Romney Speech

[GilpinGuy]

I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, he's a politician and will tell us anything he thinks will get votes, but it was well done I think.

The "Obama promised to slow the rising of the seas" and "cure the planet" lines were great, IMHO.

[Sharpienads]

I thought it was pretty good. Would've been better if he mentioned things like the Constitution, rule of law, individual sovereignty and liberty.

[sniper7]

still has my vote[Beer]

[Colorado Luckydog]

I think he is the real deal. He is not there for the money, he loves America. I can't believe that we have to worry about him not winning. The amount fuckholes that would still vote for OBAMALAMADINGDONG, is freaking scary!

[TEAMRICO]

Wait til next week when the DNC circus comes to town. Abortion, contraceptives, amnesty, gays, blahh blahh blahh.....
If you can be convinced by BHO next week to vote for him over Romney then I don't know what to say.

Did you notice the families with small children in the crowd? You won't see that with the DNC crowd, children and babies are banned from their convention.

[brutal]

I did think Ann Coulter's comment was especially ignorant. She alienated any 18-21 year old that may have been watching and is undecided. Stupid c***

[Rooskibar03]

Home Friggen Run.

Nicely done Mittens, nicely done.

[GilpinGuy]

I did think Ann Coulter's comment was especially ignorant. She alienated any 18-21 year old that may have been watching and is undecided. Stupid c***

I guess I was putting the 7 yo to bed when she was on because I missed that. I like her, even though she is a bomb thrower. We need more bomb throwers to combat the onslaught from the leftist media.

Each side has their "radical" spokesmen or spokeswomen. Ann is one of the few on our side. I don't agree with everything she says, but on balance she's awesome IMHO.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think he is the real deal. He is not there for the money, he loves America. I can't believe that we have to worry about him not winning. The amount fuckholes that would still vote for OBAMALAMADINGDONG, is freaking scary!


Sorry, you're delusional . He's a professional politician, say it to get elected, then the song changes.
He is not a lock yet or will be at all. You tell a lie enough times and it becomes the truth. The DNC, Soros, michael moores of the country are spreading the 1% of their elite money to everyone who is undecided who to vote for. They have school buses, vans carpools ready to push, pull or drag anything that breaths and can pull a lever in on election night.
These are the same people telling the country the REPUBLICANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE POOR AND UNDERPRIVILEGED. You know the ones who don't have ID but will damn sure be voting for O in NOV. They do not want to loose the gravy train that has been running since the mid sixties. Which BTW i wager a solid 75% (easy) of their families have been on for generations.

[Ronin13]

I thought he did a fantastic job. He attacked the right points, and he said some very true things such as:
"He had almost no experience working in a business. Jobs to him are about government."
"That is why every president since the Great Depression who came before the American people asking for a second term could look back at the last four years and say with satisfaction: “you are better off today than you were four years ago.” Except Jimmy Carter. And except this president." [ROFL1] "...But this president cannot tell us that YOU are better off today than when he took office. America has been patient. Americans have supported this president in good faith.
But today, the time has come to turn the page.
Today the time has come for us to put the disappointments of the last four years behind us."

I think Romney will help the jobs issue a lot, he's a businessman, he knows how to get that done- He'll open up the keystone pipeline, he'll allow drilling again, and I honestly think he will push for us to become energy independent. I hate to advocate religion, but I think his upbringing around all that Mormon charity and helping each other ideals can only help. He won't be the best president, that's for sure, but he'll be a hell of a lot better than Beeho. He's got my vote.

[GilpinGuy]

He won't be the best president, that's for sure, but he'll be a hell of a lot better than Beeho. He's got my vote.

BINGO! [Beer]

[Delfuego]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]

[sniper7]

Sorry, you're delusional . He's a professional politician, say it to get elected, then the song changes.
He is not a lock yet or will be at all. You tell a lie enough times and it becomes the truth. The DNC, Soros, michael moores of the country are spreading the 1% of their elite money to everyone who is undecided who to vote for. They have school buses, vans carpools ready to push, pull or drag anything that breaths and can pull a lever in on election night.
These are the same people telling the country the REPUBLICANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE POOR AND UNDERPRIVILEGED. You know the ones who don't have ID but will damn sure be voting for O in NOV. They do not want to loose the gravy train that has been running since the mid sixties. Which BTW i wager a solid 75% (easy) of their families have been on for generations.

I was just talking with my neighbor about this very thing. Talking about DC, Detroit, parts of atlanta, new orleans, etc. There are literally professional leeches, who pass down the ways of living off the government for nothing, not working, getting everything handed to them. Yeah sure they still suffer, they suffer the loss of their children to gang violence, they don't have the "nice things" but they don't do a damn thing for the stuff they have.

[GilpinGuy]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]

ALL?

Don't lump ALL of us a into one group like the lefties do bro. Thank you very much. [Rant1]

[tmckay2]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]

not really sheep. most don't like romney much, but hes about 10000000000x better than a second term from obama. as such, most of us have to put our support behind him.

[Ronin13]

not really sheep. most don't like romney much, but hes about 10000000000x better than a second term from obama. as such, most of us have to put our support behind him.

THIS! Wake up, smell the tradition... this is not the year to picket for a shaking up of the system... Gosh, I have deja vu, I swear I've said this way more times than I need to but I guess it just doesn't sink in. Anyone would be better than Obama, but Romney is the only candidate with a shot at winning, just because some people scream "vote with your conscience" doesn't mean everyone is gonna go "huh? Okay!"

[GilpinGuy]

THIS! Wake up, smell the tradition... this is not the year to picket for a shaking up of the system... Gosh, I have deja vu, I swear I've said this way more times than I need to but I guess it just doesn't sink in. Anyone would be better than Obama, but Romney is the only candidate with a shot at winning, just because some people scream "vote with your conscience" doesn't mean everyone is gonna go "huh? Okay!"

This is the key point. If you don't like Obama but vote for anyone other that Romney, YOU'RE VOTING FOR OBAMA! That's one vote away from defeating Obama.

