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ChunkyMonkey
09-11-2012, 21:20
Must watch..and share!
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How anybody can believe this president after all the lies... Simply amazing...
And yet, he still leads in the polls. So many in our populace now willing to sacrifice their freedoms and pride of self reliance in exchange for crumbs from the government sprinkled at their feet.
With close to 50 percent of the country paying no federal income tax at all, we're close to the point of no return, no saving the ship. It's win this election, or Obama will put so many more people on the dole we'll never be able to win again, until the financial colapse inevitably happens.
All I can say, folks, is you'd better get to the voting booth this November, EVERY ONE OF YOU! We're fortunate to live in a swing state where the race in neck and neck. Your vote wields great power. It could actually play a part in determining the election outcome. Few states, few voters, carry that much importance.
theGinsue
09-11-2012, 21:41
Puts it clearly into perspective I think.
So now, this, doesn't seem so inappropriate or inaccurate these days, now does it?...
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I hope young Obama kicks old Obama's ass. Like evil superman vs good Clark Kent.sfe5drzybRU
jackthewall81
09-11-2012, 22:45
Romney won't be any better. I am voting Liberterian.
Romney won't be any better. I am voting Liberterian.
It's good you feel that way, so when your vote helps put Obama back in for another 4 years you won't be concerned.
Goodburbon
09-11-2012, 23:20
Romney won't be any better. I am voting Liberterian.
X2 probably.
and you'll find a lot more of us here.
speedysst
09-11-2012, 23:52
While Im not really happy with either candidate, ONE of them will win. So if you want to vote for some obscure Libertarian candidate, go ahead but he/she will NOT win and we will be watching Obama's second innauguration in Jan.
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 00:03
X2 probably.
and you'll find a lot more of us here.
7 of you last time I counted [Coffee]
While I would like to vote libertarian. I would only do it if I thought they would have a chance of winning. But beating BHO is more important.
While I would like to vote libertarian. I would only do it if I thought they would have a chance of winning. But beating BHO is more important.
EXACTLY. A Libertarian candidate will get 2-3% of the vote MAYBE. That percent could make the difference in this crucial election. If you think the last 4 years were tough JUST WAIT IF HE GETS BACK IN OFFICE FOR 4 MORE YEARS !! We won't recognize what is left of it in 2016... seriously.
Hell - if Chuck Norris is even advocating voting against the Kenyan Commie then you'd better not risk voting against Chuck and risking him showing up on your doorstep next year... he has a list and will work his way through it one by one.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t84/Jetvourax/fa4e1t.jpg
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 11:22
You want me to vote republican? Good luck.
The Republican party used me. We played this game before. "OH MY GOSH WE CAN"T let ALGORE win, it'll destroy the country." "That flip flopper Kerry will destroy our country." "We can't let Obama win, it'll destroy our country".
Meanwhile they ran up our debt to unsustainable levels just like the Democrats.
Then when the tea party pops up and screams NO MORE. The Republican whores jump up and say " I know right! this is crazy we've got to stop them!"....but THEY DID IT.
EFF the republican party. You go "save the country"' and vote for those whores. I'm done playing the game and I don't give a rats ass if the candidate I end up supporting "doesn't have a chance".
You want me to vote republican? Good luck.
The Republican party used me. We played this game before. "OH MY GOSH WE CAN"T let ALGORE win, it'll destroy the country." "That flip flopper Kerry will destroy our country." "We can't let Obama win, it'll destroy our country".
Meanwhile they ran up our debt to unsustainable levels just like the Democrats.
Then when the tea party pops up and screams NO MORE. The Republican whores jump up and say " I know right! this is crazy we've got to stop them!"....but THEY DID IT.
EFF the republican party. You go "save the country"' and vote for those whores. I'm done playing the game and I don't give a rats ass if the candidate I end up supporting "doesn't have a chance".
Wolf has been cried many times in the past, but this time the wolf IS right out side the door. Disbelieve at your own peril. Hide upstairs in your room reading fairy tales, and let the guy currently living downstairs open the door with a smile.
