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10mm-man

08-19-2012, 19:00

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august192012/marine-fakcebook-arrest-t.php

U.S. Marine Arrested for Facebook Posts

Tim King Salem-News.com
Feds retaliate against another critic of the U.S. government.

Brandon Raub is a decorated Iraq and Afghanistan War Vet. Photo courtesy: United Truth Seekers

(SALEM / RICHMOND) - A decorated U.S. Marine who served his nation in two wars, Brandon Raub, of Richmond Virginia, was arrested for airing his critical views of the U.S. government on Facebook this weekend. We just reported yesterday that a Human Rights activist in Bahrain is being prosecuted for six Twitter messages. Politically, this country is increasingly resembling Bahrain and other nations that arrest those who speak out critically over federal policy.

His mother, Kathleen Thomas, says it is another case of the word 'terrorist' being applied to arrest and detain a citizen. You can hear the pride she feels for her son when she explains what he has been through, and by all counts Ms. Thomas makes her points loud and clear.

The law enforcement officials rolled up to the man's home around 7:00 last night. "He was there, the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield Police showed up in a storm," she said.

Thomas says her son was questioned about why he was writing certain comments, "He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us'".

"He was handcuffed, not read his rights, put into a Chesterfield Police Department vehicle and taken to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Virginia," Thomas said.

Agent Sherry Grainger with the Federal Bureau of Investigation called Kathleen Thomas, who described the conversation.

She said, "I am with the FBI" and "We have taken your son. He has been arrested by the Chesterfield County Police Dept because he assaulted an officer and resisted arrest. He has been arrested and taken to the Chesterfield Police Department."

bogie

08-19-2012, 19:18

I don't get why the feds were after him. Is some of the story missing?

Aloha_Shooter

08-19-2012, 19:25

I'm sure there's more to the story. I can't imagine them doing this unless he was revealing classified information in his Facebook posts.

jerrymrc

08-19-2012, 19:37

I don't get why the feds were after him. Is some of the story missing?

It is not. Post bad things even if they may be true online and go to jail. And some around here want to bash the mods when we shut a thread down and bury it.

This is nothing new. been going on for decades. Just the forum has changed. The old folks here get it. Many under 40-45 may not. Nothing against them but just the way it is.

I can explain it but would rather not.

10mm-man

08-19-2012, 19:37

I don't get why the feds were after him. Is some of the story missing?

Click the link

I'm sure there's more to the story. I can't imagine them doing this unless he was revealing classified information in his Facebook posts.

Go look at his page.. Clearly says why they took him in the article. Google his name and read...

Bailey Guns

08-19-2012, 19:40

bogie

08-19-2012, 19:46

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/18/dtom-contributor-brandon-raub-arrested-by-fbi-for-facebook-posts/

What he wrote on Facebook:
The Truth
America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism.
The federal reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of gread and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.
We have allowed ourselves to be devieced and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The federal reserve is artificially manipulating interests rates and creating phony economic data. This thing has decieved our entire nation.
They created it 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.
There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the feedoms of other people.
I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.
There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.
Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of goverment.
Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.
We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts. They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.
This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.
These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.
They are controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in rags.
The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.
Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are loosing their limbs. They are loosing their lives. They are loosing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.
They have done some extroadinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They decieved our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!
September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.
Your leaders betrayed you.
You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.
These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate facism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.
There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.

I dunno could be BS...

Bailey Guns

08-19-2012, 19:51

If that's all he wrote (color me skeptical) then guys like Alex Jones should be on death row. Sounds a lot like AJ, as a matter of fact.

10mm-man

08-19-2012, 19:52

There's plenty more to the story than what we're reading. And they way they're making a big deal out of "no one read him his rights" is a clue to me the family is trying to build their case against against the government on emotion rather than facts.

Except the Gov statement of ; he's not under arrest?? Hum if he's not under arrest then no rights read? Maybe?

10mm-man

08-19-2012, 19:54

If that's all he wrote (color me skeptical) then guys like Alex Jones should be on death row. Sounds a lot like AJ, as a matter of fact.

Except the Gov admits that the post were "terrorist" in nature because he wrote about the corrupt Gov and he called for the arrest of Gov officials.... They said his post were why he was sent for a psychological evaluation. Not under arrest they said.... Yet he is in cuffs and locked up??

bogie

08-19-2012, 19:55

If that is what he wrote, the only thing that I don't get is the truther stuff. Why would you enlist if you believed that rubbish? As for the rest, I guess the truth hurts.

stevelkinevil

08-19-2012, 20:02

SideShow Bob

08-19-2012, 20:06

If you are active duty, you have no first amendment rights, among others......[Bang]

10mm-man

08-19-2012, 20:07

welcome my friends, to 1984. Believe it or dont, its still happening. "it couldn't happen here" the battle cry of the subject.

