Polygraph tomorrow...

[mevshooter]

Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.

[Great-Kazoo]

Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.

5mg of Valium takes the edge off anything. A poly is easy once you relax, you have nothing to hide so go for it.

[argonstrom]

Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.

Just don't tell them about that time we went to Vegas and met that nice lady.

[SideShow Bob]

5mg of Valium takes the edge off anything. A poly is easy once you relax, you have nothing to hide so go for it.

Your hosed........ Just go ask Obammer for your share of the wealth, screw a job.........[LOL]

[mevshooter]

Just don't tell them about that time we went to Vegas and met that nice lady.

SON OF A.... SHUT. UP.

[ROFL1]



Your hosed........ Just go ask Obammer for your share of the wealth, screw a job.........[LOL]

I'm white and a male so... yeah.

[Tooth]

[flan7211]

Good luck dude I just got fucked by the Border Patrol on one. The racist ass Hispanic polygrapher had it out for whitey. Passed all parts until we reached national security. He said I was "bouncing" on terrorism questions. Fucker then had the audacity to say maybe it was my history with guns (I work at a gun store.) I'm appealing right now. Good luck bro.

[mevshooter]

Good luck dude I just got fucked by the Border Patrol on one. The racist ass Hispanic polygrapher had it out for whitey. Passed all parts until we reached national security. He said I was "bouncing" on terrorism questions. Fucker then had the audacity to say maybe it was my history with guns (I work at a gun store.) I'm appealing right now. Good luck bro.

Well, crap. That sucks. The piece of paper I signed says they are not allowed to ask any questions regarding "racial issue, sexual orientation issues, religious issues or political issues" and that if anyone tries I am supposed to report them. So... hopefully they don't ask any of those questions.

[Irving]

I was going to reply, but I never knew if I passed the one I took. I assume that I did, and that they didn't hire me for other reasons.

[SA Friday]

Good luck dude I just got fucked by the Border Patrol on one. The racist ass Hispanic polygrapher had it out for whitey. Passed all parts until we reached national security. He said I was "bouncing" on terrorism questions. Fucker then had the audacity to say maybe it was my history with guns (I work at a gun store.) I'm appealing right now. Good luck bro.

Bouncing??? Did he actually use that word? That's slang for showing an autonomic response to the question/answer, but not conclusive unless it scores high enough to show a certainty of deception. Basically, he's probabaly not very good at his job. "brainstorming" results are typical and the whole point of lifestyle poly questions. That's what the bouncing is. It shows you are trying to think of anything in the past that meets the criteria of the question. If the results are indeterminate, it's grounds for a retest with another examiner or a secondary test with the initial examiner.

Every agencies policies on testing is different, but the examiner is just as important as the questions.

[flan7211]

Bouncing??? Did he actually use that word? That's slang for showing an autonomic response to the question/answer, but not conclusive unless it scores high enough to show a certainty of deception. Basically, he's probabaly not very good at his job. "brainstorming" results are typical and the whole point of lifestyle poly questions. That's what the bouncing is. It shows you are trying to think of anything in the past that meets the criteria of the question. If the results are indeterminate, it's grounds for a retest with another examiner or a secondary test with the initial examiner.

Every agencies policies on testing is different, but the examiner is just as important as the questions.

Border Patrol told me to pound sand honestly. This fag was head of the BPA Union years ago so no one steps on his toes. Fuck em honestly. I was a top candidate until that too. Yes he used that term btw.

[jhood001]

I was going to reply, but I never knew if I passed the one I took. I assume that I did, and that they didn't hire me for other reasons.

You bounced when you typed this! [Tooth]

[SA Friday]

You bounced when you typed this! [Tooth]

No, that was a straight up spike.[Coffee]

[Irving]

Let's just say that even when used correctly, there are certain words that you shouldn't use to answer questions on the written portion of the application.

[cstone]

No booze or drugs. Plenty of sleep. Relax. Listen to the questions that will be asked. They always go over them before they put the pressure on the cuff. Make sure you understand the question and what they want to know. Talk to the examiner honestly about any issues you are thinking about when you hear a question. Any decent examiner will rephrase the question or qualify it to try and focus on the issues they need to cover in the exam.

No one flunks on the machine. You either confess to something disqualifying before or after the questioning, or you show deception while on the machine. Whether you are being deceptive or there is something that a particular question is triggering in you mind, it pays to discuss that with the examiner.

If you convince the examiner that you are being honest and forthcoming, the exam won't be a problem. If the examiner thinks you are being dishonest, the only thing that can save you is at the quality control stage days if not weeks later when another examiner will rescore the charts.

The answers are YES or NO. Don't over think things. Relax. After enough polygraphs, the problem for some of us is staying awake during the test. [Coffee]

Be safe.

