Where is the mideast situation leading?

[Singlestack]

It appears the mideast violence/unrest is spreading, and another US embassy had the flag taken down/burned and the black flag raised (Yemen?). No telling how long this will go on and to what point it will escalate. My question is what do YOU think the US should do?

A few options I have seen elsewhere (and here):

- Close embassies in the affected countries and bring our embassy people home
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with current ROE
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with more aggressive ROEs (arm Marines, shoot to kill those who enter compound, etc)
- Close embassies and eliminate foreign aid where the host country government doesn't secure protesters and protect the embassy
- Pull out and nuke em

Also, what do you think this is leading to? My prediction is a massive rise of radical muslims in the middle east over the next few years, with resulting minimal US presence in most of the middle east and no diplomatic presence in the most radicalized countries. Hard for me to guess in the short term, but I think moderately likely we will have additional embassy attacks and loss of life.

Singlestack

[Pancho Villa]

We've been fighting our enemy's battles for them these past few years (Islam is enshrined as the state religion and source of all legislation in the Iraqi and Afghan constitutions.)

They're on the offensive and feel strong, because we have shown that whatever bombs, tanks, planes and even brave soldiers we have, we lack the will to actually defeat Islam as a political system. So why shouldn't they push their advantage?

I say we pull out of the region and leave well enough alone, because the alternative (real wars and real occupations) is politically untenable.

[Great-Kazoo]

My prediction is a massive rise of radical muslims in the middle east over the next few years,

You are a decade or so late to that party. That ship sailed when the Ayatollah came out of exile, the Shah fled and we watched another ineffective DEMOCRAT president placate Iran.

You need to change the question and ask. Where is the European Continent Islamist situation leading?

France is over run with islamist, same for the north atlantic countries. if not in population in Influence. Print a cartoon mocking Mohammed and roits, death warrants etc are started.
This is not centralized to the middle east specifically.
Take a drive up to michigan and see how the muslims are doing there. Our .gov is so fearful of "Offending" islam we bow and offer apologies, instead of cleaning house. From bush 2 till this administration KISSING Their ass only spreads the disease.
What's that catchy saying a president used???
Walk Softly But carry a Big Stick.

Well we are beyond walking softly. it's time to break out the 32oz loiusville slugger and do some calcium rearrangement.

[dwalker460]

Well now see I was just pondering on this and had a few things occur to me-

Why are our intelligence services not aware of these coordinated attacks? I know the terrorists are pretty smart but with the scope of what we are beginning to see, one would think that something would have stood out in those daily reports.

Where, exactly, is the hue and cry for Obamas ass for not being aware of the attacks? I mean, he DID kill Osama right? When the 9/11 tragedy occurred there was an instant blame game going on around Bush, and yet there seems to be very little noise aimed at the goofball in his seat now.

This is BTW, all to be laid at Obama's door. He just HAD to prove he had a sac and depose Kaddafi and stir up the hornets nest that was more or less quiet, which is being fed by pretty much every terrorist group in the area by now.

The BS with Egypt is not good, as they were our allies and as near as I can tell are not anymore OR even worse, pretending to be while knifing us in the back.

Best thing we can do IMHO is to pull out, secure borders and retaliate with extreme hate and discontent if poked with a stick.

[rockhound]

problem is we wont, putting our military out there to fight a politically correct war has not worked since vietnam,

[BushMasterBoy]

I don't know if this scenario is plausible, but...Iran builds small portable nuclear weapons, then distributes them to highly trained Islamic radical cells. These terrorist cells then use them to attack high value targets. Suicide nuclear bombers. Main targets would our nuclear power plants, resulting in huge clouds of radioactive fallout all across our lands. Everything is toxic with radioactive plutonium and uranium isotopes. Sounds about as impossible as slamming jetliners into very tall buildings to topple them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition




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http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/images/sadm2.jpg

[MED]

It appears the mideast violence/unrest is spreading, and another US embassy had the flag taken down/burned and the black flag raised (Yemen?). No telling how long this will go on and to what point it will escalate. My question is what do YOU think the US should do?

A few options I have seen elsewhere (and here):

- Close embassies in the affected countries and bring our embassy people home
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with current ROE
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with more aggressive ROEs (arm Marines, shoot to kill those who enter compound, etc)
- Close embassies and eliminate foreign aid where the host country government doesn't secure protesters and protect the embassy
- Pull out and nuke em

Also, what do you think this is leading to? My prediction is a massive rise of radical muslims in the middle east over the next few years, with resulting minimal US presence in most of the middle east and no diplomatic presence in the most radicalized countries. Hard for me to guess in the short term, but I think moderately likely we will have additional embassy attacks and loss of life.

