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Great-Kazoo
09-02-2012, 08:26
Look every religion has issues. YET i read and hear everywhere, including from some folks here how " Islam is a religion of peace"
Well not for some people.
http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-cleric-arrested-framing-girl-pakistan-blasphemy-case-062829763.html
Just a brief excerpt from the peaceful folks over seas.
Some Muslim neighbors insist she should still be punished, and said the detained imam was a victim.
Under Muslim Pakistan's anti-blasphemy law, the mere allegation of causing offence to Islam can mean death. Those accused are sometimes killed by members of the public even if they are found innocent by the courts.
"Pour petrol and burn these Christians," said Iqbal Bibi, 74, defending the imam on the steps of the mosque where he preaches in Masih's impoverished village of Mehr Jaffer.
"The cleric of the mosque has been oppressed. He is not at fault. He is innocent
Jeez just an ALLEGATION can get you ......well Killed. Hell even in the most intolerant church in America, screwing someone else wife would get you.....well divorced and shunned. OR MAYBE a TV Show[ROFL1]
Of course there were the bumps in the road like
AYE SHE'S A WITCH BURN HER. But hey we've hopefully outgrown that. Over seas ISLAM. Not feeling the love.
BREATHER
09-02-2012, 08:48
As in most organized religions the hypocrasy is rampant. Catholics were killers, torturers, and child molesters. Mormans massacred a wagon train. So called christians push their reilgion on people that need food not doctrine. So called televangelists prey on the poor and weak. I know one old woman who does not have a pot to piss in let alone somewhere to throw it, gives all kinds of money to these TV saviors. Jews also, and islam is one of the most hypocritical in todays society.
Organised religion is for weak sisters. You do not have to wear your faith on your sleeve to be saved. I truly beleive that organized religion is a major problem in todays so called society.
Our "politicians" today are going way over board in their proclamations of faith. The "religious" welfare pimps keep sabotaging race realtions, that's how they make their money and drive thier cadilacs....
I am with you JIM..........
I am pretty open on most religions and believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want as long as they don't force me to follow.........................Islam to me on the other hand studying it, is a;
"Barbaric, racist, and sexist religion that should have disappeared ages ago."
There is no other religion in the world that is as scary as Islam due to how it makes slaves out of its follows based on fear and even if directly or inadvertently promotes violence to others.
I have absolutely no respect for Islam, until it is gone there will be NO peace in the world.
What I don't get is I have run across several US women getting into Islam. For the life of me I cannot understand WHY?
ChunkyMonkey
09-02-2012, 11:20
What do you expect from a cult whose prophet was a pedophile?
Bailey Guns
09-02-2012, 12:01
Fortunately, the US military is doing it's part to put many radical Muslims at peace.
Great-Kazoo
09-02-2012, 13:34
Fortunately, the US military is doing it's part to put many radical Muslims at peace.
Not enough seeing how the politicians have been calling the shots since the beginning. They are shooting at you from a mosque, do not return fire, or from any place of worship. TFB return fire and inform them you will do what is necessary to eliminate any opposition.
Bailey Guns
09-02-2012, 13:55
Maybe...but it's not the fault of the guys shootin'.
james_bond_007
09-02-2012, 15:08
The Fastest Growing Religion In America Is Islam
http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/themes/atahualpa344/atahualpa344/images/icons/user.gif By Michael, on May 3rd, 2012
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-fastest-growing-religion-in-america-is-islam
Do you know what the fastest growing religion in America is? It isn't Christianity. According to the latest U.S. Religion Census that was just released on May 1, 2012, the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The data for the census was compiled by the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies (http://www.rcms2010.org/press_release/ACP%2020120501.pdf), and the results were released by the Association of Religion Data Archives (http://www.thearda.com/). From the year 2000 to the year 2010, the census found that the number of Muslims living inside the United States increased by about 1 million to 2.6 million - a stunning increase of 66.7 percent. That is an astounding rate of growth. Meanwhile, most Christian denominations had rates of growth that were far below the overall rate of population growth in the United States, and some Christian denominations actually lost members. Sadly, when Barack Obama once said that "we are no longer a Christian nation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik)" he wasn't too far off the mark. Christianity is rapidly losing influence and other religions such as Islam are rapidly gaining members and building new places of worship. As other major religions such as Islam continue to grow in the United States, it is inevitable that this will reshape America in many different ways in the years ahead. So what about other religious groups?
How did they fare according to the U.S. Religion Census?
Well, the following are some of the growth rates for major religious organizations from the year 2000 to the year 2010....
Mormons: +45.5%
Evangelical Protestants: +1.7% (far behind the overall rate of population growth)
Catholics: -5.0%
Mainline Protestants: -12.8% (an astounding decline)
But it was Islam that experienced the most explosive growth.
According to Ihsan Bagby, a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Kentucky, there were about 1,200 mosques (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/08/away-raw-emotions-ground-zero-mosques-face-strong-opposition/) in America back in the year 2000.
According to this new census, there are now 2,106 (http://www.thearda.com/RCMS2010/rcms2010.asp?U=99&T=US&Y=2010&S=Name).
All over the United States we are seeing "mega-mosques" (http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/August/Mega-Mosque-Plans-Target-Americas-Heartland/) being constructed, and in many cases the funding is coming from overseas.
And these mega-mosques are not going unused. In some areas of the country, Islamic communities are experiencing absolutely explosive growth.