[asmo]

#1 - be honest
#2 - answer yes or no. don't get into explanations.
#3 - tell them to turn the heater off. (you will understand when you are in the chair).
#4 - breathe normally
#5 - have fun and enjoy it

[theGinsue]

+1 this ^^ and what cstone said.

CI, lifestyle, or both?

Relax & don't sweat it.

They play some mind games with you to make you on edge - don't let it get to you.

Definitely FOCUS but stay relaxed.

[buckshotbarlow]

I've completed 2 full scopes, man, DO NOT DRINK COFFEE 12hrs before those things or anything else that contains caffine. Both times I did mine, they had to go into a findings investigation which didn't reveal shizzle, but I came out of there looking like someone dumped water on me...[Coffee]

damn recycled coffee


Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.

[buckshotbarlow]

DON'T FART either, otherwise, you'll have to restart the whole damn thing...

[bigshane]

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[james_bond_007]

Interesting polygraph scene in the movie "The Recruit".

Watch it AFTER your test, but BEFORE you get the results...for maximum paranoia effect.
Lasts for DAYS...works on your mind even worse if you fail your test.[ROFL1]

Seriously, relax and be yourself...best of luck.

[ChadAmberg]

Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.


Just remember to imagine the interviewer naked...

[bigun1962]

You will be nervous. That is ok. If you lie or try to hide something you will passed over. Good luck.

[Gcompact30]

Don't panic when they ask you about animal question LMAO!!!!!, only say you was experimenting. LMAO. Relax you will be fine....

[Byte Stryke]

Tell the truth. believe its the truth and know in your mind that its went down EXACTLY like you tell it.
Do NOT hesitate or second guess yourself.

panic are you are hosed

[Aardvark]

Just remember to imagine the interviewer naked...

This could also be a problem: the last one I had was done by a 5'9" statuesque redhead with a Victoria's Secret body and deep v-cut blouse. Difficult to concentrate when her breasts were heaving...

[mevshooter]

This could also be a problem: the last one I had was done by a 5'9" statuesque redhead with a Victoria's Secret body and deep v-cut blouse. Difficult to concentrate when her breasts were heaving...

I would have answered those questions soooooooooo slowly...

"Those polygraphs normally take 20 minutes... why the heck were they in there for 3 hours?"

[Adawg38]

When they ask a question answer it...........don't pause like you are thinking of a BS answer. Idk I've never taken one. Hopefully they don't ask you if you've ever thought about sex with an under age girl because damnit she looked older while I was thinking about it until I got up close lol. J/K really.

[275RLTW]

I've taken that test...the answers are:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. No
6. Yes
7a. Yes
7b. No
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. No
11. No
12. No
13. Can you repeat the question?
13. No
14. Yes
15. No


The answers just repeat after that. I wrote them on my hand and refrenced them when ever I needed to. I guess it was open book ??

[Monky]

Just be honest. You're going to be nervous, and they're going to ask baseline questions... easy yes no.. your name is .. you were born in.. you love penis (don't screw that one up)..

Most places who do poly's are not looking for angels, we all have a past.. they're looking for HONESTY.

[kidicarus13]

I like the "have fun" comment. The polygraph is many things, but fun is not one of them.

[fairrpe86]

Like everybody has said they go over each question with you before hand so you already know what they will be asking you, and the answer. They do each set of questions twice to establish consistency. If you move too much or they feel like you are trying to mess with the results, they will make that set invalid and make you repeat the entire set of questions. Do not try to control your breathing or anything like that as they are able to tell when you are doing such things. Be honest, and as long as you don't have an unfavorable answer to any of their questions you will be fine.

[T-Giv]

I've only taken one and I was beyond nervous for it, but I did fine. I don't really have any type of past to speak of so I was fortunate in that aspect. The polygraph evaluator initially thought I was lying and trying to hide stuff but after running through the questions while hooked up he said he was confident I was telling the truth. Hired!

[asmo]

I like the "have fun" comment. The polygraph is many things, but fun is not one of them.

When you have done enough of them - they become a bit fun. Not that I ever look forward to mine every couple of years, but I no longer sweat them.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Big things:
1. Minimize your caffeine intake prior to the test.
2. Don't eat a big meal before the test.
3. Get a good night's sleep
4. Do things that improve your mood and state of mind the night before, whether it's watching a favorite (innocent) movie -- I'd stay away from spy thrillers and mysteries ;)
5. Don't look at the polygrapher as an enemy -- s/he has likely heard all kinds of garbage so isn't going to get excited when you admit to taking pens or paper from work or post-dating a check or performance review

[Gcompact30]

Thats a good one [ROFL1][ROFL1][Beer]


I've taken that test...the answers are:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. No
6. Yes
7a. Yes
7b. No
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. No
11. No
12. No
13. Can you repeat the question?
13. No
14. Yes
15. No


The answers just repeat after that. I wrote them on my hand and refrenced them when ever I needed to. I guess it was open book ??

