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There was a person who a few of you have gone with. I believe a women on the western slope. Can anyone recommend me a person. PM or post up
yankeefan98121
08-24-2012, 23:14
pm'd
Goodburbon
08-24-2012, 23:18
also needed
Fentonite
08-25-2012, 01:58
Law Office of Rose F. Pugliese, LLC
300 Main Street, Suite 301
Grand Junction, CO 81501
970.589.3755
800.748.9389 fax
www.puglieselawfirm.com
here is a link to another post with her information and a couple of other lawyers!
i too used Rose, however i suggest using the NFA TRUST guy member Rod for your NFA items from now on!
NFA Trust post in the NFA section (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=47390&page=3)
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 10:58
Don't mean to drop in, so if it's considered a d-rail please let me know and I will start another but; I am wondering why people use an attorney versus an online Do-it-yourself or an LLC? Cheaper this way and not to hard, just wondering if I am missing something......
Teufelhund
08-25-2012, 11:13
It was explained to me that a trust will protect the NFA items better than an LLC. I don't remember the details. A lot of folks are under the impression that a lawyer will draw up a more detailed and specific trust that will protect your items better than a canned trust generated from software (e.g. Willmaker). That said, I've found several instances on the net of people describing using Willmaker to make their NFA trust.
Don't mean to drop in, so if it's considered a d-rail please let me know and I will start another but; I am wondering why people use an attorney versus an online Do-it-yourself or an LLC? Cheaper this way and not to hard, just wondering if I am missing something......
Not a derail at all! I'm wondering this also i'm sure others are too
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 11:20
It was explained to me that a trust will protect the NFA items better than an LLC. I don't remember the details. A lot of folks are under the impression that a lawyer will draw up a more detailed and specific trust that will protect your items better than a canned trust generated from software (e.g. Willmaker). That said, I've found several instances on the net of people describing using Willmaker to make their NFA trust.
An LLC just has to be paid for every year, that's the downfall. As for the trust it is just protecting the NFA items which isn't to detailed. An online will save you a lot of$$$ and cover ya just fine. I would say do online and maybe have a paralegal review but that is my $.02.
Circuits
08-25-2012, 18:00
The trust willmaker will generate for you is going to be a valid trust - that doesn't make it particularly suitable for use as an NFA container.
Examples: Most vanilla trusts specify that trust assets are to be sold to settle the grantor's debts. You probably don't want that happening with your NFA goodies.
Most vanilla trusts contain boilerplate clauses about careful stewardship of trust assets, which is kind of at odds with you regularly using and thus devaluing the SBRs and suppressors- maybe causing a baffle strike or having a KB.
There are a bunch of other things which may be particular to different boilerplate trusts, or peculiar to each state's trust laws which may not be suitable for your uses. Those trusts will be valid, legal entities which can own NFA, but encumber your usage of the items if things ever got unhappy between you and other trustees.
Using a lawyer will let you look for pitfalls like that which you would like to do differently for a trust whose assets you're intending to use and share with other trustees, etc. If you don't give a damn, or are just cheap, then use willmaker or a boilerplate handed out by some gunstores.
I used Rose on the western slope as well and the stamp came back approved. Here fee was very reasonable compared to others. Think it was $350. Just felt better not risking having something wrong. If there is/was I can blame the lawyer and have it corrected. Not too mention 6 months is long enough to wait and then to have your app kick back because somthing was wrong, would suck.
Fentonite
08-25-2012, 19:06
I used Rose on the western slope as well and the stamp came back approved. Here fee was very reasonable compared to others. Think it was $350. Just felt better not risking having something wrong. If there is/was I can blame the lawyer and have it corrected. Not too mention 6 months is long enough to wait and then to have your app kick back because somthing was wrong, would suck.
Those were my thoughts too. Sure, maybe a $10 trust would be ok, but for peace of mind, and recourse if something goes wrong, it's worth it to me. When you consider the length of time over which the cost will be spread, it's pretty cheap insurance, if you believe in insurance.
spqrzilla
08-25-2012, 20:57
Given the expense of playing with NFA toys, and the legal pitfalls of not playing with the rules correctly, I can't imagine why anyone would use a computer legal form generator to create an NFA trust. Its really a bad idea.
