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Wiggity
08-20-2012, 12:58
I wrote him an email letting him know that he will not be recieving my vote if he supports this infringement in 2A rights. Here is his response. The important part is bolded.




Dear Sam,

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Cybersecurity Act of 2012 (S.3414). I appreciate you taking the time to express your views on this important legislation.

This bipartisan and comprehensive bill would address the immediate and growing threats to our nation's computer networks, power grids, dams, nuclear power plants and water supply, along with other critical infrastructure. Because over 85 percent of our nation's infrastructure is owned by private U.S. companies, the cyber threat is one that can only be addressed by the public and private sectors working together. This bill would create a voluntary system of industry-driven security standards, with a goal of protecting networks and critical infrastructure from cyber attacks. Though this collaboration promotes the sharing of cyber threat information, the Cybersecurity Act of 2012 is not overly intrusive and is designed to ensure that privacy and civil liberties are protected.

As a member of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee, I am keenly aware of the threats facing our country, including cyber threats. We must remain vigilant against these threats while striking a balance between securing our nation's infrastructure and protecting the privacy interests of American citizens. The authors of S.3414 have achieved such a balance.

However, no piece of legislation is perfect. I have introduced three amendments to S.3414 that will make this bill even stronger. The first would require the administration to provide a detailed plan on how it will develop a highly trained federal cybersecurity workforce. The second would establish permanent faculty positions to train the next generation of military cyber leaders at the U.S. Air Force Academy. Finally, my third amendment addresses the strategic stockpile of extra high-voltage transformers, which are vital to our nation's power grid and would take months or years to replace if destroyed by a cyber attack. These common sense amendments would strengthen both the bill and our national security.

As you know, Senator Frank Lautenberg introduced an amendment to the Cybersecurity Act of 2012. This amendment would make it unlawful for a person to sell, transfer or possess a large-capacity ammunition magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition. I am committed to protecting the Second Amendment rights of citizens to own firearms for personal protection, hunting, collecting or for other legal purposes. That said, I am also reminded of the tragedies at the Aurora movie theater; Columbine High School; Virginia Tech and in Tucson, AZ. These horrific events are national tragedies that should concern us all as we continue to debate gun control policy.


Although I support the Cybersecurity Act of 2012, on August 2, 2012, the U.S. Senate failed to gather the 60 votes necessary to move to a final up-or-down vote. Please know that as the Senate continues to examine cybersecurity issues, your thoughts and concerns will provide important guidance. To see my speech on the Senate floor in support of this bill, please visit http://www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=video&id=2616 (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markudall.senate.gov%2F%3Fp %3Dvideo%26id%3D2616&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNExiDGMQmNkBAzoIS68x2sOgfU9yA).


I will continue to listen closely to what you and other Coloradans have to say about matters before Congress, the concerns of our communities, and the issues facing Colorado and the nation. My job is not merely about supporting or opposing legislation, but also about bridging the divide that has paralyzed our nation's politics. For more information about my positions and to learn how my office can assist you, please visit my website at www.markudall.senate.gov (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markudall.senate.gov&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH-cQoE4y5d_6WnDd2BWYloeXz_OA).





Looks like he won't be getting my vote! (like he would anyways)

BPTactical
08-20-2012, 13:00
Don't feel flattered. I got the exact same response.

hghclsswhitetrsh
08-20-2012, 13:03
This is my shocked face.

Wiggity
08-20-2012, 13:05
Don't feel flattered. I got the exact same response.


lol definitely believable

sellersm
08-20-2012, 13:06
I got the same reply & in other words, he's not really supportive of the 2A...

Wiggity
08-20-2012, 13:07
What a liar

Singlestack
08-20-2012, 13:09
Ditto with the others; same reply. Although I didn't necessarily expect him to agree with my disagreement, he needs to know that his stance is unpopular with a portion of his constituents.

Singlestack

Ridge
08-20-2012, 13:12
I got the same one today. How long ago did we send those messages to him??

Ronin13
08-20-2012, 13:25
Udall is a moron. Anyone who supports that amendment to the Cyber Security Bill is a fucking idiot. We all know here, the size of the magazine doesn't limit someone's capacity for murder. They should limit the stupidity in congress, but then again if con is the opposite of pro then the opposite of progress would be congress.

eneranch
08-20-2012, 13:27
It's the same old bullshit-canned-response I get after letting him know where I stand on an issue.