[Gcompact30]

[Beer][Beer] I know you passed right????


Doing the whole background, physical, polygraph thing for a job position in a vault tomorrow.

Anyone have any tips for the polygraph? I don't have anything to hide, but I've never done anything like this before.

[buckeye4rnr]

I know you're not trying to cheat it so just read the bolded words.

http://sofrep.com/9806/are-fmri-machines-the-cias-unbeatable-ultimate-lie-detector-test/


Everyone knows about the polygraph. Funny enough, it was invented by William Moulton Marston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston) who was also the mind that came up with the DC Comics character Wonder Woman. Now you know why she carries her “lasso of truth”! But familiarity with the polygraph also means that plenty of people know how to defeat or otherwise spoof the system. You can squeeze your butt cheeks together creating tension in the body that will throw off the readings. A tack can be placed in the shoe and pressed down on during questioning. In theory, the polygraph examiner can ask you to remove your shoes and sit on a pad that will detect your deception techniques but it’s too easy to just bite your tongue…literally.


You can also spoof the system by being brutally honest when the tester asks his control questions. You see, he has to catch you in a lie so that he can establish what you baseline reading looks like and then differentiate between when you tell the truth and when you tell a lie. If you answer all the control questions correctly, the tester will get frustrated and keep trying to trip you up and ask questions that are embarrassing enough that you are compelled to lie.


Can you imagine sitting there rigged up to a polygraph getting two hours of control questions thrown at you while the tester tries to catch you in a lie?


“Have you ever had sexual relations with a man, a woman, another man, a rodeo clown, and a farm animal at the same time?”


“…yes.”

[mevshooter]

I honestly have no idea how I did. At one point she said "you're brainstorming on the theft questions, is there something you need to tell me?" and I was honestly just tired and trying to stay awake. I was really trying to make sure there wasn't anything in my past that I forgot about.

I was so nervous for it, that my blood pressure sky rocketed and I failed the physical exam. So my wife took my blood pressure when I got home, AFTER everything has calmed down, and its fantastic.

What. The. Hell.

I effing hate doctors offices.

I want to meet the genius who thought scheduling a physical right after a polygraph was a good idea.

[flan7211]

Sorry to hear that champ. Doctors suck and polygraphers suck worse.

[tonantius]

I thought polygraph tests for emplyment were illegal in Colorado.

[kidicarus13]

I thought polygraph tests for emplyment were illegal in Colorado.

From a legit website, not from memory...


Employers are generally prohibited from requiring or requesting any employee or job applicant to take a lie detector test, and from discharging, disciplining, or discriminating against an employee or prospective employee for refusing to take a test or for exercising other rights under the Act.


Federal, State and local governments are not affected by the law. Also, the law does not apply to tests given by the Federal Government to certain private individuals engaged in national security-related activities.


The Act permits polygraph (a kind of lie detector) tests to be administered in the private sector, subject to restrictions, to certain prospective employees of security service firms (armored car, alarm, and guard), and of pharmaceutical manufacturers, distributors and dispensers.


The Act also permits polygraph testing, subject to restrictions, of certain employees of private firms who are reasonably suspected of involvement in a workplace incident (theft, embezzlement, etc.) that resulted in economic loss to the employer. The law does not preempt any provision of any State or local law or any collective bargaining agreement which is more restrictive with respect to lie detector tests. Where polygraph tests are permitted, they are subject to numerous strict standards concerning the conduct and length of the test. Examinees have a number of specific rights, including the right to a written notice before testing, the right to refuse or discontinue a test, and the right not to have test results disclosed to unauthorized persons.

[asmo]

I thought polygraph tests for emplyment were illegal in Colorado.


In God we trust.. All others we polygraph.

Certain jobs still require polygraphs.

[BigBear]

IF you have nothing to hide. Think before answering, stay calm, be honest. Let them know this is first for you and you're a little intimidated. Just trying to do tricks/etc can score badly for you. Be yourself.

[flan7211]

Assholes armed with bunk science equipment can do a number on your life.

[buckshotbarlow]

How'd the poly go?

[kidicarus13]

I honestly have no idea how I did. At one point she said "you're brainstorming on the theft questions, is there something you need to tell me?" and I was honestly just tired and trying to stay awake. I was really trying to make sure there wasn't anything in my past that I forgot about.

