Suggestions for new Plate carrier..

[NightCat]

Looking to get some idea's as to plate carriers.

I'm tired of the Military IBA I run now and its just garbage...so I'm looking at other options but for personal use and potentially downrange use.

Mayflower Assault Plate Carrier is sticking out to be, appears to be fair priced and high quality...

the HSGI Weesatch has also caught my eye as I used to wear one of these...

Anyone have preferences, suggestions, information, companies to avoid?

[NightCat]

Options:
Mayflower APC
http://www.skdtac.com/Mayflower-Assault-Plate-Carrier-APC-p/mfr.512.htm

Tactical Tailor L.P.A.C. Low Profile Armor Carrier
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=20394&tabid=1&catid=2776

T.A.G Plate Carrier ( on the cheaper side though)
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=20466&tabid=1&catid=2776

Others within similar price range?

[TriggerHappy]

Crye precision. JPC

[NightCat]

Crye is a little out of my range at $1300..

Looking at London Bridge Modular PC.
http://lbtinc.com/vest-h-gear-carriers/plate-carriers/modular-medium-plate-carrier-2.html

[TriggerHappy]

Jpc is under $300. Unless you are looking for all new plates and backers as well.

[TriggerHappy]

$248

http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-BLC04202LG0/Jumpable-Plate-Carrier™-(jpc)

[Batteriesnare]

Just got the Tyr GPC and love it, under $300!

[Batteriesnare]

http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/details/ballistic-vest-plate-carriers/general-plate-carrier-gpc/

[zteknik]

Depending on your needs and how much are you going to load on it.
I personaly like the TT low pro myself.

[275RLTW]

A lot of guys on my team wore the LBC carrier and loved it. A bit bulky for low pro but very comfortable and good manuverability while wearing it. I had a Crye JPC on order, may still reorder one. I run my TT carrier alot just because it's the bare minimum and keeps me from loading it too much.

[asmo]

The Mayflower Low Profile Assault Carrier is won-der-ful. Very comfy - and is really well made. That said - their customer service, right now, sucks dead monkey balls. They are totally slammed and will not even answer their phones or respond to email. The only way to get a response right now is to shame them on Facebook.

I was actually at their physical location in Sterling, VA last week and tried to get a quick second from them so that I could try on a different size (been loosing weight) - no dice.

[sellersm]

Interested in following this as I'm in the market as well.

[NightCat]

$248

http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-BLC04202LG0/Jumpable-Plate-Carrier™-(jpc)


OOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!! THAT ONE!!

Yea, I did look at it and I'm not a fan of the over all design. Thanks for the suggestion though!!



http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/details/ballistic-vest-plate-carriers/general-plate-carrier-gpc/
I think I've found my guy right here!!! I'm putting this to the top of the list!

I plan to run a fairly heavy load out, Mostly ammunition.
9 x 30rd AR Mag
6 x 17rnd M&P Mag
Admin Pouch
Hydration Carrier
Gloves (on D-Ring)
Hard Plates
Random small pouches for Flashlights, cell phone, etc..

Is the basic load out..

[Mick-Boy]

For plate carriers I'd put in another vote for the Mayflower LPAC.



I plan to run a fairly heavy load out, Mostly ammunition.
9 x 30rd AR Mag
6 x 17rnd M&P Mag
Admin Pouch
Hydration Carrier
Gloves (on D-Ring)
Hard Plates
Random small pouches for Flashlights, cell phone, etc..

Is the basic load out..


I'd dump at least 4 of those pistol mags and 4-5 of the rifle mags then add a blowout kit.

Right now you're carrying about 12lbs of ammo. You could cut that in half pretty easy.

[NightCat]

For plate carriers I'd put in another vote for the Mayflower LPAC.



I'd dump at least 4 of those pistol mags and 4-5 of the rifle mags then add a blowout kit.

Right now you're carrying about 12lbs of ammo. You could cut that in half pretty easy.

Blow out kit?

