View Full Version : VENDOR SHOOTS OWN WIFE AT GUNSHOW
irishmtnmn
08-27-2012, 08:48
Dunno if you guys saw the news...but here are the ACTUAL facts.
I know.....because I was there.
Rock Springs, Wyoming. Friday 7:10 pm. Gun Show.
The show had just closed at 7:00pm.
A vendor put a fully loaded magazine into his AR-10 in order to "take his guns home" overnight and return with them the following morning.
The gun was improperly secured with a zip-tie which was depressing the trigger.
He dropped the safety.
The gun discharged.
The round went through the table-then through his wife's knee and out the back of her leg.
The bullet then struck the floor and fragmented.
She was flown to Salt Lake City due to the extent of her wound as Rock Springs, Wyoming does not have a trauma center capable of properly dealing with said injury.
Woman survived.
Police removed the vendor and his property. Vendor banned from all future gun shows.
My Personal Opinion:
*There is 24 hour security at all gun shows. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to remove guns from the table overnight.
*Loading a gun or have a loaded magazine at a gun show is against the rules.
*This guy is a moron.
Had this gone down 15 minutes earlier-with customers in the aisles.....many more people could have been injured or killed.
He should have known better and I am glad he is banned....I am also glad my tables were a good 30 yards away from his.
Unbelievable stupidity. It's too bad he didn't shoot his own foot.
hghclsswhitetrsh
08-27-2012, 08:50
Unbelievable. What an idiot.
funkymonkey1111
08-27-2012, 09:16
on a related note--i used to love the friday night openings on gun shows. wonder why that doesn't happen around here?
Chad4000
08-27-2012, 09:20
wow.... sometimes we cant get out of our own way ya know... lol
alan0269
08-27-2012, 09:21
Doesn't sound quite right. Why put a loaded mag (against gun show rules on both the loaded magazine and the loaded firearm) into it just to take it home, and why would he need to take the safety off to transport a firearm that he just loaded? Doesn't make sense, but then I guess what a lot of people do now days doesn't make any sense. I hope his wife ends up being OK, and I wonder what he'll be charged with.
firefighter238
08-27-2012, 09:23
What an idiot! Too bad the bullet didn't hit him instead.
he must have chambered a round also....maybe wanted to do a combat pawn and run some tactical parking lot drills :D
DD977GM2
08-27-2012, 09:36
This is exactly why I do not go to gun shows. To many retards not using the 4 Rules [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
he must have chambered a round also....maybe wanted to do a combat pawn and run some tactical parking lot drills :D
[ROFL2]
he must have chambered a round also....maybe wanted to do a combat pawn and run some tactical parking lot drills :D
Yeah, the story didn't make much sense... first when you load a magazine into a firearm, if you don't chamber a round, then when the safety is removed there is still an empty chamber. Why would he lock and load to transport? And also, why would you insert a loaded magazine into a weapon you are simply transporting?
BushMasterBoy
08-27-2012, 10:12
Count me out of shooting ranges, gun shows, theaters, New York City, etc.
Yeah, the story didn't make much sense... first when you load a magazine into a firearm, if you don't chamber a round, then when the safety is removed there is still an empty chamber. Why would he lock and load to transport? And also, why would you insert a loaded magazine into a weapon you are simply transporting?
Thats what i was thinking. There has to be more to this story. Even if the chamber is loaded, when you disengage the safety the gun dosent fire, and if the trigger was zip tied back it would still have to be released then pulled for the gun to go off.
spqrzilla
08-27-2012, 10:29
The story related by the OP is mechanically impossible.
RCCrawler
08-27-2012, 11:18
My guess is the guys wife nagged him all day for making her sit at the show, once the show ended he had had enough, and decided to shoot her.
SideShow Bob
08-27-2012, 11:34
he must have chambered a round also....maybe wanted to do a combat pawn and run some tactical parking lot drills :D
He was going to lay down some supresive fire while advancing to his vehicle.........
.[ROFL1]
My guess is the guys wife nagged him all day for making her sit at the show, once the show ended he had had enough, and decided to shoot her.
Better explanation than the story he concocted. Straight up, either he meant to shoot his wife, or this is a whole lot of fail in one person.
NightCat
08-27-2012, 11:56
Why the hell would you put a loaded mag in anything you didnt intend to use???
why even magazine the weapon at all??
And correct me if I'm wrong but AR-10's you still have to Cycle the bolt to feed the round??
So why slap the mag, charge it, and then put it away with the trigger zip-tied...
Dafuq kinda moron does that
i think i know what happened... Maybe it was the new fullauto open bolt ar10 from ND-Co.
two shoes
08-27-2012, 13:01
The saddest part is someone else has to suffer for this guy's stupidity.
hollohas
08-27-2012, 13:35
The guy is lying. And how the hell do NDs at gunshows happen so frequently? That's why I don't go. One ND at a gunshow I was at a few years ago was enough for me.
Wonder if that was on his "Honey Do list".
Bootifus
08-27-2012, 13:42
There are so many things that don't add up about this.
hollohas
08-27-2012, 13:45
Man, this is so dumb that I had to post again. I don't think his story is true (because as described it is mechanically impossible) but even if it is...
guy loads mag into gun
guy chambers round
guy removes safety
while trigger depressed...
Yup, those are the textbook steps to make a gun fire. What the hell did he think was going to happen?!?!?! F'in dipshit. And he is saying he did each step intentionally. Where's the accident?
So sorry for his wife.
Great-Kazoo
08-27-2012, 14:49
The story related by the OP is mechanically impossible.
Looks like 2 of us know this, waiting to see how long it takes for others to catch it.
