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GilpinGuy
09-15-2012, 02:58
Beware: Pissed, ranting man posting here!

Man, I live in the middle of nowhere where the gas prices are always outrageous.

I get it:
1) it costs more to haul it up here
2) there are 2 gas stations in the entire County
3) these gas stations know they are the only game around and bend us over
4) tourists who didn't fill up in town are hosed and have to get it there (see #3)

It's been at $3.79 up here for a week or so for the "cheap stuff" for my old Jeep.

I go to "the city" today and go to fill up like I always do when down there, thinking I'll save a few pennies. It's $3.79 in town. I think WTF? Then I drive up the hill....$3.95 now. Overnight. 16 cent increase overnight. That's 4.2%. What goes up 4.2% overnight?

I have a basic understanding of the oil market (no expert, that's for sure) and get how it works, but this just seems totally f-ed up. 4.2% overnight? A few cents every few days has less of an effect psychologically at least. But no, just jam it all up the butt all at once. Screw them - they need it. They'll pay for it. And no, I'm no "oil company conspiracy guy". It's just the whole situation that pisses me off.

Son of a bitch...gas is our #3 expense for our household now, behind mortgage and food (and it's pretty close with food - scary). Two adults and two kids (third due in 6 weeks).

This is getting crazy man. 4 years ago we were below $2 a gallon, now we're almost $4? In September? Nothing doubles that fast does it? Has ANYTHING doubled in price in the last 4 years? Gold maybe? And what does that say?

And no, I can't drive a fucking Volt or a Pious at 9,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains Mr. Obummer. Asshat.

Rant over. Just pisses off. Can't do a damn thing about it either but pull the RIGHT lever in November. That might help...a little. OK, now rant over. Seriously. <deeeeeep breath>

zteknik
09-15-2012, 03:05
I feel your pain Brah!!!
It still is better than back east.
But it can only happen under the current administration.

If things were at a normal increase we would probably be at about$3 a gal.
But with this clown the rate of increase has doubled!!!
Say where in in 8 years of normal increase it took 4!!!

Keep the change-I want my country back!!!!!!!!!!!!

GilpinGuy
09-15-2012, 03:10
I feel your pain Brah!!!
It still is better than back east.
But it can only happen under the current administration.

If things were at a normal increase we would probably be at about$3 a gal.
But with this clown the rate of increase has doubled!!!
Say where in in 8 years of normal increase it took 4!!!

Keep the change-I want my country back!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read somewhere that it's at $9 a gallon on Long Island? Holy crap! Montauk maybe? Hard to believe.

zteknik
09-15-2012, 03:15
I read somewhere that it's at $9 a gallon on Long Island? Holy crap! Montauk maybe? Hard to believe.
Yup,last guy I knew that went out that way had done so for his company and they geeked when he handed them the bill.
Unfrigginbeleavable!!!![Rant1]
I'd just take the train and hoof it then!!

soldier-of-the-apocalypse
09-15-2012, 03:28
It's been around 4.10 for a month for diesel in Denver do don't feel so bad

spittoon
09-15-2012, 03:44
just wait with the middle east blowing up .I don't want to know what it will be next mouth let alone for hunting season , and energy in general heating the house thank god for fire wood. gas is killing me to and soon the price of food

jerrymrc
09-15-2012, 05:21
It was $4.10 and higher in Portland 2 weeks ago with plenty of competition.

Bailey Guns
09-15-2012, 07:22
$111.64 to fill the tank on my pickup yesterday. [Rant1]

On a side note... I started using the mid-grade gas this last tank. My 2500HD normally does just under 12MPG on regular unleaded. Same driving (just back and forth to work and a trip down the hill to the metro area) and I got 14.6MPG outta the mid-grade.

$.10 cents per gallon more, but a 3MPG increase. That's an extra 90 miles on a 30 gallon tank for only $3 more per tank.

birddog
09-15-2012, 08:06
I want to know why when they say it's going to go up it happens overnight, but when they say it's coming down it takes a month or more and usually spike again twice as much in that period.

How's that for a run on sentence. [ROFL2]


There was a time that I would have been happy to pay $111 to fill up my dodge. When it was ~4.20 a gallon my pump price was around 155. I sure wish it was back under a dollar though, same truck would be $35 to fill up.

