View Full Version : CU Officially Supporting Students' Privacy and Right to Carry
james_bond_007
08-25-2012, 20:11
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/university-of-colorado-says-professor-cant-discriminate-against-students-carrying-guns-to-class/
University of Colorado Says Professor Can’t Discriminate Against Students Carrying Guns to Class
Carrying on college campuses is legal in CO and the University of CO has clarified it’s position in regards to the rights of students.
Colorado physics Professor Jerry Peterson (http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/about_us/meet_us/jerry_peterson/) allegedly told a colleague that he would cancel any class he found out a student was carrying a gun to.
The Univ. of CO didn’t take his statements lightly and updated their campus concealed carry FAQ page (http://www.colorado.edu/node/1483543) with the following:
Q | Can faculty ask a student who holds a concealed carry permit to report that status to them?
While faculty can ask a student who has a concealed carry weapon permit to report that status to them, or place in a course syllabus the request that students report this status to them, students are not required to provide this information to any faculty member. Any voluntary reporting of concealed carry permit status by a student to a faculty member should be done privately. Faculty should not, under any circumstances, coerce students into complying with their requests or pressure them to answer concealed carry queries.
If you wish to place something related to this in your course syllabus, below is some suggested language:
“Concealed carry of firearms is permitted under Colorado law if you have a concealed carry permit. I would appreciate it if you would let me know this privately during the first week of class. You have my assurance that your concealed carry status will be kept confidential, and it will in no way affect your grade or evaluation as a student. I recognize you are under no obligation to supply me with this information.”
Sounds like Univ of CO administrators are respecting the rights of their students to keep and bear arms.
jackthewall81
08-25-2012, 20:21
Go Buffs!
the pressure finally forced them to give in...for now. I still don't like the libtards running the place, the libtards teaching the youth at the place.
I think if CU wouldn't have stepped in on this there would of been a hell of a law suit. Freakin CU needs to get their heads out of their [Rant2]!
Side steeping the off campus segregation for CCW holders. I agree that they were going to get another lawsuit if they didn't do something about that physics professor.
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2012, 21:36
If they demanded to know who was carrying on campus ,The Pandoras box it would open.............
Of course keeping anyone 'SEGREGATED" reeks of ..............Racism.
james_bond_007
08-25-2012, 21:39
If they demanded to know who was carrying on campus ,The Pandoras box it would open.............
Of course keeping anyone 'SEGREGATED" reeks of ..............DISCRIMINATION[007's version...].
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2012, 22:14
No Racism. 2 can play the liberal mind set game.
rockhound
08-25-2012, 22:22
Should stay out of politics, they receive public money, stay off you soap box and support the laws of the land
KevDen2005
08-25-2012, 22:25
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/university-of-colorado-says-professor-cant-discriminate-against-students-carrying-guns-to-class/
University of Colorado Says Professor Can’t Discriminate Against Students Carrying Guns to Class
Carrying on college campuses is legal in CO and the University of CO has clarified it’s position in regards to the rights of students.
Colorado physics Professor Jerry Peterson (http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/about_us/meet_us/jerry_peterson/) allegedly told a colleague that he would cancel any class he found out a student was carrying a gun to.
The Univ. of CO didn’t take his statements lightly and updated their campus concealed carry FAQ page (http://www.colorado.edu/node/1483543) with the following:
Q | Can faculty ask a student who holds a concealed carry permit to report that status to them?
While faculty can ask a student who has a concealed carry weapon permit to report that status to them, or place in a course syllabus the request that students report this status to them, students are not required to provide this information to any faculty member. Any voluntary reporting of concealed carry permit status by a student to a faculty member should be done privately. Faculty should not, under any circumstances, coerce students into complying with their requests or pressure them to answer concealed carry queries.
If you wish to place something related to this in your course syllabus, below is some suggested language:
“Concealed carry of firearms is permitted under Colorado law if you have a concealed carry permit. I would appreciate it if you would let me know this privately during the first week of class. You have my assurance that your concealed carry status will be kept confidential, and it will in no way affect your grade or evaluation as a student. I recognize you are under no obligation to supply me with this information.”
