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james_bond_007
08-26-2012, 09:50
CSU weapons policy unchanged amid controversy at CU

4:15 PM, Aug 23, 2012 |
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[URL="http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120823/NEWS01/308230035/CSU-weapons-policy-unchanged-amid-controversy-CU?odyssey=nav%7Chead"]http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120823/NEWS01/308230035/CSU-weapons-policy-unchanged-amid-controversy-CU?odyssey=nav|head (http://www.coloradoan.com/comments/article/20120823/NEWS01/308230035/CSU-weapons-policy-unchanged-amid-controversy-CU)CSU has no plans to change its weapons policy amid controversial discussions about rules at CU.On Wednesday, CU Chancellor Phil DiStefano told faculty members they had no right to cancel classes if one of their students is lawfully carrying a gun, according to an article by the Associated Press. His announcement came about after Professor Jerry Peterson said he would do so if he found out that one of his students brought a gun to class.
Students can’t bring their guns into Boulder campus dorms, but concealed carry permit holders are allowed to keep weapons into a limited number of family housing units.
CU Regulations also ban concealed carry permit holders from bringing guns to ticketed events. The same is true at CSU, where weapons aren’t allowed at Moby Arena or Hughes Stadium during events, spokesman Mike Hooker said.
CSU doesn’t have a written policy on carrying concealed handguns on campus; instead, the university observes state law, which allows a person to carry a concealed handgun if they hold a permit issued by a Colorado sheriff.
Weapons — whether BB guns, knives, nunchucks or throwing stars — are prohibited in CSU dorms and apartments.Those living in CSU housing must store their weapons at the on-campus CSU Police Department.
There, weapons are accessible 24 hours a day, Hooker said. A CSU flyer, with answers to frequently asked questions about weapons on campus, states that it’s “preferred” that owners claim their possessions between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m.
Hooker said CSU’s current policy, which has been in place since 2008, strikes a balance between “protecting the safety of students and protecting the rights of people.”
CU’s governing board once considered banning concealed-weapon permit holders from bringing guns to campus. The Supreme Court in March, though, ruled against the university, prompting officials to review contractual agreements for students who live in dorms and family housing units.
CSU faced a similar situation when gun owners sued the university after its governing board banned weapons on campus. The lawsuit was dropped in spring 2010 after the Board of Governors voluntarily rescinded the ban.
As CU policy talks have attracted media attention, Hooker said no discussions about change have come about at CSU.
“Yes, we watch issues at other campuses. ...,” he said. “But at this point, it doesn’t seem that CSU needs to change or adopt policies that are happening at CU.”

Great-Kazoo
08-26-2012, 09:55
This is mostly due to CSU employees writing letters and e-mails to Tony Frank, expressing our concerns, when they tried to do away with CCW 2? years ago. OK RMGO had a hand too.
However the CSUPD Cheif has a strong dislike for "civilians" carrying, especially on campus.

james_bond_007
08-26-2012, 10:09
Question:

It is clear that students cannot have weapons in the dorms/housing.

http://www.housing.colostate.edu/halls/handbook/policies/weapons.htm

What about visitors, staff, administrators, and/or faculty?
( I know this is probably better answered by CSU...but I can't find anything on their website right now).

When moving my kids in to the dorms this year, I saw no indications (i.e no postings, signs, etc.) that weapons were prohibited.

Any help on this is appreciated...

Great-Kazoo
08-26-2012, 12:06
Question:

It is clear that students cannot have weapons in the dorms/housing.

http://www.housing.colostate.edu/halls/handbook/policies/weapons.htm

What about visitors, staff, administrators, and/or faculty?
( I know this is probably better answered by CSU...but I can't find anything on their website right now).

When moving my kids in to the dorms this year, I saw no indications (i.e no postings, signs, etc.) that weapons were prohibited.

Any help on this is appreciated...


No problem you have a valid CCW and ccw is recognized on campus. CSUPD will give you a vague answer based on Chief Wendy's dislike for guns. I think we might have a csupd as a board member.

james_bond_007
08-26-2012, 14:01
No problem you have a valid CCW and ccw is recognized on campus. CSUPD will give you a vague answer based on Chief Wendy's dislike for guns. I think we might have a csupd as a board member.

I understand, but find it odd in the same way I find the employee ban for CCW at many companies odd (1-sided)

At CSU, the residents (even with a valid CCW) are not allowed to have any weapons in the dorms/CSU housing, but the visitors (ex. often "strangers" to the CSU community) can carry, with a valid CCW permit (legally), in the same environment.

At companies, employees (even with a valid CCW) are often banned from CCW, but visiting reps, suppliers, interviewees, etc.(ex. again, often "strangers" to the corporate community) can carry, with a valid CCW permit (legally), in the same environment.

In both cases, there are no security measures in place to ensure enforcement of these policies nor is there sufficient security staff on site to provide protection to those that adhere to the "honor system" and follow the policies.

My concern is not whether weapons are allowed or prohibited, but rather the 1-sidedness of the policies.

These two cases seem to parallel the circumstances of a most unfortunate recent event.

I do understand that both parties (CSU and companies) are within the laws available to private property owners (albeit CSU housing is considered a landlord/tenant situation), and don't suggest to deny them their rights; however, it would seem more consistent if the policies were applied to ALL and consistently/properly enforced, rather than in the 1-sided manner they exist.

But I'm diverging from the topic ....sorry.

Great-Kazoo
08-26-2012, 16:38
I understand, but find it odd in the same way I find the employee ban for CCW at many companies odd (1-sided)

At CSU, the residents (even with a valid CCW) are not allowed to have any weapons in the dorms/CSU housing, but the visitors (ex. often "strangers" to the CSU community) can carry, with a valid CCW permit (legally), in the same environment.

At companies, employees (even with a valid CCW) are often banned from CCW, but visiting reps, suppliers, interviewees, etc.(ex. again, often "strangers" to the corporate community) can carry, with a valid CCW permit (legally), in the same environment.

In both cases, there are no security measures in place to ensure enforcement of these policies nor is there sufficient security staff on site to provide protection to those that adhere to the "honor system" and follow the policies.

My concern is not whether weapons are allowed or prohibited, but rather the 1-sidedness of the policies.

These two cases seem to parallel the circumstances of a most unfortunate recent event.

I do understand that both parties (CSU and companies) are within the laws available to private property owners (albeit CSU housing is considered a landlord/tenant situation), and don't suggest to deny them their rights; however, it would seem more consistent if the policies were applied to ALL and consistently/properly enforced, rather than in the 1-sided manner they exist.

But I'm diverging from the topic ....sorry.


Write letters, phone calls and e-mails. Unless they are aware how you feel it's a moot point. Of course we know "they" could care less since a gun free zone, is a safe zone.

Big Wall
08-26-2012, 18:20
"Hooker said CSU’s current policy, which has been in place since 2008, strikes a balance between “protecting the safety of students and protecting the rights of people.”

This sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Ronin13
08-27-2012, 10:19
"Hooker said CSU’s current policy, which has been in place since 2008, strikes a balance between “protecting the safety of students and protecting the rights of people.”

This sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Yep. Like Ben Franklin said: "He who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither."