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10mm-man
08-07-2012, 20:17
OK, so today i had my Face=to=face meeting with the ATF Field Agent. Filled me in on a lot of stuff I didn't know and went over rules and regulations, he even saved me $200!! I applied for both my Manufacturing license and dealers license, he said I didn't need both and the manufacture's license Along w/ my SOT)would cover my needs.
All went great and he said I should have my license in two weeks! I will have my manufactures license, my class III (NFA) and dealers license.
I figure, I will manufacture; silencers, SBS, SBR, Machine Guns and deal in NFA Firearms!! Yes I said Machine Guns [M2]
SideShow Bob
08-07-2012, 20:20
Well hello and congratulations to my new best friend.......[Beer]
HoneyBadger
08-07-2012, 20:26
Hey, congratulations 10mm-man! Wanna hang out some time? Drinks on me! :D
MileHighOutlaw
08-07-2012, 20:27
Ooooo my new BFF!
Right on!!!! Congratulations. [M2]
Sharpienads
08-07-2012, 20:29
Sweet!!!
Hell yes! Glad he was cool! I would love to go through you for my silencer and maybe even get me a sweet SBR! [Beer]
Oh yeah, I want to be your new friend too! [Tooth]
islandermyk
08-07-2012, 20:31
Wow... That is super cool man! I always wondered about all that... I need to pay you a visit sometime...[Beer]
I'll test you're products!
stevelkinevil
08-07-2012, 20:37
good deal man! you ever get that logo squared away?
JM Ver. 2.0
08-07-2012, 20:49
OK, so today i had my Face=to=face meeting with the ATF Field Agent. Filled me in on a lot of stuff I didn't know and went over rules and regulations, he even saved me $200!! I applied for both my Manufacturing license and dealers license, he said I didn't need both and the manufacture's license Along w/ my SOT)would cover my needs.
All went great and he said I should have my license in two weeks! I will have my manufactures license, my class III (NFA) and dealers license.
I figure, I will manufacture; silencers, SBS, SBR, Machine Guns and deal in NFA Firearms!! Yes I said Machine Guns [M2]
Wanna go get a beer sometime? [Beer]
We'll wait to see your opinion of a mfg license after your first audit....(glad I don't have to do that crap anymore)
On a brighter note, congratulations! Learn to epitomize the words organization and redundancy.
That would be awesome! You can now buy "dealer" guns.... Full auto fun guns........ Lucky dog... [Beer]
F/A Dealer Sample Hk UMP 40 W/Suppressor $2500 Buy It Now... You lucky lucky dog.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299282948
F/A Dealer Sample PS90 for $1750
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299693491
That would be awesome! You can now buy "dealer" guns.... Full auto fun guns........ Lucky dog... [Beer]
F/A Dealer Sample Hk UMP 40 W/Suppressor $2500 Buy It Now... You lucky lucky dog.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299282948
F/A Dealer Sample PS90 for $1750
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299693491
Still needs a letter from the sheriff for each...SOT is not a free for all for buying weapons, especially post-86 ones.
One Shot
08-07-2012, 21:41
Hell yeah, congrats!
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 21:50
Still needs a letter from the sheriff for each...SOT is not a free for all for buying weapons, especially post-86 ones.
Negative, with the manufactures license I can; make my own Full Auto's and buy transfer Tax free between manufacture's. What I can't do is transfer to a class III dealer with out the LEO letter..... Nor transfer to individuals "New Manufactured" machine guns (full auto)..... I can however buy, sell pre-ban to individuals...
And sell all new manufactured "machine guns" to LEO or Federal agencies and I believe export. Not 100% on export as i said i didn't want to deal with it "right now"...
I will build my own before I buy from another manufacture as the whole point is to build my brand...
And actually yes it is: "a free for all to buy and sell post band weapons." The whole point in getting the license- To make money! (But like stated above only to LEO or Fed Agencies)
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 21:54
Thanks to all my "New Friends"!!![Beer]
Anytime you need or want to have a beer, I am always open!!