Romney won't be any better. I am voting Liberterian.
And to all of you who "are pissed" or whatever with the Republicans and vowing to vote Libertarian this year- our buddy Ron put it best:
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So if you want to vote for some obscure Libertarian candidate, go ahead but he/she will NOT win and we will be watching Obama's second innauguration in Jan.
THIS! [Beer]
We shouldn't be fighting over who the right candidate for our "conscience" is, we should be united under getting rid of the socialist who just wants us all to be sucking off the government tit...
Wolf has been cried many times in the past, but this time the wolf IS right out side the door. Disbelieve at your own peril. Hide upstairs in your room reading fairy tales, and let the guy currently living downstairs open the door with a smile.
Right on! Barry Hussein cannot have another 4. Regardless of what you think with Romney we cannot afford another term from that turd sandwich hold the bread.
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 11:34
Wolf has been cried many times in the past, but this time the wolf IS right out side the door. Disbelieve at your own peril. Hide upstairs in your room reading fairy tales, and let the guy currently living downstairs open the door with a smile.
When Obama Wins and the country doesn't collapse instantly I expect an "OK I was wrong, we were crying wolf again"[Beer]
When Obama Wins and the country doesn't collapse instantly I expect an "OK I was wrong, we were crying wolf again"[Beer]
Then is it fair that if Obama wins and the country does collapse can we expect a heartfelt apology from you and the rest of the libertarians who decided this was yet another year to throw their votes away? Can we kick you in the nuts too? [Coffee]
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 11:39
Ronin, you always jump into these conversations. why? You know we don't agree on this issue. You can not form a compelling enough argument to make me want to hold the vomit in my mouth long enough to push the button for a Republican.
Let's recap
Socialist
Gonna collapse the economy
But..but... the supreme court
You morons are gonna get him re-elected
I think that about covers it. Anything I missed?
jackthewall81
09-12-2012, 11:43
Can we kick you in the nuts too? [Coffee]
Bring it on bud.
Ronin, you always jump into these conversations. why? You know we don't agree on this issue. You can not form a compelling enough argument to make me want to hold the vomit in my mouth long enough to push the button for a Republican.
Let's recap
Socialist
Gonna collapse the economy
But..but... the supreme court
You morons are gonna get him re-elected
I think that about covers it. Anything I missed?
I have an opinion on the matter and honestly don't want to see you waste a vote, and an important one at that. I'm curious, what does voting for a Libertarian when you know they won't win, actually accomplish? Do you want chicken or beef? Neither, I don't support either, so I won't be eating lunch today. That's pretty much what you guys are saying.
Bring it on bud.
So that's a yes? [Tooth]
When Obama Wins and the country doesn't collapse instantly I expect an "OK I was wrong, we were crying wolf again"[Beer]
That's precisely the attitude that has gotten us into trouble. The country isn't going to collapse instantly, that's part of Obama's plan. Who is doing better since he got elected? Who has more money? How are gas prices in comparison? After all of the negative he has done he still has people that stand behind him because it's slow and gradual demise. So if (I'm scared of a "when" there) he gets elected a second time within the first few months things will keep progressing exactly the same as they have been. You'll say, "I'll take my apology now thank you." Then four years down the road we will not be able to recognize the fundamentals that this country was raised on. We will all sit at home, look at our lonely Glock 19 that was issued to us by the government, and think, "I miss my freedom."
Rust_shackleford
09-12-2012, 11:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
When Obama Wins and the country doesn't collapse instantly I expect an "OK I was wrong, we were crying wolf again"[Beer]
YOU GOT IT. But it's not going to collapse instantly. In 2016 we'll sit down and see if there is a difference.
Write down on paper what you expect the country to be like in 4 years. Seal it and stuff it in your desk drawer. We'll open it in 4 years when Hitlery is running for the presidency in 2016.
Rust_shackleford
09-12-2012, 12:10
YOU GOT IT. But it's not going to collapse instantly. In 2016 we'll sit down and see if there is a difference.
