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Ok, so, I'm losing weight, and now the pants thing is gettin ridiculous... I'm at the point of getting annoyed of the folds in my pants, and was wondering if it is ok to carry with an IWB holster, as long as your shirt doesn't cover the remaining part of the gun sticking out of your pants? Mainly, the gun will take up the slack in the pants, but I'm wondering if having the just the back end visible is legal OC, or do I have to carry it in a completely visible holster?
BuffCyclist
08-23-2012, 23:42
It was my understanding that if you can see it, it's considered open carry.
To be on the safe side though, I would probably have it ride higher up than too far low in the pants.
10mm-man
08-24-2012, 00:19
I read somewere it has to be (completly seen) visible from 3 points of view. I will try and find it but maybe someone will chime in and confirm or not...
jhood001
08-24-2012, 00:32
I can't speak to the legality of such a carry method, but my personal opinion is that the manner of carry you mentioned is in poor taste unless you are Martin Riggs.
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I can't speak to the legality of such a carry method, but my personal opinion is that the manner of carry you mentioned is in poor taste unless you are Martin Riggs.
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If it is legal, how would it be in poor taste? I'm not worried about my shirt covering it as it is tucked under my gun currently and has never *never* come untucked to where it has covered it. It's just a different way. Now, I can see someone calling me in like this though..... It might look like I was trying to CC and it just didn't work...... I guess that's a new though... Maybe I'll just buy smaller pants...
jhood001
08-24-2012, 01:13
My post was in jest, Spyder and only done for a laugh.
An IWB that is exposed is a little too cowboy or ganster for my tastes and I personally think that such a carry method might get you attention that you may not desire.
However, if it meets your needs and it is legal I'm all about it. The more of us with good intentions that are carrying the better!
theGinsue
08-24-2012, 01:35
My understanding is that partially concealed is considered "concealed" & you'd better have a CCW to back it up.
BuffCyclist
08-24-2012, 02:04
My understanding is that partially concealed is considered "concealed" & you'd better have a CCW to back it up.
With this logic though, it would seem that the definition of a concealed firearm is dependent on whether the holster was concealed. Therefore, an open carry holster is visible which means open carry. A concealed carry holster (IWB) is hidden, which would mean concealed pistol. I do not agree with this.
eta: In addition, if I were to CC into Walmart (sells liquor for offsite consumption so CC is legal, OC is not) and I print, then technically I am OC. However, with your definition of partially concealed being "concealed", then even though I was printing, the pistol was partially concealed by my shirt and therefore its CC. I think you'd have a very hard time convincing an officer of this.
Open or concealed carry is not dependent on the visibility of the holster.
With that said, I still would not use a deep concealment holster (such as one that would put the back of the grip right at belt line) as an open carry holster. That is too borderline.
eta: In addition, if I were to CC into Walmart (sells liquor for offsite consumption so CC is legal, OC is not) and I print, then technically I am OC. However, with your definition of partially concealed being "concealed", then even though I was printing, the pistol was partially concealed by my shirt and therefore its CC. I think you'd have a very hard time convincing an officer of this.
whoops i oc at walmart all the time....and have in front of leo [Stooge]
Teufelhund
08-24-2012, 07:23
eta: In addition, if I were to CC into Walmart (sells liquor for offsite consumption so CC is legal, OC is not) and I print, then technically I am OC.
That's a new one on me. Can you quote a source for this?
Great-Kazoo
08-24-2012, 07:37
That's a new one on me. Can you quote a source for this?
BC is living in NM, not CO
Teufelhund
08-24-2012, 07:42
BC is living in NM, not CO
Oooh gotcha. Good catch, Jim.
SouthPaw
08-24-2012, 08:09
Do you have a CCW? If not get one and you do not have to ask this question. I sometimes carry the same way because of work clothing. I have been asked if I am LEO before going into Wal-Mart, Walgreens and Taco Johns. IWB, black polo shirt, and brown slacks.
I have always been under the assumption that it has to be CLEARLY visible. Using a holster that was designed for CCW to OC without a permit might be hard to argue.
10mm-man
08-24-2012, 11:06
Just found this "case law" on another post by: BushMasterBoy
"Concealed" means placed out of sight so as not to be discernible or apparent by ordinary observation. People ex rel. O.R., 220 P.3d 949 (Colo. App. 2008).
I would think one (LEO) could argue that you were trying to conceal it, and one could argue (you) the opposite. However I am sure you don't want or need the attention. So in this case- buy some new pants.......
Second hand store, Goodwill or salvation army. I used to shop at these stores when an ex girlfriend of mine would come home (from second hand stores) with (like new) designer jeans for nada!
You can find some good stuff in there; Dickies, Guess, Lucky, and yes Wrangler too![Beer]
BuffCyclist
08-24-2012, 13:30
BC is living in NM, not CO
Exactly, sorry I keep forgetting that I'm the outside on the forum lol
Printing is totally different than open carrying. Your best bet is to NOT carry in the manner that you are suggesting. Starting with half the gun concealed puts you on the wrong side of a slippery slope.
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