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:03
That would be awesome! You can now buy "dealer" guns.... Full auto fun guns........ Lucky dog... [Beer]
F/A Dealer Sample Hk UMP 40 W/Suppressor $2500 Buy It Now... You lucky lucky dog.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299282948
F/A Dealer Sample PS90 for $1750
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=299693491
Actually I can manufacture my own "brand" full auto.....
I can only transfer to LEO, another manufacture, Class III dealer with letter or Fed Agency.
TriggerHappy
08-07-2012, 22:04
Remember when I bought you that beer.. Oh wait, I think you bought your own beer, but thats not the point.. I'll need a can for that 1911 your boy likes. [Coffee]
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:06
We'll wait to see your opinion of a mfg license after your first audit....(glad I don't have to do that crap anymore)
On a brighter note, congratulations! Learn to epitomize the words organization and redundancy.
I am already a Federal Contractor- used to Fed audit's, a piece of paper for everything, even to wipe your ass.... Dot the I's cross the T's!
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:07
Remember when I bought you that beer.. Oh wait, I think you bought your own beer, but thats not the point.. I'll need a can for that 1911 your boy likes. [Coffee]
We can get on that!!
You guys are a bunch of leaches, everybody knows me and ummm, 10mm man go way back.
Actually I can manufacture my own "brand" full auto.....
I can only transfer to LEO, another manufacture, Class III dealer with letter or Fed Agency.
I knew that, but you can buy a very nice Hk for very little...... [Beer]
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:15
You guys are a bunch of leaches, everybody knows me and ummm, 10mm man go way back.
Way back! Open that wallet and we shall start building your very own personalized "silenced " firearm.....[ROFL1][Beer]
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:19
I knew that, but you can buy a very nice Hk for very little...... [Beer]
Yea, I am gonna look into that. The field agent said I can transfer my full auto's and buy full auto's from the manufacture but I am not sure about buying from the class III. Unless these are from the manufacture??
The ad did say SOT w/ letter but that could be because their use to dealing with a Class III w/ sot and not a Manufacture?? Not sure?
I'm gonna call and find out or send a message and find out. Only thing is not sure what I would do w/ it? Reverse engineer? Maybe find an agency to buy more? O and shoot it!
Circuits
08-07-2012, 22:21
All went great and he said I should have my license in two weeks! I will have my manufactures license, my class III (NFA) and dealers license.
You'll actually be applying for a Class 2 SOT (NFA manufacturer). Class 3 is just a SOT dealer.
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:27
You'll actually be applying for a Class 2 SOT (NFA manufacturer). Class 3 is just a SOT dealer.
Yes correct! Was trying to explain an easy way but saying it the way you did seams like an easier explanation....[Beer]
Actually I am not sure it is, now that I think about it. Nobody knows what a Class 2 can do, by the way you explained.... Or maybe they do.... Either way glad your there!!
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:31
Hell yes! Glad he was cool! I would love to go through you for my silencer and maybe even get me a sweet SBR! [Beer]
Oh yeah, I want to be your new friend too! [Tooth]
Let's do it..... 1st couple of years will mostly be R&D, product testing and making sure I have a good quality product. We can work something out.....
congrats! It would be cool to see you make your own suppressors and sell them. It would be nice to see some more NFA/firearms businesses pop up here in CO.
10mm-man
08-07-2012, 22:47
congrats! It would be cool to see you make your own suppressors and sell them. It would be nice to see some more NFA/firearms businesses pop up here in CO.
That is my plan; to start w/ silencers (ATF said Silencer was the correct term) I said suppressor and he looked at me funny...
Anyway, silencers 1st then on to development of a full auto. Even though I might have to put one together or at least start R&D. I am trying to figure what would be more appealing to the end user; Auto Sear, Lightning Strike or Trigger? I asked the ATF guy and he said a lot of LEO departments like the Auto sear because they can change from weapon to weapon. Thoughts?
Two things.
1) If you don't know what the word "allocated" means, get ready to see it often on the wholesalers websites.
2) Be ready to receive a bill for $2000.00+ for ITAR with your class 7.
10mm-man
08-08-2012, 00:22
Two things.