Singlestack

I was all for option 5 32 years ago...still am.

[BPTactical]

I think we are seeing the stage set for a catastrophic collapse of the ME that this administration has endorsed and has been complicit in.
Once this collapse occurs we will see war, and we will be damn lucky to stay out(which we won't) and we will see thousands of our sons come home in boxes.
I also feel we will see domestic attacks by extremists increase exponentially.

I weep for the future.

[CrufflerSteve]

I was all for option 5 32 years ago...still am.

It would work. Nation building wars/quagmires or whatever you call them are messy, expensive and tend to not come out well. Iraq is sort of close to peace at the cost to us of well over a trillion and a few thousand servicemen. The Iraqi's paid with well over a 100K killed, many horribly and a couple of million made homeless. They've now ethnically cleansed themselves close to stability. These messed up third world hellholes will never fix themselves up like Germany or Japan.

OTOH, genocide works. Kill every man woman and child (and all their goats). It would play hell with American Exceptionalism. "Adolph and Uncle Joe were punk-ass bitches! We're the most evil!" Somehow I don't feel like going to a parade celebrating that.

Steve

[00tec]

Press together projectiles from bones acquired from all our boneless pork chops. (Mmmmm- tasty frangibles)
Load said projectiles in brass casings filled with gunpowder, link together.
Distribute said ammo to Marines.
Arm Marines with miniguns.
Send in Marines
Let the grins commence.

[BlasterBob]

Stop ALL financial aid to ALL countries. I am damn tired of my taxes being donated to foreign countries in an effort to buy their friendship. Also, even much more important, stop all military aid to all foreign countries and this does mean our troops stay HOME. We will probably need them here soon to fight a domestic horde of "rag heads" (Islamic radicals). No offense intended of course![Rant1]

[Teufelhund]

- Close embassies in the affected countries and bring our embassy people home
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with current ROE
- Send in the Marines to the affected embassies, with more aggressive ROEs (arm Marines, shoot to kill those who enter compound, etc)
- Close embassies and eliminate foreign aid where the host country government doesn't secure protesters and protect the embassy
- Pull out and nuke em


This one. This is the only option to correct the problem, and will yield ancillary benefits such as being able to allocate funds formerly earmarked as foreign aid to bolster our own economy.


Stop ALL financial aid to ALL countries. I am damn tired of my taxes being donated to foreign countries in an effort to buy their friendship. Also, even much more important, stop all military aid to all foreign countries and this does mean our troops stay HOME. We will probably need them here soon to fight a domestic horde of "rag heads" (Islamic radicals). No offense intended of course![Rant1]

Glad to hear it. I agree 100%. So you're voting for Johnson, right? He's the only one who promises to do this.

[Byte Stryke]

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[Ronin13]

I'm all for the pull out of these shitholes option. Close the embassies, restrict travel (or issue state-department warnings), no diplomats. How many have seen Rules Of Engagement (with Tommy Lee Jones and Sam Jackson)? How long until they claim a peaceful protest turned violent instigated by US Marines? I fear that this whole situation is going to spiral out of control and it's going to be a free-for-all in any country that is slightly unfriendly to us...
Check out this (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html) link. Out of all of the countries on there- present subject matter excluded, how many countries are possible to follow? Algeria, Sudan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Eritrea, Chad, Syria... I don't have all the answers, but in some cases street justice might be the best policy, just let the animals wipe each other out. The only downside is a situation comparable to Egypt- a US friendly leader is deposed and then an anti-US faction takes power and we end up with another Iran.

What we need most is an aggressive, take-no-shit administration that will make it clear that if you mess with us, we'll mess with you back. But unfortunately, I fear that BHO hates us as much as these heathens and would fail to react properly to an attack on US soil. I had a political science professor in college say "Without the right hard-charging leader in office, another attack like 9/11 would open the flood gates and you would see a very hostile place for us in our own country."

I agree with Bert- I weep for our future.

[BigBear]

I think we are all mostly in consensus.

Pull out everything. All personell, all aid, all everything. Tell 'em to have fun.

Protect our own here in our own country. When (not if, it IS a "when") they come calling, completely eradicate them from the face of the Earth and instill a fear in any bystanders that the simple mention will erase all they care for from the history books.

The warning signal has been blown too many times... now we are simply calling "wolf" as was pointed out before.

[Mtn.man]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/305082_10151149290979675_647500009_n.jpg

[FastMan]

Drill baby drill.

[tmckay2]

im not really sure why we have embassies in those countries to begin with. they aren't even really countries.

[ray1970]

Pulling out of the middle east isn't an option at this point. If you think a lack of our presence in that area would make them leave us alone you're either delusional or sadly mistaken. Not to mention that until everyone in our country gets over their fears of oil exploration and production techniques we are dependent on that whole area.