Romney is is the the ONLY chance we have against Obama right now, like it or not. Sorry, but that's you're only choice for a winner against Obama. You can make a "protest" vote for a libertarian, etc., if you wish but in the end it will be a vote for Obama.

You can live with that if you choose to vote Obama (or libertarian, or whatever). I won't have to.

[tmckay2]

on that note, i am all for raising a challenger to go against romney in 2016. but we need to at least get him in office. he may not help much but he won't hurt as bad as obama.

[BPTactical]

While I am not all that enthused about Mitt, and I feel he is a lot more "one world" government guy than we need he did one thing that cinched my vote.
He chose Ryan as his VP running mate.
Ryan is an energetic and solid conservative that has a strong sense of country, finance and constitutional foundation.
To me that provides a good balance between the two.
This also speaks well of Mitt from a managerial standpoint. A GOOD manager/leader chooses knowledgeable and capable individuals to be their subordinates.
Ryan is a good start.

Now look at the scum bag cum catchers that the son of a communist bitch who sits in the chair now surrounded himself with: Cass Sunstein, Van Jones, Rahm Emmanuel, Valerie Jarrett, David Axlerod etc..

Any questions?

[JoeT]

he's a douche....but the guy he's running against is GIANT douche

[Bailey Guns]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]

Yawn... If you're going to insult ALL of us, at least try to come up with something original.

[DD977GM2]

I thought he did a fantastic job. He attacked the right points, and he said some very true things such as:
"He had almost no experience working in a business. Jobs to him are about government."
"That is why every president since the Great Depression who came before the American people asking for a second term could look back at the last four years and say with satisfaction: “you are better off today than you were four years ago.” Except Jimmy Carter. And except this president." [ROFL1] "...But this president cannot tell us that YOU are better off today than when he took office. America has been patient. Americans have supported this president in good faith.
But today, the time has come to turn the page.
Today the time has come for us to put the disappointments of the last four years behind us."

I think Romney will help the jobs issue a lot, he's a businessman, he knows how to get that done- He'll open up the keystone pipeline, he'll allow drilling again, and I honestly think he will push for us to become energy independent. I hate to advocate religion, but I think his upbringing around all that Mormon charity and helping each other ideals can only help. He won't be the best president, that's for sure, but he'll be a hell of a lot better than Beeho. He's got my vote.


His Mormon background is not a bad thing with the exception of his stance on abortion and Planned Parenthood.

Im all for his Mormon background because a lot of Mormons I know have a shitton of kids and are not on welfare and
are making this world a better place with how they conduct themselves in everyday life
and what they do for the economy and country.

His bullshit stance on abortion, contraceptives and Planned Parenthood is a huge thing that is
going to lose this election for him. This would be mainly the female vote. My Wife is a Republican
and is voting 3rd party right now because of the issues
that he opposes. No other reason. Her vote is lost and one more for the dumnocrats.

SO I think he needs to shut his hole on it and say he isnt going to mess with those and
move onto more important issues that will gain votes and not alienate one whole demograpghic.

YES A 3RD PARTY VOTE IS A VOTE FOR THE DUMNOCRATS. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.
YOUR TAKING AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICANS WHEN YOU DO THAT AND YOUR NONSENSE ABOUT VOTING YOUR CONSCIENCE[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]

GUESS THOSE WHO VOTED FOR PEROT SHOWED THE REPUBLICANS WITH THEIR 19%
OF THE VOTE SHOWED EXACTLY HOW A DUMNOCRAT COULD BE ELECTED[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]

[DD977GM2]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]


He is far better then the alternative and your 3rd party vote is wasted.
So you might as well vote for obummer and be done with it.

Voting 3rd party is taking a vote and a percentage away from the REPUBLICAN party.

Yes 3rd party libertarian is a better choice, but they are not going to get elected.
So your throwing your vote away just so you can sleep better at night.
Can you sleep better at night when your firearms are taken away and have no means
to protect yourself after the dumnocratcs take our firearms away?

[Rucker61]

I was just talking with my neighbor about this very thing. Talking about DC, Detroit, parts of atlanta, new orleans, etc. There are literally professional leeches, who pass down the ways of living off the government for nothing, not working, getting everything handed to them. Yeah sure they still suffer, they suffer the loss of their children to gang violence, they don't have the "nice things" but they don't do a damn thing for the stuff they have.

Yeah, because all of those jobs in DC and Detroit, etc, just sit there with no one to take them. I'm not saying that there isn't a generational problem with the government teat, but saying that they choose not to work is a rather simplistic view. How do we encourage these people to work with no private sector jobs to offer them? The ever-present issue of childcare for these working parents is another question with no obvious answer.

[Scanker19]

How is a 3rd party vote "a vote for Obama?" Why couldn't it be a vote against. Is that not scary enough to be used in that context?

At this point if it was't for the fact there are other elections on the ballot that effect me more, I'd wipe my ass with it an put it in the trash. We're boned either way.

[Great-Kazoo]

THIS! Wake up, smell the tradition... this is not the year to picket for a shaking up of the system... Gosh, I have deja vu, I swear I've said this way more times than I need to but I guess it just doesn't sink in. Anyone would be better than Obama, but Romney is the only candidate with a shot at winning, just because some people scream "vote with your conscience" doesn't mean everyone is gonna go "huh? Okay!"


Dare i say. I will, I will. This in spades (oops) Aces.
If you vote a 3rd party the up side is you voted.
Down side is the perot factor. 4 more years of O will have every working class, blue & white alike paying an easy 1/8-1/4 of their money to entitlement .orgs that will REDISTRIBUTE the wealth, to those who could give a shit about anything. PROVIDING they are eating a slice of the pie, they will never allow us (the working folk) to be released from that obligation.
When you go to the polls (which hopefully everyone here is) Remember the money you have in your wallet, bank account OR under the mattress you want to keep. Select a 3rd party and you might as well flush it down the shitter on the way out of your voting place.

