What if?

[battle_sight_zero]

Many of us have done a private sale or trade of a firearm on here. It seems that a weapon purchase at a store or gunshop could be tracked easily these days. I speculate about what reprucusions one would face if the person you traded or sold with went on a rampage with the trade or sell item afterwards. Sounds like to me the media would would be out to outright destroy the originals owners reputation. All this despite that it is legal to do so would not matter to the general population.

I am just curious I am not Trolling, just curious if anyone has thought about this too.

[Bailey Guns]

I do lots of trades and sales. Life's too short to worry too much about it. I do what I can to make sure it's a legal deal.

[Great-Kazoo]

Takes 2-3 days tops to find out point of origin. A CA pd called me regarding a gun i sold 17? years ago. They got a little "irked" when i asked if i could buy it back.

[battle_sight_zero]

I do lots of trades and sales. Life's too short to worry too much about it. I do what I can to make sure it's a legal deal.

Great point!

[kidicarus13]

I do lots of trades and sales. Life's too short to worry too much about it. I do what I can to make sure it's a legal deal.
Agreed

[battle_sight_zero]

Takes 2-3 days tops to find out point of origin. A CA pd called me regarding a gun i sold 17? years ago. They got a little "irked" when i asked if i could buy it back.

What happened? Why did they want that info from so long ago?

[MrPrena]

IMHO, private firearm purchase can be easily traced if they need to.
This is why BOS is so waste of time.
We have email,IP, PM,, and cell/home phone # to communicate with buyer and seller. I think that would be good enough.

[Great-Kazoo]

What happened? Why did they want that info from so long ago?

Crime there, i purchased here. How it ended up in CA years later is anyone's guess. IIRC i traded it off to a vendor many years ago for something else. You know those wacky gun nuts, buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, trade, trade.

[mevshooter]

Hopefully the guy I sold my jeep to doesn't run down a mob of people someday. I'd hate to get that call.

... oh wait, they wouldn't find the need to check on ANY other item short of a bomb to see who sold it.

Stupid.

[MCarp71]

Takes 2-3 days tops to find out point of origin. A CA pd called me regarding a gun i sold 17? years ago. They got a little "irked" when i asked if i could buy it back.


Jim, I would have loved to see the face of the cop, when you asked to buy it back. Although I can definitely see you doing that![Coffee]

[SideShow Bob]

I think most on this board are upstanding and stable people with the exception of those that think they are the worlds greatest shot since Anney Oakley from just playing video games.............

[Colorado Luckydog]

I do lots of trades and sales. Life's too short to worry too much about it. I do what I can to make sure it's a legal deal.

+1

[Byte Stryke]

I think most on this board are upstanding and stable people with the exception of those that think they are the worlds greatest shot since Anney Oakley from just playing video games.............


More Thread Tape... still getting Drama leaks
[ROFL1]


ps: Annie Oakley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Oakley)

[SideShow Bob]

So Byte,
How's Georgia ? I went AIT at FT. Gordon........

[BPTactical]

The minute a firearm leave the ownership of the individual who last filled out a 4473 on said firearm the papertrail is broken.
You think a BOS is a joke?
Just wait until you get a phone call from a detective asking about the disposition of said item and if I knew "Mr X" and said firearm was used to commit a crime.
Unless you have a document stating it went to "Mr Y"" on Z date you open yourself up to a very uncomfortable period of time answering questions if said item is used for ill purposes.

[BushMasterBoy]

The minute a firearm leave the ownership of the individual who last filled out a 4473 on said firearm the papertrail is broken.
You think a BOS is a joke?
Just wait until you get a phone call from a detective asking about the disposition of said item and if I knew "Mr X" and said firearm was used to commit a crime.
Unless you have a document stating it went to "Mr Y"" on Z date you open yourself up to a very uncomfortable period of time answering questions if said item is used for ill purposes.


I think I would have to say "Ask my lawyer!"

[mevshooter]

The minute a firearm leave the ownership of the individual who last filled out a 4473 on said firearm the papertrail is broken.
You think a BOS is a joke?
Just wait until you get a phone call from a detective asking about the disposition of said item and if I knew "Mr X" and said firearm was used to commit a crime.
Unless you have a document stating it went to "Mr Y"" on Z date you open yourself up to a very uncomfortable period of time answering questions if said item is used for ill purposes.

I completely understand what you are getting at here, and I do not dispute the validity of it.

I choose to live a life above this kind of reproach that would vindicate my name if anything like this ever happened.

Get a warrant, check my phone records, whatever you need to do. I'll be found innocent. And having a B.O.S. doesn't guarantee they won't tear your life apart if they REALLY felt like it.

Edit: I re-read your first line. When YOU are the one who filled out the 4473, I would imagine the whole B.O.S. thing is a different story. When I buy a firearm second hand from a guy who bought it second hand, not too worried about it.

[GilpinGuy]

If I sold a legal firearm to a legal buyer I would think that I wouldn't have any remorse if he/she did a horrible crime with it. But I admit that I would feel a little weird about it.

I'd think "Did I miss something that I should have seen?", etc. I wouldn't want to change any laws or anything, but it would stick with me a little.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think I would have to say "Ask my lawyer!"


Yeah mmmmmmmmm No, not the route to take.

[Danimal]

This is something that I have thought of often. As long as you follow all laws regarding personal firearms sale and use your best judgement of the character of the person that you are selling to that is all that you can do. If something does not seem right, then don't go through with the transaction.

All that it comes down to is that we all need to do our part to keep our country safe, and that might involve refusing to sell a gun to someone that has questionable motives. If they really need to buy a gun, then they can go through a background check, or act like a reasonable rational human being that I would consider selling to.

The truth is that even a bill of sale will do you no good if you are being investigated. It might be another lead for them to chase down, but it will not absolve you of all involvement and you will have to prove to them that you know and followed all laws during the sale. By selling the firearm privately without the use of an FFL transfer you as the initial transfer recipient of the gun have no legal proof that you did not fake the bill of sale. Even if you copy their drivers license it could be a fake license, and you will have nothing but a pick that looks similar to the guy you sold it to.