We are becoming a nation of pussies... afraid to do what is needed to crush our enemies for fear of being seen as the "bad guy" in the eyes of the world.

Until we can get over this whole "politically correct" way of thinking things are only going to get worse.

[Clint45]

im not really sure why we have embassies in those countries to begin with. they aren't even really countries.

The CIA wants to have actual brick and mortar office buildings with internet access and fax machines.

[68Charger]

Pulling out of the middle east isn't an option at this point. If you think a lack of our presence in that area would make them leave us alone you're either delusional or sadly mistaken. Not to mention that until everyone in our country gets over their fears of oil exploration and production techniques we are dependent on that whole area.

We are becoming a nation of pussies... afraid to do what is needed to crush our enemies for fear of being seen as the "bad guy" in the eyes of the world.

Until we can get over this whole "politically correct" way of thinking things are only going to get worse.

Quoted for truth


Take a drive up to michigan and see how the muslims are doing there. Our .gov is so fearful of "Offending" islam we bow and offer apologies, instead of cleaning house. From bush 2 till this administration KISSING Their ass only spreads the disease.
What's that catchy saying a president used???
Walk Softly But carry a Big Stick.

Well we are beyond walking softly. it's time to break out the 32oz loiusville slugger and do some calcium rearrangement.

Here's a virtual drive to see what it's like there (NSFW, swearing by muslims can be heard)
Da6dIWPaQ3s

[FastMan]

What's that catchy saying a president used???
Walk Softly But carry a Big Stick.



It was Teddy Roosevelt, and was actually "Speak softly, and carry a big stick. It will take you far".

[bogie]

Nukes will proliferate into their hands and they will use them. They will use them on infidels. The shi'a and sunni will use them on each other.

[jhood001]

Here's a virtual drive to see what it's like there (NSFW, swearing by muslims can be heard)
Da6dIWPaQ3s

Any idea what the back-story was on that madness? What was the 'festival' for?

[BushMasterBoy]

Everybody in the forum should watch the video above or click on the link below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6dIWPaQ3s

[spqrzilla]

This is just the result of having Bozo the Clown President and his idiotic foreign policy ideas in action.

Obama did not even know that Egypt had a special "Non NATO" ally status since 1989.

[Singlestack]

Just heard the Marines in the Cairo embassy had been under orders to keep their weapons unloaded. With those kind of ROEs, our people will be killed.

Also heard that the Ambassador that was killed was sodomized by the terrorists before being killed - not sure of the reliability of that, however.

I honestly can't see maintaining embassies in countries controlled by the bad guys. At the rate radical islam is spreading around the world, maybe the next big war is between radical islam and any who oppose it. Saginaw Michigan might be ground zero over here...

Singlestack

[asmo]

Everybody in the forum should watch the video above or click on the link below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6dIWPaQ3s

F*ck the fundamentalists -- on both sides.

[Zundfolge]

This is all a big distraction. There has been unrest in the middle east for quite some time, there's been occasional riots, terrorist attacks, bombings etc also for quite some time.

BUT we have a president that is about to lose ... a leftist president who's buddies run the media so they're running interference for him.


The "mideast situation" is no worse today than at any time in the last few years, we're just hearing about it so we don't notice what a failure Obama is.

The emperor has no clothes.

[Teufelhund]

Pulling out of the middle east isn't an option at this point. If you think a lack of our presence in that area would make them leave us alone you're either delusional or sadly mistaken. Not to mention that until everyone in our country gets over their fears of oil exploration and production techniques we are dependent on that whole area.

We are becoming a nation of pussies... afraid to do what is needed to crush our enemies for fear of being seen as the "bad guy" in the eyes of the world.

Until we can get over this whole "politically correct" way of thinking things are only going to get worse.

Pulling out of the ME isn't the same as running for cover. Look at it more like we're saying, "Fuck you guys; solve your own problems. If you want us, come get us." We shouldn't be standing there letting them piss in our faces, much less giving them money for it and issuing apologies.

I don't think our presence there is stopping them from attacking us here. If they're going to attack us on our own soil, I think we'd be better prepared for it by saving what we're spending on foreign aid and bringing home the fighters to protect our own borders, instead of letting them die in an embassy in a foreign country with an unloaded weapon.

[BPTactical]

This is all a big distraction. There has been unrest in the middle east for quite some time, there's been occasional riots, terrorist attacks, bombings etc also for quite some time.

BUT we have a president that is about to lose ... a leftist president who's buddies run the media so they're running interference for him.


The "mideast situation" is no worse today than at any time in the last few years, we're just hearing about it so we don't notice what a failure Obama is.

The emperor has no clothes.

