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ChunkyMonkey
08-01-2012, 15:20
http://www.guns.com/texas-gun-owner-shoot-out-10236.html
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Gun Owner Saves Cop's Life by Shooting Deranged Gunman! (VIDEO)
It’s not every day that you hear the police give a civilian a warm “thank you” for entering a lethal shootout, but that’s exactly what happened in Early, Texas on Sunday. But before we get into the heroic civilian shooter, let’s back up a bit.
See a Man About a Dog
It all began, innocently enough, “as a squabble over dogs.” David Michael House, 58, and Iris Valentina Calaci, 53, were both residents at the Peach House RV Park in central Texas. They were also dog owners, and their pooches allegedly had a nasty habit of relieving themselves on the lawn of neighbor Charles Ronald Conner, 58.
According to eyewitnesses, Conner approached House about his dog, and an argument broke out. Rather than dealing with the confrontation like a normal human being, Conner allegedly went back to his RV, got his gun, returned to House, and lethally shot him.
The gun shots prompted Calaci to run screaming from her trailer home, but she didn’t get far. Conner chased her down, shot her once and then fired another shot into her, execution style.
Amazingly, Conner’s shooting spree didn’t end there. He also shot and killed the two dogs that, in his confused mind, started the mess.
Fatally shooting your neighbors over an issue of dog doo might seem absurdly over-the-top to normal people like you and us, but it might have appeared perfectly sensible to Conner. Conner’s family explained that he had “mental problems.” Police later found a notebook in Conner’s trailer with nearly incomprehensible “ramblings.”
Conner might’ve been able to get a lenient sentence in court due to his troubled mental state, but that day will never come – there was to be one more shooting on that tragic day, this time in the name of defense.
Shots Fired
Sgt. Steven Means of the Early Police Department came rolling onto the scene, but he had barely gotten out of his car before Conner began opening fire on the officer. Means took cover behind his police car and returned fire with an AR-15, but Conner maintained cover behind a tree. Eyewitnesses report that this positioning gave Conner the upper hand over the out-gunned police officer.
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Good shooting! [Beer]
Chad4000
08-01-2012, 15:25
165 yards with a pistol???? holy crap...
kanekutter05
08-01-2012, 15:27
That is a hell of a shot with a pistol. I wonder what pistol it was...I might have to pick one up myself.
HBARleatherneck
08-01-2012, 15:30
delete
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-01-2012, 15:32
Couldn't have been a 9mm, had to be .40 or better... Sorry had too... [ROFL1]
Man that was really good shooting all 4 shots hit the bad guy!
Zundfolge
08-01-2012, 15:37
I'm gonna bet it was a .357mag revolver (based on this paragraph: Stacy raised his gun, fired, and landed one hell of a shot – by his estimate “a good 165 yards” – with a pistol (we do not know the make or caliber at this time). Stacy wasn’t even sure if he could make the shot at that distance: “I hope this magnum bullet’ll hold up, you know, this distance. And sure enough it did and I hit him in the thigh.”).
I do find the story confusing though, did the badguy have an AR15 or did the cop? (haven't watched the vids yet, maybe that'll clear it up)
EDIT Based on watching the video from the gentleman that shot the BG, it sounds like the BG either had a bolt action rifle or maybe a shotgun since he said he watched the guy load rounds into the gun and the BG only fired 2-3 shots based on the Sheriff's vid.
josh7328
08-01-2012, 15:37
WOW! and 7 yards is far enough for practice my a$$
jerrymrc
08-01-2012, 15:42
Multiple hits with a pistol at 165 yards! The only thing I have that I have ever taken past 50 yards is my CZ52.
I do know some of them long range pistol guys are great as I have watched them down at Raton and they all have long revolvers.
Good for him.[Beer]
Zundfolge
08-01-2012, 15:53
Multiple hits with a pistol at 165 yards! The only thing I have that I have ever taken past 50 yards is my CZ52.
Whenever my father passes away I stand to inherit a S&W 686 with an 8-3/8" barrel. I'm confident that I could hit 100yd targets pretty consistently at the range ... now under life and death pressure and with return fire, I don't think I'd have the same hit/miss ratio this guy had.
Now maybe with a scoped .44 or other big bore revolver and a rest ... and a calm day at the range with nobody shooting at me and I could probably keep all the shots in the black at 165yd. But I certainly wouldn't want to bet my life on it.
One Shot
08-01-2012, 15:57
I'm guessin either a .357 or .44 mag. Damn good shot though. I wonder what gun the bad guy was carrying?
Singlestack
08-01-2012, 16:05
From Defensivecarry.com, it sounds like the distance was 165 feet, not yards. Still, 4 or 5 hits at 55 yards is very, very good. Not sure if he was using a 357 revolver, or perhaps a 357 lever action? Those would be very hittable at ~ 50 yards.