Frankly I don't care what he said, that is a right guaranteed us by those who wore that uniform before him.

He called for a second revolution and said he was going to lead it.... Said he was waiting to be picked up. Guess he got picked up!

Bailey Guns

08-19-2012, 20:15

A couple of points:

We don't know that other posts weren't removed from his FB page.
Just because you're arrested doesn't mean the police have to read your rights to you. That generally applies to custodial interrogation.
1A rights are not absolute.
If he was taken in on a psych hold he isn't under arrest.

Personally, it sounds like he has some serious issues and may need some help.

10mm-man

08-19-2012, 20:36

BushMasterBoy

08-19-2012, 20:40

According to this article, we may not find out until Monday anymore information.

http://www.businessinsider.com/brandon-raub-marine-911-detained-2012-8

Virginia Involuntary Temporary Detention Law

http://law.justia.com/codes/virginia/2006/toc3702000/37.2-809.html

US Law

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/2385.html

Obama promised transparency in government, so maybe they will publish the reason for his detainment. Claiming mental illness for dissenting with the .gov is just one method of suppressing unrest. I'm sure the Romney group will make sure this is all being done legally. We will have to wait & see...

BushMasterBoy

08-20-2012, 11:36

I guess this former Marine is learning the hard way about facebook, the .gov and the internet posting of opinions...

http://www.businessinsider.com/former-marine-brandon-raub-is-being-held-in-a-psychiatric-ward-over-facebook-posts-about-911-2012-8

Aloha_Shooter

08-20-2012, 12:27

Click the link

Go look at his page.. Clearly says why they took him in the article. Google his name and read...

I didn't bother with the article because the tidbits you posted had enough agitprop-style phrasing to clearly show the author of the article had an agenda. Heck, his image was sourced from "United Truth Seekers"; I can only guess at what THEIR agenda is. I was sure there's more to it than the article is stating because nearly any commander I've ever worked with -- in any service -- would have had serious issues against taking steps like this if it was just "speaking out". Larry Gelbart and Alan Alda's M*A*S*H aside, very few of the officers or SNCOs I have known were self-righteous, incompetent tyrannical boobs.

Having said all that, you just don't post stuff like was extracted here while in uniform. If you feel strongly then voice your concerns through channels or publicize your concerns after GTFO. What I saw here is bad enough -- it's detrimental to general order and morale -- but I'm guessing there's even more if they felt compelled to arrest him. Perhaps he was having mental issues as Bailey intimated or maybe the family asked he be taken into custody to avoid an Aurora-style incident.

The Marine in question wasn't "disappeared" so we'll be able to see how this develops and what else they were acting on.

XC700116

08-20-2012, 12:40

Just a quick clarification, He's not active duty anymore, he's out.

hence the references to former Marine, but as any Marine will tell you, "Once a Marine, always a Marine".

10mm-man

08-20-2012, 12:42

^^^ +1

BushMasterBoy

08-20-2012, 13:50

According to this article, Brandon Raub has been committed to a Veterans Affairs psychiatric ward for 30 days. He is now being represented by the Rutherford Institute, a non profit civil liberties institution.

In my opinion this citizens rights are being severely trampled. Either charge him with promoting an armed revolt or let him go. This case is making the Chesterfield Police,the FBI and the Secret Service look really bad. Making the VA an accomplice is not helping their case in my view. I'm sure Obama has lost another vote from this!

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19322410/rutherford-institute-statement-on-brandon-raub

Scanker19

08-20-2012, 14:03

Jus... but as any Marine will tell you, "Once a Marine, always a Marine".

So? He's not active duty. I've also seen the bumper sticker "Once a Marine...eh once is enough..."

He had to have said something else. Scary if he didn't.

XC700116

08-20-2012, 14:59

I was just more or less referring to the reference calling him a Marine even though he's actually out of the military now.

I know many formerly enlisted Marines that take offense if you call them a "former" or "ex" Marine.

I was pointing out that he is not currently enlisted, but trying to not be an arrogant ass by just saying ex-Marine or former-Marine out of respect for the many Marines no longer enlisted but don't like the term ex-Marine or former-Marine applied to those that have been honorably discharged. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I've also been looking for anything I can find, but pretty much the usual things posted is all I can find. and yeah, it IS scary.

10mm-man

08-20-2012, 15:17

SA Friday

08-20-2012, 16:02

Almost all scizepherenia breaks first happen between the ages of 20 to 30. Reading the Facebook post in this thread, it appears towards the end to show many characteristics seen in a paranoid break. The beginning is choppy and then it just jumps around everywhere towards the end. I suspect the FBI and USSS did a couple of interviews before talking to him, and I wouldn't be suprised if they found a pattern easily seen by friends and other family of a progression of paranoia.

