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cstone
09-06-2012, 12:34
http://abcnews.go.com/International/french-alps-shooting-leaves-dead-girls-survive/story?id=17170064#.UEjsBuyoG7x

French Alps Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, 2 Little Girls Survive
By INES NOVACIC
Sept. 6, 2012 — abcnews.go.com


Girl Stayed So Still, Police Thought She Was Dead After Four People Killed

She stayed so still, police thought she was dead.

For eight hours, a 4-year-old girl lay under the body of her mother, beside another unidentified female with a Swedish passport, in the back-seat of a BMW in a car park near the town of Chevaline in the French Alps, officials said.

In the front seat of the vehicle, her father was slumped over, shot dead. A few feet away from the vehicle, her older sister was shot in the head three times and badly beaten, but still alive.

"We usually see this kind of scene in a movie rather than real life," Annecy prosecutor Eric Maillaud said, adding that the reason for the "dramatic nature" of the killings was unknown, but that the killer did not shoot haphazardly, but "targeted his victims."

The Annecy Tribunal identified the owner and apparent driver of the car as Iraqi-born Saad al-Hilli, reportedly a resident of Claygate in the London-suburb of Surrey and the secretary of a Wiltshire-based aerial photography company, AMS 1087. The Surrey police are working with French authorities to assist the investigation of the incident that left four people dead and one in critical condition.

Al-Hilli's wife was named by neighbors in Claygate as Iqbal, and the couple's daughters as Zainab, 7, and Zeena, 4, the BBC reported.

While Zeena suffered no physical injuries, Zainab is in a medically induced coma and is due to be operated on again, according to the BBC. Both girls are under police protection in the hospital.

Police have no motive, suspects or weapon, although they believe the shooter used an automatic pistol, which are banned in France.

DD977GM2
09-06-2012, 12:35
Though sad, how could this be when "automatic" pistols are banned in the wonderful country of France????

cstone
09-06-2012, 12:38
Though sad, how could this be when "automatic" pistols are banned in the wonderful country of France????

You mean like: Congress just past a law that all evil people must disappear by midnight tonight!

Wow! Tomorrow will be awesome for the rest of us [ROFL1]

DD977GM2
09-06-2012, 12:43
You mean like: Congress just past a law that all evil people must disappear by midnight tonight!

Wow! Tomorrow will be awesome for the rest of us [ROFL1]


This includes my ex-wife right????????[Muaha]

cstone
09-06-2012, 12:48
This includes my ex-wife right????????[Muaha]

Several government agencies have just begun reviewing the legislation to determine how best to implement the new law. Definitions on what evil is and what level of evil is necessary to enforce the disappearance ban may take years to implement. The new law is likely to be challenged in federal court and several groups have already gone on record that the new law is an infringement upon the First Amendment's free speech clause.

Sorry about your ex

BushMasterBoy
09-06-2012, 13:00
I read a little about this case. People were killed with SINGLE bullet wound to the center of the forehead. Some rumor the father was an engineer with nuclear experience from Iraq. He definitely worked with satellite mapping systems...sure sounds like an professional hit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/Lake-Annecy-shooting-French-Alps-Girl-4-ALIVE--murdered-father-named-Saad-Al-Hilli.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3 Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSam%2BGreenhill&videoPlayerURL=http%3A%2F%2Fc.brightcove.com%2Fser vices%2Fviewer%2Ffederated_f9%3FisVid%3D1%26isUI%3 D1%26publisherID%3D1418450360%26playerID%3D7248435 9001%26domain%3Dembed%26videoId%3D&hasBCVideo=true&BCVideoID=1825099898001

ruthabagah
09-06-2012, 13:22
Though sad, how could this be when "automatic" pistols are banned in the wonderful country of France????

Nope. You need a permit that's all. And no 9 mm, but tons of 40 or 45.

Also: a quick vacation trip to Croatia or Bosnia and 300 Euro will get you a nice AK, tokarev or other.

sniper7
09-06-2012, 13:46
Here I was thinking murder was illegal

WETWRKS
09-06-2012, 14:03
So...Did the Israelies take him out for his part with the nukes and the satellites or did the Iraquis take him out for trying to leave?

Ronin13
09-06-2012, 14:30
Also: a quick vacation trip to Croatia or Bosnia and 300 Euro will get you a nice AK, tokarev or other.

I've had this question for years... What if I went to some Sub-Saharan African country and bought myself a $100 full auto Soviet-era AK? Dismantle and ship the parts back to myself here in the US? Granted I probably need a tax stamp and all that, but if it's pre-ban....?

Akyla
09-06-2012, 14:36
I've had this question for years... What if I went to some Sub-Saharan African country and bought myself a $100 full auto Soviet-era AK? Dismantle and ship the parts back to myself here in the US? Granted I probably need a tax stamp and all that, but if it's pre-ban....?

Gotta be pre-ban AND already on the registry. No dice.

TFOGGER
09-06-2012, 14:55
Nope. You need a permit that's all. And no 9 mm, but tons of 40 or 45.

Also: a quick vacation trip to Croatia or Bosnia and 300 Euro will get you a nice AK, tokarev or other.

So, what you're saying is that French gun control works a lot like Chicago and DC: Law abiding citizens are made to jump through all kinds of hoops and obey a ton of restrictions, but criminals (being criminals after all) pretty much ignore the law anyway?

ruthabagah
09-06-2012, 18:10
So, what you're saying is that French gun control works a lot like Chicago and DC: Law abiding citizens are made to jump through all kinds of hoops and obey a ton of restrictions, but criminals (being criminals after all) pretty much ignore the law anyway?

^^^Spot on^^^. One of the reason I am here and not there!

SA Friday
09-06-2012, 18:23
This reeks of a hit with the secondary intention of getting a point across to anyone else in the future that might think of doing what this guy did. What he did, I don't know, but figure that out and you know who was behind it. You want someone dead, you kill them. You want to make sure nobody else gets the same idea, you kill his family.

This would be a cool investigation to work.

BushMasterBoy
09-06-2012, 19:10
Neighbor relates that Special Branch Police were watching the guy during the Iraqi war. I bet that they were from the intelligence services (British) and fooled the neighbor. I wonder if this is a sign of the beginning of operations against Irans nuclear program?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199513/French-shooting-Extraordinary-life-engineer-victim-centre-Alps-shooting.html