[DD977GM2]

Yeah, because all of those jobs in DC and Detroit, etc, just sit there with no one to take them. I'm not saying that there isn't a generational problem with the government teat, but saying that they choose not to work is a rather simplistic view. How do we encourage these people to work with no private sector jobs to offer them? The ever-present issue of childcare for these working parents is another question with no obvious answer.

Have you been to detroit more then just a connecting flight at Wayne County airport?
Its not a simplistic view, its the truth.

Those leeches there have no desire to work and just wanna do their dope and collect their welfare checks.

How do I know this??? I spent an entire year in that shithole working and
witnessed a lot of BS from those mother f*ckers.
The show Hardcore Pawn is 100% correct on the potrayal of the down trodden in that city.
They are worthless and will never hold a job in ANY capacity.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yeah, because all of those jobs in DC and Detroit, etc, just sit there with no one to take them. I'm not saying that there isn't a generational problem with the government teat, but saying that they choose not to work is a rather simplistic view. How do we encourage these people to work with no private sector jobs to offer them? The ever-present issue of childcare for these working parents is another question with no obvious answer.


Generational problem!!! Welfare Bill that LBJ signed was to be a short term fix to economic issues at the time. It like other .gov programs was allowed to grow bloated with regs and funding, unable to be stopped. OR want to be by the politicians who's voter base lived off of.
Why work when the gov cheese comes every month? Why excel when the options are slim (that's another issue).
You live in an urban area and succeed they call you a sell out and uncle tom. Herman Cain is a classic example, once successful he's now in whitey's camp.
Take a trip to the social services office near you, sit around for an hour or two. Observe the vehicles in the parking lot and rethink if the .gov teat folks really want to loose the free ride.

Are there people on the teat that want to be weaned off and become self sufficient? Absolutely, those people you don't see because they out there working.
One more example of freebies vs work. The hobo's sitting on every corner "begging" and waving "God Bless you" signs for helping them out.
Look down the block from the beggars...........There's a kid spinning a Horton Homes Open house sign making $10+ per hr. If you can beg, spin a sign. BUT NOOOOOOOOOO freebies and hand outs.

You're begging on the corner or sidewalk, smoking a cigarette, leaning on a $200 mountain bike with your dog on a leash. YOU AIN'T $%^&* HUNGRY
STOP SMOKING, SELL THE BIKE AND EITHER EAT THE DOG OR ADOPT IT OUT. There's $100+ per week in savings.
However people such as yourself will always "give them a little something"
Stop enabling the freeloaders Drug test them (that's another can of worms) Workfare for Welfare. Do the research, the dems have put roadblock in front of roadblock that would require .gov leeches to actually be responsible for the monies they receive.

FORGOT. DITTO WHAT DD977GM2 (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/member.php?u=2399) SAID.

Sooner or later everyone will either be working for the government
OR be supported by it.

http://regentsprep.org/regents/ushisgov/themes/reform/welfare.htm

http://patriotpost.us/opinion/9664

"By 2025, the amount of taxes we currently pay will only be enough to finance our health care programs -- Medicare and Medicaid -- Social Security, and the interest we owe on our debt," he said. "That's it. Every other national priority -- education, transportation, even our national security -- will have to be paid for with borrowed money."

^^Statement by Barak Obama.^^^

[palepainter]

Regarding Romney's position on Planned Parenthood and the war on women. It is all bullshit. Women can go anywhere they want for screening for diseases and certain cancers. The libs acts as though this is the only place they have. Even those on welfare have options like the emergency room which they all love so much. I want to reach into the tv every time I see that dumb ass ad with the ladies in their posh homes concerned about PP. As far as abortion goes, I am not one to tell anyone what to do with their bodies. Each should have to live with the consequences of their own actions.

[tmckay2]

How is a 3rd party vote "a vote for Obama?" Why couldn't it be a vote against. Is that not scary enough to be used in that context?

At this point if it was't for the fact there are other elections on the ballot that effect me more, I'd wipe my ass with it an put it in the trash. We're boned either way.

When has the third party ever been a liberal? For as much as I can't stand liberals and democrats they do one thing well, stick together. Democrats will vote for Obama on basic party principle. Ask why and many can't give you a good, well thought out question. I mean come on he hasn't done anything that has been helpful. They will vote for him just the same. If we want him out of office we have to temporarily put aside our differences and stop bitching about how horrible of a candidate mittens is and freaking vote together.

[DD977GM2]

How is a 3rd party vote "a vote for Obama?" Why couldn't it be a vote against. Is that not scary enough to be used in that context?

At this point if it was't for the fact there are other elections on the ballot that effect me more, I'd wipe my ass with it an put it in the trash. We're boned either way.

The reason it is a vote for nobama is the fact that the vote for Romney or in any other PRESIDENTIAL election
for the Republican candidate is wasted on a candidate that HAS NO CHANCE AT WINNING.
Your vote is thus , by defination, wasted on a candidate that was not going to
win in the first place and allows the close race to be decided with a "Patsy" vote, thus allowing the dumnocrat to be re-elected.
If you voted for the Republican candidate,Romney in this case, it was one vote closer to ousting
that sh*thead in the White Hosue right now.
If you truely want nobama to be defeated, suck it up and vote for the Republican.

If given a choice between a colonoscopy (voting Republican) or being butt raped (Democrat), Id gladly choose the colonoscopy.
I dont wanna have either procedure performed on me, but I will choose the lesser of 2 evils.

But by god vote that 3rd party so you can sleep better and know you did the right thing. Well you didnt do the right thing, would have been better if you didnt vote at all.

[HoneyBadger]

You people are sheep. You all were bitching about Mitt a few months ago. He'll say anything you want to hear and you'll believe it.[Puke]


I think he is the real deal. He is not there for the money, he loves America. I can't believe that we have to worry about him not winning.

Yup, sure is the real deal! He's a real politician!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-in-30-weeks-steve-benen-documents-them/

[Ronin13]

Just thought of this walking in to work, did anyone almost do what I did when he said it- I about jumped off the couch in standing ovation at the line:
"..creating tomorrow’s prosperity rather than trying to redistribute today’s."
Bra-Freakin'-Vo!