10mm-man
08-20-2012, 13:27
You know there is an important part being left out of this gun control BS. They say for ; personal protection, hunting, sport, etc.

But how do people look past our constitution in all this? A well regulated militia, were are those?

I think it is BS that I can manufacture a full auto, but can only transfer to LE or Gov agencies. Really?

I think we need a well regulated militia, on par with any LE or military so we have a balance of power..... And yes I feel any ordinary citizen who is of sound mind and legal to own, should be able to own a Full Auto.

I feel I might need a PAC to further my agenda; every citizen armed and the obolishment of all gun control...

FromMyColdDeadHand
08-20-2012, 13:37
Ask him if he is going to be point man on the SWAT team that goes door to door to collect the tens of millions of $10 aluminium boxes.

Actually, he didn't say anything. Someone that got the letter needs to respond and call him out and ask him if he supports the amendment or not.

Oh, by they way. The list of shooting is not about the 2A, its about the failure of our mental health system. Check it.

He's trying to fix crazy people by collecting metal boxes. Who's crazy now.

That's like fixing drunk driving by making beer cans smaller.

Ronin13
08-20-2012, 13:38
You know there is an important part being left out of this gun control BS. They say for ; personal protection, hunting, sport, etc.

But how do people look past our constitution in all this? A well regulated militia, were are those?

I think it is BS that I can manufacture a full auto, but can only transfer to LE or Gov agencies. Really?

I think we need a well regulated militia, on par with any LE or military so we have a balance of power..... And yes I feel any ordinary citizen who is of sound mind and legal to own, should be able to own a Full Auto.

I feel I might need a PAC to further my agenda; every citizen armed and the obolishment of all gun control...

I have underlined your absolute best point to date... well this week at least. [Coffee]
Well said!
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free." -Clarence Darrow
Someone should tell Mr. Udall that.

wctriumph
08-20-2012, 19:08
Same reply received here.

I also called his office and expressed my concern to the cheerful young lady that answered the phone who assured me that the Senator is very aware of the way Coloradoans feel about their 2nd ammendment rights.

scratchy
08-20-2012, 19:31
Same response here. He's as full of s*it as a christmas goose.

BushMasterBoy
08-20-2012, 19:41
I'm sure he means well...[ROFL1]

10mm-man
08-20-2012, 19:42
I'm sure he means well...[ROFL1]

And i am sure he is trying as hard as he can too![Beer]

Waywardson174
08-20-2012, 20:35
I used to write these letters for a state Senator. He was a great guy. Usually form letters and the like were simply replied to just like Udall, however, every week he would request totals for each issue we received mail on. More than a couple times he had additional research done, and several times he actually changed his vote on big issues if he was overwhelmed with a particular viewpoint. All that to say, even receiving a form response doesn't mean you weren't heard and had no impact.

Keep up the good fight guys.

sniper7
08-20-2012, 21:07
as others have said, I got the same thing. What the moron Udall doesn't get is that no matter the magazine restrictions this guy would have got them if he wanted them. Heck...he booby trapped his apartment with supposedly enough force to kill everyone in the building.
I just hate how politicians don't understand that criminals are the ones who break the laws and more restrictions just turn good people into criminals needlessly.

Great-Kazoo
08-20-2012, 21:23
But how do people look past our constitution in all this? A well regulated militia, were are those?

How do they look past the constitution Very Easily.
Remember this mindset "they" have is the same one that staunchly defends burning an American flag. However burn a mexican flag and you become a racist. That is how their mind works.
It's ok for me but Fvk You nothing more, nothing less.
Never argue with emotion, their shrill voices drown out reason.

colo-pr
08-20-2012, 23:44
I receive the se too :-(

Clint45
08-21-2012, 00:08
Many automatic pistols come standard with magazines that hold between 12 and 17 rounds. So this legislation would mean you'd need to instal blocks in those mags or be guilty of a federal felony? Get caught with a 12 round magazine and lose your right to own a firearm forever? No doubt this will be a "zero tolerance" law with no plea bargaining and mandatory minimums as well.