Write down on paper what you expect the country to be like in 4 years. Seal it and stuff it in your desk drawer. We'll open it in 4 years when Hitlery is running for the presidency in 2016.
QE 3 will be announced prior to election. Small bounce. Fed will have to raise interest rates after that fails. Best case scenario hyper inflation/currency devaulation. Doesn't matter what ass clown gets elected
When Obama Wins and the country doesn't collapse instantly I expect an "OK I was wrong, we were crying wolf again"[Beer]
Goodburbon, I'm 56 years old, and I've seriously never been more concerned for the future of our country. In the past I was much like you, thinking one political slime ball was as bad as the next, and that in reality it didn't matter all that much which one got in, that the country could weather them. This time it's so different, I feel it in my gut.
In the history of the US, we prior to Obama accumulated 10 trillion in debt, too much of which came under George's watch, but in under 4 years Obama has added another 6 trillion. He'll do it again in a second term, at least as much, bringing his total to over 12 trillion of new debt, more than all his predecessors combined, and the total national debt well into the 20's of trillions.
We can't sustain such a future of fiscal irresponsibility much longer, we're at a breaking point as it is. I don't know exactly how long it will be before we actually collapse, but I can guarantee you it will happen, likely sooner than later. Moody's just this morning issued a warning to our government that they will be downgrading our country's credit rating if we don't do something to address the problem. Every astute financial mind around the globe, and within our borders, knows we're heading for financial disaster.
Romney was not my first choice. He's an unknown commodity. We hear him saying the right things, but don't know for sure what he will actually do if he wins. Obama on the other hand is a known commodity, we know exactly what he will do if he wins, he now has a track record, and he'll continue spending us deeper into debt on the road to collapse. He cares more about righting past wrongs and stealing wealth from those he views as evil than he does about the security of the country, and will run us right into the ground on his mission of fairness retribution.
At least Mitt represents a chance to save ourselves, Obama provides none. We have to give Mitt a chance to right the ship. Like it or not he's the only chance we have. Staying home, or voting for a 3rd party, is just abstaining and throwing in the towel on our future. Please don't do that. We really need you to bite your tongue this year, sacrifice your principles to a degree for the greater good at this crucial time in history, and help us vote Obama out.
^ Second that.
Same here!
I may not be 56 (try half that) but as an avid student of history, especially American history, and I have asked around to my parents and others who have been around for more than 5 presidents- I have found this is the worst administration in the history of the nation. Don't we owe it to ourselves and future generations to fix the error?
ronaldrwl
09-12-2012, 13:54
Socialist
Gonna collapse the economy
But..but... the supreme court
You morons are gonna get him re-elected
I think that is a good recap. I have nothing to say to you Goodburbon. I guess either you have the capacity to discern the truth or you don't.
Rust_shackleford
09-12-2012, 14:00
Same here!
I may not be 56 (try half that) but as an avid student of history, especially American history, and I have asked around to my parents and others who have been around for more than 5 presidents- I have found this is the worst administration in the history of the nation. Don't we owe it to ourselves and future generations to fix the error?
We'll go off the cliff at 90 mph instead of 100 mph. We need real conservatives to retake the GOP or we are doomed. Romney is not a conservative, nor was Bush or McCain.
What I love is Dirt bag Clinton blaming Bush for the market crash. Clinton repealed the Glass–Steagall Act.
GOP=borrow and spend. DEMS=tax and spend, both=collapse.
As far as Socialism in USA, let's see Social Security, Medicare, Education, Farm Subsidies and many more. Obama is not a Socialist he is a Marxist. Romney is more Socialist than Capitalist.
What we (USA) have is a neat mixture of crony capitalism, socialism, communism and fascism right here in America. We need to get sound money and rid us of a privately owned central bank.
14 trillion is not an accurate sum of debt. We have interest on that to the Fed. Future obligations and the QE1 & 2 money not accounted for.
Buy storable food.
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 14:05
Bottom line at this point is either vote for Obama or against him. A vote for anyone else but the traditional GOP is a vote for Obama. It's a sad thing to say, but I will cast my vote to count for a difference. I will not waste it over a fantasy of perfect world as I wish it to be. This thread is about discrediting Obama w/ his own words.. Thanks for hijacking just about anything political topics, paul bots!