Singlestack
sellersm
08-01-2012, 16:13
Whatever the distance, kudos to him for keeping a cool hand and a steady hand! Now that's a sheepdog!
SideShow Bob
08-01-2012, 16:18
“I hope this magnum bullet’ll hold up, you know, this distance. And sure enough it did and I hit him in the thigh.”
As said before, .357 Mag. or .44 Mag. Still, if were the 165 feet as stated before, that is some pretty good shooting with a handgun for an "Old Fart". [Beer]
Rucker61
08-01-2012, 16:37
I believe I saw a comment below the article that led me to believe that the pistol wielder was a 25 year firearms instructor.
Impossible. Police are specially trained. civilians with guns are just yokels looking to be cowboys.
Elmer Keith used to routinely shot at long distances with no more than target sights on a 44 mag, earlier a 44 special, with about a 5" barrel. Elmer demonstrated shooting rocks, coyotes, deer, birds and even an eagle (when it was legal) at long distances.
SouthPaw
08-01-2012, 17:03
It was Atrain with his Taurus 1911
myself and others at my place hit targets with a pistol out at 100 yards its doable hell rockymtnriflemans dad was hitting whiskey bottles at over 100 yards one handed with a 357 snub
not to take anything away from the guy in the story....who is a beast.... whats the stats on police shootings 33% hits at under 20 feet or something like that
ronaldrwl
08-01-2012, 17:29
It makes you wonder, what you would do in a similar situation. The right thing to do may get you into a lot of trouble. Helping the police is usually a bad idea, I'm thinking. But good for him. I hope it works out good for the civi.
lpgasman
08-01-2012, 17:33
So now that this happened, is the gubment stopping all proposed bans?
So now that this happened, is the gubment stopping all proposed bans?
no because its going to get absolutely no airtime
lpgasman
08-01-2012, 17:50
no because its going to get absolutely no airtime
Your right, fricken re-Dick-u-less.
Zundfolge
08-01-2012, 17:57
It makes you wonder, what you would do in a similar situation.
I'd have grabbed a rifle instead of a handgun [Beer]
So now that this happened, is the gubment stopping all proposed bans?
Nope, it goes to show that you dont need more than 10 rounds. At least thats how they will spin it.
Hitman 6
08-01-2012, 18:38
Thanks for that. I definitely spread that wealth around.
Rucker61
08-01-2012, 18:59
Nope, it goes to show that you dont need more than 10 rounds. At least thats how they will spin it.
And it looks like the bad guy had an AR-15. I don't see this as a particular auspicious incident for 2A.
cmailliard
08-01-2012, 20:01
First Article I saw stated it was a .357
This was taken from Lightfighter.net
Authorities Release Information Regarding Deadly Peach House RV Park Shooting - Video
Monday, 30 July 2012 12:19
Brown County Sheriff’s Department and Early Police Department held a joint press conference Monday to formally discuss Sunday’s Peach House RV Park shooting which left three people and two dogs dead.
According to Sheriff Bobby Grubbs, the gunman was shot by an armed citizen and responding Early Police Sgt. Steven Means who was being fired upon by the gunman Charles Conner of Early. Grubbs stated that the gunman and the victims had a verbal confrontation about the dogs, and that Conner shot the male victim, then the dogs, and turned the gun on the male victim’s common law wife with a .9mm handgun.
Other residents of the RV park were in their homes as the incident occurred, stated Grubbs. Two adult male residents were reported to have heard the gunshots and saw the victims’ bodies, one of the male residents was the initial reporting party.
Conner was reported to have gone into his RV which was approximately 75-100 yards away and retrieved a 30-30 rifle which he used to shoot at the responding officer and another resident, according to Grubbs. He was also armed with two pistols during this time, said Grubbs.
Another armed resident heard the shots and retrieved his .357 Magnum handgun, and was able to shoot Conner in the leg, and was then fired upon by Conner as Officer Means pulled into the park, according to law enforcement officials. Means saw that Conner was armed and was fired upon as he got out of his vehicle, Grubbs said. Means was able to take cover behind his vehicle and returned fire with his assault rifle which ultimately ended the situation according to Grubbs. As Means and the armed resident returned fire, Conner collapsed dead.
According to Grubbs, the victims were living together at the RV park temporarily, working for the owner of the park in his peach orchard. They are noted to be a white 58-year-old male and a white 53-year-old female. They had lived in the park approximately two months with their two dogs, a small poodle mix and a medium sized border collie mix. Both are residents are from out of state. Their identities are expected to be released as soon as their next of kin are notified according to Grubbs.
Grubbs explained that Conner is a 58-year-old white male who has resided at the park for approximately 10 months and it is believed that he has no previous criminal history.
The resident who assisted police is described as a temporary resident of the park and is also a white male, 66 years of age. His identity is being withheld.
Sheriff Grubbs commended the assisting resident for his actions. Law enforcement has determined that the resident acted valiantly and perhaps saved the lives of Sgt. Means and responding deputies, Grubbs said.