He has attorneys on his side. I would let this one play out and see where the cards fall before jumping on the conspiracy band wagon on this one.

You see, stuff like this is the crux of proactive initiatives in LE and counter intel agencies. One side can look at it and say it is big brother out of control. Another side can look at it and say they stopped another Aurora theater shooting. It's a very rare occasion that either side can legitimately say they are correct and the other is not. Conversely, without proactive initiatives you get Holmes shooting up theaters and everyone standing around pointing fingers and asking why wasn't this guy stopped before he killed people. One of the major reasons I retired.

10mm-man

08-20-2012, 16:26

One of the major reasons I retired.

What did you retire from?

SA Friday

08-20-2012, 16:36

What did you retire from?

OSI

10mm-man

08-20-2012, 17:06

OSI

OSI?

BushMasterBoy

08-20-2012, 17:35

some info here

http://www.osi.af.mil/

Hoser

08-20-2012, 17:44

I would let this one play out and see where the cards fall before jumping on the conspiracy band wagon on this one.

Thats no fun. We all know they sky is falling.

bogie

08-20-2012, 18:38

"Once a Marine...eh once is enough..."

Vietnam draftee?

SA Friday

08-20-2012, 21:32

OSI?
Ya, really similar to NCIS and Army CID, but better.

10mm-man

08-20-2012, 22:04

Ya, really similar to NCIS and Army CID, but better.

[Beer]

BushMasterBoy

08-20-2012, 22:32

Well it sounds like this guy is getting alot of support, unlike the thousands of veterans that were lobotomized by the VA after World War 2*

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/local-news/2012/aug/21/tdmain01-chesterfield-man-ordered-held-for-evaluat-ar-2144481/ (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/local-news/2012/aug/21/tdmain01-chesterfield-man-ordered-held-for-evaluat-ar-2144481/)

*

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/treatment-of-war-related-psychiatric-injuries-post-world-war-ii/

Clint45

08-21-2012, 11:56

OSI

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hLkgswP1Xv0/RvVc86rKdRI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Nv52-AosvJo/s1600/untitled.JPG

Inconel710

08-21-2012, 12:56

Ya, really similar to NCIS and Army CID, but better - because it's AIR FORCE!.

FIFY [ROFL1]

BushMasterBoy

08-21-2012, 20:42

Now they move the guy away from his home, I'm sure the VA can now brainwash him back to being normal...meanwhile Facebook stock hits their all time low.*

http://www.examiner.com/article/update-on-brandon-raub-s-detention

*
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FB

SA Friday

08-21-2012, 20:46

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hLkgswP1Xv0/RvVc86rKdRI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Nv52-AosvJo/s1600/untitled.JPG

Funny. I haven't seen that one before.

BushMasterBoy

08-22-2012, 19:51

I wonder if anybody was ever hauled off for posting on ar-15.co? I deleted my facebook account today...

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2012/aug/22/can-government-detain-you-over-facebook-posts/

10mm-man

08-22-2012, 20:11

I deleted my facebook account today...

That is the best thing you can do![Beer]

Just followed your lead.......

BushMasterBoy

08-22-2012, 22:02

Maybe the FBI will haul off this Texas judge next...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-judge-warns-possible-civil-war-president-obama-230545603.html

10mm-man

08-23-2012, 09:45

Maybe the FBI will haul off this Texas judge next...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-judge-warns-possible-civil-war-president-obama-230545603.html

I love TEXAS! Don't think anyone is stupid enough (go get him) to do such a thing.

stevelkinevil

08-23-2012, 13:48

Looks like a judge ordered his release.
http://libertycrier.com/politics/breaking-news-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-from-psychiatric-hospital/

BushMasterBoy

08-23-2012, 14:10

I was planning on to keep posting about this case until it was resolved...now I will STFU about it!

10mm-man

08-23-2012, 15:33

Looks like a judge ordered his release.
http://libertycrier.com/politics/breaking-news-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-from-psychiatric-hospital/

Nice update!

Let the heads roll! Get to work Marine.........

Kinda disgusting how many were all for it and let other Americans rights get rolled over...... Take note on those that fold easy!

"This is a scary new chapter in our history,” Rutherford Institute President John W. Whitehead says in a statement released on Tuesday this week.

stevelkinevil

08-23-2012, 16:36

Nice update!

Let the heads roll! Get to work Marine.........

Kinda disgusting how many were all for it and let other Americans rights get rolled over...... Take note on those that fold easy!

"This is a scary new chapter in our history,” Rutherford Institute President John W. Whitehead says in a statement released on Tuesday this week.

agreed, scary how many folks even here were ready to see him locked away for life for speaking out against the .gov [NoEvil]

10mm-man

08-23-2012, 17:09

agreed, scary how many folks even here were ready to see him locked away for life for speaking out against the .gov [NoEvil]

Especially here.....