1) If you don't know what the word "allocated" means, get ready to see it often on the wholesalers websites.
2) Be ready to receive a bill for $2000.00+ for ITAR with your class 7.
I actually thought it was $2400
Congrats, I'm sure that's a load off the mind. Look forward to seeing your products.
I actually thought it was $2400
It may be. Congrates either way. Just got ours about two weeks ago. [Beer]
ANADRILL
08-08-2012, 10:53
Awesome, did you have an FFL before, or did you go straight to this. Currious.
10mm-man
08-08-2012, 11:01
Awesome, did you have an FFL before, or did you go straight to this. Currious.
I always start at the top! [Beer] No seriously I wanted to manufacture my own brand of guns and silencers, I also want to be able to do transfers, so I just applied for what I wanted.
10mm-man
08-20-2012, 19:40
Said they are dropping in the mail this week. Lady who handles it was out last week on vacation or I would have had already.....
Actually I can manufacture my own "brand" full auto.....
Congratulations. Lemme know if you need help with alloy selection, friend. [Beer]
Said they are dropping in the mail this week. Lady who handles it was out last week on vacation or I would have had already.....
Nice! I am setting up a NFA trust here soon and will be looking for a couple silencers. Be sure to let us know when you have some ready for sale. Also as far as R&D goes, I'll come down there and shoot the crap out of anything you build.[Beer]
HoneyBadger
08-20-2012, 20:15
Nice! I am setting up a NFA trust here soon and will be looking for a couple silencers. Be sure to let us know when you have some ready for sale. Also as far as R&D goes, I'll come down there and shoot the crap out of anything you build.[Beer]
I'd like to talk to you when you start setting up your trust, as I'd like to do the same. I don't really know where to start. [Beer]
Do you have to get the type 07 before filing with te state dept? That $2500/yr is awfully steep in you ask me, just to get on a list! Or do you have to pay it before they will issue the 07?
Also, who did you find gen liability coverage from? I looked a bit, an found everyone was crazy expensive, or wanted nothing to do with an SOT/07 manufacturer.
10mm-man
08-20-2012, 22:06
I'd like to talk to you when you start setting up your trust, as I'd like to do the same. I don't really know where to start. [Beer]
There is an online trust thing I have read does the job just fine. Or do an LLC through the state.
10mm-man
08-20-2012, 22:10
Do you have to get the type 07 before filing with te state dept? That $2500/yr is awfully steep in you ask me, just to get on a list! Or do you have to pay it before they will issue the 07?
Also, who did you find gen liability coverage from? I looked a bit, an found everyone was crazy expensive, or wanted nothing to do with an SOT/07 manufacturer.
I was told by the guy at the ATF you can apply for a waiver for the $2500 yr thing. Said he heard of it but not sure, as I have no intentions of exporting right now. We shall see!
As for insurance I haven't signed with anyone yet. I am not that far along yet, I wanted to make sure i had the application process done before I spent money.
Have you found anybody with decent quotes?
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 11:13
Congratulations. Lemme know if you need help with alloy selection, friend. [Beer]
I do![Beer]
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 11:17
Nice! I am setting up a NFA trust here soon and will be looking for a couple silencers. Be sure to let us know when you have some ready for sale. Also as far as R&D goes, I'll come down there and shoot the crap out of anything you build.[Beer]
What are you going to put them on?
I have an engineer that is going to start designing some for me. I was gonna do a .45 for the Glock but the booster design (to get it to function correctly) is a pain in the A$$.... I am still considering it but interested in what others might want as well....
BPTactical
08-25-2012, 12:13
Insurance - Chiarillo out of New Jersey is about the best. They specialize in firearm industry insurance.
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 12:38
Insurance - Chiarillo out of New Jersey is about the best. They specialize in firearm industry insurance.
Yea, talked with them a couple times and seems to be the best out there! Thanks!
10mm-man
08-29-2012, 15:17
Got it in today!![Beer]
Now app off for SOT- 3 more week wait! But I can do transfers until then.... I am in Greenwood Village (DTC) in case anyone wants to know![Beer]
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