I used Willmaker, but to be honest, I wish I had gone with an attorney. Just for peice of mind. A good friend of mine (attorney) is actually getting all set up to do NFA specific trusts. I'm going to have him give it a good once over since he's such a sharp dude.
Does anybody know for a FACT if anyone has got in trouble with a trust from a program like Willmaker? I'm not talking about a story you heard or read about on the internet. But actual facts of the arrest. From what I understand, it would be public information if it went to court.
I used Willmaker, but to be honest, I wish I had gone with an attorney. Just for peice of mind. A good friend of mine (attorney) is actually getting all set up to do NFA specific trusts. I'm going to have him give it a good once over since he's such a sharp dude.
Does anybody know for a FACT if anyone has got in trouble with a trust from a program like Willmaker? I'm not talking about a story you heard or read about on the internet. But actual facts of the arrest. From what I understand, it would be public information if it went to court.
Not to bag on the boys at the ATF but they are NOT lawyers.. a trust is a trust is a trust to them.. however, to the DOJ or some local DA.. the difference in wording could be rather costly... having to defend your own actions in court is $$$$.. someone who carries malpractice insurance.. well let them worry about that.
10mm-man
08-25-2012, 22:59
I used Willmaker, but to be honest, I wish I had gone with an attorney. Just for peice of mind. A good friend of mine (attorney) is actually getting all set up to do NFA specific trusts. I'm going to have him give it a good once over since he's such a sharp dude.
Does anybody know for a FACT if anyone has got in trouble with a trust from a program like Willmaker? I'm not talking about a story you heard or read about on the internet. But actual facts of the arrest. From what I understand, it would be public information if it went to court.
Hey when your attorney gets them set up specific for NFA, let me know. [Beer]
Good info boys sounds like an attorney is the way to go!
Hey when your attorney gets them set up specific for NFA, let me know. [Beer]
Good info boys sounds like an attorney is the way to go!
Will do. He's in Loveland. So he's relatively close and will be cheaper than anyone I've seen so far. He just finished one for a customer who ordered a Thunderbeast from us. I told him I wouldn't post his contact info until he gives me the OK. Should be soon.
Here's a previous thread on trust lawyers (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=47390&highlight=lawyer).
O2
Ps. Too bad this really important information is now getting spread out due to lack of use of the search function. :(
Search->advanced search, search on "lawyer" and restrict the search to the NFA forum.
Or sometimes even better, Google the following: "site:ar-15.co nfa lawyer"
Here's a previous thread on trust lawyers (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=47390&highlight=lawyer).
O2
Ps. Too bad this really important information is now getting spread out due to lack of use of the search function. :(
Search->advanced search, search on "lawyer" and restrict the search to the NFA forum.
Or sometimes even better, Google the following: "site:ar-15.co nfa lawyer"
Hey thanks for the advice [Tooth]
Will do. He's in Loveland. So he's relatively close and will be cheaper than anyone I've seen so far. He just finished one for a customer who ordered a Thunderbeast from us. I told him I wouldn't post his contact info until he gives me the OK. Should be soon.
I'm planning on getting one started in the next week or two; PM me if he's willing to work on it.
Thanks
I used Rose as well. $350 and the first change is free. It is a revokable living trust to it can be altered at any time. I also did it all via email. I did not have to go to GJ to see her in person which was nice.
I'm planning on getting one started in the next week or two; PM me if he's willing to work on it.
Thanks
Just talked to him. He told me he's close. Not exactly sure what that means. I think he's going to charge $300.00. Which is a little cheaper than I've seen.
Scratch the above post. He's up and running. PM me if you need a trust for your class 3 toys. He is charging $300.00.
How many trustees can.I have?
RCCrawler
08-29-2012, 22:16
Just got mine for review from Rose tonight.
How many trustees can.I have?
No limit. And you can add and delete trustees as well if the trust document does not prohibit it.
O2
ssgenuine
08-30-2012, 23:09
Hey Colorado, talked to your Loveland guy, he is setting up my trust now. Now I need to decide which 308 suppressors to get. Since I shoot with my kid all the time, I need two of 308 and prob 223. Any great deals on sets going on right now. I would like to do the thunderbeast, just don't know how many $$. Will you let people finger their toys (with you present of course) before the stamp arrives???? Anyway drop me a pm on what, when and how much.