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Rust_shackleford
09-12-2012, 14:15
Bottom line at this point is either vote for Obama or against him. A vote for anyone else but the traditional GOP is a vote for Obama. It's a sad thing to say, but I will cast my vote to count for a difference. I will not waste it over a fantasy of perfect world as I wish it to be. This thread is about discrediting Obama w/ his own words.. Thanks for hijacking just about anything political topics, paul bots!
You're welcome
Teufelhund
09-12-2012, 15:02
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Hey now, don't come in here interjecting real evidence into an emotionally-charged circle jerk. The Republibots do not want to see proof that their savior is just as much of a socialist as the clown we all want to get rid of.
Your posts are right on the money, Goodburbon, as usual. It is an uphill battle trying to get all the Chicken-Little clones to adopt a logical thought process and end the cycle of stupidity. I constantly hear from here and numerous other places common sentiment that agrees with the Libertarian platform: end foreign aid, reduce the size of the government, end the war on drugs, return sovereignty to the individual States. . . and yet they're all going to vote for a candidate who does not espouse any of these ideals and ignore the only candidate who does, because the former will somehow "be better for the country." Un-freaking-believable.
Incoming blubbering that we'll never convince them to vote third-party because we're so mean to them and hurt their feelings in 3. . . 2. . . 1. . .
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 15:26
Savior ? You know Ron is republican right? He lost, he is a sore loser. His followers are the same. If Ron wants his own party w/ his own agenda, go for it. He and his followers are republicans only in name. If Ron won the nomination, I can comfortably say I'd vote for him, but he lost and now we get to hear from you despite the fact that everyone else have moved onto the election in which Ron's name is not on the ballot.
Go campaign for Gary Johnson and stop fighting for Ron for crying out loud.
Teufelhund
09-12-2012, 15:29
Savior ? You know Ron is republican right? He lost, he is a sore loser. His followers are the same. If Ron wants his own party w/ his own agenda, go for it. He and his followers are republicans only in name. If Ron won the nomination, I can comfortably say I'd vote for him, but he lost and now we get to hear from you despite the fact that everyone else have moved onto the election in which Ron's name is not on the ballot.
Funny, I don't see where I mentioned Ron Paul's name once in my rant above. I know he's not running, thanks. The only way I could stomach being associated with the Republican party is if it were in name only.
Rust_shackleford
09-12-2012, 15:34
Savior ? You know Ron is republican right? He lost, he is a sore loser. His followers are the same. If Ron wants his own party w/ his own agenda, go for it. He and his followers are republicans only in name. If Ron won the nomination, I can comfortably say I'd vote for him, but he lost and now we get to hear from you despite the fact that everyone else have moved onto the election in which Ron's name is not on the ballot.
Go campaign for Gary Johnson and stop fighting for Ron for crying out loud.
Never mentioned Ron Paul. I'm tired of the GOP and DEMS wiping their asses with the Bill of Rights. All I want is freedom. Sir William Wallace 2012. [Salute]
Teufelhund
09-12-2012, 15:34
Blubbering? Sounds like a Paul supporter- clueless.
Gee, what have Libertarians ever done for this country? Bitch, moan, and agree to end the war on drugs, stick their head in the sand regarding foreign policy Go team. Sounds like a winner.Vote your Libertarian cause and sleep sound that you did the right thing...in your own mind.
Like you and Libertarians have the answers.
I don't know that the Libertarian party's solutions are the right ones, but at least they are different from the same song and dance we've gotten from R and D parties, who have taken turns getting us into this mess for decades. At least I'm willing to try something that might work instead of choosing to stick with what I know doesn't.
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 15:37
Funny, I don't see where I mentioned Ron Paul's name once in my rant above. I know he's not running, thanks. The only way I could stomach being associated with the Republican party is if it were in name only.