[cofi]

ifak individual first aid kit....talk to cmallard he posts on our forums and will get you sorted out

[NightCat]

ifak individual first aid kit....talk to cmallard he posts on our forums and will get you sorted out

I was looking for a good comprehensive First Aid Kit...I saw one that was an awesome kit in one of the Weapons Magazines a while back but I cant remember the company now...but it was super complete and had almost everything for a battle trauma wound..

Any suggestions for Trauma kits?

As well as for Plates? I have some E-SAPI Lvl. 4 plates right now that are issued to me, but I want my own for personal use and perhaps some over sea's work with a private contractor..

The AR500 plates are really catching my eye but Im not sure how I feel about steel construction as opposed to the Ceramic Honeycomb SAPI and E-SAPI Plates.

Anyone have any positive or negative feedback about the AR500 plates?

I see they're VERY inexpensive by comparison to the traditional Ceramic SAPI/E-SAPI Plate.

Also hearing they'll defeat a .308.... 7.62 x 54...

[asmo]

AR500 or any steel plates are nice - except they are 1) HEAVY and 2) a bit uncomfortable unless you can find someone that will do double curved plates.

[TriggerHappy]

I was looking for a good comprehensive First Aid Kit...I saw one that was an awesome kit in one of the Weapons Magazines a while back but I cant remember the company now...but it was super complete and had almost everything for a battle trauma wound..

Any suggestions for Trauma kits?


Get with Cmillard, better yet take his class and build your own kit.

[NightCat]

Get with Cmillard, better yet take his class and build your own kit.

I'll be sure to get with him...I was looking at a few options the other day..

http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/01269/k-tactical/-IFAK-(Individual-First-Aid-Kit)----------------

and

http://www.tacmedsolutions.com/store/Products_Detail.php?ProductID=56

They all appear to be somewhat the same contents though and the difference is in the pouch style..


I saw an awesome one on SKD Tac but they're as usual....Out of stock.

SKD are almost as bad as BCM >_<

[NightCat]

I'm pretty set on the TYR Tactical GPC...the cost is right, the comfort looks right, and I like the Kangaroo style pouches similar to my old HSGI Weesatch.

http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/details/ballistic-vest-plate-carriers/general-plate-carrier-gpc/

Only issue I'm running into now is, it appears as though the AR500 plates will be too big for the carrier....

I just shot TYR Tactical an E-Mail so hopefully I'll hear back from them soon and I can go ahead and get this new carrier.

I'll post up a review on it once I get it.

[Mick-Boy]

I'm going to be away from the computer for the next week so I'll try to get some thoughts down now. Sorry if they are a little "stream-of-consciousness".

Regarding plates - Steel plates are thin, cheap and solid (don't have to be x-rayed). They are also heavy, uncomfortable and you run the risk of spalling. Assess the threat in the AO you're going to wear the plates in and armor up accordingly. Based on where I've been working, I use the Velocity Systems special threat plates. They run about $1K each but they're light, thin and stop everything I'm likely to bump into short of a 12.7mm.

Regarding IFAKs - I like the Blue Force Gear "Trauma Kit Now" for a pouch. I buy them empty and stock them as I see fit. My biggest concern in stocking a blowout kit is to supply myself with items that are not easily field expedient. I can make a TQ or a pressure dressing pretty easily out of day to day items (that doesn't stop me from carrying two TQs on my person when I'm at work but it's true). Hemostatic agents, 14ga needles, and NPAs aren't so easy. Therefore that's what I focus on when I'm stocking an IFAK.

Regarding loadouts - I think I've got 21 trips down range by now (yep, I said 21..). Aside from one incident in Lutafiyia, Iraq in 2004 I've never run through more than 4 magazines without gaining access to a go-bag or a vehicle with additional ammo. Most rifle classes require 5 magazines. Between those two facts (the first admittedly anecdotal), I don't carry more than 5 rifle magazines on my body (4 on my vest, one on my belt). I carry 2 pistol mags on my belt with my pistol. If I have to go to my pistol, at work or at home, things are sideways in a bad way. I don't see a need to carry a full combat load for my secondary/defensive weapon.

As with anything, the key is understanding *your* needs and planning accordingly. Use your best judgement and hope the war-gods smile on you if you have to use your tools. Semper Fi (or Sua Sponte for you scroll wearing homos). [Beer]

[NightCat]

Thanks for the good info Mick!!

