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Chaffee2
05-14-2007, 12:17
Chilling article. Has anyone heard of this before. Down towards the end of the article it mentions the other towns that have these training facilities and Buena Vista is mentioned. I didn't have a link to the article I copied and pasted from the SmithWesson Forum. I hope it is OK to post a large article. Mods if this isn't cool let me know and I won't do it again. Just thought this was important for everyone to know.


Springtime in Islamberg
Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state
By Paul L. Williams Ph.D., (author of THE DAY OF ISLAM)

With the able assistance of Douglas Hagmann, Bill Krayer and Michael Travis

Friday, May 11, 2007


Dr. Paul Williams at the entrance of Islamberg
Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.

The 70 acre complex is surrounded with "No trespassing" signs; the rocky terrain is infested with rattlesnakes; and the woods are home to black bears, coyotes, wolves, and a few bobcats.


Muslim Lane
The entrance to the community is at the bottom of a very steep hill that is difficult to navigate even on a bright sunny day in May. The road, dubbed Muslim Lane, is unpaved and marred by deep crevices that have been created by torrential downpours. On a wintry day, few, save those with all terrain vehicles, could venture forth from the remote encampment.

A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with any unauthorized intruders.

The hillside is blighted by rusty trailers that appear to be without power or running water and a number of outhouses. The scent of raw sewage is in the air.

The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."

On the other side of the hill where few dare to go is a tiny village replete with a make-shift learning center (dubbed the "International Quranic Open University"); a trailer converted into a Laundromat; a small, green community center; a small and rather squalid grocery store; a newly constructed majid; over forty clapboard homes; and scores of additional trailers.



It is home to hundreds - - all in Islamic attire, and all African-Americans. Most drive late model SUVs with license plates from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee. The locals say that some work as tollbooth operators for the New York State Thruway, while others are employed at a credit card processing center that maintains confidential financial records.

While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

Islamberg's Grocery Store

Islamberg's Grocery Store
The complex serves to scare the bejeesus out of the local residents. "If you go there, you better wear body armor," a customer at the Circle E Diner in Hancock said. "They have armed guards and if they shoot you, nobody will find your body."

At Cousins, a watering hole in nearby Deposit, a barfly, who didn't wish to be identified, said: "The place is dangerous. You can hear gunfire up there. I can't understand why the FBI won't shut it down."

Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.



Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.

Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."

In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.

Over the years, numerous members of Jamaat ul-Fuqra have been convicted in US courts of such crimes as conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud. Others remain leading suspects in criminal cases throughout the country, including ten unsolved assassinations and seventeen fire-bombings between 1979 and 1990.

The criminal charges against the group and the criminal convictions are not things of the past. In 2001, a resident of a California compound was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting of a sheriff's deputy; another was charged with gun-smuggling' and twenty-four members of the Red House community were convicted of firearms violations.

By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan.

Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish, and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity.

thebolt
05-15-2007, 17:20
The Buena Vista compound was raided and shut down over 10 years ago. Some of the other compounds are still active.

Gman
05-16-2007, 06:31
Here's a link to the article;
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm

You will also get the pictures that go with the captions.

buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 07:52
To resurrect an old thread...boyles and spencer hit this pretty hard in the first hour of the show...Muslim no go areas...omfg in the US?

sniper7
07-25-2013, 08:17
sounds like a good time for a military training mission? Obama wants to play on us soil apparently. Here is his chance to prove he doesn't want Islam in america.

Jamnanc
07-25-2013, 09:18
Ok, I don't like terrorists. That's a no brainier. I see a very bad precedent though if we go after these compounds without cause as they have the right to freedom of religion, peaceable assembly... If this was a separatist Christian compound would you feel differently? I'd like to see crime committed or reasonable suspicion before we take ANYONE'S freedoms away.

def90
07-25-2013, 09:35
http://archive.adl.org/extremism/moa/al-fuqra.pdf

Ridge
07-25-2013, 09:58
Ok, I don't like terrorists. That's a no brainier. I see a very bad precedent though if we go after these compounds without cause as they have the right to freedom of religion, peaceable assembly... If this was a separatist Christian compound would you feel differently? I'd like to see crime committed or reasonable suspicion before we take ANYONE'S freedoms away.

Exactly. Far too often do I see people on here who just want their own freedom, but also feel we should go after X because they could be a danger.

TFOGGER
07-25-2013, 10:01
The difference between a ranch and a "compound" is the FBI SUV parked outside the gate...

Ronin13
07-25-2013, 10:14
Ok, I don't like terrorists. That's a no brainier. I see a very bad precedent though if we go after these compounds without cause as they have the right to freedom of religion, peaceable assembly... If this was a separatist Christian compound would you feel differently? I'd like to see crime committed or reasonable suspicion before we take ANYONE'S freedoms away.
I see these compounds having a serious need to be watched- but the stand off and nature of the construction of the compounds make surveillance difficult. How would probable cause to execute search/arrest warrants be attained if you cannot even survey the property? If there is a reason to put these groups under a microscope (or any religious extremist group that reportedly trains for combat- well beyond the scope of a militia and with far more nefarious purposes) I'd support it, before they do something. Although it seems they already have- the article from '07 the OP shared told of assassinations and bombings. If they're investigated and found to not be potential enemies of the American people, then leave them be. But I don't care what religion a group is, if they mean to do harm to the US population, take them down. Besides, I don't think a Christian compound would be training to murder innocent "infidels." YMMV

buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 10:32
I don't care, this crap scares me. I've been reading all the survivalist books, and no one mentions the muslim armies that are being bread right here in the states to take us down...I don't care how much training i do, or teach...I still can't teach squad tactics!