Thanks
ssgenuine
08-31-2012, 17:32
OK, so this guy is fast. Trust complete, getting it notorized Monday. Best $300 ever. Wife, son and nephew all on there so they can use also. Thanks for posting his info.
OK, so this guy is fast. Trust complete, getting it notorized Monday. Best $300 ever. Wife, son and nephew all on there so they can use also. Thanks for posting his info.
Yep, he rocks. That's why I posted his info. I wouldn't recommend him if I didn't have 100% trust in him.
Ill PM you with the rest of the info. in a bit.[Beer]
al czervik
12-12-2012, 11:19
Yep, he rocks. That's why I posted his info. I wouldn't recommend him if I didn't have 100% trust in him.
Ill PM you with the rest of the info. in a bit.[Beer]
If someone could pass along contact information for this attorney, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
bunnyspost
12-31-2012, 09:37
Scratch the above post. He's up and running. PM me if you need a trust for your class 3 toys. He is charging $300.00.
PM sent, thanks for your info on this.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
02-11-2013, 12:31
I Would like to get his info also.
NFATrustGuy
02-11-2013, 13:29
PM Sent
Rod
Rod,
I sent you a PM.
Thank you, Sean
enthusiast
02-25-2013, 23:49
I would like to get your contact info as well.
NFATrustGuy
02-26-2013, 12:11
Responded to both AP1Sean and enthusiast.
In general, for anyone who's interested, just send a blank email to NFATrust **AT** Woodardlaw **DOT**com. This generates an auto-responder email that has a bit of information along with a link to a downloadable questionnaire. All my contact information is available in the auto-response email and on the questionnaire.
Thanks to everyone for the business.
Rod
Rod has been great to work with and always takes the time to explain things. I now have the NFA trust complete and can pursue getting my first item.
If anyone knows where to find an AAC 762-SDN-6 in stock, PM me.
Here's the first item owned by the trust.
http://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=22711&d=1362105494
Responded to both AP1Sean and enthusiast.
In general, for anyone who's interested, just send a blank email to NFATrust **AT** Woodardlaw **DOT**com. This generates an auto-responder email that has a bit of information along with a link to a downloadable questionnaire. All my contact information is available in the auto-response email and on the questionnaire.
Thanks to everyone for the business.
Rod
Email sent. Thanks!
Very useful info, Thanks. My first NFA item is not in a trust, but I think I'll go the trust route for the next one.
R
Great-Kazoo
03-12-2013, 15:02
Very useful info, Thanks. My first NFA item is not in a trust, but I think I'll go the trust route for the next one.
R
Once your trust is set up, as money allows transfer the items in your name to the trust.
I highly Recommend ROD / NFAtrustGuy
I highly reccomend Rod as well (NFATrustGuy). His prices are very fair and he can get the trust to you very quickly.
Roger Ronas
03-12-2013, 16:45
Don't have any NFA items yet, May in the future, still thinking of a trust for all firearms?
Thoughts?
Roger
NFATrustGuy
03-12-2013, 18:39
Thanks for the kind words, guys.
Just how desirable a Trust will be for non-NFA items will depend on how the pending legislation turns out. Most people want to use a Trust to eventually transfer their firearms to their wife and then to the kids or to other relatives. As it currently stands, there several exceptions in the pending legislation that might cover most of what most people want to do.
Believe me: I'm not saying that the exceptions make the pending legislation OK. I think it's an attempt to pacify enough of the population with exemptions such that there is no massive outcry. They're whittling away with a divide and conquer strategy. It's similar to how the government continues to expand the Robin Hood philosophy of wealth distribution/socialism. Take from the rich and give to the poor. Very few people cared when the "rich" were people making more than 2 million a year, but we bought into the concept.
Now "rich" has been redefined to be a much lower number and more people are complaining about the wealth redistribution scheme. But the deal's done, we're just haggling over price. We started embracing socialism when we started deciding for somebody else how much money was "too much." We started embracing gun control when we accepted background checks for firearm purchase and CCW. We already have gun control in violation of 2A, it's now just a matter of degree.
The above comments might lose me some business, but I'm fine with that.
Rod
The above comments might lose me some business, but I'm fine with that.
Not from me, I am with you 100%.
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