[DD977GM2]

I think he is the real deal. He is not there for the money, he loves America.

He is a real politician. Do not for one second let yourself be fooled by him.
He is like the rest. Ask the law abiding gun owners in Mass. if they think he is a politician or the real deal???

[Scanker19]

The reason it is a vote for nobama is the fact that the vote for Romney or in any other PRESIDENTIAL election
for the Republican candidate is wasted on a candidate that HAS NO CHANCE AT WINNING.
Your vote is thus , by defination, wasted on a candidate that was not going to
win in the first place and allows the close race to be decided with a "Patsy" vote, thus allowing the dumnocrat to be re-elected.
If you voted for the Republican candidate,Romney in this case, it was one vote closer to ousting
that sh*thead in the White Hosue right now.
If you truely want nobama to be defeated, suck it up and vote for the Republican.

If given a choice between a colonoscopy (voting Republican) or being butt raped (Democrat), Id gladly choose the colonoscopy.
I dont wanna have either procedure performed on me, but I will choose the lesser of 2 evils.

But by god vote that 3rd party so you can sleep better and know you did the right thing. Well you didnt do the right thing, would have been better if you didnt vote at all.

But how does it default to Obama? Why not to Romeny? It would go to who ever is winning.

[Ronin13]

But how does it default to Obama? Why not to Romeny? It would go to who ever is winning.

He's speaking more in the context that each candidate has a group that are going to vote for them no matter what, what is left is those in the middle. If some of the people here are in the middle then their vote- technically due to our 2-party system (not saying it's right, but that's the way it is... for now)- should go one way or another, not a 3rd way, and thus their vote that could have gone to Romney instead gets tossed aside and lowers his total by one in that state. Meanwhile, another person in the middle, for whatever foolish reason, votes for Obama, and there is one more vote for O and one less vote for R because the first person, more or less, "threw their vote away."

[Sharpienads]

Yup, sure is the real deal! He's a real politician!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-in-30-weeks-steve-benen-documents-them/

I only read a couple of those, and they all sounded like liberal propaganda. I dont know who the author is, but if Madcow keeps linking to him in her blog, he's probably full of crap.

[Mr_RoP]

I only read a couple of those, and they all sounded like liberal propaganda. I dont know who the author is, but if Madcow keeps linking to him in her blog, he's probably full of crap.

It is posted on a evangelical "progressive" website. As always, sighting sources that point towards your agenda. Liberals do this over and over again. For the love of Christ < pun intended > please try to peel back the layers of bias that is spewed through the main stream media and other sources.

I am a republican but I know full well that these two are nothing more than puppets for their parties. I will vote Romney due to picking the lessor of two evils. I will vote Romney because he spent his career in the business sector instead of the community outreach sector. I will vote for Romney because the " I will have more flexiblilty after the election" comment made by Obama to Putin scares the hell out of me (and my heritage is Russian) !

I will get off my rant now. I just get livid when people can't see past their own biases to see what is best for this country. Vote for Mickey Mouse if you want but then don't say a peep when you are upset about policies that are put in place by the canidate who is elected president!

[DD977GM2]

But how does it default to Obama? Why not to Romeny? It would go to who ever is winning.

Because Romney is behind at the moment. Politico Polls (http://www.politico.com/p/2012-election/polls/president) RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html)
or rather, its close enough if you waste yiour fucking vote on a 3rd party or write in a fucking name, that nobama will be re-elected.
My sarcasm meter is broken at the moment, so I hope your not asking a serious question. [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]

[Ronin13]

I will vote Romney because he spent his career in the business sector instead of the community outreach sector. I will vote for Romney because the " I will have more flexiblilty after the election" comment made by Obama to Putin scares the hell out of me (and my heritage is Russian) !

I will get off my rant now. I just get livid when people can't see past their own biases to see what is best for this country.

+1! I was scared of that comment too... What kind of flexibility are we talking about? Mr. Obama, you want flexibility take yoga.

Businessmen make better presidents than lawyers.

[BPTactical]

Butt raped or Colonoscopy?

I will take the colonoscopy. At least then you find out what the problem is and have a chance of curing it.

Butt raped you just get an STD that kills you.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Butt raped or Colonoscopy?

I will take the colonoscopy. At least then you find out what the problem is and have a chance of curing it.

Butt raped you just get an STD that kills you.

Haha I prefer picking your president this election is like picking your STD.

Eff. [Bang]

[Ronin13]

Haha I prefer picking your president this election is like picking your STD.

Eff. [Bang]

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Obama would classify as gonosyphaherpaids.

[newracer]

The reason it is a vote for nobama is the fact that the vote for Romney or in any other PRESIDENTIAL election
for the Republican candidate is wasted on a candidate that HAS NO CHANCE AT WINNING.
Your vote is thus , by defination, wasted on a candidate that was not going to
win in the first place and allows the close race to be decided with a "Patsy" vote, thus allowing the dumnocrat to be re-elected.
If you voted for the Republican candidate,Romney in this case, it was one vote closer to ousting
that sh*thead in the White Hosue right now.
If you truely want nobama to be defeated, suck it up and vote for the Republican.

If given a choice between a colonoscopy (voting Republican) or being butt raped (Democrat), Id gladly choose the colonoscopy.
I dont wanna have either procedure performed on me, but I will choose the lesser of 2 evils.

But by god vote that 3rd party so you can sleep better and know you did the right thing. Well you didnt do the right thing, would have been better if you didnt vote at all.

This is why we will never see any real change in politics. Too many people are afraid or dumb to actually vote the way they should. If enough people actually voted third party instead of listening to this reasoning we might actually get some good people in office.

[DD977GM2]

This is why we will never see any real change in politics. Too many people are afraid or dumb to actually vote the way they should. If enough people actually voted third party instead of listening to this reasoning we might actually get some good people in office.