Sounds like Univ of CO administrators are respecting the rights of their students to keep and bear arms.
Case law is an amazing thing. CU's lawyers certainly advised them on how to handle that appropriately. I would like to see faculty carrying more as well.
The average libtard/academic will be baffled by this decision... Hell, the sheeple will be terrified so stand by for re-attack.
Anyhow, somewhere/somehow CU leadership figured it out and THEY LOST big time and are HOPEFULLY done fighting this issue.
BIG ? there, huh?
B2
For posterity/before it gets edited/disappeared: http://www.colorado.edu/node/1483543
14 basic questions on concealed carry at CU-Boulder
August 22, 2012
Following the Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling in March that the CU Board of Regents lacks the authority to regulate concealed weapons on campus under the Colorado Concealed Carry Act, and with added news coverage of related issues this week, we have prepared this Question & Answer page to provide further clarification on how the law works on the campus.
Q | What concealed carry guidelines are permit holders required to follow, to sufficiently conceal a weapon in the workplace? What must a person do to obtain a concealed carry permit?
The law does not define what concealed means, but permit holders must make a reasonable attempt to keep the concealed weapon from view. There are a number of requirements to obtain a concealed carry permit in Colorado. These are covered in this Boulder County Sheriff’s Department Q&A, which is also linked at the bottom of this page: http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwpfaqs.aspx
Q | What weapons are covered under the concealed carry permit?
Only handguns are covered by the statute. A handgun is a pistol, revolver, or other firearm the length of the barrel of which, not including any revolving, detachable, or magazine breech, does not exceed twelve inches. Other weapons – rifles, semi-automatic weapons, knives and other edged weapons – are still not permitted on campus.
Q | Can an employee bring a concealed weapon to the office?
Yes, if the employee has a valid concealed carry permit and the weapon is carried in accordance with the law, i.e., concealed.
Q | Can an appointing authority or supervisor request a list of employees who have received a concealed carry permit?
No. This information is not a matter of public record.
Q | Are there certain areas of the campus, due to the nature of the work and/or workspace, where an employee would be prohibited from carrying a concealed weapon (e.g. lab with flammable chemicals, daycare centers, offices and treatment facilities like the Faculty and Staff Assistance Program, Counseling and Psychological Services, and Wardenburg Health Center)?
No. There are no “carve outs” under the statute for those who have a concealed carry permit. CU employees in these areas who have clients that hold concealed carry permits are free to ask their clients not to bring weapons into these environments, however, provision of care and resources cannot be conditioned upon compliance with the request, nor can the request be made in a coercive manner. Clients are also free to decline the request.
Q | Under what circumstances can an appointing authority or supervisor tell his/her employees they cannot bring a concealed weapon into the office?
There are no circumstances in which issuing this kind of directive would be permitted. Appointing authorities and supervisors may ask all employees to voluntarily not bring legal concealed carry weapons into the workplace, but they cannot require it or otherwise coerce their employee(s) through the workplace relationship to comply with the request.
Q | Can employees bring a concealed weapon to a meeting (e.g. staff meetings, disciplinary meetings, performance coaching and evaluation meetings, trainings, campus resource consultations, interviews)?
Yes, if the employee has a valid concealed carry permit and the weapon is carried in accordance with the law, i.e., concealed. For assistance in any situation of concern, such as a performance review, please contact the Office of Human Resources at the link below.
Q | Are there any exceptions?
No
Q | Who has the authority to ask an employee who is carrying a concealed weapon if s/he has the appropriate permit?
Anyone is permitted to ask, but the individual asked is not required to reply unless asked by a police officer.
Q | If an employee sees another employee carrying a weapon, should s/he call the police?
Yes, the safest course of action here is to call the University of Colorado Police by dialing “911.” They will respond and make contact with an individual to determine if that person has a concealed carry permit and is carrying a weapon legitimately or brandishing it illegally. All concealed carry permit holders are required to carry their permits on their person if they are also carrying their weapon.