The following example comes from a recent USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-05-02/religion-census-mromon/54701198/1?csp=34news)....
Imam Muhammad Musri, president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, saw growth explode by a whopping 473 percent in and around Orlando's Orange County, according to the RCMS study, and he thinks the growth is actually double the 10,000 new Muslims reported by the study.
He said Muslim growth has been fueled by a wave of post-9/11 converts, American-born children of immigrants having kids of their own, and jobs in the booming medical industry. In central Florida, he said, Muslims are just following everyone else in search of "better weather, cheaper prices, cheaper homes."
A lot of this growth is being fueled by immigration. A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center back in 2007 discovered that 39 percent (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/08/away-raw-emotions-ground-zero-mosques-face-strong-opposition/) of all adult Muslims living in America were immigrants that had arrived in the United States since 1990.
This rapid influx of Muslims is reshaping communities all over America. For example, Muslim students now account for approximately 10 percent (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/debate-grows-schools-closing-muslim-holidays/) of the total number of students in the New York City School District.
And all over the country many school districts are now changing their school calendars (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/debate-grows-schools-closing-muslim-holidays/) to observe Islamic holidays.
In fact, in Dearborn, Michigan football practices are actually scheduled around Ramadan. The following is from a Fox News article (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/debate-grows-schools-closing-muslim-holidays/)....
In Dearborn, Mich., where schools are closed on both the day before and the day of Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha, the predominantly-Muslim football team has switched its two-a-day summer practice schedule to 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. during Ramadan, so that Muslim players -- who fast while the sun is up – won't be forced to practice in the heat without drinking water.
The move received little backlash in Dearborn, because most of the football players are Muslims.
Dearborn is located just outside of Detroit, and it contains one of the densest Arab communities outside of the Middle East. Each day, the local mosque's call to prayer can be clearly heard all over the city. Dearborn is a clear example of why we can no longer call America a "Christian nation".
But Islam is not the only non-Christian religion that is growing rapidly in America.
The latest U.S. Religion Census found that non-Christian groups grew by 32 percent overall from the year 2000 to the year 2010.
Meanwhile, as I have written about previously, the decline of Christianity in America (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/how-will-the-shocking-decline-of-christianity-in-america-affect-the-future-of-this-nation) is accelerating.
Back in 1990, one survey found that 86 percent (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7041036&page=1#.Txdeo_lXk3w) of all Americans identified themselves as "Christian" of one sort or another.
By 2008, only 76 percent (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7041036&page=1#.Txdeo_lXk3w) of all Americans identified themselves as "Christian" of one sort or another.
Meanwhile, atheism and the "not religious" are experiencing huge gains in numbers. For example, the U.S. Census Bureau says that the number of Americans with "no religion" more than doubled (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0075.pdf) between 1990 and 2008.
Even many of those that still apply the label of "Christian" to themselves are not very committed. The latest U.S. Religion Census found that approximately 150 million Americans are not actively engaged with any religious community at all. That is nearly half of the population.
So America is changing.
It is becoming less religious and it is becoming less Christian.
What is your opinion about all of this?
spencerhenry
09-02-2012, 16:30
islam will never go away. nor will any of the worlds religions.
james_bond_007
09-02-2012, 16:58
Interesting website
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
islandermyk
09-02-2012, 17:31
Look every religion has issues. YET i read and hear everywhere, including from some folks here how " Islam is a religion of peace"
so they know how to sugar coat things better than most do...
with their best selling product...?
[Dunno]
BREATHER
09-02-2012, 17:44
Right here in America we could eliminate many "muslims" by their own laws. All the muslims I know through my job are jailhouse muslims. All of them break the "koranic" laws. They all drink, use drugs, commit adultary and many of their own "holy restrict". Make them pay the way they are supposed to by their own doctrine... They would be stoned to death, flogged to death, beheaded and buried.....
mevshooter
09-02-2012, 20:30
Not to ruffle any feathers or "stir the pot" but it is organized ANYTHING ideologically that can end in some really terrible things.
The 200 million people that were killed between Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro and Pol Pot were all some type of Communists which is organized Atheism. Hitler veiled his communism under the Nazi regime, but it is the same thing. Major pagan. Don't give me that "Hitler was a Christian" crap. That is factually incorrect. He despised Christian morality and was obsessed with the occult. He utilized faux-Christian traditions to lure people into his psychotic ways.
I am NOT arguing in favor of Islam. Not in the least bit. But once again this is an example of the PEOPLE themselves being the problem.
Anti-religion has been just as bad, if not worse for this world than organized religion.
Rant over.
Back to the topic at hand, I agree with this. It certainly is no religion of peace.
I started reading the koran, I was curious. It is a crazy, angry book. It truly is something I fear. If you thought the Christians were leary of science and education check out the muslims. Perfect religion for ignorant stone age folks. It is not a religion or peace.
mevshooter
09-03-2012, 09:57
I started reading the koran, I was curious. It is a crazy, angry book. It truly is something I fear. If you thought the Christians were leary of science and education check out the muslims. Perfect religion for ignorant stone age folks. It is not a religion or peace.
The majority of Scientific breakthroughs that have happened throughout history were from Christians and individuals who believed in the Judeo-Christian God. Not to mention that, along with hospitals and caring for the poor, it was once again Christians who undertook education efforts around the world. Recent polls still show around half of the scientists in this country still claim a Christian faith of some sort.