I agree it'll be highly dependent on the AO as to what exactly I'll need on my load out.

However, being on of those Sua Sponte saying "homo's" lol...I believe in carrying ammunition...lots of it.

Most mission essentials consist of, Ammunition, Dump Bag, Hydration, and Medical.

Everything else is secondary, including comfort.

Given, I understand your concern with the weight and ability to source fresh ammunition and the potential loss in mobility. However, I can train around the plate carrier and the load out. Find ways to stack ammunition and maneuver around it.

As long as I dont have to worry about being out in the shit and having no other support than my fellow soldiers or contractors and running out of ammo.

21 times down range is a hell of a lot my man...props to you. I've only done 3, 2 to Iraq for 12-14 months and 1 to Afghanistan for 6-8months.

A lot of the times due to my particular units SOP and lack of additional support, we tend to load up about 6-8 mags primary weapon and 3-5 tertiary.

We tend to find ourselves shooting our way out of places because where we go, we cant let people know we're there and thus have no way to source additional ammunition or source a ride home.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Perhaps I'll find the situation completely different in the private world...however I'm in no position to say what its like so far...Ive been told its complete night and day.

I'm out processing and have some time before my packet goes through and I've been talking to a few companies already about employing me on as Security Personal... cant argue with the pay.

I just want to make sure that the USGI gear I was issued that has to get turned in gets replaced with better gear for when I find myself in the same places as I have been but without the support of Uncle Sam's Fast movers and Arty.

Still appreciate the info for sure!

I'm going to talk to some of the operators and see what they carry in there IFAK's and maybe get some idea's. TQ and Israeli bandage is a must..

[Mick-Boy]

We tend to find ourselves shooting our way out of places because where we go, we cant let people know we're there and thus have no way to source additional ammunition or source a ride home.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Perhaps I'll find the situation completely different in the private world...however I'm in no position to say what its like so far...Ive been told its complete night and day.
.........
I just want to make sure that the USGI gear I was issued that has to get turned in gets replaced with better gear for when I find myself in the same places as I have been but without the support of Uncle Sam's Fast movers and Arty.



It all depends on the gig man. Some jobs might see you out and about in the same neighborhoods you were in before doing the lord's work. Other jobs will see you puttering around, holding the hand of some REMF who's terrified just to be on the ground in (Insert CENTCOM AO country here). Your background, your contacts, and how lucky you are in your timing will all factor in to what kind of job you end up doing. But marketing yourself in the military contractor world is a whole different thread.

Just know that the good ones are REALLY good. [Muaha]

[cofi]

lots of good info on this thread ive been looking for a plate carrier for xl plates and it looks like that mayflower is gonna fit the bill nice

[275RLTW]

I was looking for a good comprehensive First Aid Kit...I saw one that was an awesome kit in one of the Weapons Magazines a while back but I cant remember the company now...but it was super complete and had almost everything for a battle trauma wound..

Any suggestions for Trauma kits?

You're better off building your own as most of the pre-packaged ones are put together by someone behind a desk, not behind a trigger. You should be up on your TCCC skills from RGT. Several TQs, Israelis, combat gauze, chest seals, duct tape, 14 ga chest dart, NPA, & a few other items should be sufficient. I'm sure you have a few extra of these items laying around...

As well as for Plates? I have some E-SAPI Lvl. 4 plates right now that are issued to me, but I want my own for personal use and perhaps some over sea's work with a private contractor..

Flying with plates is tricky right now (has been for me) with every grubby hadji at each customs station finger f*cking your gear. Let your company pay for and get you plates & you just ship your rig when you get an address.

The AR500 plates are really catching my eye but Im not sure how I feel about steel construction as opposed to the Ceramic Honeycomb SAPI and E-SAPI Plates.

Anyone have any positive or negative feedback about the AR500 plates?

Heavy. They work but again, heavy. I would be concerned about spalling as Mick mentioned. The thinner profile is nice for low pro work.

