RECOIL Magazine Jumps the Shark...

[ebbs]

Not a subscriber, never owned the mag but one of my readers made me aware of this in RECOIL Issue #4:

‎"...the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that's technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of."

Jim Zumbo anyone?

Here's a link to the original post blowing up on their Facebook page. Even if you don't have a FB account you should be able to read it:

https://www.facebook.com/Recoil.gun.lifestyle/posts/360458947366646

[Zundfolge]

Wow ... they Zumbo'd and then the editor came along and doubled down on it (while at the same time trying to backpedal...hope he didn't pull a muscle with that BS).

No that won't hurt circulation at all.

[Goodburbon]

That was entertaining.

[Mick-Boy]

I thought Reed Knight's (of Knights Armament) comment was interesting.


Damn, well fellas the subject is even deeper, the German government has decided to not allow even dealers to own H&K weapons as dealer sales samples so there will be no more guns from H&K in anyone but govt agency and LEs "hands" the real question now becomes do we as civilians want to spend our money on H&K product and do we want to arm our US military with German made or designed products. I think H&K is one of the best if not the best small arms companies in the world but fuck their politics, and of we're all so worried about these "deadly" or fairly deadly products getting in the wrong hands then lets just stop importing them all together.

Obviously there is some bias there, him owning a rival company and all.

That said, I've become a big fan of voting with my wallet over the last couple of years. There are some companies I simply will not support because of their policies or politics. I'm going to have to do some reading on this HK issue but they may have just been added to that list.

[10mm-man]

Everyone should own full auto's......[Beer] BS the LE and Gov agencies are the only one's...

[zteknik]

It's like saying the .gov are the only ones that should be allowed to have tinted windows..
Or G.I. 's are the only ones allowed to have MRE's.

[flan7211]

Sporting reasons? Who gives a fuck about sporting reasons? The 2A is about the ability to overthrow tyrants. I'd prefer them to ban hunting than full auto's. Come and get me.

[theGinsue]

It's like saying the .gov are the only ones that should be allowed to have tinted windows..
Or G.I. 's are the only ones allowed to have MRE's.

By golly man, do you have any idea what you're advocating here?

An MRE in the wrong hands could cause serious civilian intestinal discomfort.

[zteknik]

By golly man, do you have any idea what you're advocating here?

An MRE in the wrong hands could cause serious civilian intestinal discomfort.
Ah so true -civvys can not handle the tabasco sauce!!

[lead_magnet]

By golly man, do you have any idea what you're advocating here?

An MRE in the wrong hands could cause serious civilian intestinal discomfort.

You're not joking there, those things can be wicked.

But I totally agree with the guy and "voting with his wallet" I won't own ANYTHING made by HK just because they hate civilians. I like thier guns, and they make some cool stuff, but they are a no-go in my book.

Anyone who does buy from HK should reconsider. HK hates you, so why give them your money?

[RMAC757]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this statement.


Not a subscriber, never owned the mag but one of my readers made me aware of this in RECOIL Issue #4:

‎"...the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that's technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of."

Jim Zumbo anyone?

Here's a link to the original post blowing up on their Facebook page. Even if you don't have a FB account you should be able to read it:

https://www.facebook.com/Recoil.gun.lifestyle/posts/360458947366646

[BushMasterBoy]

Damn, Reed Knight has an outrageous collection of firearms and armor. Space Coast economy is desperate since the Space Shuttle quit flying. Found this place from the "Recoil" magazine online. Makes me want to go back to my old neighborhood!

http://www.instmiltech.com/hall-of-modern-arms.html


I admit I have an HK product. VP70Z "Z" stands for "zivilian". First polymer pistol ever. Only has like 4 moving parts...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/HK_VP70Z_1890.jpg

[theGinsue]

While cool for what it is, that's one hell of an ugly gun.

[Bailey Guns]

HK lost my interest and business over 10 years ago. I'll never own anything from HK. I don't care how "cool" their overpriced/over-hyped products are.

