Active shooter at Texas at A&M?

[TriggerHappy]

Just heard on the news, they gave no details. Standby for more information. The anchor said that LE was involved. Wonder if this was another "gun free zone"..

[00tec]

It's not exactly clear whether it was on campus or not. It doesn't look like it. It's probably a relatively small incident but is big because or recent tensions and the school sent out an alert.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Shooter-taken-into-custody-near-Texas-AM-campus-166002066.html

COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- A gunman shot at least two people near the campus of Texas A&M University early Monday afternoon before being taken into custody.
The school's emergency website issued a "Code Maroon" alert around 12:29 p.m., telling students and staff to avoid the area near the 200 block of Fidelity Drive.
A few minutes later, school officials said College Station police took the shooter into custody.
Police said the suspect was firing shots from a house near the campus. A city spokesman said "multiple casualties" were involved in the incident, but was not confirmed whether those injured were officers or citizens.
It wasn't immediately known what events led up to the incident.
Check back for updates to this developing story.
On the web: http://codemaroon.tamu.edu/

[Scanker19]

NEAR seems to be the key word in all these articles.

[Rooskibar03]

Ok I'm not going to put it on yet but I am going to dust off my tin foil hat and start to wonder if somehow the recent rash of gun violence isn't being instigated by someone(s) with an agenda to push?

[islandermyk]

That f*cken blows.... the shooter is still alive after shooting and wounding LEO's too...


... okay.. now I got my tin foil hat on...

[TriggerHappy]

Ok I'm not going to put it on yet but I am going to dust off my tin foil hat and start to wonder if somehow the recent rash of gun violence isn't being instigated by someone(s) with an agenda to push?

I couldn't agree more.

[zteknik]

Ok I'm not going to put it on yet but I am going to dust off my tin foil hat and start to wonder if somehow the recent rash of gun violence isn't being instigated by someone(s) with an agenda to push?
Sounds Bloombergish dosen't it? I wouldn't doubt he has his hand in it somewhere.

[Ridge]

Police said the suspect was firing shots from a house near the campus.

Important to note. He was not running around shooting people. He was barricaded inside a residence.

[Scanker19]

Important to note. He was not running around shooting people. He was barricaded inside a residence.

Sounds better for a story if he interrupted biology.

"Fuck you telophase!" ratatttatat........

[Rucker61]

Important to note. He was not running around shooting people. He was barricaded inside a residence.

Considering this was Texas, he may have been safer there.

[Pancho Villa]

From an ag I know (sort of):


Okay new post on Texags forum from an alleged neighbor, officer was there to give an eviction notice and the dude who got the notice opened fire before shooting everyone he could.

Newspaper confirms one officer fatality.

I used to be an evictions specialist up in Dallas; I carried every day, and was always a little on key when the constable showed up (it was only ever 1) to forcibly evict someone. Nothing ever went down, but man.

Apparently not too huge, but all the same, thoughts out to those affected.

[Scanker19]

From an ag I know (sort of):



I used to be an evictions specialist up in Dallas; I carried every day, and was always a little on key when the constable showed up (it was only ever 1) to forcibly evict someone. Nothing ever went down, but man.

Apparently not too huge, but all the same, thoughts out to those affected.

I read on Yahoo it was the student newspaper that reported that, now I can't find it.

[Pancho Villa]

New info from ags: 4 confirmed dead, Constable, Landlord, Shooter and a Mother who was helping her daughter move in down the street.

[KevDen2005]

Ok I'm not going to put it on yet but I am going to dust off my tin foil hat and start to wonder if somehow the recent rash of gun violence isn't being instigated by someone(s) with an agenda to push?

I also really hate to put on the tin foil hat right now. But the shootings seem to be getting a little worse during a time when gun agendas are at the top of democrat lists, the AWB is being talked about again (and always), the UN will attempt another push for our weapons, and we are coming up on an election very quickly.

I don't want to tin foil hat this because I still have hope that a person wouldn't take many lives with them for someone else's political agenda.

[Ronin13]

New info from ags: 4 confirmed dead, Constable, Landlord, Shooter and a Mother who was helping her daughter move in down the street.

Sorry, but why do they (you, whoever) keep using the word Constable? Isn't it a police officer? What is this England? :D

My thoughts and prayers to those affected by this... here comes the anti's once more![Bang]

[Pancho Villa]

This doesn't appear to be a planned act or intentional mass shooting. The guy was apparently going after his landlord and the constables that showed up to evict him.

Standard loser taking it out on the rest of us, but not a mass shooter.