I see they're VERY inexpensive by comparison to the traditional Ceramic SAPI/E-SAPI Plate.

Also hearing they'll defeat a .308.... 7.62 x 54...


<2> RLTW!

[Hoser]

Semper Fi (or Sua Sponte for you scroll wearing homos).

That is some funny shit.

[NightCat]

Thanks for the info everybody, Suppose I'm too new to the contract side of things...Im just hoping to not be unprepared.

@ ColoCCW - Never have more true of words been spoken... "put together by someone behind a desk, not behind a trigger"

I do have a pretty good stash of med supplies. I was just trying to make sure that there wasnt something I forgot and figured the kits would be a good place to at least look at to get an idea of what I didnt have. And also the quantity of what I should have.

@ Mick - You sound like you have some time downrange as a PMC...

Regardless, It's looking like the GPC is going to the carrier for me.. I'm also tempted however to go back to a Weesatch....gaint kangaroo pocket for big ammo load out..

Does anyone here run a GPC and have pics of there set-up? Looks like its a 3 mag set-up in the front, but I'm wondering how far out I can go with that...

I'm going to go with at least 6 mags Im thinking, not the original 9 I was planning on... Just trying to get a feel on how I'm going to set it up...I'm basically making a whole new kit.

[275RLTW]

That is some funny shit.

He's just mad that we get to the fight first! No point in riding in a vehicle when Hoser can give us a ride and we just jump/fall out...http://www.emofaces.com/png/15/emoticons/parachute.png

<2> RLTW!

[02ducky]

Somebody please remind me what "spalling" is again?

Great threat by the way! Update with pics please.

[275RLTW]

Somebody please remind me what "spalling" is again?


When a bullet impacts something and causes chips or fragments to break off the back side and become projectiles. Not a good thing when it's right against your chest or the glass in your windshield.

[NightCat]

What he said... ^^^

Making smaller projectiles out of larger projectiles.

SAPI and E-SAPI are designed to absorb the energy and dissipate it over a larger surface area.

100psi over 1" hurts more than 100psi over 8"....

by absorbing the energy of the round they are able to defeat rounds.

While the steel plates are more so designed to repel rounds or disintegrate rounds upon impact...not containing the shot to a larger area, but taking the round to a smaller concentrated area but by destroying the projectile dissipating its energy...however the fragments tend to fly in every which what direction.

Watch the video's that they put out for the AR500 plates...the actual Plate carrier gets destroyed but the plate maintains its integrity..

Then watch video's of SAPI/E-SAPI plates taking hits, less damage to the actual carrier because it doesnt shoot fragments everywhere..

Either way....it sucks to get shot regardless of what you're wearing.. SAPI/E-SAPI just has a lesser chance of causing a secondary injury.

[cofi]

ive been hit and cut bad by spall at 100 yards away i could only imagine how bad it would suck at chest distance

[SuperiorDG]

ive been hit and cut bad by spall at 100 yards away i could only imagine how bad it would suck at chest distance

I've hit at 20yds, I didn't think 100 would be possible.

[Mick-Boy]

@ Mick - You sound like you have some time downrange as a PMC...


A few years now. On most projects you'll have a hard time bringing your kit in. I'll get a PM out to you in a bit with more detail.



He's just mad that we get to the fight first! No point in riding in a vehicle when Hoser can give us a ride and we just jump/fall out...http://www.emofaces.com/png/15/emoticons/parachute.png

That's a bit true. I didn't get into the fight until '03. I missed out on 18 perfectly good months of shooting bad smelly men. [Rant1]

[Mick-Boy]

If you haven't ordered yet, I just got an email from TYR offering 15% off with the discount code: LABORDAY

Just FYI

[cofi]

If you haven't ordered yet, I just got an email from TYR offering 15% off with the discount code: LABORDAY

Just FYI

mick you like the tyr over the mayflower? im hopefully ordering this weekend

[Mick-Boy]

I like Mayflower myself but since Nightcat seemed set on the Tyr I figured I'd pass the info along.

[cofi]

well i pulled the trigger on a mayflower! ill post up a review in a new thread when it comes in!!!

