day it's extremely hard to carry without putting my job or education at risk. To summarize, I should probably find a new job and a university campus not run by liberal trolls.
To clarify, I never said getting a CCW wasn't "a big deal". It's just not as exciting since I rarely ever get an opportunity to use it. Weekends and evenings on the town with the wife are the only real opportunities for me to use it, especially since I spend over 80% of my time in places I can't carry. The remaining 20% or less I'm at home anyway, where I guarantee some bad guy will wish he were never born if he shows up unannounced. But whenever I can carry, I do.
If you are attending a public university that receives ANY state funding, you are good to carry (with permit) as of May 1 of this year.
ghettoblaster
07-23-2012, 21:21
If you are attending a public university that receives ANY state funding, you are good to carry (with permit) as of May 1 of this year.
Thanks for the clarification! I humbly bow to your superior knowledge and appreciate your willingness to shed some light the subject
me = [Help]
Scanker19
07-23-2012, 23:21
THIS! My exceptions include gov facilities (I go to the Post Office daily, and the VA at least once a month)- but then it's only in my car. I carry every time I leave the house (and also while IN the house). [Beer]
I thought the post office "wasn't federal"
The Post Office is a whole 'nother topic, that has yet to be 100% clarified. At this juncture, better safe than a test case with a real good lawyer if caught.
Thank the gods that Hickenlooper stated that additional laws would not have stopped this individual. Changed my opinion of him. Hopefully that means that there will be no changes in the current state law on CC, particularly "No Weapons" signs do not carry the weight of law. I would like to see a stand your ground provision beyond case law, and at the least storing in private vehicles on employers property as other states have done.
Colorado has a pretty decent CC system in place. Could be better, could get a whole lot worse real easy.
Identifying places as "public", vs. "private" does get a bit difficult, especially when you start talking about theaters (not just movie) and convention centers/other places that events are held.
The key here is what was listed in 18-12-214~4. Any public building must comply 100% word for word in that. Any failure on their part means you get to carry past the screening.
Another good source of info is http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/Colorado/
Read up on all the CRS (Section 18), and be sure to follow the references listed in each CRS (if any).
spqrzilla
07-24-2012, 08:06
There is really no doubt about Post Offices, that's Federal law and its prohibition will be upheld by the courts.
There is really no doubt about Post Offices, that's Federal law and its prohibition will be upheld by the courts.
There are even signs, well there are at least at the one up here in Evergreen. I just STFU about it being in my car (it's only ONE stop in the many I'll make that day).
Hasn't this been discussed before?
Technically, even the USPS parking lot is off limits. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
hammer03
07-24-2012, 20:01
Some USPS offices are "contract locations" (found out recently, when they couldn't get me a money order...)
Anyone what the stance is on contractors?
Scanker19
07-25-2012, 01:13
I haven't seen a sign, I still don't cause well why chance it. There is one with a gun that says "you're going to prison if you rob this place" Isn't the PO not the GOV. People tend to say that when people complain about the GOV screwing up the PO. Anyone have a code?
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CCW is a state law (not to mention a RIGHT). There are a small number of places that are excluded. In general, nobody can outlaw CCW on a broad spectrum in Colorado. Thank god for this.
That isn't the way I read it...
Colorado Constitution
Art. II, Section 13 (2011)
Section 13. Right to bear arms
The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.
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Concealed carry is specifically excluded from being a Right.
Kinda sucks.
That was a moral/theoretical statement, not current law. My apologies if it comes across that way. The law may or may not account for all natural born rights that are due the citizens.
The shall-issue status of ccw in this and many states is a good first step to the .gov recognizing it as a right and not a privilege. May-issue states certainly have a 'privilege' situation.
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2012, 07:52
This would be the part of the law that makes my CCW a lot less exciting to me. Considering I spend more time at work and school than I do at home, the amount of time I'm able to legally carry adds up to around 10% of the time I spend awake during the day (if I'm lucky). At home I'm never more than five feet from my gun, but during a normal day it's extremely hard to carry without putting my job or education at risk. To summarize, I should probably find a new job and a university campus not run by liberal trolls.
To clarify, I never said getting a CCW wasn't "a big deal". It's just not as exciting since I rarely ever get an opportunity to use it. Weekends and evenings on the town with the wife are the only real opportunities for me to use it, especially since I spend over 80% of my time in places I can't carry. The remaining 20% or less I'm at home anyway, where I guarantee some bad guy will wish he were never born if he shows up unannounced. But whenever I can carry, I do.
You do carry a knife when at these places?
That was a moral/theoretical statement, not current law. My apologies if it comes across that way. The law may or may not account for all natural born rights that are due the citizens.
The shall-issue status of ccw in this and many states is a good first step to the .gov recognizing it as a right and not a privilege. May-issue states certainly have a 'privilege' situation.
That's cool.
I was shocked when I saw that was in the Colorado Constitution.
KevDen2005
07-25-2012, 20:00
If you are attending a public university that receives ANY state funding, you are good to carry (with permit) as of May 1 of this year.
TFogger, would you mind sending me the that info via PM, I haven't gotten it yet.
Thanks
ghettoblaster
07-25-2012, 21:42
You do carry a knife when at these places?
Discretely but yes, always. Not quite as reassuring as a gun but not quite as helpless as me yelling for help against armed thugs.
TFogger, would you mind sending me the that info via PM, I haven't gotten it yet.
Thanks
PM Sent. [Beer]
Supreme court decision:
http://www.courts.state.co.us/Courts/Supreme_Court/opinions/2010/10SC344.pdf
Decision was rendered on 5 March 2012, but the court delayed implementation to allow for possible appeals. None were filed.
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_20104581
Yeah they finally got the colleges un-f*cked right after I graduate! Awesome.
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