I propose Peace

[Mtn.man]

OK so instead of a bunch of new laws and controls, that just make people go crazy:

we need a state or states where only tree hugging, free love hippies, government supported, anti gun, liberals, and peta folks, can live in peace and harmony and need papers to leave to explore the rest of the country. Occupied by gun toting, bible grasping, meat eating, hunting, fishing, BBQing, self reliant types.

where ya think the gangs and bad guys will hang?

[jackthewall81]

Sounds like Cali.

[kanekutter05]

Or Boulder

[zteknik]

New York

[jackthewall81]

Or Boulder

Nope, I am here.

[Ronin13]

Sounds like Cali.

This! Let's just make California the "Liberal Utopian state" and let them have their cake and eat it too! Hell, the measures are already in place- guns are hard to acquire, you can't really carry them, and the legislature doesn't even like them! [Beer]

[Zundfolge]

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I think the time has come for America to break up. We are no longer a single, cohesive nation.

My modest proposal:
(we can change the name of the NROT if nobody likes it).

http://www.macvanpublishing.com/mike/PostObamaAmerica_sm.jpg

[Wiggity]

^^^^


looks good to me. When do we start?

[flan7211]

I'd prefer to call it the rocky mountain republic or republic of the west. I think California will be it's own nation in 50 years.

[Zundfolge]

I'd prefer to call it the rocky mountain republic or republic of the west. I think California will be it's own nation in 50 years.
I like Rocky Mountain Republic ... RMR has a nicer ring than NROT.

[flan7211]

I like Rocky Mountain Republic ... RMR has a nicer ring than NROT.

Dude let's design a flag lol! We need access to the pacific somehow.

[Zundfolge]

Dude let's design a flag lol!

Colorado Gadsden Society (http://www.gadsdensoc.com/) already did.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__eh852Ssmq4/SZuPHeJMeJI/AAAAAAAABwY/U9D90087VpA/s400/rockymountaingadsden.png


We need access to the pacific somehow.Maybe we could get the western Canadian provinces to join us ... in which case we should just get Alaska to stick with us too. Or we could just take the Baja ... seriously, what is Mexico gonna do?

[Singlestack]

This thread is SO bizarre - because me and my friend were discussing exactly the same thing this past weekend. My thought was the division might come after a 2nd civil war, or some other cataclysmic event - including an economic collapse. My concern was exactly the map someone posted - that the conservative center of the country would be the middle of an "oreo cookie" and would be surrounded by left coast libtards, right coast libtards, canada, and mejico. To prevent that, we would unfortunately have to take over the left coast and fix it.

Those who chose to love in the consitutional US would have to swear an oath of allegiance to the new country and constitution. If they did not, well, time to move to libtard land ably assisted by the citizens.

Maybe I'll give a try being a fiction writer (similar to Rawles) based on this potential future? :-)

Singlestack

[flan7211]

Colorado Gadsden Society (http://www.gadsdensoc.com/) already did.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__eh852Ssmq4/SZuPHeJMeJI/AAAAAAAABwY/U9D90087VpA/s400/rockymountaingadsden.png

Maybe we could get the western Canadian provinces to join us ... in which case we should just get Alaska to stick with us too. Or we could just take the Baja ... seriously, what is Mexico gonna do?

Exactly. I know BC has plenty of gun toting conservatives ready to join us.

[flan7211]

This thread is SO bizarre - because me and my friend were discussing exactly the same thing this past weekend. My thought was the division might come after a 2nd civil war, or some other cataclysmic event - including an economic collapse. My concern was exactly the map someone posted - that the conservative center of the country would be the middle of an "oreo cookie" and would be surrounded by left coast libtards, right coast libtards, canada, and mejico. To prevent that, we would unfortunately have to take over the left coast and fix it.

Those who chose to love in the consitutional US would have to swear an oath of allegiance to the new country and constitution. If they did not, well, time to move to libtard land ably assisted by the citizens.

Maybe I'll give a try being a fiction writer (similar to Rawles) based on this potential future? :-)

Singlestack


Essentially what you are saying already happened. After the Revolution, Tories were ordered to submit or be exiled. That's why they all fled to Canada.

[Byte Stryke]

I am so moving back to CO when this goes down

[Whistler]

Best thread in a while, made my day. [LOL]

[Teufelhund]

Don't want to be landlocked in the middle of a socialist nation. We'd definitely have to take the left coast.