No wonder our economy is in the shitter. We put all our money into the gas pump and have none left over to boost the local economy with. I'm sure we are stimulating those foreign economies real good though.

BPTactical
09-15-2012, 08:11
$111.64 to fill the tank on my pickup yesterday. [Rant1]

On a side note... I started using the mid-grade gas this last tank. My 2500HD normally does just under 12MPG on regular unleaded. Same driving (just back and forth to work and a trip down the hill to the metro area) and I got 14.6MPG outta the mid-grade.

$.10 cents per gallon more, but a 3MPG increase. That's an extra 90 miles on a 30 gallon tank for only $3 more per tank.

Yup, I have noticed a marked difference when I run the primo or midgrade as well.

birddog
09-15-2012, 08:12
Also: what is this that I keep hearing about a cheaper winter blend? I had no idea that there was any difference between winter blend and summer blend?

jerrymrc
09-15-2012, 08:20
Yup, I have noticed a marked difference when I run the primo or midgrade as well.

That is all the GP runs on. If I put reg in it the computer learns real fast to back the timing down with the attending drop in HP and mileage.

Monky
09-15-2012, 08:23
Yah gas went up over $100 yesterday in trading.. then dropped to 99.. go go middle east/africa unrest!

rockhound
09-15-2012, 08:35
the ram runs me $125 to fill her up with diesel,

heard a rumor that there are two refineries going off line back east next month because of EPA regs.

gnihcraes
09-15-2012, 08:42
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

This one is a little better for current pricing around town. Looks like the grocery stores like Kings/Safeway have cheaper prices. (before discount cards)

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/web_map.php

ChunkyMonkey
09-15-2012, 08:53
Are you guys sure about the gas price increase??? Because the mainstream media hasn't mentioned a thing, so it cannot be as bad as the spike during Bush era. /sarcasm

tmleadr03
09-15-2012, 08:59
Really? I run a mobile auto repair business. I bought my truck at the beginning of the year at 78K miles. Currently it is at 86K almost 87K. Two times a week if not three at 60 bucks a pop. Not as bad a truckers but it still sucks. I spend as much on fuel as I would on a shop rent. Hopefully I can switch out to a roof before the snow hits.

Irving
09-15-2012, 09:07
Also: what is this that I keep hearing about a cheaper winter blend? I had no idea that there was any difference between winter blend and summer blend?

I am under this impression as well. I know that my Cavalier would only get something like 380 miles to a tank all last winter. This summer I've been able to get as much as 410 miles to the tank.

I actually ran out of gas at exactly 404.5 miles once in the spring. I noticed that I was getting better mileage than usual and was really pushing it. Now I try and fill up around 400 miles.

Rooskibar03
09-15-2012, 09:25
Yup, I have noticed a marked difference when I run the primo or midgrade as well.


Wait, Tom Martino says paying more for high grade fuel is a waste of your money. Who am I to believe now? Oh the humanity.

For the record I only run premium as that's when the car requires.

Irving
09-15-2012, 09:27
I think it really depends on the kind of car. I think some cars might get worse gas mileage if you put premium in them instead of regular.

JCzzle
09-15-2012, 09:37
I really don't know why oil is demonized so much.

IT WORKS! if it ain't broke don't fix it.

hammer03
09-15-2012, 15:10
diesel did it a few weeks ago. Hurts.

MrPrena
09-15-2012, 15:25
NY Mercantile - Oil Futures

Doesn't look too good.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/fc?s=CLV12.NYM+Futures+Chain

birddog
09-15-2012, 15:30
NY Mercantile - Oil Futures

Doesn't look too good.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/fc?s=CLV12.NYM+Futures+Chain

Yea, down by a couple of dollars each time, up by less than a dollar and the price of gas still goes up

MrPrena
09-15-2012, 15:32
Yea, down by a couple of dollars each time, up by less than a dollar and the price of gas still goes up
Yeah. tons of other variables.
None are helping us.

FastMan
09-15-2012, 17:04
Get used to it, ya'll, it's just going to get worse. The falling value of the dollar, because of our run away national debt, has some to do with it. Even when oil remains stable it costs you and I more because it take more of our tanking dollars to buy it. With the printing machines turned on now to feed QE3 it's just going to keep getting worse.

All the while, our glorious POTUS keep putting up barriers on exploiting our domestic energy resources. Go ahead, try to tell me he's not doing this on purpose.