Now the latter half of the 20th century unto the present where Christianity and Science have appeared to be at odds is the new phenomenon, and an attempt by those on the opposite side of religion to discredit these religious institutions by separating them from each other.
And all the while, here comes Islam, slipping through the cracks while so many people take it to Christianity. People will be begging for a Puritan era America if Islam is allowed to put roots down and gain a controlling faction in the government and cultural make-up of the U.S.
I've only ever heard it called the religion of peace sarcastically by people on here and arfcom.
I started reading the koran, I was curious. It is a crazy, angry book. It truly is something I fear. If you thought the Christians were leary of science and education check out the muslims. Perfect religion for ignorant stone age folks. It is not a religion or peace.
You could say the same about the Old Testament of the Bible. A lot of dark shit in there, too.
ChunkyMonkey
09-03-2012, 12:07
You could say the same about the Old Testament of the Bible. A lot of dark shit in there, too.
Read the koran.. see how they compare.
The majority of Scientific breakthroughs that have happened throughout history were from Christians and individuals who believed in the Judeo-Christian God. Not to mention that, along with hospitals and caring for the poor, it was once again Christians who undertook education efforts around the world. Recent polls still show around half of the scientists in this country still claim a Christian faith of some sort.
Now the latter half of the 20th century unto the present where Christianity and Science have appeared to be at odds is the new phenomenon, and an attempt by those on the opposite side of religion to discredit these religious institutions by separating them from each other.
And all the while, here comes Islam, slipping through the cracks while so many people take it to Christianity. People will be begging for a Puritan era America if Islam is allowed to put roots down and gain a controlling faction in the government and cultural make-up of the U.S.
You put a fine point on what I was getting at. And women should be even more concerned.
mevshooter
09-04-2012, 07:33
You put a fine point on what I was getting at. And women should be even more concerned.
Exactly.
Mick-Boy
09-04-2012, 08:00
In late August (the 26th) the Taliban beheaded 17 people for dancing at a co-ed party in Helmand province. On the first of this month they detonated a truck bomb in Wardak outside of COP Sayed Abad that killed some ANP and some civilians, destroyed civilian homes and seriously damaged a local mosque.
You don't have to look very far or very hard to find evidence against the whole "religion of peace" story. The treatment of women and children (eg - the weak) is one of the yardsticks I use to measure men. Muslim cultures tend to fall very, very short.
Great-Kazoo
09-04-2012, 08:24
In late August (the 26th) the Taliban beheaded 17 people for dancing at a co-ed party in Helmand province. On the first of this month they detonated a truck bomb in Wardak outside of COP Sayed Abad that killed some ANP and some civilians, destroyed civilian homes and seriously damaged a local mosque.
You don't have to look very far or very hard to find evidence against the whole "religion of peace" story. The treatment of women and children (eg - the weak) is one of the yardsticks I use to measure men. Muslim cultures tend to fall very, very short.
The other thing is the reproduction rate of Muslims vs the rest of the world. Like the Chinese what they cannot over run with force will be accomplished by sheer numbers.
Just think what the Chinese could do if they encouraged their citizens to freely reproduce [ROFL1]
Ultimate warfare is all about demographics. The society with the most people always wins in the end.
The Taliban is not a measure of Islam. They are constantly breaking the core tenants of Islam in their political war that they call religious.
Mick-Boy
09-04-2012, 09:01
And yet because of their professed beliefs most of the Muslim world considers the war in Afghanistan to be a war against believers. I've been lectured on the topic in the West Bank, Egypt and Kuwait. The Taliban might not be toeing the line, but the rest of the Muslim world considers them part of the tribe...
HBARleatherneck
09-04-2012, 09:02
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And yet because of their professed beliefs most of the Muslim world considers the war in Afghanistan to be a war against believers. I've been lectured on the topic in the West Bank, Egypt and Kuwait. The Taliban might not be toeing the line, but the rest of the Muslim world considers them part of the tribe...
It's almost like the people in that part of the world are 7th century dumbfuck goat farmers, isn't it?
james_bond_007
09-04-2012, 09:15
The majority of Scientific breakthroughs that have happened throughout history were from Christians and individuals who believed in the Judeo-Christian God...
I think this is a bit too broad of a statement...
While there are quite a lot of contributions from "Christians and individuals who believed in the Judeo-Christian God", there are also a lot from non-Christians and non-Jews.
Greeks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_inventions
Romans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology
Egyptians:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_technology
Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Arabic (Islamic): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_medieval_Islam
and others.
Organised religion is for weak sisters. You do not have to wear your faith on your sleeve to be saved. I truly beleive that organized religion is a major problem in todays so called society.
I would argue that, say, a Catholic (of which I am proud to be) wears their religion on their sleeve far less than a "born-again" - who would qualify under not being one of the "organized religions". I'm going to ignore that you consider me a "weak sister" for my faith and not go on a rant. Let's just agree to disagree.
Great-Kazoo
09-04-2012, 11:39
It's almost like the people in that part of the world are 7th century dumbfuck goat farmers, isn't it?
Opium, The product smoked, shot, inhaled round the world. Makes Mexican brown or China White look like frosted flakes and for a lot less up front investment, than any where else
mevshooter
09-04-2012, 20:24
I think this is a bit too broad of a statement...
While there are quite a lot of contributions from "Christians and individuals who believed in the Judeo-Christian God", there are also a lot from non-Christians and non-Jews.