[Ronin13]

I say let them keep California (under the rule that they rename it to the Democratic Republic of Commiefornia [Coffee]), but we get Washington and Oregon- that way we have a coast and access to Western Canada.

But are you saying that I have to have a passport to go to the south? Sounds fair to me (sorry Byte), that's like goin' to 'nother cuntry nowadays anywho. So when do we start... I for one would like to nominate either Ted Nugent, Chuck Norris or Allen West as our Commander In Chief. [Beer]

[Mazin]

So how we looking on border security [Coffee] I like the southern DMZ BTW.


Also I would like Alaska to be part of NROT, they have some resources I feel we would want to have.

[flan7211]

So how we looking on border security [Coffee] I like the southern DMZ BTW.


Also I would like Alaska to be part of NROT, they have some resources I feel we would want to have.

Every male is required to keep a military rifle with 2500 rounds and is part of a local guard unit. Each guard unit does 2 weeks on our borders a year. I knew that Political Science degree would come in handy.

[Ronin13]

Every male is required to keep a military rifle with 2500 rounds and is part of a local guard unit. Each guard unit does 2 weeks on our borders a year. I knew that Political Science degree would come in handy.

OH MY GOD! Did you come up with this by yourself? You are a genius! I love this idea... and can I add: Every male is required to keep and maintain their rifle, women are not required but it is highly encouraged to do so as well. [Beer]

[Mtn.man]

Yes we need OR and WA I got bros there and they are AR building toting peeps.
One lives in Port Townsend on the ocean we could have our own fleet.

[Zundfolge]

I say we take WA and leave OR with CA (until they both collapse and become Somalia-like style failed states, then we annex them ... but as territories, not states ... they pay taxes but don't get a vote).

WA can come with BC, then we get one of the most important ports in the Pacific; Vancouver.

[flan7211]

I say we take WA and leave OR with CA (until they both collapse and become Somalia-like style failed states, then we annex them ... but as territories, not states ... they pay taxes but don't get a vote).

WA can come with BC, then we get one of the most important ports in the Pacific; Vancouver.

That just made my nipplies hard [ROFL1] in the straightest way possible. Our first war would probably be with California or Mexico, or both since they'll be the same entity soon enough.

[Teufelhund]

That just made my nipplies hard [ROFL1] in the straightest way possible. Our first war would probably be with California or Mexico, or both since they'll be the same entity soon enough.

[ROFL1] @ war with California. That would be over pretty quickly; they aren't even allowed to carry a gun with ammo in it.

[Fmedges]

Can we please have a /military/vets only county. pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssseeeeeee

[Skully]

Don't want to be landlocked in the middle of a socialist nation. We'd definitely have to take the left coast.


As everyone stated before me Washington state definately family there, good people there. We there also need more ocean access.

[Zundfolge]

Can we please have a /military/vets only county. pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssseeeeeee
I think that's a bad idea ... I know vets that are farther to the left than Obama himself and while I never served I bet most of y'all here would much rather have me writing the new Constitution instead of some "don't ask don't tell" reject from the USAF (yes, I'm thinking of someone specific).

[ChadAmberg]

Can we please have a /military/vets only county. pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssseeeeeee

Nah, not really needed, just require military service in order to vote, the way Heinlein described.

[Wiggity]

I like the way Israel does it. Mandatory 2 years of service for all healthy men and women.



Such a badass little country

[HoneyBadger]

Count me in. I like the idea of every male between 20 and 40 serving as border patrol for 2 weeks out of the year and maintaining their own weapons and ammo.

[spittoon]

^^^^


looks good to me. When do we start? X2[Beer]

[BushMasterBoy]

New States of America? Maybe if a giant asteroid hits one of our oceans and wipes out a whole coastline...and yes it has happened before!

[Sharpienads]

I could definitely live with the RMR. Every state I would want to either live in or visit is already there. But having WA and AK would be a good idea. Count me in!

[jerrymrc]

Yes we need OR and WA I got bros there and they are AR building toting peeps.
One lives in Port Townsend on the ocean we could have our own fleet.

I agree. Just like here once you get out of the major metro area (Portland) OR is a whole different animal.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

I say try an experiment. Take one state, the more crimes the better. Give every one a gun of thier choice, reguardless of age, background, etc. Legal to carry open or conceald, for one year and see what happens!! [Coffee]

[Mazin]

My hats off to you gent's!





Now where do I sign?