Any politician who supports this amendment should be stripped of their citizenship, tarred, feathered, loaded into a giant catapult, and flung into Mexico.

sturn18
08-21-2012, 07:22
Many automatic pistols come standard with magazines that hold between 12 and 17 rounds. So this legislation would mean you'd need to instal blocks in those mags or be guilty of a federal felony? Get caught with a 12 round magazine and lose your right to own a firearm forever? No doubt this will be a "zero tolerance" law with no plea bargaining and mandatory minimums as well.

Any politician who supports this amendment should be stripped of their citizenship, tarred, feathered, loaded into a giant catapult, and flung into Mexico.

The bill actually does grandfather in all the old high cap mags. You just couldn't transfer them to anybody else. I don't support it, just clarifying.

Mazin
08-21-2012, 07:25
And to think I painted that bastards office in wasteminster.

Great-Kazoo
08-21-2012, 07:30
And to think I painted that bastards office in wasteminster.

That's called work, something his supporters don't do
AND also (evil word ) Capitalism. Go on Take the Money and Run !

KevDen2005
08-21-2012, 07:51
He won me over. Thanks for sharing. I am selling all my guns right this second, check out the trading post, they are all a dollar. I am now liberal.

Mazin
08-21-2012, 08:50
He won me over. Thanks for sharing. I am selling all my guns right this second, check out the trading post, they are all a dollar. I am now liberal.


I'll takem! [Tooth]

CO Hugh
08-21-2012, 11:40
It is all about control so we can have a gun bureaucracy full of village idiots issuing regulations about what type of guns are acceptable for the slaves to own, probably none.

waxthis
08-21-2012, 11:51
"

I will continue to listen closely to what you and other Coloradans have to say about matters before Congress, the concerns of our communities, and the issues facing Colorado and the nation. My job is not merely about supporting or opposing legislation, but also about bridging the divide that has paralyzed our nation's politics. For more information about my positions and to learn how my office can assist you, please visit my website at www.markudall.senate.gov (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markudall.senate.gov&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH-cQoE4y5d_6WnDd2BWYloeXz_OA)."

Eat Shit............[Rant1]

scratchy
08-21-2012, 13:13
He won me over. Thanks for sharing. I am selling all my guns right this second, check out the trading post, they are all a dollar. I am now liberal.

I'll bid $2 [Coffee]

Mazin
08-21-2012, 13:23
That's called work, something his supporters don't do
AND also (evil word ) Capitalism. Go on Take the Money and Run !



Damn it thx Jim! now I have that song stuck in my head [Tooth]

kanekutter05
08-21-2012, 13:25
I'll bid $2 [Coffee]
No you can't do that...that's supply and demand which is a part of a free economy which is a part of capitalism which is BAD [Bang]

I'm gonna Price is Right your ass though...I bid $2.01 [Beer]

Ronin13
08-21-2012, 14:06
He won me over. Thanks for sharing. I am selling all my guns right this second, check out the trading post, they are all a dollar. I am now liberal.

So what you're saying is you didn't have a horrible boating accident where you lost all your guns? And here I thought no one was safe to go boating with on this site... [Coffee]

sniper7
08-21-2012, 14:32
No you can't do that...that's supply and demand which is a part of a free economy which is a part of capitalism which is BAD [Bang]

I'm gonna Price is Right your ass though...I bid $2.01 [Beer]

I'll be the final bidder with $2.02. Thanks Drew[Beer]

kanekutter05
08-21-2012, 15:04
I'll be the final bidder with $2.02. Thanks Drew[Beer]

No no no...the final bidder always bids $1 [LOL]

sniper7
08-21-2012, 15:31
No no no...the final bidder always bids $1 [LOL]

those are the people that make me jump out of my seat and scream at them! I swear people need to take a quick lesson on TPIR before they go to the viewing.

kanekutter05
08-21-2012, 15:34
those are the people that make me jump out of my seat and scream at them! I swear people need to take a quick lesson on TPIR before they go to the viewing.

It's almost like it's tradition even though that person only gets on the show 1/100 times (when everyone else is a dumbass).

I think I watched that show too much in my college days...but what else are you supposed to do at 10am every day? I sure as hell wasn't gonna study [Coffee]

splogan
08-22-2012, 04:55
He blew me off when my wife was getting royally screwed by the AF Reserve for having the audacity to PCS overseas with me and try to continue her service here. We had some great friends trying to help but the big bureaucracy won in the end. Short answer the wife and I are not overly fond of him any more