I was so nervous for it, that my blood pressure sky rocketed and I failed the physical exam. So my wife took my blood pressure when I got home, AFTER everything has calmed down, and its fantastic.

What. The. Hell.

I effing hate doctors offices.

I want to meet the genius who thought scheduling a physical right after a polygraph was a good idea.


How'd the poly go?

[mevshooter]

haha, thanks.

I have my "back up" job starting on Tuesday, though. So I can't really be mad, it just looks like I have to put my degree on hold indefinitely because Metro offers squat for evening, weekend and online classes.

You know how many professors SWORE up and down that business were very flexible and "school friendly"? I call B.S. on that.

Oh well... I'm watching my beautiful baby girl eat her dinner, without a care in the world. Life goes on.


Perspective.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Oh well... I'm watching my beautiful baby girl eat her dinner, without a care in the world. Life goes on.


Perspective.

+500

[Aardvark]

At one point she said "you're brainstorming on the theft questions, is there something you need to tell me?" They will almost always pick a question and tell you something like this: it's a way to get you nervous, agitated or angry. They'll grab a handful of papers, walk out for a few minutes 'to review', leave you stewing, come back and throw a concern at you. All the while, you're on candid camera also. When they get back, they hope you're gonna say something new.

[kidicarus13]

A lot of good information included whether or not you have anything to hide.
http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m513/kidicarus13/51z4yfZlhmL_SX300_.jpg

[mevshooter]

At one point she said "you're brainstorming on the theft questions, is there something you need to tell me?" They will almost always pick a question and tell you something like this: it's a way to get you nervous, agitated or angry. They'll grab a handful of papers, walk out for a few minutes 'to review', leave you stewing, come back and throw a concern at you. All the while, you're on candid camera also. When they get back, they hope you're gonna say something new.

EFF!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!

Uuuuuugh... that makes me so mad! When she asked that I was saying in my head "I was thinking about how that wall is white, really, really white, what the heck does she mean by 'brainstorming?'"

[Flatline]

Assholes armed with bunk science equipment can do a number on your life.

Well, polygraphs can be useful in detecting anxiety (not lies, just anxiety... or more specifically sympathetic nervous system stimulation) in a person. The problems start when departments take a polygraph to be the lie detector given by the gods on mount Olympus and start to worship it above common sense.

[cstone]

That round is down range. Nothing to do about it now.

She didn't come right out and tell you that you flunked, because she doesn't know yet. As I said in an earlier post, despite how she scores the sheets, another examiner will run quality control on those sheets. Polygraphs aren't about the machine, they are about the interview. The box is a tool or a prop. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, depending on which school the examiner went to, they usually get a great deal of physiological training on autonomic responses of the human body. That said, polygraphers get good when they do a lot of interviews.

Within most police departments and HR offices, there are usually a few people who are known for getting results. It is because they do literally thousands of interviews. Practice really does make perfect.

There will be other opportunities, and as you said, perspective. Life is more about balance than it is getting what you want all the time. Live and learn. Learn and improve.

Be safe.

[mevshooter]

There will be other opportunities, and as you said, perspective. Life is more about balance than it is getting what you want all the time. Live and learn. Learn and improve.

Be safe.


Words of wisdom.

How many times in life has what I "wanted" been the completely WRONG thing for me? Too many.

[Bailey Guns]

Don't be too upset just yet. I took a polygraph for a job once...the examiner was a King-Sized A-Hole. He made me so angry that I literally wanted to beat his face into the desk. He told me how badly I'd done, that I was obviously being deceptive, that I was obviously trying to defeat the test, and so on. Then he did the leave-the-office thing and came back and abruptly ended the test. Told me to leave.

From there I had to go take the psych test (the old 800-odd question MMPI test that took about 3 hours). I called my wife and told her how badly the polygraph went and that I wasn't going to bother going for the psych test. She convinced me to go through with it so I wouldn't have to explain to another prospective employer why I didn't follow through with the process. So, I did. I took the test in a really foul mood and probably a very bad frame of mind.

I got the job.

The moral is, you never know. The polygraph is only one small piece of the package an employer looks at.

[asmo]

One of the jobs of the polygrapher is to get a little under your skin. Some of them take it a bit far.

Don't ever believe anything they say - and take it all as a game. Just smile and answer the questions.

[Great-Kazoo]

EFF!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!

Uuuuuugh... that makes me so mad! When she asked that I was saying in my head "I was thinking These are Not the Droids You're Looking For. the heck does she mean by 'brainstorming?'"

FIFY
The poly is just a head game where some people will abuse their position to screw with you. Others do it to see what gets a rise out of you.
Screw it,
IMHO.
Spending quality time with family is more important than a job. I've left jobs when the family was in need vs staying. Their loss.