[jackthewall81]

What kind of republic would that look like? Mandatory this, mandatory that, how about having a truly free nation? Maybe I am just to Liberterian for this topic.. But most of the things you guys are describing sound more like a facist state.

(besides having everyone own a firearm, that sounds awesome.)

[10mm-man]

Can we please have a /military/vets only county. pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssseeeeeee

We don't ask we take!! Simply put.....

[roberth]

I like this plan as long as Peace means peace through superior firepower.

We'll need to run all the illegals and liberals out of CA, OR and WA. We need CA, OR and WA for the naval bases / shipping ports and so we can send the Navy out to kick Red China's ass in 20 years.

We'll have the Gulf ports to get HKs and other currently restricted firearms from the nations to the east of us.

We'll have to redirect all shipping to the Gulf from the East Coast so we get first pick of stuff and they get the leftovers. I don't want a bunch of idiotic New York and Wash DC liberal scum getting things before we get them.

[flan7211]

What kind of republic would that look like? Mandatory this, mandatory that, how about having a truly free nation? Maybe I am just to Liberterian for this topic.. But most of the things you guys are describing sound more like a facist state.

(besides having everyone own a firearm, that sounds awesome.)


This is where were gonna run into probs. Libertarians, Constitutionalists, and pragmatic conservatives are going to butt heads. Here's what we do. Pick a state or two along your lines of belief, move there and from the state level down do as you please. We are facing a quasi-fascist/socialist state if we did this so we must move as swift as our founding fathers. Each colony had a policy of mandatory militia service. If you want freedom fight for it.

[theGinsue]

No, I don't see this thread getting taken out of context by the media, gov't or anti's; why do you ask?



Maybe I'll give a try being a fiction writer (similar to Rawles) based on this potential future? :-)

Singlestack
Check out the Emberverse series by S.M. Stirling. Starts with a book titled Dies The Fire. Alternate history (alternate future actually but set in "current times"). Great series of books about an Event that occurs, society collapses, survival issues (great preparedness ideas in there too). Plenty of fighting/battle action but without firearms due to the nature of the "Event". Set in/around Portland, OR.

Absolutely love these books.

[HoneyBadger]

The beauty of a the Rocky Mountain Republic is there would be very little federal government, and each state could design a local government that works best for them. If you want more libertarianism, then move to the state with more libertarianism. If you want more traditional Christian conservative, then move to that state, etc. I have wanted something like this my whole life...

[Teufelhund]

The beauty of a the Rocky Mountain Republic is there would be very little federal government, and each state could design a local government that works best for them. If you want more libertarianism, then move to the state with more libertarianism. If you want more traditional Christian conservative, then move to that state, etc. I have wanted something like this my whole life...

Isn't this the way our present nation was originally designed? We have forgotten the term "United States" is plural. . .

[Whistler]

Isn't this the way our present nation was originally designed? We have forgotten the term "United States" is plural. . .

That was the plan until the worst fears of centralized government/banking our Founders tried so hard to prevent came to pass. Daily more authority is usurped from The People and The States to be consolidated and abused in the heart of corruption to the detriment of our Freedoms and the decay of our Nation.

[buffalobo]

Colorado Gadsden Society (http://www.gadsdensoc.com/) already did.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__eh852Ssmq4/SZuPHeJMeJI/AAAAAAAABwY/U9D90087VpA/s400/rockymountaingadsden.png

Maybe we could get the western Canadian provinces to join us ... in which case we should just get Alaska to stick with us too. Or we could just take the Baja ... seriously, what is Mexico gonna do?

Awesome flag, good on the Gadsden Society.[Beer]

[buffalobo]

^^^^


looks good to me. When do we start?


The sooner the better, but I need somebody to pick me up on the way. Truck broke down this morning and wife says she needs her car today.[Rant1]

[HoneyBadger]

Isn't this the way our present nation was originally designed? We have forgotten the term "United States" is plural. . .

Exactly. [Beer]

[jackthewall81]

The beauty of a the Rocky Mountain Republic is there would be very little federal government, and each state could design a local government that works best for them. If you want more libertarianism, then move to the state with more libertarianism. If you want more traditional Christian conservative, then move to that state, etc. I have wanted something like this my whole life...

Sounds good to me.

[flan7211]

We just letting this one die? Best thread in years.

[68Charger]

No, I don't see this thread getting taken out of context by the media, gov't or anti's; why do you ask?


They have their idea of utopia (you know, the one where criminals say "I'd really like to kill some people today, but I couldn't possibly violate that darn gun ban"),
why can't we have ours?

