yep...obama wants our guns

[sniper7]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/obama-gun-control_n_1704246.html?ref=topbar


"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

There it is.

basically what I see is AWB, mag capacity restrictions and private party sales restrictions.


Keep thinking you want to vote for 3rd party...that way your kids won't get to enjoy what we have.

And it isn't just with the POTUS. It starts here at the local level, the state, then the house and senate, and probably most importantly SCOTUS.

[jackthewall81]

I just want to keep as many freedoms as possible. Get the government out of my damn life.

[HoneyBadger]

I just want to keep as many freedoms as possible. Get the government out of my damn life.

Yes.

[ANADRILL]

F this MF...it's not about hunting, and it sure the f$## isn't a tradition. Its a right....

[Rucker61]

"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

Just curious - what part of this are you against?

[dwalker460]

What a shocker...

[Scanker19]

I'm not holding my Breath that Romney Will not enact an AWB either. I see a lot of compromising going on in the near future about what tools us peasants can have.

[sniper7]

I'm not holding my Breath that Romney Will not enact an AWB either. I see a lot of compromising going on in the near future about what tools us peasants can have.

see my other post on his comments.

not saying it is an end all...but there is a distinct difference in their reactions and comments.

Romney has said he doesn't see 100% with the NRA, but honestly I don't either. Just look at home many guys complain about RMGO even though they are the guard dog and probably have the hardest stance of all the gun organizations. I actually saw Dudley on Fox today.

[battle_sight_zero]

"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

Just curious - what part of this are you against?



Just in case you did not notice your a member of Colorado AR15. I joined this forum because I like to OWN and shoot military STYLE rifles. He does not belive I should have that right! I guess will change the forum to Coloradodaisybbgunshooters.com. I served my country and I serve my community everyday who is he or any person for that matter to decide what freedoms I enjoy? The guy never has gone hunting or shooting once. He can't sit there and say the things he does without bias. He and his family will be protected the rest of his life by others. While each of us is responsible for our own security of our familys. Last I looked my semi auto military style sporting rifles were semi auto and not suitable for military service. All for criminals not having firearms, but enforce the laws on the books first.

[sniper7]

Just in case you did not notice your a member of Colorado AR15. I joined this forum becaise I like to OWN and shoot military rifles. He does not belive I should have that right! I guess will change the forum to Coloradodaisybbgunshooters.com.

I wouldn't have known what the troll said if you didn't quote him. He lives in my ignore list. The liberal just doesn't get it....thread after thread is stupid BS like this. the whole..."shall not be infringed" thing doesn't mean a damn to him. I love the ignore feature.

[TEAMRICO]

I wouldn't have known what the troll said if you didn't quote him. He lives in my ignore list. The liberal just doesn't get it....thread after thread is stupid BS like this. the whole..."shall not be infringed" thing doesn't mean a damn to him. I love the ignore feature.

This^

Don't feed the trolls.
Don't fall prey to his BS.
Starve him by ignoring him.

[battle_sight_zero]

I will figure out the ignore feature too. Might help me go to sleep better. Why freaking join an AR sight like this if you agree with the nonsense coming from politicians? Being a troll on this site is lame. Most of is are here because of our belief in the 2nd. Good night!

[ANADRILL]

F this MF...it's not about hunting, and it sure the f$## isn't a tradition. Its a right....

Had to say it again...

[Rucker61]

Just in case you did not notice you're a member of Colorado AR15. I joined this forum because I like to OWN and shoot military STYLE rifles. He does not belive I should have that right! I guess will change the forum to Coloradodaisybbgunshooters.com. I served my country and I serve my community everyday who is he or any person for that matter to decide what freedoms I enjoy? The guy never has gone hunting or shooting once. He can't sit there and say the things he does without bias. He and his family will be protected the rest of his life by others. While each of us is responsible for our own security of our familys. Last I looked my semi auto military style sporting rifles were semi auto and not suitable for military service. All for criminals not having firearms, but enforce the laws on the books first.

The quote never says that you can't own them, does it? Logic doesn't seem to be a strong suit here. If your semi-auto weapons don't fit into the category listed, why are you putting them in there?

[TAR31]

The quote never says that you can't own them, does it? Logic doesn't seem to be a strong suit here. If your semi-auto weapons don't fit into the category listed, why are you putting them in there?

Ignorance is bliss.

[ChunkyMonkey]

"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

Just curious - what part of this are you against?

Just curious, what's part of any of this would have prevented the Century 16 shooting? The psycho was not a criminal, he does not use AK47. As an AK47 owner, he is targeting me now.

[Dr_Fwd]

Stop feeding the troll.

[Bailey Guns]

Stop feeding the troll.

If we stop feeding him will he starve and go away?

[Bailey Guns]

The quote never says that you can't own them, does it? Logic doesn't seem to be a strong suit here. If your semi-auto weapons don't fit into the category listed, why are you putting them in there?

