View Full Version : Aurora shooter Doctor reported him as a possible threat before the shootings
battle_sight_zero
08-02-2012, 06:28
Wow more information on James Holmes. http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=1629248.proteus.fma#quickPage_html_page_2 2995_content_77445701_pageNum_1
His shrink thought he was a threat before hand and it was reported to the CU. Threat assessment team and nothing was done.
kanekutter05
08-02-2012, 07:23
Shocking...you mean academia didn't take action on an insane person who (I'm assuming) has contempt for America and the success of capitalism?
daknee_k
08-02-2012, 07:56
This is UNPRECEDENTED!
(sarcasm)
The shooter is unstable? But it's the gun's fault......
Grrrrr
Great-Kazoo
08-02-2012, 08:18
Academia wants to "respect" the privacy of the individual and their relationship with places of education, hence O's transcripts being kept secret (sorry OT)
Anyway. I find the Hall's of education's ideas of the 1st amendment when it comes to one of their own, so much different than john or jane doe.
They want every shred of info released about you or I, yet fight will all their money and attorneys to keep their crap out of the public eye.
Perhaps the 1st is an antiquated amendment that should be revised for today's society. I know they believe the 2nd is in need of revision.
kanekutter05
08-02-2012, 08:21
Academia wants to "respect" the privacy of the individual and their relationship with places of education, hence O's transcripts being kept secret (sorry OT)
Anyway. I find the Hall's of education's ideas of the 1st amendment when it comes to one of their own, so much different than john or jane doe.
They want every shred of info released about you or I, yet fight will all their money and attorneys to keep their crap out of the public eye.
Perhaps the 1st is an antiquated amendment that should be revised for today's society. I know they believe the 2nd is in need of revision.
Why stop at the 1st two amendments? Lets just scrap the whole constitution and start over...since, you know...the founding fathers were out of touch.
I guess their reasoning for not taking action was because he left the school. I dunno about them, but I would wager that if a psychiatrist said "hey this guy is gonna snap and hurt alot of people" that I wouldn't stop at the university gates.
Sad but Jim said is very true, how fast do you think since this news got out and if it can be documented a civil lawsuit will be brewing under the notion this could have been prevented if the BETA team contacted authorities?
Rucker61
08-02-2012, 08:22
What are a University's legal obligations and limitations on a report like this? Also, doesn't the shrink's report violate the doctor-patient confidentiality, or am I missing something?
gotta be careful here. Do we really want yet another group of people (shrinks) that can completely screw over your life with a phone call?
Sounds like they dropped the ball and they are already doing what they do best - make excuses and point fingers.
We're learning more about this guy and we learning alot more about the people who knew him best, their motivations, their negligence, and the costs that they consider acceptable.
Were I a victim my list would include the parents and the university directly and the movie theater indirectly.
Remember Major Hasan who murdered those defenseless people at the Army base? Our government, in its PC world, determined that it was better for 13 innocent people to die and many more to get life altering injuries than to face up to a killer who did not hide his views or threats and eventually carried them out.
These are the costs that liberals willing to pay to sacrifice you on their altar of evil.
Rucker61
08-02-2012, 08:42
These are the costs that liberals willing to pay to sacrifice you on their altar of evil.
Would you rather give those gun-hating liberals more power to be proactive in stopping potential killers? Remember, of motive, method and opportunity, they think you're already guilty of numbers two and three, if you CCW. When you spew anti-government and anti-liberal invective, you start to sound crazy to them, demonstrating number one. Do you really want to swing things the other way?
CrufflerSteve
08-02-2012, 08:48
What are a University's legal obligations and limitations on a report like this? Also, doesn't the shrink's report violate the doctor-patient confidentiality, or am I missing something?
My wife is a therapist. She'd die rather than violate confidentiality. However, there are exceptions. This would be clear one. Shrinks have an obligation to report credible violent threats. It is a shame she worked for the university. That added many layers of lard brained people who had to process this before cops were called.
Too many layers and it tends to not be done as we saw with Penn State.
Steve
I know someone that works at UCH and they are looking into see if the POS was given grant money from the yep you guessed it the US Govt. Since the shooting they have been working 12 hours days doing nothing but looking at his finances from the school.
Wonder if that's how he bought everything?
battle_sight_zero
08-02-2012, 08:52
gotta be careful here. Do we really want yet another group of people (shrinks) that can completely screw over your life with a phone call?
I work on threat assessments all the time on juveniles. I won't go into details but I can say that many serious situations have been avoided by the use of threat assessments nation wide. Quite frankly as 2A supporter I would rather see the focus on mental health and not eliminateing our 2A rights.
streetglideok
08-02-2012, 09:07
Sounds kind of like Columbine, where people called law enforcement well in advance of the shootings, and they did nothing to stop Harris and Klebold. Its almost like some of these people sit back and want to watch the show.
This is exactly why I believe better Mental Health Treatment and making it easier for treatment is key. So much relies on either the person wanting treatment or someone(Psychiatrist) recc or forcing the treatment but if it takes so much for Psychiatrists to break Doctor-Patient Confidentiality then these conversations never take place until after they snap.
Kinda reminiscent of another case... Penn State. Perhaps she reported that he was a nut and had grave potential to hurt people and motive, went to her boss and they did nothing. Much akin to what JoPa did... Let's hope they don't fry her.
Great-Kazoo
08-02-2012, 11:11
My wife is a therapist. She'd die rather than violate confidentiality. However, there are exceptions. This would be clear one. Shrinks have an obligation to report credible violent threats. It is a shame she worked for the university. That added many layers of lard brained people who had to process this before cops were called.
Too many layers and it tends to not be done as we saw with Penn State.
Steve
This. Also knowing a few (gun friendly) therapist. Unless it is a potential threat, they have no legal basis for violating patient / Dr confidentiality.
YET. A neighbor can call the police and say they think their neighbor is a threat, because a gun was seen outside. LE's are over that faster than Al Sharpton can scream RACIST.
Mama Bear
08-02-2012, 11:36
The article is pretty unclear as to whether he actually made a statement indicating he might hurt himself or others directly or she drew that conclusion. As a health care professional, I am obligated to break HIPPA when a patient expresses they might be a danger to themselves or someone else. Either way, if she did report that, then someone failed to do the minimum follow up evaluation. Its typically hard to 302 someone. (involuntarily commit someone for 72 hours for observation)
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