Man accused of cutting in line killed

[SuperiorDG]

I don't know if these guys were legally carrying, but holy crap did they let this get out of hand. If they are CCW holders it will make us look real bad.


Updated: Friday, 17 Aug 2012, 12:04 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 17 Aug 2012, 11:51 AM EDT


Rachel West (rachel.west@wavy.com)

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) - Norfolk Police have released new information on a deadly shooting inside a local pharmacy Thursday afternoon.
Karen Parker-Chesson with the Norfolk Police Department said officers first received the call for a shooting inside the Rite Aid located in the 3600 block of Tidewater Drive at 2:05 p.m. Wednesday, officers released information that two men got into an argument inside the store and shot each other.
One of the men died.
Parker-Chesson has identified the victim as Ramon P. Colorado, Jr., 42, of Norfolk. Colorado was an outspoken Norfolk citizen who owned the Facebook page “Norfolk Dirt.” (http://www.facebook.com/NorfolkDirt) He described the page as “news for the common people.”
Colorado also frequented local protests and events held by activists and videotaped his experiences (http://www.youtube.com/user/NorfolkDirtVideo) .
According to police, Colorado approached the pharmacy counter in the Rite Aid and stood behind a customer. The suspect, identified as Bernell Duvall Benn, 41, of Norfolk was talking on a cell phone and accused Colorado of jumping ahead in line.
Both Colorado and Benn exchanged words, at which time Colorado sprayed Benn with pepper spray, Parker-Chesson said.
Benn then allegedly drew a handgun and fired it at Colorado. Colorado drew his own gun and returned fire, Parker-Chesson added. Both suffered gunshot wounds and were transported to Sentara Norfolk General Hospital.
Colorado, who suffered life-threatening injuries, was pronounced dead at the hospital. Benn suffered non-life threatening injuries and was treated and released.
Benn has been charged with murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He is being held without bond. WAVY.com found Benn's criminal record includes misdemeanor disorderly conduct and traffic violations.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

So the dude that got sprayed with pepper spray killed the guy that sprayed him, the sprayer only wounded the sprayee... Hmm.

[Tinelement]

Fn hot heads

[10mm-man]

Why was the guy who was sprayed charged I wonder? If you get sprayed you can't defend yourself as in pull your firearm? I mean the guy was armed, being aggressive by spraying him or is it because the other guy initiated it?

Let's play Defense/ prosecutor......

[akumadiavolo]

Why was the guy who was sprayed charged I wonder? If you get sprayed you can't defend yourself as in pull your firearm? I mean the guy was armed, being aggressive by spraying him or is it because the other guy initiated it?

In most places getting pepper sprayed would not be reason enough to pull a gun and shoot. At least not if you didn't see the gun first. For outside the home defense it requires the immediate threat of serious bodily injury or death. Usually pepper spray is used to avoid either of those.

[SideShow Bob]

Edit, my mistake.

[Great-Kazoo]

In most places getting pepper sprayed would not be reason enough to pull a gun and shoot. At least not if you didn't see the gun first. For outside the home defense it requires the immediate threat of serious bodily injury or death. Usually pepper spray is used to avoid either of those.


Lots of criminals use mace/ pepper spray to disable their victim, prior to assaulting them. I believe the guys past "record" was weighed against him. I'm concerned the misdemeanor charges might be a cause for denial in VA.

[SideShow Bob]

So the dude that got sprayed with pepper spray killed the guy that sprayed him, the sprayer only wounded the sprayee... Hmm.

[RCCrawler]

Let this be a lesson to all those that cut in line...[ROFL2]

[10mm-man]

In most places getting pepper sprayed would not be reason enough to pull a gun and shoot. At least not if you didn't see the gun first. For outside the home defense it requires the immediate threat of serious bodily injury or death. Usually pepper spray is used to avoid either of those.

O yea! I don't think that is a good validity to the situation.

1. Someone pepper sprays me; I am not gonna stand around and wait for what might be coming next. Especially if it is just because I am calling someone out for cutting.

Next....


Lots of criminals use mace/ pepper spray to disable their victim, prior to assaulting them. I believe the guys past "record" was weighed against him. I'm concerned the misdemeanor charges might be a cause for denial in VA.

Agreed!

[10mm-man]

Ok, that makes more sense! So the guy was the aggressor; sprayed the guy then once shot, shot and killed the other.... makes sense, I took it the other way....[Beer]

[Irving]

This is validation for everyone who accuses people of walking around with video cameras of purposely looking for trouble. This guy sure found trouble, and didn't survive.