More events would have needed to happen for the AR10 to fire. Trigger held down would have disconnected the sear...Sounds like Mr. ND failed on at least 3 of 4...
eneranch
08-27-2012, 15:28
Being fairly new to AR 15's I have a lot to learn, but on mine, you can not engage the safety until after you charge the weapon. Is this correct??
Circuits
08-27-2012, 15:32
The events given account for the discharge, presuming the "shooter" charged the rifle.
Rifle on safe, with bolt locked back, and then a ziptie applied to the trigger. In this condition, the rifle is cocked, but the trigger is sandwiched between the ziptie and safety selector.
Insert magazine. May or may not have deliberately pressed bolt bolt release, but bolt goes forward, chambering a round. Gun is still cocked and trigger is sandwiched between the ziptie and safety selector.
Flip off safe - ziptie wins, hammer falls, round discharges.
hollohas
08-27-2012, 16:58
Flip off safe - ziptie wins, hammer falls, round discharges.
Yup, flipping the safety off as soon as I charge a weapon is what I always do too...especially when I'm indoors.
[insert sarcastic smiley]
porfiriozg
08-27-2012, 17:31
WTF thats messed up
Pretty sure it is illegal to transport any rifle or long gun with a round in the chamber, learned that over 20 twenty years ago in hunters safety class.
Yup, flipping the safety off as soon as I charge a weapon is what I always do too...especially when I'm indoors...at a gunshow...where loaded weapons are verboten...while I have the muzzle pointed at my wife...[M2]...
[insert sarcastic smiley]
Fixored...[Tooth][Stooge]
WOW! This guy deserves the Dumbass of the Year award! [Rant2]
Dunno if you guys saw the news...but here are the ACTUAL facts.
I know.....because I was there.
Rock Springs, Wyoming. Friday 7:10 pm. Gun Show.
The show had just closed at 7:00pm.
A vendor put a fully loaded magazine into his AR-10 in order to "take his guns home" overnight and return with them the following morning.
The gun was improperly secured with a zip-tie which was depressing the trigger.
He dropped the safety.
The gun discharged.
The round went through the table-then through his wife's knee and out the back of her leg.
The bullet then struck the floor and fragmented.
She was flown to Salt Lake City due to the extent of her wound as Rock Springs, Wyoming does not have a trauma center capable of properly dealing with said injury.
Woman survived.
Police removed the vendor and his property. Vendor banned from all future gun shows.
My Personal Opinion:
*There is 24 hour security at all gun shows. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to remove guns from the table overnight.
*Loading a gun or have a loaded magazine at a gun show is against the rules.
*This guy is a moron.
Had this gone down 15 minutes earlier-with customers in the aisles.....many more people could have been injured or killed.
He should have known better and I am glad he is banned....I am also glad my tables were a good 30 yards away from his.
Unbelievable stupidity. It's too bad he didn't shoot his own foot.
Reread this and nothing was even said about a round being chambered just a loaded mag put into the rifle. Oh well...put my own foot in my mouth!
irishmtnmn
08-28-2012, 08:01
The saddest part is someone else has to suffer for this guy's stupidity.
Trust me......there was other suffering! The article about the A.D. came out in the paper the next day.
Virtually nobody came to the show on Sunday. This show only happens three times a year-and it is normally packed.
Idiot shot his wife....and killed the show.
irishmtnmn
08-28-2012, 08:03
WOW! This guy deserves the Dumbass of the Year award! [Rant2]
Hopefully he will be nominated.
irishmtnmn
08-28-2012, 08:07
Thats what i was thinking. There has to be more to this story. Even if the chamber is loaded, when you disengage the safety the gun dosent fire, and if the trigger was zip tied back it would still have to be released then pulled for the gun to go off.
Theory.....that we at the show, collectively agreed upon-was that he never cleared the gun in the first place.....and it hot during the whole show. Ponder this......he has a round in the chamber.....puts the zip tie around the trigger (STUPID IN ITSELF)...safety is on.......when he flips the safety off...it fires.
DD977GM2
08-28-2012, 08:18
Trust me......there was other suffering! The article about the A.D. came out in the paper the next day.
Virtually nobody came to the show on Sunday. This show only happens three times a year-and it is normally packed.
Idiot shot his wife....and killed the show.
Honesstly that is the way it should be when a ND happens. Hopefully the event people will
ensure the next event has better eyes on people and their stupidity. I dont feel a damn bit
sorry for them except the Wife who has to go through the BS she is going through.
I don't know anything about AR rifles, but it sounds like he was doing what he usually does, and forgot he had the trigger ziptied.
Trust me......there was other suffering! The article about the A.D. came out in the paper the next day.
Virtually nobody came to the show on Sunday. This show only happens three times a year-and it is normally packed.
Idiot shot his wife....and killed the show.yep a round goes off and it will always kill the show (guy next to me let one fly 2 shows ago and that was the end of sales for everyone .
I think I will be experimenting with my AR the next time I'm at the range.
As many have pointed out, it doesn't seem likely to have a discharge just by flipping the safety to fire.
IMO, if the cops can't replicate the sequence the negligent vendor used to cause the discharge, he should be charged with Aggravated Assault.
Be safe.
Pretty sure it is illegal to transport any rifle or long gun with a round in the chamber, learned that over 20 twenty years ago in hunters safety class.
Depends, not sure what WY laws on that are, but CO states you cannot have it loaded while transporting. And Federal law says you cannot cross state lines with a loaded rifle in transport.
Circuits
08-28-2012, 11:04
Depends, not sure what WY laws on that are, but CO states you cannot have it loaded while transporting. And Federal law says you cannot cross state lines with a loaded rifle in transport.
Nope. Federal law doesn't forbid it, it just does not grant "safe harbor" from individual state laws for transport unless it's unloaded.
*This guy is a moron.
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