Greeks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_inventions
Romans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology
Egyptians:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_technology
Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Arabic (Islamic): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_medieval_Islam
and others.
Point taken. Too broad of a stroke on my part.
The purpose of my post is to attempt to point out that religion and science are not inherently in opposition of each other. There are many brilliant scientific minds from all walks of life, and the pursuit of God has led to many scientific breakthroughs.
Knowledge is knowledge, and does not have a religious requirement. Nor is it anti-Religious/spiritual/faith/etc by any means.
mevshooter
09-04-2012, 20:25
I would argue that, say, a Catholic (of which I am proud to be) wears their religion on their sleeve far less than a "born-again" - who would qualify under not being one of the "organized religions". I'm going to ignore that you consider me a "weak sister" for my faith and not go on a rant. Let's just agree to disagree.
I laugh my butt off at how Christians need to "shut up and keep their faith to themselves" while atheists and other groups are tout their superior intellect and achievement.
Proselytizing is proselytizing. No religion required.
But I digress.
here is a quote by ka daffy on the subject
Muammar Gaddafi
"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
Speech (10 April 2006), quoted in New York Sun (6 September 2009) "Terrorists Promise More Attacks Like 9/11" by Steven Stalinsky
I don't know if you saw the video, but what those Muslims did to Gaddafi didn't really show much love, even though there was a certain sexual aspect to what happened. [Help]
I kind of get why many men find Islam appealing. It clearly supports male dominance and promotes subjugation of women. I don't understand why the women let it happen? A man has to sleep right? Women have access to sharp objects right? You get where I'm going with this?
KestrelBike
09-04-2012, 22:12
Love how the douche liberals give Muslims a pass on pretty much everything: terrorism, women's rights, freedom of speech, etc. Give it a few years and those spineless cock bites will be wishing for the easy-going, tolerant ways of 21st century Christianity.
By middle of this century, not far off, Russians will be in the minority in their own country. Koran thumpers will be in the majority...with nukes and they don't drink vodka. Imagine a Muslim Putin: world's largest country, world's most resources, 2nd highest number of nukes, and willing to whack for those imaginary 80 virgin girls/boys/goats/sheep/whatever has a pulse. Europe isn't too far behind. IMHO the Europeans should start posting pix of the madman Mohammed and get it started. A few weeks of riots would maybe wake up those guys across the pond to the dangers that are coming. Just amazed that a religion would kill over a cartoon of their insane prophet.
Putin is one of the few leaders in the world (along with maybe china's leader at any given time) that would have no problem genociding/pogroming the muslims out of Russia. If he had a good reason to risk it, that is.
Love how the douche liberals give Muslims a pass on pretty much everything: terrorism, women's rights, freedom of speech, etc. Give it a few years and those spineless cock bites will be wishing for the easy-going, tolerant ways of 21st century Christianity.
By middle of this century, not far off, Russians will be in the minority in their own country. Koran thumpers will be in the majority...with nukes and they don't drink vodka. Imagine a Muslim Putin: world's largest country, world's most resources, 2nd highest number of nukes, and willing to whack for those imaginary 80 virgin girls/boys/goats/sheep/whatever has a pulse. Europe isn't too far behind. IMHO the Europeans should start posting pix of the madman Mohammed and get it started. A few weeks of riots would maybe wake up those guys across the pond to the dangers that are coming. Just amazed that a religion would kill over a cartoon of their insane prophet.
Have you been paying attention to the birth rates of Muslims in Europe vs the birth rates of native Europeans again? Tsk, tsk, facts mean nothing to liberals and a number of folks on this board.
The world has no choice in this matter, submit or die. The dice have been thrown, we're fighting this war whether we want to or not. The only choice we might still have is the geographical location for the war but with an open border I think that choice has been made for us already.
mevshooter
09-04-2012, 22:42
Have you been paying attention to the birth rates of Muslims in Europe vs the birth rates of native Europeans again? Tsk, tsk, facts mean nothing to liberals and a number of folks on this board.
The world has no choice in this matter, submit or die. The dice have been thrown, we're fighting this war whether we want to or not. The only choice we might still have is the geographical location for the war but with an open border I think that choice has been made for us already.
I'm confused... you quoted Tor's message in almost a disagreeing way... but it sounds like both posts were in complete agreement?
I very well could be reading it wrong.
I'm confused... you quoted Tor's message in almost a disagreeing way... but it sounds like both posts were in complete agreement?
I very well could be reading it wrong.
I'm sorry, I was being a little sarcastic about Tor and I paying attention to things like birth rates when many people think I should be watching that hot new TV show or football or Hey, Something Shiny.
No one says it, but I think it must be said- Islam should be illegal in America. It goes against the 1st Amendment- Freedom of religion, or in the modern case for many: Freedom FROM religion. Islam does not permit letting bygones be bygones. It requires that you follow it's laws and standards, and those who do not are to punished, even if they don't follow the "religion" (we've already established it is far beyond simply a religious ideology)- to that point they are breaking the laws put forth by Islamic law. They won't stop until we have sharia law in the U.S.- at which point I would greatly lay down my life to ensure never happens on my watch!
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
The 14th Amendment makes this applicable to the state and local governments, as well as Congress.
IMO, governments should not make laws about religious establishments and the practice of religious beliefs. This is a one way prohibition. Private citizens and private corporations have the liberty to make religious choices guided by whatever principals they see fit. I believe science is the predominant religious belief of western culture. YMMV
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
The 14th Amendment makes this applicable to the state and local governments, as well as Congress.