“His actions may have also saved the lives of other citizens who could have innocently walked into the situation. Under fire, the resident shooter returned fire at precisely the right moment. One of the rounds struck Conner in the thigh and staggered Conner as he turned fire on Sgt. Means,” said Grubbs. “This staggered Conner from having an effective aim as Conner fired upon Sgt. Means. This also enabled Sgt. Means to accurately return fire on Conner.”
Early Police Chief David Mercer stated that autopsies are being performed on all three of the deceased in Travis County. Texas Rangers are leading the investigation and more in-depth questions are left for them to answer.
Grubbs and Mercer stated that both Sgt. Means and the assisting resident’s actions are being investigated and will be brought before the Brown County Grand Jury; however, they did not believe any criminal charges would be filed.
“It appears that law enforcement and the citizens of Brown County owe a debt of gratitude toward this man for his courage to act,” explained Grubbs. “It must also be noted that Sgt. Means, of the Early Police Department, responded and acted valiantly, driving into the scene and having the composure and focus to respond under fire, to return fire on Conner. As he was trained, he acted with great courage and is to be commended by law enforcement and the community he serves. His courage is an example of what law enforcement may face at any moment’s notice.”
Sheriff Grubbs also noted that some may take this incident as an opportunity to promote gun control; however he felt it is an example of importance of the right to bear arms.
“Had this citizen not had a gun, this could have been a whole lot worse,” said Grubbs.
Tinelement
08-01-2012, 20:16
Sooooo.....
Can I see this headline 9 news tonight at 10?
[ROFL1]
[Bang]
Seriously.....
Rucker61
08-01-2012, 20:39
A wheel-gun and a lever action rifle. There go the cowboy guns.
My hats of to the guy!!!!!!!
Larry Froese · Top Commenter
It's sad to think, how many more officers might die, if the guns are taken from the honest people.
Couldn't have been a 9mm, had to be .40 or better... Sorry had too... [ROFL1]
O' come on now!!![ROFL2]
theGinsue
08-01-2012, 22:26
Conner’s family explained that he had “mental problems.” Police later found a notebook in Conner’s trailer with nearly incomprehensible “ramblings.”
Surprised that no one else picked up on this and ran with it.
What I'm getting out of this is that 3 people (and 2 dogs) would possibly still be alive if this persons family had raised a red flag over their family member with "mental problems" and guns.
We hear it all of the time and often say it here, "Someone had to know this guy wasn't right, why didn't they do or say something?" It needs to be asked again here. They knew he had guns and also had mental problems but didn't raise any flags?
I know, it wasn't the nut-jobs fault, it was the guns.
Surprised that no one else picked up on this and ran with it.
What I'm getting out of this is that 3 people (and 2 dogs) would possibly still be alive if this persons family had raised a red flag over their family member with "mental problems" and guns.
We hear it all of the time and often say it here, "Someone had to know this guy wasn't right, why didn't they do or say something?" It needs to be asked again here. They knew he had guns and also had mental problems but didn't raise any flags?
I know, it wasn't the nut-jobs fault, it was the guns.
It is not even close to as simple as that.
Rucker61
08-02-2012, 00:05
It is not even close to as simple as that.
Agreed. I seem to remember that at least one member here is taking prescription anti-depressants. Depression can be classified as a mental illness; do we need to take away his guns? Unless the shooter was diagnosed by a professional, you can't know for sure if they are truly dangerous. And even professionals make mistakes.
josh7328
08-02-2012, 00:25
And it looks like the bad guy had an AR-15. I don't see this as a particular auspicious incident for 2A.
Naw he said the cop had the AR. He also mentioned that the perp "put another round in his rifle" That would lead me to believe that he wasn't using the AR.
Agreed. I seem to remember that at least one member here is taking prescription anti-depressants. Depression can be classified as a mental illness; do we need to take away his guns? Unless the shooter was diagnosed by a professional, you can't know for sure if they are truly dangerous. And even professionals make mistakes.
That's not quite the way I meant either. You can't just turn someone in to a mental health clinic and wash your hands of the whole affair. The days of commiting people for life for mental health issues are mostly over. People get out and can't afford to pay, or don't want to take their meds. It causes a huge strain on their family, and family members end up dropping off the support wagon. I can tell you right now that not many people have the time, finances, or even paitence to be an adult babysitter for someone for an entire life time.
Yes that man's family may have known he had issues, but you can only meddle in another adult's life so much. Even if they went to police saying he had mental health issues, police aren't mental health experts, nor would they do anything if no crime has been committed up to that point.
Rucker61
08-02-2012, 11:06
Naw he said the cop had the AR. He also mentioned that the perp "put another round in his rifle" That would lead me to believe that he wasn't using the AR.
Follow up data indicates is was a lever action rifle.
4/4 @ 165yds with a handgun? Do you guys smell something here?
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