Im not afraid, Im looking at reality of the system. This election to fucking important to
throw my fucking vote for the libertarian or tea party canidate that I feel represents my beliefe structure.

RIGHT FUCKING NOW, this is a 2 party goddamn country. No if ands or buts.
You vote 3rd party, your voting for another 4 years of that dipshit.
19% voted for Perot. If that same 19% votes for Romney, he wins.
If that 19% or even as small as 5% vote 3rd party, oblammy is reelected.


Is this really a difficult concept to understand? A 3rd party candidate IS NOT GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION THIS GO AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DD977GM2]

This boils down to SIMPLE MATH.

46% + 5% = 51%
45% + 2% = 47%
3rd party wasted votes = 2%


That 46% can be either Romeny or nobama right now.

[DD977GM2]

Im sorry Im getting pissed cuz of the stupididty of some folks and their desire for a 3rd party candidate.

Not just on here but my work and those around me.
This election, if a 3rd party vote is cast, it is not helping
this country one bit. A simple equation that some find very difficult to understand.


I WANT A LIBERTARIAN OR TEA PARTY CANDIDATE IN OFFICE, but I know it will not happen ON THIS FUCKING ELECTION.

[BPTactical]

Im not afraid, Im looking at reality of the system. This election to fucking important to
throw my fucking vote for the libertarian or tea party canidate that I feel represents my beliefe structure.

RIGHT FUCKING NOW, this is a 2 party goddamn country. No if ands or buts.
You vote 3rd party, your voting for another 4 years of that dipshit.
19% voted for Perot. If that same 19% votes for Romney, he wins.
If that 19% or even as small as 5% vote 3rd party, oblammy is re[-elected.


Is this really a difficult concept to understand? A 3rd party cnadidate IS NOT GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION THIS GO AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you really feel Gabe, cmon just say what you feel[LOL]

You are absolutely correct.
Until a 3rd party is accepted by the mainstream American voter, a 3rd party vote is in fact a wasted vote.
We can wish on our ideals as much as we want, but ideals will not unseat the marxist bastard sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania will it?

That is our first and foremost priority.

[newracer]

And almost 50% of the people eligible to vote in the last election did not. Until "we the people" wake up and change it nothing different will happen.

This post in another thread is dead on for me.

http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=542585&postcount=14

[brutal]

And almost 50% of the people eligible to vote in the last election did not. Until "we the people" wake up and change it nothing different will happen.

This post in another thread is dead on for me.

http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=542585&postcount=14

That 50% sheeple have nothing to complain about. It would be great if 10% of them would get off their ass and vote for Mitt. God help the first person that whines to me that didn't vote.

[Teufelhund]

This post in another thread is dead on for me.

http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=542585&postcount=14

^This. You can get as mad as you want and keeping screeching that third-party votes are wasted, but you're just perpetuating a cycle of stupidity. I guarantee those of you saying this BS this time, will be saying it again in four years. ETA: if you want to rant and rail against something, put that energy into having Gary Johnson allowed in the debates. If the Libertarian party got the same amount of press as the R and D parties, we would never need to have this conversation again.

Every time I hear "I don't like Mittens, but he'll be a lot better than Beeho," I just shake my head. You have no clue what you're going to get from Romney. His stance on any issue sways with the wind; he'll be a pushover for any lobbyist that knocks on his door. Best-case scenario we'll get another Dubya, issuing record executive orders and signing unconstitutional shit like the Patriot Act.

I think you need to direct all your misplaced anger and energy toward the nepotism in the GOP that ignores the voice of the people and installs whatever candidate a small group of elites thinks is best. The RNC will lose this election for the Republicans, not the third-party voters.

[HoneyBadger]

The RNC will lose this election for the Republicans, not the third-party voters.

Especially after the way they changed the nomination rules from winning a minimum of 5 states to winning 8 states so that Ron Paul would not get nominated. They blatantly ignored, disrespected, and shunned Ron Paul and his delegates...

Watch the video in this thread (http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=62038) and see how crazy and totalitarian the Republican Party has become. You want to follow the process to bring about a positive change? If they don't like your ideas, they will abandon you, shun you, discredit you, and barely stop short of labeling you as the enemy.

[DD977GM2]

Difference between idealist and a realist.
Realist: Understand that BHO will likely get the opportunity to appoint another supreme court justice within the next 4 1/2 years, completely reversing the balance of the court for - likely forever.

You don't recover from that.

Idealist: If we vote for a 3rd party candidate, next time around he will get more funding, and if we keep doing that, then maybe after 85 years of electing staunch liberals who re-regulate the education system to further indoctrinate the vast horde of our youth to become staunch liberals, they will get elected!

[BDay][Luck]

This is spot on what I feel and not antiquated enough to say!!!!!

All the 3rd party voters. Thanks a fucking lot. Hope I don't
Have to say " I told you so" if dipshit gets re-elected

[HoneyBadger]

All the 3rd party voters. Thanks a fucking lot. Hope I don't
Have to say " I told you so" if dipshit gets re-elected

Chill out dude. Being hostile is not going to sway anyone to vote the way you want them to.
Using coercion and threats and fear is exactly the reason 3rd party/independent/libertarian voters will absolutely not change their vote for you.