[Singlestack]

I've always thought HK made top-notch firearms, and judging by their customers that seems to be true. However, I always considered them quite overpriced with roughtly equivalent American made products. Happy I own BCM, S&W, Ruger, and Browning.

Singlestack

[ebbs]

SilencerCo has publicly retreated from the Recoil bandwagon.

http://www.silencerco.com/blog/?p=442

[Skukripion]

Sure they can say the founding father didn't envision civilian with full auto small arms, but libs ignored the fact that the the founding father didn't envision governments in control of Nuclear or Bio/Chemical Weapon of Mass Destruction either. Consider that, military grade small arms ain't too much to ask for free citizens.

[hammer03]

Another good POV from an insider, Rob Pincus (contained in the article): http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robert-farago/readers-recoil-from-recoil-magazine/

[Monky]

So the whole point of this article is saying that I'll never get my hands on one?

Not like ammo is readily available.. [Coffee]

[Irving]

Do I have to be on Facebook to see the editor's response? I didn't see that in the first link.
EDIT: Nevermind, I see it in the link posted by Hammer. Thanks.

[ChunkyMonkey]

John Xia supposedly of UTG/Leaper supports JT's stand. LOL since when LEO/pro use UTG products?

[Mick-Boy]

RECOIL well and truly stepped in it. Panteo Productions and ITS tactical have pulled their advertising.

Turns out regurgitating the Brady Campaign's talking points isn't good business for a gun magazine. Who knew?

[Cylinder Head]

The Facebook comments are priceless, they range from complete and utter rage to "ill still buy Recoil, you guys are butthurt, and you can go pound sand."

The last thing we need is to give the Brady Campaign this kind of ammunition. There is no sporting clause in 2A, it was designed so the people were to be just as well armed as the military.

[mevshooter]

That whole "the founding fathers never envisioned us having full auto, military style, blah blah blah" arguing meant is so laughable to me.

On the contrary, the founding fathers knew that their civilians/citizens would be armed with the exact same weapons as their military. We may laugh at a black powder, single shot rifle/pistol/canon nowadays, but those were high-tech military grade weapons of those times.

Sounds to me like the founding fathers WANTED the civilians/citizens to have as much of an even playing field with the military as possible.

You know, that whole "checks and balances thing."

But I digress.

[porfiriozg]

After only four issues has to be a record

[DD977GM2]

After only four issues has to be a record


I was wondering how many issues they had produced.


What a bunch of retards.

Bravo Company has pulled their adds also from them [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

[Mazin]

Damn, Reed Knight has an outrageous collection of firearms and armor. Space Coast economy is desperate since the Space Shuttle quit flying. Found this place from the "Recoil" magazine online. Makes me want to go back to my old neighborhood!

http://www.instmiltech.com/hall-of-modern-arms.html


I admit I have an HK product. VP70Z "Z" stands for "zivilian". First polymer pistol ever. Only has like 4 moving parts...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/HK_VP70Z_1890.jpg


HELL OF A TRIGGER PULL! My co worker has one he wanted to trade me.

[Mazin]

That whole "the founding fathers never envisioned us having full auto, military style, blah blah blah" arguing meant is so laughable to me.

On the contrary, the founding fathers knew that their civilians/citizens would be armed with the exact same weapons as their military. We may laugh at a black powder, single shot rifle/pistol/canon nowadays, but those were high-tech military grade weapons of those times.

Sounds to me like the founding fathers WANTED the civilians/citizens to have as much of an even playing field with the military as possible.

You know, that whole "checks and balances thing."

But I digress.


I agree 100% but I'm soo getting tired of trying to make uninformed people understand this.

[lead_magnet]

I agree 100% but I'm soo getting tired of trying to make uninformed people understand this.

Hey, quite a few of the "uniformed people" get this.

[ChunkyMonkey]

get what?