[NightCat]

well i pulled the trigger on a mayflower! ill post up a review in a new thread when it comes in!!!

Good stuff man!!

Look forward to reading it!

My bills have been killing me...Haven't been able to order my TYR >_<

[Mick-Boy]

Nightcat,

If you need one for a deployment I've got a Paraclete SOHPC (L) and a Mayflower APC (L) in the closet at home you can borrow. The caveats would be that I want it back and you're not allowed to get good-guy blood on it.

[NightCat]

Thanks Mick! I'll keep that in mind!

Funds have taken a shit on me....divorce is a mother fucker man...

Long story short, I'm ending up paying off the Ex-Wife's student loans cause she maxed out my GI Bill while I was away...and now I have them calling me >_<

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWKKKK

[275RLTW]

Get the armor, lose the wife.... One can save you life, the other will drain it.

[NightCat]

If you haven't ordered yet, I just got an email from TYR offering 15% off with the discount code: LABORDAY

Just FYI

I love how I just saw this haha.

Was it just a 1 day thing for the holiday?

EDIT: Looks like it ran through Sep. 5.

>_<

Bah.

[denverco]

PIG plate carrier. Used it all year.

[NightCat]

Well guys!

I Finally pulled the trigger on my new carrier,

TYR General Purpose Carrier.

Adjustable Shoulders
• Shoulder Pads
• Removable Side Buckle Kit
• When wearing exterior cummerbund
• Front Kangaroo Pocket/Flap with triple 5.56 Mag Insert
• Front Flap is also removable and can be replaced with a 7.62 Kangaroo Pocket/Flap
• TYR’s PV® material which is 7-10 times more abrasion resistant than standard Mil Spec 500d nylon
• External cummerbund easily adjusts with Velcro® to fit a wide range of body types and sizes
• External cummerbund comes with a 5” x 10” pocket to accommodate optional soft armor inserts
• External cummerbund provides location for optional side plate pocket to be added
• Wt: 2 lbs. 13 oz. with cummerbunds
http://www.tyrtactical.com/_ui/images/products/GPC_2992.jpg
http://www.tyrtactical.com/_ui/images/products/GPC_2994.jpg
http://www.tyrtactical.com/_ui/images/products/GPC_3005.jpg
Images Courtesy of TYR Tactical.

[NightCat]

Fucking back ordered.....21-30 BUSINESS days...Cancelled my order..

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544787_10152254278035217_1766997189_n.jpg

probably going to request A Refund and look more at the Mayflower

Back to the search...Looking at;

Mayflower APC
Blue Force Gear LMAC
and the PIG Plate Carrier ( a bit close to the top of the budget)

Also found the Shellback Tactical Banshee Rifle Plate Carrier, which appears to be extremely well priced, anyone have issues with this carrier? or heard good or bad things about it?

Any input on these three?

I know Mick is a big fan of the APC..

[NightCat]

Well CO AR-15....need your help again....

Thoughts between the 4 listed above?

Or any suggestions on the TAG plate carriers? they appear to make a lot of very inexpensive carriers.


EDIT:
What carrier is this?
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7416/1001384eg.jpg
CIRAS?

[cofi]

my mayflower has been ok so far....its comfortable as hell but with my xl sapi plates there is no room for soft armor inserts so i have to wear a vest underneath(which sucks) and the cumberbund accepts 6x6" side plates which are just about impossible to find since the .gov uses 8x7"

[asmo]

If your in the DTC/Highlands Ranch/Parker/Castle Rock area - I am home this week and your welcome to try fitting on my Mayflower LPAAC with steel (VS PULV) inserts and removable soft armor. Super comfortable and works for my threat level.

But if your bitching about having to wait 30 days for a plate carrier then I wouldn't be looking at Mayflower. You are probably 60 days out on anything they have.

[SuperiorDG]

If your in the DTC/Highlands Ranch/Parker/Castle Rock area - I am home this week and your welcome to try fitting on my Mayflower LPAAC with steel (VS PULV) inserts and removable soft armor. Super comfortable and works for my threat level.