[roberth]

Isn't this the way our present nation was originally designed? We have forgotten the term "United States" is plural. . .

Yes it was, we are called These United States, not The United States.

These United States agreed to come together under the rules set forth in the constitution and the bill of rights including a very limited set of roles to be filled by the federal government.

The United States has FAR exceeded it's bounds and in doing so has eliminated freedom of choice in many areas for all citizens.

Each state is bound to the constitution and the bill of rights. Each state can also enact its own legislation not unlike an experiment to see how well the legislation works as long as that legislation does not violate the constitution or the bill of rights. This idea of experiments coincides with both freedom of choice in where we want to live and freedom of movement, if we don't like one states ruleset, we can move to a different state.

The federal government through it's all encompassing power has eliminated much of this freedom of choice, movement and the opportunity for states to experiment with differing legislation.

For example - I don't have an issue with the people residing in Massachusetts wanting to try universal healthcare for themselves. I think it will be an interesting experiment to see how it works in Massachusetts and Massachusetts alone (being a sovereign person I hope their experiment fails miserably). I have a choice and my choice is to not subject myself to government single payor healthcare so I live in Colorado, if I wanted single payor I'd move to Massachusetts.

I have an ENORMOUS problem with the federal government dictating to all the other states what their healthcare policies will be. The feds have eliminated my choice to live in Colorado away from single payor healthcare.

[HoneyBadger]

Yes it was, we are called These United States, not The United States.

These United States agreed to come together under the rules set forth in the constitution and the bill of rights including a very limited set of roles to be filled by the federal government.

The United States has FAR exceeded it's bounds and in doing so has eliminated freedom of choice in many areas for all citizens.

Each state is bound to the constitution and the bill of rights. Each state can also enact its own legislation not unlike an experiment to see how well the legislation works as long as that legislation does not violate the constitution or the bill of rights. This idea of experiments coincides with both freedom of choice in where we want to live and freedom of movement, if we don't like one states ruleset, we can move to a different state.

The federal government through it's all encompassing power has eliminated much of this freedom of choice, movement and the opportunity for states to experiment with differing legislation.

For example - I don't have an issue with the people residing in Massachusetts wanting to try universal healthcare for themselves. I think it will be an interesting experiment to see how it works in Massachusetts and Massachusetts alone (being a sovereign person I hope their experiment fails miserably). I have a choice and my choice is to not subject myself to government single payor healthcare so I live in Colorado, if I wanted single payor I'd move to Massachusetts.

I have an ENORMOUS problem with the federal government dictating to all the other states what their healthcare policies will be. The feds have eliminated my choice to live in Colorado away from single payor healthcare.

http://www.gifflix.com/files/eb1dbf05654e.gif

[Ronin13]

This all does remind me of what a buddy of mine said one of his teachers at West Point was ranting about one day during one of his lectures. He said something to the effect of Washington D.C. is a horrible location for a national capital, and that Denver would be a more suitable capital from a strategic point of view. I agree, and our new United States capital should be based here or CO Springs as the strategic and logistical POV is great. Perhaps once reorganized Cheyenne Mtn could become our new country's military hub as it is more protected than the current (Pentagon).

The only question I have is how would this hypothetical succession work? Would it be by an armed coup? Is it possible to achieve peacefully? How do you deal with all the lefties living in the mountain states that love it here and would refuse to leave? So many questions as to how to get it off the ground, but I would say the sooner the better! [Beer]

[flan7211]

This all does remind me of what a buddy of mine said one of his teachers at West Point was ranting about one day during one of his lectures. He said something to the effect of Washington D.C. is a horrible location for a national capital, and that Denver would be a more suitable capital from a strategic point of view. I agree, and our new United States capital should be based here or CO Springs as the strategic and logistical POV is great. Perhaps once reorganized Cheyenne Mtn could become our new country's military hub as it is more protected than the current (Pentagon).

The only question I have is how would this hypothetical succession work? Would it be by an armed coup? Is it possible to achieve peacefully? How do you deal with all the lefties living in the mountain states that love it here and would refuse to leave? So many questions as to how to get it off the ground, but I would say the sooner the better! [Beer]

This shouldn't be a pursued goal but a ready plan. I love my country. But if my country didn't have the strength to survive I would join in union with my like minded brothers to fight tyranny and foreign aggression. Long live our liberty and long live these sovereign United States!