[HoneyBadger]

And for the love of the Grammar-Gods, can we please correct the title of the thread? It's "speech" not "speach"

[tmckay2]

alright, for the delusional, heres the problem. liberals have not and likely never will go for a third party candidate. it always stems from the conservatives because we all want the country to ideally go back to how it was originally intended, and sadly even the republican party is liberal, i mean john f kennedy would in many ways be considered conservative by todays standards. the republicans move us towards liberalism slower, but still move us that direction. most of us want to be more extreme and reverse the direction. i truly hope it is someday possible. but liberals will always for forever vote democrat, period. that means when a third party comes in it ONLY SPLITS THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE!!!!! yes, we need to change that, but the best time to do it is when a republican is already in office and the democrats have a weak opponent, not when the most liberal president of all time is in office with a cult following in possibly the worst crisis this country has faced in several decades. you can be an idealist all you want, you can pat yourself on the back, and be holier than thou, but its a 100% guarantee that obama will be re-elected. if you honestly think romney would be worse than obama, then fine, vote third party. if you don't, then take one for the team and vote for romney. i don't like the guy either, but the destruction of this country is undoubtedly going to be slower under him and at least conservatives tend to keep their officials responsible for their actions.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE DIVISIVE!!!! if ron paul even tries to run as a third party candidate he clearly only cares about himself and not the country. anyone can see obama will win with even a slight slip up by republicans. this cannot happen. yes he got screwed by the republicans, and the way they changed the rules was low and cowardly. i don't support it and i hope they reverse it, but right now we need to band together and throw the bum out. this isn't a typical election where there is a democrat we all just think is inept and has bad policies. this is an administration that has shown time and time again they want to systematically change this country for the worse. they also are consolidating executive power like never before.

[Great-Kazoo]

And for the love of the Grammar-Gods, can we please correct the title of the thread? It's "speech" not "speach"


Its a touchy subject Politics that is. I didn't want to inflame the masses by spell checking everyone.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think you need to direct all your misplaced anger and energy toward the nepotism in the GOP that ignores the voice of the people and installs whatever candidate a small group of elites thinks is best. The RNC will lose this election for the Republicans, not the third-party voters.

Every time i received a mailer from the GOP asking for a donation,{they're getting to be like dudley!} I wrote them expressing my dissatisfaction with the way they have handled candidates who IMHO would fair better than Romney. 3 mailer from them was the last.
The issue runs deeper than just national elections. The GOP screwed Tom Tancredo and Bob Schaeffer and went with un electable people so we are stuck in CO with the dem's running shit in to the ground. Not doubting the GOP wouldn't give them a run for the money.

[Ronin13]

You have no clue what you're going to get from Romney. His stance on any issue sways with the wind; he'll be a pushover for any lobbyist that knocks on his door. Best-case scenario we'll get another Dubya, issuing record executive orders and signing unconstitutional shit like the Patriot Act.

One thing on this, sure we may not know exactly what we're going to get from Romney, but we kind of have a general idea. The real problem comes from the fact that we know what we're going to get from Barry: 1776-2016... RIP America.

[sroz]

There's always someone out there I'd rather have although there is no civil servant I really feel strongly about. But if voting for any 3rd stringer ends up getting me Obama, I think I'll take my chances with Romney & Hope we get a Change.

[HoneyBadger]

alright, for the delusional, heres the problem.
So I guess I'm the delusional one this is aimed at?


liberals have not and likely never will go for a third party candidate.
Completely false. Look at all the liberal groups on Facebook supporting Ron Paul. A simple google search for "democrats for ron paul" (in quotes so it searches for that exact phrase) yields 98,000 hits and a similar search for "liberals for ron paul yields thousands more. There are literally thousands of youtube videos of liberals, democrats, and former Obama supporters who support Ron Paul

sadly even the republican party is liberal... the republicans move us towards liberalism slower, but still move us that direction.

This is somewhat true, but the real problem lies in corporatism and a government that has the power to expand itself.

but liberals will always for forever vote democrat, period. that means when a third party comes in it ONLY SPLITS THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE!!!!!
Again, not true.

you can be an idealist all you want, you can pat yourself on the back, and be holier than thou, but its a 100% guarantee that obama will be re-elected. if you honestly think romney would be worse than obama, then fine, vote third party.
I believe this has already been discussed to death in the legislation/politics forum.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE DIVISIVE!!!! if ron paul even tries to run as a third party candidate he clearly only cares about himself and not the country.
Which is why Ron Paul has clearly stated multiple times that he will not run as a third party candidate.

yes he got screwed by the republicans, and the way they changed the rules was low and cowardly. i don't support it
Not just cowardly, totalitarian. They didn't like the influence he was having on their party and so they literally threw him out. He wants to shrink the corporatist federal government which would hurt the mainstream Republican Party, so they cast him aside, changed the rules of the game, cheated, whatever you want to call it.

this isn't a typical election where there is a democrat we all just think is inept and has bad policies. this is an administration that has shown time and time again they want to systematically change this country for the worse. they also are consolidating executive power like never before.

Systematically change the country for the worse? Like President Bush and your beloved Republican Party did? Patriot Act? Creation of the TSA and many other ridiculous governmental organizations with unlimited reach and power? Bush more than doubled Clinton's federal spending. Bush signed an almost unprecedented number of executive orders. The War Powers Resolution was ignored by Reagan and Bush before Obama. Bush deserves a legitimate portion of the blame for the current economic problems, but he just opened up the doors for Obama to make it worse. Bush also kickstarted the overbearing government growth that we are fighting right now.

You say that Obama's administration is doing so much harm to our liberty, but you ignore the damage done by Bush's administration.




ETA: I'm heading to a wedding now, so I'll have to catch up after the weekend. Please don't let this stop you from posting a thoughtful rebuttle with legitimate and reasonable points.

[Ronin13]

There's always someone out there I'd rather have although there is no civil servant I really feel strongly about.

Be careful with that word... Politicians don't like it, they don't understand it, and they don't think of themselves as that. [Bang][Bang]

[Byte Stryke]

I have a great Idea, Lets call The Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Tea Party Members and all of the other independents derogatory names and tell them how stupid they are while using liberal media scare tactics to try and get them to vote the way we want!

and if that won't work use a really large font in bold.
Always a convincing argument.
[ROFL1]

[Irving]

I just get livid when people can't see past their own biases to see what is best for this country.

So do you think Romney is what is BEST for the country?

[Irving]

This is spot on what I feel and not antiquated enough to say!!!!!



Did you just call foxtrot old?

[HoneyBadger]

Did you just call foxtrot old?
Yup.


I have a great Idea, Lets call The Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Tea Party Members and all of the other independents derogatory names and tell them how stupid they are while using liberal media scare tactics to try and get them to vote the way we want!

and if that won't work use a really large font in bold.
Always a convincing argument.
[ROFL1]

Thanks for summing up my feelings. [Beer]

[Ronin13]

So do you think Romney is what is BEST for the country?