But if your bitching about having to wait 30 days for a plate carrier then I wouldn't be looking at Mayflower. You are probably 60 days out on anything they have.

They are nice and it looks like OpTactical has them in stock. http://www.optactical.com/maloasarca20.html

If this doesn't work and you are looking at Mayflower I might have a inside contact for you if you pm me. This is for Military guys about to deploy only.

[NightCat]

SKD appear to have the APC - "If you can add it to cart, it's in stock"

I'm still pretty set on the TYR, the design is right,the padding appears to be a feature a lot of other carriers dont have, as well as the moisture wicking.

I'm thinking if I were to get a Mayflower I'd run a Medium, I know at my heaviest weight I was about 170-175lbs. 32-34" Chest, and 5' 11"

These days after sitting on Reserve duty for a while, its more like 145lbs & 32".

Medium with small cumberbund?

[cofi]

But if your bitching about having to wait 30 days for a plate carrier then I wouldn't be looking at Mayflower. You are probably 60 days out on anything they have.


they got me mine in like 4 days

[NightCat]

Well, I shot out a few e-mails to TYR last night...I'm gonna see what sort of response I get back before I go too far into another set-up.

Was gonna run a pretty simple rig..
TYR GPC
IIIA Plates
4 PMAG
3 M&P Mag
IFAK
Admin
Hydration

The end..So, one extra single rifle mag off to my left, I have a bunch of old Blackwater Gear Pistol pouches I had from downrange, was gonna run 3 or 4 of those across the front.
IFAK to my right,
Admin up front w/ the usual
Hydration...why, because y'all know how it gets at 6000'

[NightCat]

...Kinda surprised I haven't received an e-mail back from TYR yet...

[Mick-Boy]

Check out Marz tactical (http://www.refactortactical.com/plate-carriers-s/1815.htm). We've been using them as student gear for our vettings and requals and they seem really solid.

[NightCat]

Still no reply from TYR.. Not very happy with the customer service..

Just asking about if they Had the model above the gpc in stock and I'd pay the difference.. No response at all.. Sent it yesterday...

[NightCat]

3 days later and no response at all, Sent an additional e-mail to the general account, Info@TYRTactical.com

If I dont get any response with in the next 24-48 hours I'm going to try and call the phone number listed on the site...if I still get nothing Im just going to call my bank and have them pull the charge.

This is bullshit...

No mention of any stocking issues prior to order, no mention if this is some standard wait period, of 21-30 business days...so like 2 months in reality.

No reply to either of the e-mails sent to their employee after 3 business days.

I'm about to say fuck these guys all together, not over the product, but over the absolute lack of service.

I ordered some gloves from US Elite not too long ago, got an e-mail from Gina @ US Elite about the back order, she quickly provided options, I replied with what option I wanted, and heard back from her already. All of this within a 24 hr period..

How is it that TYR gets off with this ridiculous absurd lack of service..

*/end rant/*

[cofi]

still nothing from them?

[NightCat]

I heard from them about 3-4 days after the first E-Mail to them.

They quickly apologized and expedited my order to 14 business days..I just received my GPC in the mail today, just opened the box a few minutes ago, got off work late...

But here she is!!

I'll get some more detailed pics and information on it later..Im tired...long ass day.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/46531_10152295762970217_1716999716_n.jpg

[NightCat]

Dont really have the time to do a full blown review right now, but from my experience running and gunning for about 4 hours the other day...this thing is extremely comfortable, I didn't realize the weight at all..didnt sweat a whole lot either.

Extremely well done carrier...Expert a full review with lots of pics to come.

[coloradoglock]

I have tried several different ones and purchased and used four different carriers. I finally found a local guy who makes semi-custom plate carriers. I went with the Battleline Industries ARCC plate carrier. It is very versatile and the best quick release on the market. They use a parachute cutaway system and it works like a charm. It also has lots of real-estate to mount any pouches on. It even has four rows on the bottom when most only have three rows. So for my 2 cents I would look at the Battleline ARCC for the best all around carrier.

[Mick-Boy]

You didn't really read the thread did you. [Coffee]

[NightCat]

I saw no need to start a new thread so...