[Irving]

Ok, that makes more sense! So the guy was the aggressor; sprayed the guy then once shot, shot and killed the other.... makes sense, I took it the other way....[Beer]

It is the other way. Pepper sprayer got killed.

[10mm-man]

It is the other way. Pepper sprayer got killed.

That is what i thought but someone said the other way.... So the pepper sprayer got killed but the other guy get's charged!?

[SideShow Bob]

Colorado cuts in line, Benn calls him on it, argument starts, Colorado sprays Benn, Benn draws first, both pull guns and shoot, both wounded, Colorado dies at hospital, Benn released from hospital and is arrested and charged.
Clear as mudd ?

[spqrzilla]

Depending on the details of witness accounts, this could go either way for Benn. I can see a scenario where its a good shoot and scenario where its a bad shoot.

Bizarre.

[Adawg38]

Can't even cut in line anymore without getting shot.

[Byte Stryke]

how would someone spraying someone with pepperspray NOT be considered assault?

There's a cop! Hold my Beer, I'm gonna go try this out....

[th3w01f]

Edited *Both had CCWs at one time but only Benn appears to have had a legal CCW at the time of the shooting*

"Colorado, 42, was a former Norfolk deputy sheriff and auxiliary deputy in Chesapeake who was known for his online persona "Norfolk Dirt.""

"Benn has a concealed handgun permit and has no criminal convictions, according to a 2009 renewal of his permit. Colorado had a concealed handgun permit in Norfolk, but a judge revoked it in September 2008 because of a voluntary commitment in Chesapeake, according to court records. Details about what prompted a Chesapeake judge to issue the commitment order were unavailable, and the District Court clerk's office said they are sealed.

Colorado was a Norfolk deputy sheriff from April 1994 to May 1996, when he was terminated, said Paula Miller, a Sheriff's Office spokeswoman. He later worked as an auxiliary deputy in Chesapeake. He was promoted to auxiliary sergeant in Chesapeake in 1998 and stayed with the office until 2008, according to a sheriff's spokesman and court records.

Colorado was known in online communities under his Twitter and Facebook handle "Norfolk Dirt."

Norfolk police arrested him on April 28 on an allegation that he was harassing a woman who coordinated an anti-sexual-assault rally called SlutWalk Norfolk. Colorado made a video of himself talking to women who participated in the march; the video, posted on YouTube, shows a Norfolk police officer telling him he is under arrest."

[th3w01f]

Benn's explanation sounds believable to me but not much to go on at this point.

"After he noticed another man had gotten in line in front him, Benn said he told the other man, "Excuse me, sir. I'm in line."

After the man became hostile, Benn said, "I moved out of the way and let him have the spot."

Benn said he continued talking to his mother when he was hit by pepper spray and heard the other man say, "I got more for you, bro."

After both men had drawn weapons, Benn said, he asked Colorado to put his gun down.

"I was scared for my life."

He was shot in the back and showed bandages covering the wound. After shooting Colorado, Benn said, he kicked Colorado's gun away to stop him from retrieving it."

[Ridge]

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[10mm-man]

After watching the interview it seems that maybe because he was able to get away then went back, this is why he is charged. Seems from him interview he was able to escape the attack, drew his gun then returned????

Of course did he have to continue to try and escape?

Interesting to see how it plays out... i say charges are dropped, anyone else?

[Zombie Steve]

Norfolk Dirt got a bunch of fellers kissin each other on his facebook page...

Who wants to take bets on hate crime charges?

[GilpinGuy]

After watching the interview it seems that maybe because he was able to get away then went back, this is why he is charged. Seems from him interview he was able to escape the attack, drew his gun then returned????

Of course did he have to continue to try and escape?

Interesting to see how it plays out... i say charges are dropped, anyone else?

Interesting. He went back. If he claims that he thought the guy was deranged and going on a shooting spree and that's why he went back, maybe he'd get off. Doubtful though.

[Wiggity]

This shit is a downright embarrassment to gun owners

[10mm-man]

Interesting. He went back. If he claims that he thought the guy was deranged and going on a shooting spree and that's why he went back, maybe he'd get off. Doubtful though.

Not sure it can be said; he went back but in the interview he said he was sitting in an isle away from the guy and the guy kept saying were are you, I have some more for you. He said he pulled his gun then looked around the corner to see Colorado had drew what his.??

Guess we need some witness accounts to know the full story...