Hey, Rucker...DailyKos just called. They want their liberal back. Run along now.

[BPTactical]

And this comes as a surprise how?
Had people done any homework on this guy in '07 they would have found out he is one of the most anti 2A candidates this country had ever seen.
In every instance in his political career he has voted against an individuals rights when it comes to firearms.
At his acceptance speech here in Denver he clearly stated that he would see that military type weapons would be forever off of the streets of the United States.
He selected an Attorney General who adamantly feels only law enforcement and the military should be allowed to possess firearms in any form.
He told Sarah Brady he was working "under the radar" on firearms issues.
If he gets a second term he will go after 2A in a way it has never been been seen.
If he gets booted in November then the "Lame Duck" session will be used by a pissed off defeated pres to use any means he can to screw us.

Things will change, most assuredly.

This election is one of the most critical elections in the history of this country. He must be defeated and we must gain both the house and senate.

[Whistler]

"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

Just curious - what part of this are you against?

What don't I agree with? I don't agree that Obama speaks for the majority of gun owners and I don't agree that "most" gun owners would agree an AK-47 to be any more deadly or dangerous than any other firearm and that they can't be enjoyed safely and responsibly which is our right.

I don't agree banning anything keeps it from the hands of criminals and that we already do quite a good job preventing criminals from legally purchasing guns. No amount of checks would identify someone w/o a record or not in the "system" and further restrictions will only impact legal owners who have committed no crime. I do not agree with a system that restricts my rights based on what I or someone else MIGHT do to misuse an otherwise perfectly safe tool. No system can be 100% effective (including a total ban, check history) and it is unrealistic to believe sweeping changes to our gun laws would have any impact on the minuscule percentage of legal gun owners committing crimes.

And I don't agree my tranquility should be disturbed by clueless individuals advocating ineffective controls on a gun forum. You don't get it: my 2A right exists to protect my inalienable or "natural" rights and any restriction compromises my natural right to defend myself, my family or my property. More than 70 million gun owners safely own and use military-style weapons daily but one guy goes off the deep end and we have to ban ALL military style weapons? An AK wasn't even involved, go away already. [Rant1]

[45XD]

"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller."

Just curious - what part of this are you against?

I'm thinking I'm against your handle for starters... Are you the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish?
Just wondering.
At any rate, I love AKs but I'm not sure that I see them in the hands of our soldiers.
Just saying.
I'll take 2 by the way. And yes, it's a right (I know you've undoubtedly read that already, but it seems like it needs repeating because I'm not sure you get it).

[DD977GM2]

FBO
I do not agreee with him. I think every AK or AR have a legitimate use in our
wonderful sporting world of target practice, 3gun and marksmenship worlds.

[DD977GM2]

How can that tool speak for any gun owner? WHen he first started campaigning,he honestly thought that every state had a gun registration
and we all had to wait 10 days for the background check to go through etc. [Rant1][Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1][Bang] FBO

[BPTactical]

obama voting record 2nd ammendment
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.



Any questions?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

That's scary shit bp. And hey Rucker I'm beginning to believe this might not be the right site for you.

[alxone]

Any questions?
how does a thermos know how to keep hot stuff hot and cold stuff cold ??[ROFL1]

[BPTactical]

how does a thermos know how to keep hot stuff hot and cold stuff cold ??[ROFL1]
Duh, the Budweiser Frogs train them.........[Tooth]

[tmckay2]

I like the dichotomy there. It's either in soldiers hands or criminals hands. The lemmings probably don't even see what he's doing there.

[HoneyBadger]

Any questions?

You're Amazing. [Beer]



I like the dichotomy there. It's either in soldiers hands or criminals hands. The lemmings probably don't even see what he's doing there.

Not trying to be a dick, just adding a little info for those who don't know:
Technically the logical fallacy here is called a "false dichotomy" indicating that the speaker (in this case, the President) is misleading his audience to believe that there are only two possible outcomes when in fact there are many possible outcomes.

Generally people who commit such atrocious logical fallacies are completely ignored by most intelligent people, but in our case, there are plenty of voters who don't know the difference and will continue to vote for an idiot.

[Mazin]

Yep Oblome is the king of double talk, you don't agree then you must want childeren to have ak47's right? What a douche like anyone is going to say no to that meanwhile he infringes on our rights to own a firearm that he considers only for "Military use". The reason we can own that same equipment is because we have the right to stand toe to toe with the military incase of a Coup D`eTat.

MR. PRESIDENT PLEASE READ OUR CONSTUTION, STUDY AND UNDERSTAND THE FOUNDING OF THE UNITED STATES PLEASE!

[TS12000]

To be quite blunt, I'm glad he's saying this out front of the election. We all knew what this guy is all about the first time around but all this shit has to add up eventually. The middle has to be won this time and I think he's doing a damn good job of digging his own hole with these shenanigans.