IMO, governments should not make laws about religious establishments and the practice of religious beliefs. This is a one way prohibition. Private citizens and private corporations have the liberty to make religious choices guided by whatever principals they see fit. I believe science is the predominant religious belief of western culture. YMMV
We'll see how long that stands up if we ever have muslim congressmen, even a muslim president- to which has been speculated to potentially occur sometime in our lifetime- er mine at least.
We'll see how long that stands up if we ever have muslim congressmen, even a muslim president- to which has been speculated to potentially occur sometime in our lifetime- er mine at least.
First Muslim elected to Congress:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison
Our current President spent more time growing up among atheists and Muslims than Christians.
Our Constitution certainly is worth defending no matter who is elected to any political office.
We'll see how long that stands up if we ever have muslim congressmen, even a muslim president- THAT WAS ELECTED IN 2008.
Fixed. [LOL]
Fixed. [LOL]
Jury is still out on that one- what about that Jeremiah Wright guy? He may echo muzzie-speak, but I'm sure he'll still eat some bacon.
No one says it, but I think it must be said- Islam should be illegal in America. It goes against the 1st Amendment- Freedom of religion, or in the modern case for many: Freedom FROM religion. Islam does not permit letting bygones be bygones. It requires that you follow it's laws and standards, and those who do not are to punished, even if they don't follow the "religion" (we've already established it is far beyond simply a religious ideology)- to that point they are breaking the laws put forth by Islamic law. They won't stop until we have sharia law in the U.S.- at which point I would greatly lay down my life to ensure never happens on my watch!
No, absolutely not. People must be allowed to make their choice and enjoy/suffer the consequences of their decision.
I strongly disagree with Islam but to make it illegal will violate the 1st Amendment and I won't stand for that. The way to stop Islam is to present something better to people who are looking for something better. Present something that doesn't hold the promise of death if you change your mind or make a mistake. Present something that treats men and women as equals under the law.
If Islam is outlawed then which of your religions is next, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, which one?
I don't care what religion a congresscritter believes in as long as the congresscritter understands that The Constitution overrides anything his religion says.
No, absolutely not. People must be allowed to make their choice and enjoy/suffer the consequences of their decision.
I strongly disagree with Islam but to make it illegal will violate the 1st Amendment and I won't stand for that. The way to stop Islam is to present something better to people who are looking for something better. Present something that doesn't hold the promise of death if you change your mind or make a mistake. Present something that treats men and women as equals under the law.
If Islam is outlawed then which of your religions is next, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, which one?
Let me rephrase- the Practice of Islamic principals that interferes with others' lives needs to be illegal. Again, not to beat the horse some more, but Islam is not a religion, it's a social, ideological, economic, and spiritual lifestyle. It governs not only how you worship, but how you live, cohabitation with others, business dealings, social dealings, and marriage. So no, outlawing it wouldn't spiral to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Jedi, Satanism, etc. Last time I checked followers of Christianity can peacefully exist with those who believe different. Religious morals are *supposed* to be separate from government- granted we haven't done too well at keeping some of that out in terms of Christianity, but the imposing of Sharia/Islamic law would completely destroy our freedom as we know it.
Skukripion
09-05-2012, 15:21
Islam is a backward religion, just the way it is for me, not saying people should believe it or anything.
Let me rephrase- the Practice of Islamic principals that interferes with others' lives needs to be illegal. Again, not to beat the horse some more, but Islam is not a religion, it's a social, ideological, economic, and spiritual lifestyle. It governs not only how you worship, but how you live, cohabitation with others, business dealings, social dealings, and marriage. So no, outlawing it wouldn't spiral to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Jedi, Satanism, etc. Last time I checked followers of Christianity can peacefully exist with those who believe different. Religious morals are *supposed* to be separate from government- granted we haven't done too well at keeping some of that out in terms of Christianity, but the imposing of Sharia/Islamic law would completely destroy our freedom as we know it.
OK I'm on board with that. For example, honor killings which are murder should be illegal. Do we need to specifically address this in the code of justice? Do we need a line item in there that states specifically that anyone who murders someone via "honor killing" shall be subject to all the penalties of murder?
You and I know what Islam is. Most people do not understand the full extent of Islam, they'll deny it is anything but a religion.
james_bond_007
09-05-2012, 16:06
... Last time I checked followers of Christianity can peacefully exist with those who believe different. ...
Things have gotten better on this, but...
One of the main reasons Christian settlers (aka Pilgrims) came to America was for religious freedom from other Christians and religions. (aka could NOT get along peacefully with those who believe differently)
Some people today can "get along" with each others "differences", but many of them still don't like doing so. (aka can NOT get along peacefully with those who believe differently)
EX: Northern Ireland - Christians (Catholics) are still fighting with other Christians (Protestants).
There are still quite a few people that are not happy when their kids marry outside of their ethnic and/or religious circles.
There are still a lot of businesses that hire only "their own kind", just barely skirting discrimination laws.
People generally don't like differences...at least at first.
Time seems to help with this. It takes a relatively long time to accept new and different things.
EX: Depression era Irish immigrants were thought of as a "lower form of life". After about 100 years now, there is not a lot of this sentiment left...
A lot of times when a new and bigger "difference" appears and threatens the status quo, the old opponents unite against the new "threat".