Quoted for truth as well.

This blame of the video clip being the cause of all this is bunk. These attacks were planned well in advance of 9/11 and "death" of OBL further congealed the hatred for the West.
We are seeing the tip of the iceberg.
And our Admenstruation is either stupid flipping blind or complicit not to see this.
My guess would be the latter of the two.
I feel we will see an increase in domestic incidents by extremists here, the "Detroit will be ground zero" is probably closer to the truth than any of us can comprehend.
Falls into place pretty well with the NDAA, the purchase of large amounts of ammo, military practicing in urban areas, seeing lots of military hardware transported on the highways, LE agencies obtaining heavy armored vehicles and weapons etc.
Rosie picture eh?

[theGinsue]

^^ +1. TRUTH!

[Great-Kazoo]

^^ +1. TRUTH!


And then some. Let us keep in mind the .gov feels prior military, gun owning bitter clingers are the root cause of the problems here in the US of A.
Look and see what will and or would be blamed for setting off the next "local" incident. Inflammatory remarks by anyone other than muslim being the spark that lights a fire. As the media and based on "Confidential Sources" close to the Investigation will lead us to believe, well some of us.

Case in Point. CA LE's are looking to contact the film maker that "Allegedly"
was the cause of rioting. Which BTW Killed a .gov rep and 2 others
ON UNITED STATES SOIL
What would China, Russia or better yet Syria, Iran, hell Saudia Arabia have done in response to our actions???
SURE THE @#$%^ NOT APOLOGIZE. [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]

[wctriumph]

I think we are seeing the stage set for a catastrophic collapse of the ME that this administration has endorsed and has been complicit in.
Once this collapse occurs we will see war, and we will be damn lucky to stay out(which we won't) and we will see thousands of our sons come home in boxes.
I also feel we will see domestic attacks by extremists increase exponentially.

I weep for the future.


As do I Bert.

And for what? So a few corrupt billionaires can make a few more bucks? It has become a business and they want it over there so they can live safely elsewhere. Good women and men will continue to die just to make a buck. Truly shameful.





TEA

[theGinsue]

Jim, along the lines of your comment, my last Active Duty boss just posted this on FB:


[I've chosen NOT to include the picture - too graphic -Ginsue]

Look close everyone and imagine it was your loved one. Hey wimp Obama and the rest of your liberal cronies...you gonna still apologize to the Muslim Brotherhood for this? Are you going to dismiss this as workplace violence like you did the Ft Hood shootings? Why can't you call the Terrorists Extremists by who there are? If you are an American you should be outraged!
[emphasis in red was mine]
this was my response:

If you recall, at the start of his Administration, Obama ruled that the use of the term "terrorist" was no longer to be used regarding the Muslims, etc. Of course, just a few months later his Administration decided to label Vets and many other groups (most of which are non-liberal) "Potential Domestic Terrorists". I've said it for years, we will NEVER change these people and our constant presence in their homelands only acts to further outrage them. We need to pull back all of our personnel and take our money with us. We can use these resources to extinguish their spread into other parts of the world.

[sellersm]

Well said, theGinsue, well said.

[BushMasterBoy]

Apparently we have some missiles gone AWOL in Libya...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/glen-doherty-navy-seal-killed-libya-intel-mission/story?id=17229037

[Teufelhund]

Apparently we have some missiles gone AWOL in Libya...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/glen-doherty-navy-seal-killed-libya-intel-mission/story?id=17229037

That's the guys from the other thread. Guess that's the story they were talking about.

Thank you for your service, gentlemen.

[rockhound]

hide and watch,

this is spreading fast.

bad foreign policy, ROE that make our military appear weaker if not actually weaker, a president that will appease the enemy rather than defend US interests

a pres. that does not know who our allies are much less stand beside them
with a belief that defending yourself is a bad thing.

the third world, or ME militant types survive by pack mentality, when they smell weakness they attack. they know they can propagate this type of action because we will not retaliate, they know our president will if anything apologize and then offer to try the guilty in a court of law with all the protections of our court system, if he even goes that far.

our PC system of military action is making us less of a threat and the enemy knows it.

one embassy attack should be met with extreme prejudice, now there are yemen and egypt, it will continue

if you are going to meddle in the ME then meddle with serious consequences, that is all they understand. we are fiddle farting around, always have, short term short sighted goals

[Ronin13]

I really hate when I'm right...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19602177
"German and UK embassies in Sudan attacked"
Now it's not just us, it's the other western countries. I said who's next, gave a list of potential countries, and here we are, another "Peaceful Religion" country has an uprising.... Hunker down boys, it's only going to get worse!

[dwalker460]

Seriously time to remind these people what "carpet bombing" means.