I think he means out of the choice we have... Eew, eat the shitty sandwich or the SHIT sandwich?

[DD977GM2]

Did you just call foxtrot old?

I was able to use the word antiquated ( probably out of context ) and sounded good

[sniper7]

And almost 50% of the people eligible to vote in the last election did not. Until "we the people" wake up and change it nothing different will happen.

This post in another thread is dead on for me.

http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=542585&postcount=14

but does that count the % that vote democrat multiple times? does it count the % of illegals that somehow manage to vote. Does it count the leeches that Acorn brings in on buses to vote?

Hopefully a percentage of those who haven't been voting are waking up. We will see in a few months.

[sniper7]

Difference between idealist and a realist.
Realist: Understand that BHO will likely get the opportunity to appoint another supreme court justice within the next 4 1/2 years, completely reversing the balance of the court for - likely forever.

You don't recover from that.

Idealist: If we vote for a 3rd party candidate, next time around he will get more funding, and if we keep doing that, then maybe after 85 years of electing staunch liberals who re-regulate the education system to further indoctrinate the vast horde of our youth to become staunch liberals, they will get elected!

[BDay][Luck]

Don't forget to add into that idealist category the liberals who continue to pander to illegals, low-life's of every race, and the other leeches that are happy to live off the government.

[sniper7]

And for the love of the Grammar-Gods, can we please correct the title of the thread? It's "speech" not "speach"

leave him alone, he has a speach impediment. [ROFL1]

[Byte Stryke]

leave him alone, he has a speach impediment. [ROFL1]


speach impedalment

[Irving]

So I guess I'm the delusional one this is aimed at?

Not just cowardly, totalitarian. They didn't like the influence he was having on their party and so they literally threw him out. He wants to shrink the corporatist federal government which would hurt the mainstream Republican Party, so they cast him aside, changed the rules of the game, cheated, whatever you want to call it.




First, I don't think he was talking to you.
Second, I think the Republicans did what they did to prevent another Ross Perot situation.

[Teufelhund]

First, I don't think he was talking to you.
Second, I think the Republicans did what they did to prevent another Ross Perot situation.

What situation is that? Where the people dare to vote outside party lines in order to elect the best person for the job?

[Irving]

What situation is that? Where the people dare to vote outside party lines in order to elect the best person for the job?

Yeah, the situation where 19% of people voted for Ross Perot, and 81% of the people voted wrong.

[tmckay2]

first, when did i ever say i love the republican party? i actually hate the republican party. they are as corrupt as democrats, but they are slightly less bad because they at least have slightly less liberal views.

second, just because i didn't mention bush (since he really has nothing to do with this discussion) doesn't mean i in any way supported what he did. he was the most liberal republican president in quite some time. just so i am sure i understand your central thesis here, obama isn't so bad because bush was bad? ok...

that being said, if you don't think that obama is actively trying to morph this country into something different, you aren't paying attention. and if you really think liberals are going to rally to vote for ron paul, you are very much delusional. if ron paul runs and you vote for him, pm me your address, ill send you a thank you card when obama is re-elected. its a simple game of numbers. yes, i don't like romney much. yes, i don't like the republican party or their antics. yes, we need a third party, or better yet, several parties. no, this is not the time to split the republican vote and give obama another term.

i pretty much live in academia and the health care field, pretty solid breeding grounds for liberals. my wife is a teacher, also lots of liberals. sadly the majority of my friends are liberals, we are proof opposing political parties can get along. in all the circles i live in i have never, ever heard a liberal even remotely support ron paul. most of them mock him as much if not more than romney, which is impressive. others have joked they want him to get the nomination because it will be an easy win for obama. whether true or not i don't know. i watch a fair amount of news and use several social networking sites often and again have never seen democrats or liberals supporting ron paul. a few facebook groups have a few thousand likes that are liberals or democrats for ron paul, although ironically one has a few thousand and is basically saying they want him to get the nomination so obama has an easy win. a few thousand is peanuts. obama has over 30,000 likes from a colorado group alone.

you can't dispute that a third party or republican division this year means a win for obama. its irrefutable. now you may value "taking a stand" and having obama win over having a slightly less evil win, and if thats the case, fine, just say so. but if you think obama is pretty freaking bad and romney wouldn't be quite as bad, then i question why in the world you would vote for someone you know can't win and will only give the victory to obama. its not a matter of virtue, its a matter of being rational about how things are going to play out. i think a "third party" would actually have a legitimate shot at usurping romney in the next four years and beating him in the primaries. it may be unprecendented, but i think it can happen. that option is not organized well enough to be done this year and obama is too powerful of an adversary. i don't know who they will have run next election, but i can't imagine democrats will be able to come up with another person that can rival obama's ability to blind people into voting for him despite everything he stands for and what little he has done. if they get hillary to run next election and we have mittens in office, especially with fairly poor turn around numbers, a third option could be very viable. right now its a guaranteed win for democrats. why anyone would be for that is beyond me, republican hate or not.


So I guess I'm the delusional one this is aimed at?

Completely false. Look at all the liberal groups on Facebook supporting Ron Paul. A simple google search for "democrats for ron paul" (in quotes so it searches for that exact phrase) yields 98,000 hits and a similar search for "liberals for ron paul yields thousands more. There are literally thousands of youtube videos of liberals, democrats, and former Obama supporters who support Ron Paul

This is somewhat true, but the real problem lies in corporatism and a government that has the power to expand itself.

Again, not true.

I believe this has already been discussed to death in the legislation/politics forum.

Which is why Ron Paul has clearly stated multiple times that he will not run as a third party candidate.

Not just cowardly, totalitarian. They didn't like the influence he was having on their party and so they literally threw him out. He wants to shrink the corporatist federal government which would hurt the mainstream Republican Party, so they cast him aside, changed the rules of the game, cheated, whatever you want to call it.