EX: Knute Rockne was able to unite his squabbling players to hate HIM instead of each other. The former opponents (the players) rose up and united against a bigger "threat" (Coach Rockne).
EX: British and US unite to defend against a bigger enemy in WWI/II after the US succeeded from Britain, fought them in the War of 1812, etc.
It is possible that this Islamic growth might have that effect and strengthen and help unify the various independent Christian factions (aka various Christian religions) to to unite against a much more opposing "enemy", such as Islam?
...or are they all too stubborn and set in their ways (aka traditions, beliefs, dogma, etc) at this point ?
BushMasterBoy
09-05-2012, 17:38
Islam is a facade for a political agenda of tyranny. Period. They pray to a "black stone" which is a fallen meteorite!
Legend has it, Mohammed himself kissed the "black stone".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
If I was Obama, I'd just nuke it...
Great-Kazoo
09-05-2012, 18:16
I don't care what religion a congresscritter believes in as long as the congresscritter understands that The Constitution overrides anything his religion says.
Which then ask the next question.
How many people elected in to office believe in the Constitution, all of it not pick & choose?
We know one side feels the 2nd is an out dated amendment and needs to be revisited. I doubt there is one elected official who supports the constitution across the board.
Which then ask the next question.
How many people elected in to office believe in the Constitution, all of it not pick & choose?
We know one side feels the 2nd is an out dated amendment and needs to be revisited. I doubt there is one elected official who supports the constitution across the board.
That is an excellent question Jim. I am inclined to agree with you that most if not all elected officials think the constitution should be modified in some way that directly benefits them, their idea, or some contributor.
That is an excellent question Jim. I am inclined to agree with you that most if not all elected officials think the constitution should be modified in some way that directly benefits them, their idea, or some contributor.
The Constitution itself spells out how it can be modified or amended. There is nothing wrong with changing the Constitution, as long as the Constitutional process for changing the Constitution is followed.
The top two definitions for Religion:
re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
Using the second definition, I believe that many of today's modern technological wonders are worshiped and this belief informs my opinion that science is the predominant religion of western culture.
YMMV
james_bond_007
09-05-2012, 20:43
...I believe that many of today's modern technological wonders are worshiped and this belief informs my opinion that science is the predominant religion of western culture...
Some say it is the Almighty Dollar that is most worshiped; perhaps a derivative of your "belief".
The Constitution itself spells out how it can be modified or amended. There is nothing wrong with changing the Constitution, as long as the Constitutional process for changing the Constitution is followed.
/snip
They ain't gonna follow the constitution's rules when they change it.
Islam is a facade for a political agenda of tyranny. Period. They pray to a "black stone" which is a fallen meteorite!
Legend has it, Mohammed himself kissed the "black stone".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
If I was Obama, I'd just nuke it...
I'm actually in the process of writing a novel about a group of "homegrown" "terrorists" doing just that... well not nuking it, but destroying it, or shall I say attempting to- I'm not going to ruin the ending in case it does get published. Kind of a Jack Ryan-esque book, and I'm more than sure if the book makes it and gets published I'll end up like Brad Thor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Thor#Reaction_to_The_Last_Patriot).
Mick-Boy
09-09-2012, 12:35
In case we're still keeping track. A 14 year old blew himself up outside of ISAF HQ yesterday. All the victims were Afghans. Most were Children.
ChunkyMonkey
09-09-2012, 12:49
So sick!
In case we're still keeping track. A 14 year old blew himself up outside of ISAF HQ yesterday. All the victims were Afghans. Most were Children.
What is the score of the [insert local NFL franchise here] game?
Seriously though. The bombing Mick-Boy brought up is one of the reasons we're over there. We're not there because we can save Afghan children, because we can't save Afghan children. We're there because we don't want that kind of activity here in our cities, on our streets, in front of our churches. Like I said before, we're going to fight this war whether we want to or not and I'll repeat - If we don't take it to them, they'll bring it here in Hometown, USA.
The only people who are going to stop these mass murders are Afghanis, once they get sick of it they'll end it. It is painfully obvious to me that they are not sick of it yet.
james_bond_007
09-10-2012, 18:38
Car bomb kills 12 Shiites in northwest Pakistan
A car bomb ripped through a crowded market in a Pakistani tribal region bordering Afghanistan on Monday, killing 12 Shiite Muslims in the latest instance of sectarian violence to rock this country, officials said.
Sept. 10, 2012 at 11:42 a.m. PDT
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/09/10/2290416/car-bomb-kills-12-shiites-in-northwest.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/09/10/2290416/car-bomb-kills-12-shiites-in-northwest.html
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/09/10/2290416/car-bomb-kills-12-shiites-in-northwest.html#storylink=cpy
Mick-Boy
09-11-2012, 02:15
http://skateistan.org/blog/tragic-loss
A short write up on the kids that were killed on the 8th. (Skateistan is a non-profit in Kabul where several of the victims went for recreation).
Great-Kazoo
09-11-2012, 07:26
What is the score of the [insert local NFL franchise here] game?
Seriously though. The bombing Mick-Boy brought up is one of the reasons we're over there. We're not there because we can save Afghan children, because we can't save Afghan children. We're there because we don't want that kind of activity here in our cities, on our streets, in front of our churches. Like I said before, we're going to fight this war whether we want to or not and I'll repeat - If we don't take it to them, they'll bring it here in Hometown, USA.
The only people who are going to stop these mass murders are Afghanis, once they get sick of it they'll end it. It is painfully obvious to me that they are not sick of it yet.