[Pancho Villa]

Sorry, but why do they (you, whoever) keep using the word Constable? Isn't it a police officer? What is this England? :D

My thoughts and prayers to those affected by this... here comes the anti's once more![Bang]

In Dallas (in all of Texas I believe) and Houston, Constables are LEOs assigned to the courthouse that serve (including writs of eviction, which is when you're forcibly expelled from where you're at by the owner of the place) and protect the courthouse and a few other legal-related duties.

Total goddamn bros, too. Laid back, friendly, put you at ease. My first real eviction, when the constable showed up, I let him know I was carrying and had a permit. We talked guns for about 5 minutes and he asked if I wanted to back him up.

So sad to see an eviction gone bad. I've been there and I've seen sad families and tears, fortunately never violence.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sorry, but why do they (you, whoever) keep using the word Constable? Isn't it a police officer? What is this England? :D

My thoughts and prayers to those affected by this... here comes the anti's once more![Bang]

Constable is a terminology used still here in the USofA, in TX i believe they are like ordinance officer. I miss the days of them being called flatfoots & dicks, seriously.
Either way another LE gone, another incident with a gun. OR, AUTOMATIC WEAPON as being reported by the tv station there.
ALL you gun owners who think you should be stocking up, max the CC.

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/shotting-near-texas-aandm-kills-one-officer-one-civilian/2012/08/13/a87c9560-bdcd-45e5-8f08-bdf9858f40b3_video.html

Video at the link.

I am so sick of these shooting spree.. We need to require everyone to carry!!!!

[10mm-man]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/shotting-near-texas-aandm-kills-one-officer-one-civilian/2012/08/13/a87c9560-bdcd-45e5-8f08-bdf9858f40b3_video.html

Video at the link.

I am so sick of these shooting spree.. We need to require everyone to carry!!!!

Repost: http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=60018

or is this another?

[TriggerHappy]

Hahaha I beat you too it MB888!

[Pancho Villa]

Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.

Thoughts to the Constable's family and the landlady (or his/her rep) that were killed, all the same.

[SuperiorDG]

Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.

Same here. I think it's part of this militarization of our police. I hear it all the time on gun forums, "you don't know what you are talking about you are just a civilian." Guess what, so are you.

[10mm-man]

Same here. I think it's part of this militarization of our police. I hear it all the time on gun forums, "you don't know what you are talking about you are just a civilian." Guess what, so are you.


Point of irritation for me: cops are civilians, not a special class of people apart from them.

Thoughts to the Constable's family and the landlady (or his/her rep) that were killed, all the same.

ci·vil·ian/səˈvilyən/
Noun:
A person not in the armed services or the police force.
Adjective:
Of, denoting, or relating to such a person.
Synonyms:
noun. citizen
adjective. civil - civic

[SuperiorDG]

Civilian

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#mw-head), search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#p-search)
For other uses, see Civilian (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_%28disambiguation%29).
A civilian under international humanitarian law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_humanitarian_law) (also known as the laws of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war)) is a person who is not a member of his or her country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country)'s armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_forces) or other militia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia). Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency), which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_unit).
Contents




1 Etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Etymology)
2 Legal usage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Legal_usage)
3 Civilians in modern conflicts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Civilians_in_modern_conflicts)
4 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#See_also)
5 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#References)
6 Further reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Further_reading)
7 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#External_links)

Etymology

The word "civilian" goes back to the late 14th Century and is from Old French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_French) civilien, "of the civil law". It was used to refer to judges, lawyers, firemen, police, and other civil servants. Civilian is believed to have been used to refer to non-combatants as early as 1829.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#cite_note-0)

Civilians are none combatants.
Police are non-combatants.
Therefore, police are civilians.

[10mm-man]

Civilian

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#mw-head), search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#p-search)
For other uses, see Civilian (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_%28disambiguation%29).
A civilian under international humanitarian law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_humanitarian_law) (also known as the laws of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war)) is a person who is not a member of his or her country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country)'s armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_forces) or other militia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia). Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency), which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_unit).
Contents




1 Etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Etymology)
2 Legal usage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Legal_usage)
3 Civilians in modern conflicts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Civilians_in_modern_conflicts)
4 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#See_also)
5 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#References)
6 Further reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#Further_reading)
7 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#External_links)

Etymology

The word "civilian" goes back to the late 14th Century and is from Old French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_French) civilien, "of the civil law". It was used to refer to judges, lawyers, firemen, police, and other civil servants. Civilian is believed to have been used to refer to non-combatants as early as 1829.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian#cite_note-0)

Civilians are none combatants.
Police are non-combatants.
Therefore, police are civilians.