Q | What does it mean to “brandish” a weapon? If an employee is brandishing a weapon, what actions should be taken?
“Brandishing” is displaying a weapon in a threatening manner. If you see anyone brandishing a weapon, call the Police at “911” immediately and take precautions to protect yourself (i.e., evacuate the area or retreat behind a locked door, depending on the circumstances).
Q | What responsibility does a concealed carry permit holder have to keep his/her weapon absolutely concealed? Are they violating the terms of their permit if someone gets a glimpse of their weapon?
A person with a concealed carry permit must take reasonable measures to conceal the weapon. For example, if a person’s coat opens in the act of raising his/her arm to ask a question and a gun can be seen, it is not a violation. A violation would be a person taking a gun out of concealment or otherwise displaying/brandishing it.
Q | Can a student who legally possesses a concealed handgun be excluded from the classroom on the grounds that the student’s presence and his or her concealed weapon constitutes a class disruption?
No. The mere act of carrying a handgun (with a concealed carry permit as authorized by law) is not in and of itself a disruption of class activity. Concealed carry permit holders should not be excluded from class under any supposition that their presence alone is a “disruption.” Another person’s adverse reaction to someone carrying a handgun in accordance with the concealed carry act is not grounds to eject the permit-holder from the classroom.
Q | Can faculty ask a student who holds a concealed carry permit to report that status to them?
While faculty can ask a student who has a concealed carry weapon permit to report that status to them, or place in a course syllabus the request that students report this status to them, students are not required to provide this information to any faculty member. Any voluntary reporting of concealed carry permit status by a student to a faculty member should be done privately. Faculty should not, under any circumstances, coerce students into complying with their requests or pressure them to answer concealed carry queries.
If you wish to place something related to this in your course syllabus, below is some suggested language:
“Concealed carry of firearms is permitted under Colorado law if you have a concealed carry permit. I would appreciate it if you would let me know this privately during the first week of class. You have my assurance that your concealed carry status will be kept confidential, and it will in no way affect your grade or evaluation as a student. I recognize you are under no obligation to supply me with this information.”
In closing:
CU leadership remains very committed, in the face of this state law, to maintaining a safe work and learning environment. We will not tolerate any threatening use of concealed carry weapons, nor any other weapons. Please be aware that carrying a legal, concealed weapon is not, in and of its self, a disruptive or threatening act. Be advised that the campus is obliged to follow this law to the letter and is not at liberty to enact policies or provisions that violate it. Any changes to the law would have to come through the state legislative process. For more helpful resources on safety, law enforcement, and workplace issues, please visit:
University of Colorado Police Department Weapons page
http://police.colorado.edu/services/weapons-campus
Boulder County Sheriff’s Department Q&A on Concealed Carry
http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwpfaqs.aspx
Department of Human Resources, Office of Labor Relations
http://hr.colorado.edu/Pages/default.aspx
303-492- 0956
Great-Kazoo
08-26-2012, 03:04
But how does CU really feel? I believe this part of the first sentence says it all.
in the face of this state law
Bailey Guns
08-26-2012, 06:27
My favorite part of the Q&A:
Q | Are there any exceptions?
No
They should clear up the part about how semi-automatic weapons aren't allowed to be carried.
I think that Q&A only needs to be about 2/3 as long as it is. They have the same question in there written about 5 different ways.
james_bond_007
08-26-2012, 14:28
CU HAD a policy that banned CCW related weapons in residence halls
http://police.colorado.edu/services/weapons-campus
Weapons on Campus
The Laws of the Regents (https://www.cu.edu/regents/Policies/Policy14I.htm) and Colorado Revised Statute 18-12-105.5 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=c762870d5e7a794ecfc80dcddcc207f0&csvc=toc2doc&cform=searchForm&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzV-zSkAl&_md5=ce0a981b0cc25020b2cd08d26ef4fdbb) make it unlawful to carry weapons while on the grounds of the University of Colorado. Those who are age 21 and over and possess a valid concealed carry weapons permit (http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwp.aspx) (CCW) may have concealed weapons on campus. This is in accord with a March 2012 Colorado Supreme Court ruling.