Just take note!

theGinsue

08-23-2012, 21:21

Gentle beings,

I re-read all of the posts in this thread and I saw no one "ready to see him locked away for life". What I read we're folks expressing that they recognize how the system truly works. Those of you who fail to see or accept this will one day have a rude awakening.

Whether you agree or disagree with this Marine's statements, people ARE watching and there are consequences (good, bad, or indifferent) to making such comments. You're willing to accept that with your 2A Rights comes responsibility & consequences, why not for your 1st? Just because you have free speech doesn't mean that someone won't punch you in the mouth or sue you for something you said; right? Then I ask you: Who has a bigger fist and judicial/legal power in this country than Uncle Sam?

Personally, I feel this Marine did nothing wrong and simply expressed what was on his heart. But, while I seriously doubt it would have ever happened, what if he had gone on some sort of killing spree to drive home his displeasure with our government? What then? The public outcry by those who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own safety and insist it's the governments responsibility would have been deafening.

If you think that .gov monitoring of your lives is bad now, do a little research on the data center currently being built in Utah to see what's coming. Once completed, there will be the capability to monitor and save all Internet, home and mobile phone and other traffic - as well as anything captured by traffic & other surveillence cam's from around the country. It's been posted here and in the news before and it's real! They aren't building the largest & most capable data center ever constructed just to play one hell of a game of Microsoft Solitaire.

Folks, Big Brother IS watching which, as Jerry stated, is why the staff here will shut down and disappear threads that pose a risk to this site or to it's members.

jhood001

08-24-2012, 00:23

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hLkgswP1Xv0/RvVc86rKdRI/AAAAAAAAAG0/Nv52-AosvJo/s1600/untitled.JPG

How dare you post my ID publicly!

On a more serious note:

Being detained as a result of mental instability is a very slippery slope. Especially when an individual being detained is detained for speaking out against those that are doing the detaining.

Declaring this fellow as potentially unstable based on a few of his posts to friends and acquaintances is both dangerous and irresponsible. This man is frustrated with the current state of affiars and he believes a few things that are questionable to others. That sounds like just another day on these forums to me.

Take care in who you brand as being unstable when their beliefs diverge from your own because you never know who will be holding the brand when you are the one speaking.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

stevelkinevil

08-24-2012, 07:08

How dare you post my ID publicly!

On a more serious note:

Being detained as a result of mental instability is a very slippery slope. Especially when an individual being detained is detained for speaking out against those that are doing the detaining.

Declaring this fellow as potentially unstable based on a few of his posts to friends and acquaintances is both dangerous and irresponsible. This man is frustrated with the current state of affiars and he believes a few things that are questionable to others. That sounds like just another day on these forums to me.

Take care in who you brand as being unstable when their beliefs diverge from your own because you never know who will be holding the brand when you are the one speaking.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Very well said [Beer]

Teufelhund

08-24-2012, 08:02

Looks like a judge ordered his release.
http://libertycrier.com/politics/breaking-news-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-from-psychiatric-hospital/

Judge Sharrett adds that he was shocked to find that a magistrate did not include any grounds at all for holding Raub, who was placed in custody for a full week without any charges being pressed.

This story has me seething mad. This kind of crap is not supposed to happen in America. I think the most distressing part is the number of local LE that went along with it. I'm pretty sure those folks take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, which this clearly violates. I know for a fact that even the dumbest of Marines knows he is not obligated to follow (and is in fact obligated to disobey) unlawful orders. LE should be held to the same standard. Every officer that participated in this crime should lose his job. [Rant1]

I'm glad it was dismissed, but it leaves me wondering how often this happens that we don't hear about.

ronaldrwl

08-24-2012, 08:39

This story has me seething mad. This kind of crap is not supposed to happen in America. I think the most distressing part is the number of local LE that went along with it. I'm pretty sure those folks take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, which this clearly violates. I know for a fact that even the dumbest of Marines knows he is not obligated to follow (and is in fact obligated to disobey) unlawful orders. LE should be held to the same standard. Every officer that participated in this crime should lose his job. [Rant1]

I'm glad it was dismissed, but it leaves me wondering how often this happens that we don't hear about.

+1

10mm-man

08-24-2012, 17:13

Maybe the FBI will haul off this Texas judge next...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-judge-warns-possible-civil-war-president-obama-230545603.html

Now the Dems want him removed: http://news.yahoo.com/texas-democrats-discuss-options-removing-local-judge-193400717.html

Byte Stryke

08-24-2012, 18:28

Now the Dems want him removed: http://news.yahoo.com/texas-democrats-discuss-options-removing-local-judge-193400717.html

if the Question is:
Would Americans Stand against a foreign power threatening the Sovereignty of The United States of America?

Yes.

Is Obama threatening it...