Sorry to group you into the Ron's crowd. Your past posts have always been defensive of Ron. [Tooth]
I.E. http://ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=600248&postcount=3
I apologize if I am completely wrong about you.
EDIT.. same goes w/ Rust http://ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=354689&postcount=2 :p
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 15:47
I don't know that the Libertarian party's solutions are the right ones, but at least they are different from the same song and dance we've gotten from R and D parties, who have taken turns getting us into this mess for decades. At least I'm willing to try something that might work instead of choosing to stick with what I know doesn't.
I think more conservatives can relate to you, however, the system is in place, it would take an economic melt down beyond anything we have seen in the past for the majority of voters to reset the DEM vs GOP standoff. Even Ron realized this and hence which party he is in. Throughout history, to go for a system to break down effectively a country must endure a period of anarchy..something I and many others won't support.
Not one party can represent 100% of your fundamental beliefs. You can vote the party that represents your belief the most, and against the party that's against you the most. Furthermore, you want your vote to count - that's how I will vote this November.
Byte Stryke
09-12-2012, 16:01
Using the Logic that Throwing away a vote on someone with no chance of winning...
I am using this logic, paired with the current polls and backing O'blame-me.
Because, a Vote for someone with no chance of winning is throwing your vote away!
I'm ashamed of my generation. Voting for the "cool" guy the guy who is endorsed by many popular rappers, hip hop, and pop artists. Un believable that we have people who write music (bad music imo) decide the future for our country... Even after the 1st term of lies and fucking us over. People still are hypnotized by his witchcraft are about to put him in for a second time. I wish people would stop and look at shit instead of seeing a artist write a song praising the man stopping their research there. just my 2 cents of an 18 year old. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.
I'm ashamed of my generation. Voting for the "cool" guy the guy who is endorsed by many popular rappers, hip hop, and pop artists. Un believable that we have people who write music (bad music imo) decide the future for our country... Even after the 1st term of lies and fucking us over. People still are hypnotized by his witchcraft are about to put him in for a second time. I wish people would stop and look at shit instead of seeing a artist write a song praising the man stopping their research there. just my 2 cents of an 18 year old. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.
Coming from someone also in your generation I am praying that we are proven wrong because I'm on the same page as you. [Beer]
Coming from someone also in your generation I am praying that we are proven wrong because I'm on the same page as you. [Beer]
Cheers! Bud [Beer]
I like Ron Paul and I would act like Oprah voting for Obama or asking for more cake if he was the GOP candidate. A slack jawed stary eyed moron if I could vote for him. But I will hold my breath and vote Romney even though like last time the VP is more palatable then the main guy. If libertians want to be taken seroiusly they need to stop trying to take it all in an election hijacking. They need to start small like mayor or governor until they can show what they can do for the country in the way of freedom. Then they will have a chance at the whitehouse.
I feel like I already got kicked in the nuts when you suggested that Obama got 4 more years. He had his chance and blew it. Don't be a pussy and reward failing with more chances to fail. Kick him out and make him get a job or pawn his Nobel Prize.
I'm ashamed of my generation. Voting for the "cool" guy the guy who is endorsed by many popular rappers, hip hop, and pop artists. Un believable that we have people who write music (bad music imo) decide the future for our country... Even after the 1st term of lies and fucking us over. People still are hypnotized by his witchcraft are about to put him in for a second time. I wish people would stop and look at shit instead of seeing a artist write a song praising the man stopping their research there. just my 2 cents of an 18 year old. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.
Proud of you, Aperta. Your generation is exposed to a lot of pressures and influences to fall into step with the left. From academia, to Hollywood, to pop culture, to peer pressure. It takes some special character to step outside of it and think and evaluate for yourself with and unencumbered mind. I hope there are enough more of you out there to help change the future.
Proud of you, Aperta. Your generation is exposed to a lot of pressures and influences to fall into step with the left. From academia, to Hollywood, to pop culture, to peer pressure. It takes some special character to step outside of it and think and evaluate for yourself with and unencumbered mind. I hope there are enough more of you out there to help change the future.
The above message also extends to you, T-Giv.