Systematically change the country for the worse? Like President Bush and your beloved Republican Party did? Patriot Act? Creation of the TSA and many other ridiculous governmental organizations with unlimited reach and power? Bush more than doubled Clinton's federal spending. Bush signed an almost unprecedented number of executive orders. The War Powers Resolution was ignored by Reagan and Bush before Obama. Bush deserves a legitimate portion of the blame for the current economic problems, but he just opened up the doors for Obama to make it worse. Bush also kickstarted the overbearing government growth that we are fighting right now.

You say that Obama's administration is doing so much harm to our liberty, but you ignore the damage done by Bush's administration.




ETA: I'm heading to a wedding now, so I'll have to catch up after the weekend. Please don't let this stop you from posting a thoughtful rebuttle with legitimate and reasonable points.

[Teufelhund]

Yeah, the situation where 19% of people voted for Ross Perot, and 81% of the people voted wrong.

LMAO that's great. Well played, sir.

[JoeT]

Yeah, the situation where 19% of people voted for Ross Perot, and 81% of the people voted wrong.


I was one of the 19% (as was my brothers, mom and dad). However they are liberal dems

[Great-Kazoo]

if you don't think that obama is actively trying to morph this country into something different, you aren't paying attention.


I've said it many times and you are repeating what will happen within the next 4 years. Remember he doesn;t condier himself an American and feels we should all join hands AND ECONOMY (EU notes, Chinese , whatever) the next dominant currency will be. He want's us to be on the same page socio-economic wise with the rest of the world.
G$%^D America, that's what he was ingrained with, that's what is is doing. Hell i wonder how brain washed his children are.

[HoneyBadger]

first, ..... I didn't actually read what you said, so I'm going to accuse you of the same things....

I was hoping you would post a thoughtful rebuttal, but it seems you just parroted the same thing about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate and effectively reelecting Obama. As I have already said, multiple times now, Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. How many more times do I need to say it? What party would he run under? The Ron Paul party? The Libertarian Party already has Gary Johnson, but that is beside the point. Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. If I somehow turn out to be wrong, I will eat my humble pie and apologize.

I didn't make a thesis, but if you'd like one, then here it is: the majority of your original points are invalid because they are simply not true.


Obama has a Facebook page with 30k likes
whoop de do. I was talking about people crossing the party lines. Besides, when 70% of Obama's Twitter followers are imaginary, it's foolish to trust that his facebook followers aren't.

After 4 years in Colorado, the military moved me to California. I just returned to Colorado this past April and from San Francisco to Los Angeles, there are many thousands of California liberals and democrats who support Ron Paul. This is the evidence I saw with my own eyes. If you have better primary source evidence to the contrary, please present it. If not, then please be willing to accept that your world is not the entire real world and that outside of your world, many liberal Ron Paul supporters exist.

I absolutely do think that Obama is "trying to morph this country into something different," and I disapprove of it as much as anyone else here, but my point in bringing up President Bush's actions demonstrates that the Republican Party as it stands today is capable of inflicting just as much harm. Furthermore, their disgraceful actions at the RNC ostracizing Ron Paul clearly showed that they do not want to incorporate his ideas and his principled ways into the party, thereby splitting their own vote and clearly demonstrating that they are not just capable of the same level of harm that liberals have been inflicting on america, but also fully willing to continue on that path.

Irrefutable? You know what else is irrefutable? Global warming. Keyenesian economics. Evolution. Point being: nothing is irrefutable.

You say it's "not a matter of virtue, it's a matter of being rational". Reason is by nature virtuous.

[Sharpienads]

Chill out dude. Being hostile is not going to sway anyone to vote the way you want them to.
Using coercion and threats and fear is exactly the reason 3rd party/independent/libertarian voters will absolutely not change their vote for you.

This made me laugh, because Ron Paul supporters are never exactly like you just described.

[tmckay2]

So wait, I am wrong because of what I have seen but you are right because of what you have seen. Right. I never said Ron Paul WILL run as a third party, I said people talking like they would vote for him over Romney in an election against Obama are idiots as it will ensure an Obama victory. Republicans are just as capable as democrats in destroying things but I don't think republicans are just as capable as destroying things like Obama. The guy is unique. He genuinely hates America as it sits and wants to completely change it. We have had people on both sides want more power and want to take away rights but this is different.


I was hoping you would post a thoughtful rebuttal, but it seems you just parroted the same thing about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate and effectively reelecting Obama. As I have already said, multiple times now, Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. How many more times do I need to say it? What party would he run under? The Ron Paul party? The Libertarian Party already has Gary Johnson, but that is beside the point. Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. If I somehow turn out to be wrong, I will eat my humble pie and apologize.

I didn't make a thesis, but if you'd like one, then here it is: the majority of your original points are invalid because they are simply not true.


whoop de do. I was talking about people crossing the party lines. Besides, when 70% of Obama's Twitter followers are imaginary, it's foolish to trust that his facebook followers aren't.

After 4 years in Colorado, the military moved me to California. I just returned to Colorado this past April and from San Francisco to Los Angeles, there are many thousands of California liberals and democrats who support Ron Paul. This is the evidence I saw with my own eyes. If you have better primary source evidence to the contrary, please present it. If not, then please be willing to accept that your world is not the entire real world and that outside of your world, many liberal Ron Paul supporters exist.

I absolutely do think that Obama is "trying to morph this country into something different," and I disapprove of it as much as anyone else here, but my point in bringing up President Bush's actions demonstrates that the Republican Party as it stands today is capable of inflicting just as much harm. Furthermore, their disgraceful actions at the RNC ostracizing Ron Paul clearly showed that they do not want to incorporate his ideas and his principled ways into the party, thereby splitting their own vote and clearly demonstrating that they are not just capable of the same level of harm that liberals have been inflicting on america, but also fully willing to continue on that path.

Irrefutable? You know what else is irrefutable? Global warming. Keyenesian economics. Evolution. Point being: nothing is irrefutable.

You say it's "not a matter of virtue, it's a matter of being rational". Reason is by nature virtuous.