The CU Board of Regents policy prevents the open display of weapons, including guns, explosives and knives on campus. Only law enforcement officials who display their badges are allowed to openly display weapons while on campus. Under concealed carry, anyone with a permit may carry a concealed handgun on campus generally and into CU buildings, with the exception of Folsom Field and any other ticketed public performance venue. The purchase of a ticket to a CU public performance constitutes an agreement with the university to not carry a concealed weapon, even as a CCW permit holder, into the venue.
Furthermore, University of Colorado Boulder housing regulations do not permit the storing of weapons in residence halls. As a convenience, the University Police Department provides weapons storage facilities with 24-hour access for university-housed students.
In addition to possible criminal penalties, any weapons violations on or off campus may result in either suspension from, or severance of the relationship with, the university. This policy applies within or upon the grounds, buildings, or any other facilities of the university.
For more details on weapons rules for on-campus housing, please see this August 16, 2012 CU news release (http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/08/16/cu-boulder-announces-conditions-weapons-university-housing). [reprinted below]
but now has attempted to accommodate permit holders ...
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/08/16/cu-boulder-announces-conditions-weapons-university-housing
CU-Boulder announces conditions for weapons in university housing
August 16, 2012
The University of Colorado Boulder today announced it is amending housing contracts to ask students who live in undergraduate residence halls and hold a Colorado concealed carry permit, or CCP, to forgo bringing a handgun to campus. The campus also will accommodate those who hold a CCP in a graduate student housing complex off the main campus, provided the permit holders store their weapon in a safe within their dwelling when they are not carrying it.
The university also is asking residence advisers and faculty who live in university housing to sign the same housing agreement as a condition of their residence in these facilities.
The actions follow a ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court on March 5, which allows individuals with state-issued concealed carry permits to carry handguns on university or college properties. The University of Colorado Board of Regents last spring delegated the authority to the chancellors of CU-Boulder and CU-Colorado Springs to create a process to implement the Colorado Supreme Court ruling in the campus residence environment.
“I believe we have taken reasonable steps to adhere to the ruling of the Colorado Supreme Court, while balancing that with the priority of providing a safe environment for our students, faculty and staff,” said CU-Boulder Chancellor Philip P. DiStefano.
The approach would only affect, potentially, a very small number of individuals. An analysis by the University of Colorado shows that 0.6 percent of the faculty, staff and students on campus possess a CCP. A full 96 percent of CU-Boulder undergraduate students living in the residence halls are under the age of 21, and are thus ineligible to have a CCP. Of the 4 percent of eligible students, about half living on campus are CU Resident Advisers, or “RAs,” who as CU employees would not be permitted to live in undergraduate halls and possess a CCP. Residence hall students who have a concealed carry permit or who obtain a concealed carry permit under Colorado law during the housing contract period may seek to be relocated to a University Apartment (if space is available) or be released from the residence hall contract without financial penalty.
Among the requirements for Colorado concealed carry permits are that the holder must be at least 21 years of age, complete an FBI background check, and have either previous military or police experience or proof of completion of a firearms training course.
Residence hall students may still store weapons at the University of Colorado Police Department on campus, which is open and available for drop off and pick up of weapons, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
CU-Boulder will continue to follow the CU Board of Regents policy that prevents the open display of weapons including guns, explosives and knives on campus. Only law enforcement officials who display their badges are allowed to openly display weapons while on campus.
Under concealed carry, anyone with a permit may carry a concealed handgun on campus generally and into CU buildings, with the exception of Folsom Field and any other ticketed public performance venue. The purchase of a ticket to a CU public performance constitutes an agreement with the university to not carry a concealed weapon, even as a CCP holder, into the venue.
Students begin moving into CU-Boulder residence halls on Tuesday, Aug. 21, and classes begin for the semester on Aug. 27.
Contact:
Bronson Hilliard, CU-Boulder spokesperson, 303-735-6183
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