Teufelhund
09-12-2012, 16:36
Sorry to group you into the Ron's crowd. Your past posts have always been defensive of Ron. [Tooth]
I.E. http://ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=600248&postcount=3
I apologize if I am completely wrong about you.
EDIT.. same goes w/ Rust http://ar-15.co/forums/showpost.php?p=354689&postcount=2 :p
[ROFL1] no argument here; you've got me pegged. I agree with Ron almost as much as I do with Gary. It makes me smh to see people talking about writing Ron's name in though; might as well vote for Mickey Mouse. Gary Johnson will be on the ballot.
Bailey Guns
09-12-2012, 17:00
X2 probably.
and you'll find a lot more of us here.
Sad but true.
Singlestack
09-12-2012, 17:08
Here is the statement issued by the Obama Administration in reaction to the Muslim attacks in Cairo and Benghazi:
“The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions".
Slap me upside the head! I must have been just imagining Beeho's efforts to offend believers of Catholicism, through support for gay marriage, abortion on demand, infanticide, and requiring Catholic hospitals and health clinics to administer birth control and abortifacients. Silly me...
Singlestack
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 17:58
Sigh :/ Accidentally edited your own post when I thought it was editing.
Sorry -- foxtrot
ChunkyMonkey
09-12-2012, 20:44
I need you to listen to your conscience more than ever this year.
This country is going down the shithole if either of the major 2 parties win. Even your precious Romney whose only plan is to "slow us down" doesn't seem to get it. Too much has been "baked in" at this point, and republicans don't have enough balls to do anything but oversee our decline and blame it on the democrats.
Vote for who you like, it won't make a difference. The dollar will collapse. I'd rather it happen when I'm young enough to recover. Rather than it happen when I'm in a retirement home and at the mercy of the state because my savings evaporated when the rest of the world dumped the dollar as a reserve currency.[Beer]
Or you could run around fear mongering and pleading to us idiots who can't see "reality" that somehow your candidate will save the world. That seems to help a lot of people feel better.
No offense, but the first part of your post is fear mongering. The paradox!! [Weight]
The tin foil crowd who believes that they are facing the end of the world as we know it (either of the main parties stay in power) are strong lately!! This country had been much far left in the past (FDR), this country had also endured much higher debt to gdp (120%, again FDR) - we recovered, we moved center, we even moved further right. The sky is not falling. Reference (http://www.alyudesign.com/debt.html)
This cycle has been going on for hundreds of years, and thousands of years in other continents.
That being said, we must keep pressure and stand firm on our belief.
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 22:46
Sigh :/ Accidentally edited your own post when I thought it was editing.
Sorry -- foxtrot
LOL[ROFL1]
Goodburbon
09-12-2012, 23:00
No offense, but the first part of your post is fear mongering. The paradox!! [Weight]
The tin foil crowd who believes that they are facing the end of the world as we know it (either of the main parties stay in power) are strong lately!! This country had been much far left in the past (FDR), this country had also endured much higher debt to gdp (120%, again FDR) - we recovered, we moved center, we even moved further right. The sky is not falling. Reference (http://www.alyudesign.com/debt.html)
This cycle has been going on for hundreds of years, and thousands of years in other continents.
That being said, we must keep pressure and stand firm on our belief.
Oh, ok I'll vote republican.
Oh, ok I'll vote republican.
If you're serious, you're doing the right thing. Just so you know, I'm a libertarian at heart too. Given the choice, it's the one I'd take. Unfortunately, it doesn't exist this go-round.
Romney has the skills and knowledge to turn things around. Question will be does he have the character to make the hard choices that may lose him a second term. He says he does. I kind of believe what he's saying, I get a sense he can see the mess we're in and is sincere about trying to fix it, but time and fate will tell. The alternative, Obama, is no mystery at all.
Even if he is sincere, if the senate stays blue righting the ship will be very hard. There are no guarantees of success. Best we can do is keep up the good fight, not throw in the towel. We owe that much to the generations to follow. We don't want to be remembered as the one who's selfishness and short sightedness handed down a collapsed America.
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