You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...

[Pancho Villa]

You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...

I know modern usage has changed a bit, but the etymology and history of the word are clear. Using "civilian" to also mean "not a cop" may be common use today (and thus in the dictionary) but it's a bastardization of the word's original meaning, imo.

[10mm-man]

I know modern usage has changed a bit, but the etymology and history of the word are clear. Using "civilian" to also mean "not a cop" may be common use today (and thus in the dictionary) but it's a bastardization of the word's original meaning, imo.

I agree.. The way the Military looks at it...

[SAnd]

You know Wikipedia isn't a recognized source, right? Only recognized dictionaries my friend...

Dictionaries don't define words, they describe how they are currently being used. The switch from prescriptive to descriptive dictionaries has resulted in just the confusion we are having right here concerning civilian. Words don't have meanings anymore.

It stinks when you have to start any discussion by agreeing to a definition of terms. So if you want to discuss the definition of civilian don't quote dictionaries as the ending defining point.

By the way, I agree with Paunco Villas definition.

[Irving]

If you are not active military, you are a civilian.

[Ronin13]

If you are not active military, you are a civilian.

This! Okay, now back to our scheduled discussion. [Coffee]
/derail.

[T-Giv]

Tin foil engaged.

[SuperiorDG]

WTF. Should these people be held responsible for this nut case's actions? If he were a terrorist and they knew he was planning an attack, you damn right.

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http://www.guns.com/images/article_images/1344967553009cover.jpg Relatives of the gunman who fatally shot a constable serving an eviction notice, the landlord of the residence and wounded several others in a gunfight in College Station, Texas, described the man as a “ticking time bomb.”

The shooter was identified as 35-year-old Thomas "Tres" Caffall, an unemployed, divorcee who recently told family members that he would never work for anybody again.

"He was crazy as hell," said Caffall’s stepfather Richard Weaver. "At one point, we were afraid that he was going to come up here and do something to his mother and me."

"We were hoping he'd kill himself before doing something like this," added Weaver. "We are just devastated for the families this SOB killed."

According to authorities, Caffall opened fire on Brazos County Constable Brian Bachmann shortly before 12:30 pm on Monday. Bachmann was at Caffall’s residence to serve him with an eviction notice.

Two officers nearby responded to the call of shots being fired in the 200 block of Fidelity in College Station. When they arrived on the scene, they discovered the constable down in the front yard of the residence.

They "received fire from the suspect inside, ... took cover and defended themselves," said Scott McCollum, assistant chief with the College Station police department. The two officers then called for backup.

"They ended up shooting the gunman," said McCollum.



When the melee ended at approx. 12:45 pm, three people were dead, including constable Bachman, Cafall and 43-year-old Chris Northcliff, Caffall’s landlord.

Police said that three other law enforcement officers and a 55-year-old woman were wounded.

It’s unclear what precisely caused Caffall to snap, but an acquaintance of Caffall, Shawn Kemp told The Eagle newspaper that he “fits the profile of a dude who might snap,” although he did not have a criminal history.

Kemp said Caffall would frequently talk about guns and war and seemed depressed.

"I don’t know the guy well, but I’ve been around him enough to know, well, that I’m not surprised at all,” Kemp said, noting that Caffall had mentioned something about selling or pawning his guns to pay rent.

On what appeared to be Caffall’s Facebook page, he described himself as “a cross between Forrest Gump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Gump) and Jack Kerouac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kerouac) ... I'm on the road permanently."

His “list of inspirational” people included marksmen Vasily Zaytsev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Zaytsev)and Carlos Hathcock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock) and firearm designers Eugene Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner), Mikhail Kalashnikov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalashnikov), John Garand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garand), Samuel Colt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Colt) and John Browning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning).

In a statement released by family attorney W. Tyler Moore, Caffall's mother Linda Weaver acknowledged that her son was “ill” adding that the family was "shocked and devastated by the tragedy."

"Our thoughts and prayers go to the families of the deceased and the wounded victims," Weaver said. "We mourn them and the loss of Tres. He had been ill. It breaks our hearts his illness led to this."

[Irving]

Family isn't at fault. Even if they told some "authority," nothing would have, nor could have been done. Freedom isn't free.

[Ronin13]

Family isn't at fault. Even if they told some "authority," nothing would have, nor could have been done. Freedom isn't free.

Also, doesn't this fall into "Pre-Crime," the whole faulty concept of punishing crime before it happens. I think Philip K. Dick did a great job of pointing out these flaws in "Minority Report."