Jamnanc
07-25-2013, 11:46
I agree with "Watching". Use undercover, flyovers, sats, wire tap if you get a warrant.... Catch someone planning an operation or performing one, get a reason for a warrant. Search, find illegal activities and prosecute. I don't think we can go raiding someone for what they may do. If this becomes SOP, you may find yourself part of the next "Suspicous" group that needs to be targeted.

"I don't care, this crap scares me. I've been reading all the survivalist books, and no one mentions the muslim armies that are being bread right here in the states to take us down...I don't care how much training i do, or teach...I still can't teach squad tactics!"

I don't know anyone that isn't scared, or at least concerned about terrorism. Our fear is exactly what the nannyists want so the government can be more invasive, America a little less free, and we can have a greater illusion of safety.

Watch them, yes. When they break the law arrest them and throw away the key, but don't throw out the bill of rights because they "May" be a danger.

Ronin13
07-25-2013, 11:50
I don't think we can go raiding someone for what they may do. If this becomes SOP, you may find yourself part of the next "Suspicous" group that needs to be targeted.
It's called conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism/mass murder. If they're found to be planning terrorist action, hell yes they can be targeted, raided and charged. But it can be a slippery slope... training with some guys on the weekend in MOUT warfare to hone/learn useful skills (in the event of an EOTWAWKI or SHTF scenario) could, by some, be construed as planning urban terror attacks, when in reality it's no different than what mil/pd do- train for what may happen.

Jamnanc
07-25-2013, 11:52
A link to odds of death from terrorism.

http://reason.com/archives/2006/08/11/dont-be-terrorized

Ronin13
07-25-2013, 12:02
A link to odds of death from terrorism.

http://reason.com/archives/2006/08/11/dont-be-terrorized
The thing most dismiss about terrorism, is not the fear of being a victim, it's the aftermath effect of the act. Remember 9/11? No one wanted to fly for a while, thus severely and almost irreparably harming the airline industry. No one went shopping, nearly crashing our stock market. People were afraid, granted irrationally so, but it created a sense that we were no longer "safe" in our own country. Yes, you're very unlikely to be killed in a terrorist attack, but that's not the most damaging factor in terrorism, it's in the name itself "terror"- it incites it, causes people to change their habits, question safety and security, and unintended, press lawmakers to reduce freedom in the name of security. It's in our best interest to try to prevent and deter terror attacks, because the loss of life is bad enough, the other after-effects can be catastrophic.

Ridge
07-25-2013, 12:09
The thing most dismiss about terrorism, is not the fear of being a victim, it's the aftermath effect of the act. Remember 9/11? No one wanted to fly for a while, thus severely and almost irreparably harming the airline industry. No one went shopping, nearly crashing our stock market. People were afraid, granted irrationally so, but it created a sense that we were no longer "safe" in our own country. Yes, you're very unlikely to be killed in a terrorist attack, but that's not the most damaging factor in terrorism, it's in the name itself "terror"- it incites it, causes people to change their habits, question safety and security, and unintended, press lawmakers to reduce freedom in the name of security. It's in our best interest to try to prevent and deter terror attacks, because the loss of life is bad enough, the other after-effects can be catastrophic.

Because they were afraid of being a victim.

buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 13:02
It's called conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism/mass murder. If they're found to be planning terrorist action, hell yes they can be targeted, raided and charged. But it can be a slippery slope... training with some guys on the weekend in MOUT warfare to hone/learn useful skills (in the event of an EOTWAWKI or SHTF scenario) could, by some, be construed as planning urban terror attacks, when in reality it's no different than what mil/pd do- train for what may happen.

There isn't a single LEA who's gonna put their dick on the table to test this one out...They're either scared of the people in the compound or scared of getting a lawsuit thrown at them via CAIR.

buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 13:04
There isn't a single LEA who's gonna put their dick on the table to test this one out...They're either scared of the people in the compound or scared of getting a lawsuit thrown at them via CAIR.

But they sure as hell don't have a problem kicking down any one of our doors shooting the hell out of our house because they "think" you might be misbehaving!!! Grr, i'm grumpy about this topic.

KestrelBike
07-25-2013, 13:09
A link to odds of death from terrorism.

http://reason.com/archives/2006/08/11/dont-be-terrorized

My biggest fear is being zapped on my bicycle by lightening. It's actually a pretty good chance, all things considered.

Jamnanc
07-25-2013, 13:26
[ROFL1] Thanks. I just want to go fast, preferably without knowing its coming.

buckshotbarlow
07-25-2013, 13:37
everything is fine here, move along...move along

sellersm
07-25-2013, 13:50
We all know that this is exactly why the NSA, drones are flying, and other TLA agencies are doing what they're doing.... now move along, as buckshotbarlow said, nothing to see here.

RblDiver
07-25-2013, 13:51
[ROFL1] Thanks. I just want to go fast, preferably without knowing its coming.
Heh, a character in a book I read: "He wanted to die from a stroke while being fellated by an 18 year old redhead named Tracey." "Why Tracey?" "I don't know, and now I'll never get to ask him!"

I like his idea!

sroz
07-25-2013, 20:46
But they sure as hell don't have a problem kicking down any one of our doors shooting the hell out of our house because they "think" you might be misbehaving!!! Grr, i'm grumpy about this topic.

Just get another bag of frozen peas and the grumpiness will go away....

netsecsys
07-26-2013, 00:01
Addresses of locations?

GilpinGuy
07-26-2013, 00:16
Who here would be comfortable with this "compound" being their neighbor? [Coffee]

buckshotbarlow
07-26-2013, 07:22
Who here would be comfortable with this "compound" being their neighbor? [Coffee]



It sounds like most of these compounds are typical bullies and have everybody scared of them. No one has really stood up to em and told em to pound some sand...