In the same vein. My brother spent many a tour over there teaching the locals how to diffuse IED's, recognize the various explosive devices and also keep them updated on the latest way "hostiles" were using attractive items to plant bombs in.
One of their favorites was to plant a small device on the top cover of thermos. They would drop them randomly here and there where water was in limited supply. hoping someone would open the top for a drink, killing or maiming them and anyone within a 10' area.
They left them in populated areas NEVER caring who found them, soldier, men, women or children.
In the same vein. My brother spent many a tour over there teaching the locals how to diffuse IED's, recognize the various explosive devices and also keep them updated on the latest way "hostiles" were using attractive items to plant bombs in.
One of their favorites was to plant a small device on the top cover of thermos. They would drop them randomly here and there where water was in limited supply. hoping someone would open the top for a drink, killing or maiming them and anyone within a 10' area.
They left them in populated areas NEVER caring who found them, soldier, men, women or children.
Don't forget the Soviets... When we first got over there we had to take a class on just how bad it was. In 1999 Afghanistan was #1 in the most UXO and mines per square mile. They showed us air-delivered mines that looked like little toys that children would pick up and they would explode, usually not killing the kid but severely maiming them. The Russians were some sick bastards. For the last 11 years we've been recovering and diffusing Soviet ordinance, they estimate we've maybe recovered 40-55% thus far...
From Dr. Gary Cass (DefendChristians.org)
On this anniversary of 9/11, there is still a very pressing need to get to the truth about Islam.
First, we must remove the false distinction between "radical" and other kinds of Islam. It is a useless and harmful distinction. Why? Because when the bullets are flying and the suicide bombs are exploding, history shows that all Muslims coalesce.
They unify either out of loyalty to their ideology or tribe, or out of fear that they will be the next victims of Jihad. The practical distinction between Muslims as "radical" or not is illusionary. Either way, Islam is a mortal enemy. Why? Because they declared war on the world 1400 years ago. We better be willing to defend ourselves or get used to the idea of being the slaves of Muslims.
Islam by definition is a comprehensive worldview system. It makes a total claim upon the life of the Muslim in all areas of his life. Muslims are commanded to dominate the world through warfare (Jihad) in keeping with Mohammed's violent example. Fourteen hundred years and two great Jihads later, we know that Muslims are still devoted to Jihad and to dominating the world. Welcome to the Third Great Jihad.
Muslims have inherited their value system from Mohammed. Where Islam has prevailed we find the greatest degree of tyranny, poverty and hatred.
ISLAM 101
Islam can be reduced to a very basic proposition; "What would Mohammed do?" If you know about Mohammed's life and teachings then you can understand everything you need to know about Islam. The problem is political correctness and Muslim intimidation has caused the truth about Mohammed and Islam to be censored.
It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.
They're at it again...
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/09/11/cairo-us-embassy-protesters-prophet-mohammad/70000126/1#.UE-Jp7KPUj9
"Egyptian demonstrators climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today and pulled down the American flag...
...Reuters reports that protesters tried to raise a black flag carrying the slogan: "There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger.""
Great-Kazoo
09-11-2012, 13:31
It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.
I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.
It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.
Not meaning to be overly dramatic here, but I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I believe in the 1st Amendment (and 2nd J) – what I do not believe in, is being reactive to a group of people who are out to destroy our way of life.
That said, I'd never advocate removal of Muslims from the United States based on their religion. This is a matter of allegiance to the United States of America, loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and the protection of our Freedom.
Any person or group of people, regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, or race, who put our existence at risk by attacking our freedoms and rights, should be targeted as a threat and dealt with accordingly.
Many people of many beliefs have lived, and do live in this great nation of ours, and this is our strength. However, we must always remain vigilant. There are many who would love to see us fall.
Not meaning to be overly dramatic here, but I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I believe in the 1st Amendment (and 2nd J) – what I do not believe in, is being reactive to a group of people who are out to destroy our way of life.
That said, I'd never advocate removal of Muslims from the United States based on their religion. This is a matter of allegiance to the United States of America, loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and the protection of our Freedom.
Any person or group of people, regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, or race, who put our existence at risk by attacking our freedoms and rights, should be targeted as a threat and dealt with accordingly.
Many people of many beliefs have lived, and do live in this great nation of ours, and this is our strength. However, we must always remain vigilant. There are many who would love to see us fall.
THIS! I took that same oath and despite no longer on Active Duty status I still live it and follow it, even if now there are no orders to follow. I will defend my nation, my family, my countrymen and my constitution to my dying breath from any enemy who wishes to destroy that which I swore to protect. [Beer]
I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.
I hear ya, Jim. The silence from the Muslim community infuriates me too. At worst, it indicates support of the evil acts by some of them. At best, it shows a major lack of character, possibly propagated out of fear.
Either way, it falls short of action. While in this country we quickly squelch those who's acts directly violate the rights and welfare of others, we simultaneously provide freedom of thought, here in this great country, regardless how distasteful those thoughts may be to some. We also don't outlaw cowardliness, nor require courageousness and speaking out. We respect such courage and character, but don't require it.
You know, I look around and see such personal shortcomings of timidness or inability to think for self in many of my fellow Americans, of all religions, colors or ethnic backgrounds. It's OK with me, I understand the human condition, and that not everyone can rise above the pressures of their environment, to speak out against their friends, family, and peers. They just don't have it in them. They have to depend on those special few who do possess that courage deep within their core to be that singular voice of righteousness to break a path for them to follow.