I'm looking for suggestions on some pouches for my TYR GPC.

Looking for pistol mag pouches that will accommodate both M&P and Glock Mags, and something more reasonable priced than HSGI Taco's.

Also looking for a hydration carrier, probably 1.5L bladder capable.

debating on running a dump pouch for training or time at the range, heard good things about the Maxpedition.

Thoughts?

If anyone knows where I can find a TAD Triple Kangaroo Pouch in Coyote that be sweet too! cause that take care of most of my issues there.

Just delete my OE Internal mag pouches and just run that.

[Batteriesnare]

I run one of the Blue Force Gear HSP's on the front of the kangaroo pouches on my GPC. It works for pistol mags, and it's nice to be able to add three rifle mags when I choose, and have the front of the carrier flat when I don't want them.

But in all reality I love the tacos on my belt. You could also look into the fast mag pistol carriers, but I don't think you'll save much money that way.

[NightCat]

I run one of the Blue Force Gear HSP's on the front of the kangaroo pouches on my GPC. It works for pistol mags, and it's nice to be able to add three rifle mags when I choose, and have the front of the carrier flat when I don't want them.

But in all reality I love the tacos on my belt. You could also look into the fast mag pistol carriers, but I don't think you'll save much money that way.

Have any pics of your set-up?

I'm not a fan of the Whisp BFG stuff...easily damaged.

[Batteriesnare]

Have any pics of your set-up?

I'm not a fan of the Whisp BFG stuff...easily damaged.

I'll take one tomorrow.

[Mick-Boy]

I'm not a fan of the Whisp BFG stuff...easily damaged.

I disagree. I've been using frag(x4), smoke (x2) and 148/152 (x2) pouches with the Helium Whisper attachment for about a year (translates to about six months in country, give or take) and they're holding up well.

I will say that they will be more easily damaged than 1000D codura. But it's a weight trade off. Needing to replace a pouch every 18/24 months to have something that's half the weight is definitely worth it to me. Ounces equal pounds and all that.

For the dump pouch and camel back, I think First Spear knocked it out of the park with this Dumper (http://www.first-spear.com/product.php?productid=17553&cat=252&page=5) and their hydration carrier (http://www.first-spear.com/product.php?productid=17637&cat=252&page=6) looks pretty slick too. I'm still toting a prototype Eagle Yote out of the dark ages. ;)

[Joe_K]

The PIG Plate Carrier from SKD. I ran this setup for 7 months in Afghanistan with ZERO Issues. Most comfortable Plate carrier I have ever worn hands down. I recently upgraded to a First Spear Tubes Cummerbund which makes life eaiser donning and doffing but isnt neccessary for normal use. The air channel on the back definitly helps keep your back cool in +100 degree weather, and puts the load were you want it NOT on your spine.

Heres the Link: http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-Plate-Carrier-p/pig.502.htm

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[asmo]

I recently upgraded to a First Spear Tubes Cummerbund which makes life eaiser donning and doffing but isnt neccessary for normal use.

Now that looks interesting. What put you that direction? Have you actually worn it in the field?

[NightCat]

I keep seeing people rant and rave about the PIG.

Interesting design and I do like the interchangeability of the detachable chest rig or not as whatnot..

My TYR does pretty well in the heat. It breathes very well.

Glad you're happy with your PIG. I am absolutely looking into Different cummerbunds which can receive soft armor as well as some HSGI Shoulder pads or some other flavor of shoulder pad, the TYR pads are decent, but could be more comfortable and wider.

[denverco]

PIG was my afg rig. Loved that thing. Multiple c-bun options. Soft armor compatible.

[Joe_K]

mainly because i run 4 mags upside down in ITW Fast Mag pouches on my front and I wanted a donning/doffing setup that didn't require me to unvelco my front flap(S). ( BTW Upside down front mounted mags are awesome) Im off of active duty so I don't go to the field anymore. But judging from the past 4 days and how its been holding up and the quality of the stitching/ fabric I def. wear it on deployment. Its somewhat pricey tho. I paid close to $160 with shipping.

[Joe_K]

Ares Armor Aspis is another excellent choice.