[lead_magnet]

One post above mine ... not this one , the one before this one, which is one before yours, which, if noone else has posted, should be one above this one ... If somone has posted then it will be two above this one, not mine, but yours would be two above this one, unless several have posted then it .... @#($ it.

[hammer03]

Hey, quite a few of the "uniformed people" get this.
You missed the second n there.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/daniel-zimmerman/panteao-productions-silencerco-its-tactical-hayley-strategic-partners-recoil-from-recoil/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robert-farago/magpul-pulls-out-of-recoil/

more folks jumping ship. oops!

[asmo]

Its a bit disheartening to still see banner ads from BCM and Magpul running on recoilweb.com. Kinda makes their (BCM and Magpul) big statements about not supporting recoil ring kind of hollow.

[DD977GM2]

I gues a few anti 2A organizations are using his own words against us.
Larue Tactical is pulling the plug along with TNVC, Silencer CO/SWC and Bravo Company to name a few.

Here is my post on their board on facebook

(Censored for the young at heart also)

"Thanks Jerry you dumba**, Im sure the brady campaign loves you now you dumb son of a b****.
I never wish for anyone to lose their way of life, but you are the exception.
I hope your piece of s*** magazine goes under and the sooner the better you dumb motherf*****."

[Mick-Boy]

I gues a few anti 2A organizations are using his own words against us.


Source?

[O2HeN2]

I gues a few anti 2A organizations are using his own words against us.
Ditto. Please post links. I know that happened during the first Zumboesque debacle.

O2

[DD977GM2]

Source?


Ditto. Please post links. I know that happened during the first Zumboesque debacle.

O2

Here is the story at which I first saw the reference to


www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/)

Here is the link to the facebook that I am referencing. I didnt find it on their website, my head hurt after 15 seconds, so here it is

https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoStopGunViolence

[DD977GM2]

I just came across Surefire is also pulling thier adds as well.

[Ronin13]

Here is the story at which I first saw the reference to


www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/)

Here is the link to the facebook that I am referencing. I didnt find it on their website, my head hurt after 15 seconds, so here it is

https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoStopGunViolence

Jeez Gabe- don't post crap like that! I almost got sucked into the debate with those anti-gun liberal retards! [ROFL1] I'm surprised you made it 15 seconds, I couldn't even get in 10 before wanting to yank my eyes out!

[Whistler]

Jeez Gabe- don't post crap like that! I almost got sucked into the debate with those anti-gun liberal retards! [ROFL1] I'm surprised you made it 15 seconds, I couldn't even get in 10 before wanting to yank my eyes out!

No kidding the comments were enough to test my sanity! [Bang]

[mevshooter]

Here is the story at which I first saw the reference to


www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/)

Here is the link to the facebook that I am referencing. I didnt find it on their website, my head hurt after 15 seconds, so here it is

https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoStopGunViolence

Pocket Sized Machine Gun?

Sweet mercy, do these people have some enormous custom pockets attached to their outfits?

Also, I've never seen a "pocket sized" ma deuce before. What is this "machine gun" they speak of?

[Bang]

[merl]

Pocket Sized Machine Gun?
You haven't seen the announcement from KelTec about their fully automatic belt fed PF-9?

[Mick-Boy]

Here is the story at which I first saw the reference to


www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/11/firearms-magazine-truly-sorry-for-saying-pocket-sized-machine-gun-not-for-civilians/)

Here is the link to the facebook that I am referencing. I didnt find it on their website, my head hurt after 15 seconds, so here it is

https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoStopGunViolence

Thanks. It was only a matter of time I suppose....

[mevshooter]

You haven't seen the announcement from KelTec about their fully automatic belt fed PF-9?

... I actually googled that.

[stevelkinevil]

I just went and checked out the site, apparently the editor is toast, and another assoc. editor suspended. Gotta give them a little credit for dumping these guys, However knowing HK's distaste for the civilian market I do believe he may have been basically regurgitating HK's own sentiments regarding this weapon. HOWEVER it does not in the least excuse publishing this manure, maybe he can find a position with the UN propaganda machine.