Still waiting for those special few in the Muslim community to step forward and lead. When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 14:45
I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.
What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.
So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.
Not meaning to be overly dramatic here, but I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I believe in the 1st Amendment (and 2nd J) – what I do not believe in, is being reactive to a group of people who are out to destroy our way of life.
That said, I'd never advocate removal of Muslims from the United States based on their religion. This is a matter of allegiance to the United States of America, loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and the protection of our Freedom.
Any person or group of people, regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, or race, who put our existence at risk by attacking our freedoms and rights, should be targeted as a threat and dealt with accordingly.
Many people of many beliefs have lived, and do live in this great nation of ours, and this is our strength. However, we must always remain vigilant. There are many who would love to see us fall.
I took the same oath, exxonv, and thanks for your service. Currently, I see a greater threat to the fabric and wellbeing of our nation coming from a group of people who are not silent Muslims. Not muslims at all. At least that's what they claim.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 14:50
When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.
Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.
Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.
MB888, thanks for the link. The expression "Trust But Verify" comes to mind. Would you be willing to extend that much?
I took the same oath, exxonv, and thanks for your service. Currently, I see a greater threat to the fabric and wellbeing of our nation coming from a group of people who are not silent Muslims. Not muslims at all. At least that's what they claim.
Amen and thank you for your service as well.
There are other threats for sure, and those threats to our Constitution are not just from abroad.
However, from today's attack of the US Embassy in Egypt: http://news.yahoo.com/egyptians-angry-film-scale-u-embassy-walls-163506344.html
In place of the U.S. flag, the protesters tried to raise a black flag with the words "There is no God but God, and Mohammad is his messenger", a Reuters witness said.
One slogan scrawled on the walls of the embassy, which is near Tahrir Square where Egyptians revolted against Mubarak, said: "If your freedom of speech has no limits, may you accept our freedom of action."
Does anyone doubt that if the fires of Jihad are ignited in America, that we will keep our freedom of religion? How about speech or right to own firearms? Of course, even those freedoms are under attack here today from various groups.
The Chick-fil-A issue wasn't about chicken or religion, it was about the First Amendment. Clearly there are anti-gun people after our freedom to own firearms - and what's next? Speech, religion, and then...
A great many threats for sure.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 15:08
MB888, thanks for the link. The expression "Trust But Verify" comes to mind. Would you be willing to extend that much?
I did to my best friend/ neighbor whom i known since childhood.. but when the mob came, he sided w/ the mob and helped them burn my house because my family and I are non muslim. There is no such thing as moderate muslim.
http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/article/churces_burned/7_more_bodies_found_in_jakarta.htm
Great-Kazoo
09-11-2012, 15:31
What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.
So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.
the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 15:41
the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.
I know.. it was a bad sarcasm by me. Instead of condemnation, they celebrated. :(
I did to my best friend/ neighbor whom i known since childhood.. but when the mob came, he sided w/ the mob and helped them burn my house because my family and I are non muslim. There is no such thing as moderate muslim.
http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/article/churces_burned/7_more_bodies_found_in_jakarta.htm
Wow, MB. Was that an Obama'ish type composite example of a betrayal of trust, or an actual account of something that actually happened to you? If that really happened to you, I can understand and appreciate your feelings on this topic.
ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 16:04
Wow, MB. Was that an Obama'ish type composite example of a betrayal of trust, or an actual account of something that actually happened to you? If that really happened to you, I can understand and appreciate your feelings on this topic.
Yep, I was lucky enough as I was already US resident and able to reach the embassy in time. My bro had to witness the most gruesome things. He said he can still smell it whenever he thinks back.
NSFW.. https://www.google.com/search?q=jakarta+riot+1998&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PbVPUNXdC6asyAHh6oCwAw&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1166&bih=770
Yep, I was lucky enough as I was already US resident and able to reach the embassy in time. My bro had to witness the most gruesome things. He said he can still smell it whenever he thinks back.
NSFW.. https://www.google.com/search?q=jakarta+riot+1998&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PbVPUNXdC6asyAHh6oCwAw&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1166&bih=770
Glad to hear you made it (and your brother as well). That sort of thing will change you for life.
I was saying on another thread that once you see, feel, and smell death, it is no longer even remotely entertaining to look at pictures of it... And pictures or video won't capture the smell and taste of fear and death.
Sad that people can turn like that - but I believe it. Most Americans just do not understand anything about Islam - they can't believe it could happen here...
Glad to hear you made it (and your brother as well). That sort of thing will change you for life.
I was saying on another thread that once you see, feel, and smell death, it is no longer even remotely entertaining to look at pictures of it... And pictures or video won't capture the smell and taste of fear and death.
Sad that people can turn like that - but I believe it. Most Americans just do not understand anything about Islam - they can't believe it could happen here...
...even when it starts to. [Bang]
I know exactly what you mean, and the worst part of it all- you can't get rid of those images, feelings, and smells... At least I know I can't. After seeing my first dead body, up close, I know it'll have it forever burned into my memory.
...even when it starts to. [Bang]
I know exactly what you mean, and the worst part of it all- you can't get rid of those images, feelings, and smells... At least I know I can't. After seeing my first dead body, up close, I know it'll have it forever burned into my memory.
Those memories have faded a little for me, but won't ever go away.
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