Goodburbon
09-15-2012, 18:17
Yep. I work for oil, but it costs me $100 to get to work and $100 to get home. People think I'm just picky when I bitch about my ecoboost "up to 22mpg" getting 17mpg on the highway.

bigun1962
09-15-2012, 19:08
You have to stay away from the moonshine to get any mileage. Corn is going to 16.00 per bushel by next spring and soybeans 25-30. Lets make more ethanol out of corn (retards).

I estimate meat will double to triple in the next year. Fuel has to become cheaper or the economy will be sorry. Unless wages double.

Everyone of those 18 wheeler burn around 600.00 of fuel per day. Some more some less.

Replace Obama. I dare you!

ChunkyMonkey
09-15-2012, 19:11
And my dumbass just quit a position that provided free car and gas all year around. [Rant1]

Irving
09-15-2012, 19:15
You just quit? Stupid, now you have to buy your own Suburban.

brutal
09-15-2012, 20:58
I read somewhere that it's at $9 a gallon on Long Island? Holy crap! Montauk maybe? Hard to believe.

I believe you're referring to the LukOil $9.99 gas pricing protest. The stations did that in protest to corporate's higher fixed price costs than competing stations.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-09-13/news/33791009_1_prices-higher-octane-gas-sal-risalvato

whiskeyjack
09-15-2012, 21:56
170$ to fill my truck up.

ChunkyMonkey
09-15-2012, 22:11
You just quit? Stupid, now you have to buy your own Suburban.

Different lender, different incentives :D

Mazin
09-16-2012, 12:51
I hear ya man, just got a commuter car 5 weeks ago because the F150 was costing my $500+ a mo in gas. Got hit thursday and now I'm back to square one. And why can't we drill here agin? Oh forgot we live in the obllunder years...I hope I have some change left.

02ducky
09-16-2012, 13:43
Yeah it's crap, wonder where the outcry is? The freKing liberal media was blasting Bush for this during his second term for the high gas prices. I am so over this crap and cost of gas and everything else that had been going up.

Do you smell what the Rock is cooking?

BushMasterBoy
09-16-2012, 14:01
I'm just wondering when we end up with a make your own fuel section in the forum. Some people out there are making their own ethanol. Others are using vegetable oil to fuel their diesels. I'd rather do something than just rant about it...

FastMan
09-16-2012, 14:27
I'd rather do something than just rant about it...

That happens November 6th.

tmleadr03
09-16-2012, 14:48
I'm just wondering when we end up with a make your own fuel section in the forum. Some people out there are making their own ethanol. Others are using vegetable oil to fuel their diesels. I'd rather do something than just rant about it...

Veggie oil is OK but better is cooking your own biodiesel especially in the cold weather. Less gelling. You need quite a bit of space to make the biodiesel and legally I think I read you need to pay tax on it.

BushMasterBoy
09-16-2012, 14:51
That happens November 6th.


Oh thats so clever. We can vote and the price of fuel will drop $2 a gallon the next day. I think I will just keep collecting parts to make a distillery, you can go vote a fuel price decrease...[ROFL1]

TEAMRICO
09-16-2012, 15:32
Oh thats so clever. We can vote and the price of fuel will drop $2 a gallon the next day. I think I will just keep collecting parts to make a distillery, you can go vote a fuel price decrease...[ROFL1]

WOW!
Someone actually thinks they are a 5 Star General!

Way to be an a-hole to some peoples contributions.

BushMasterBoy
09-16-2012, 16:58
WOW!
Someone actually thinks they are a 5 Star General!

Way to be an a-hole to some peoples contributions.


I refuse to match wits with the unarmed...

FastMan
09-16-2012, 17:20
Oh thats so clever. We can vote and the price of fuel will drop $2 a gallon the next day. I think I will just keep collecting parts to make a distillery, you can go vote a fuel price decrease...[ROFL1]

Energy independence could be a contributor to a solution to several problems that currently plague us. Jobs. Middle East conflict, and American lives lost engaging in it. Cost of living for average Joe and Jane Americans.

We now have the means for energy independence, more so than just a few years ago. What we don't currently have is an administration that has any interest in pursing it. That can change November 6th. No, of course it will not happen in a day, but if Romney is elected we'll be a day closer to achieving the goal on Nov 7th.

If Obama wins, put in overtime on that distillery of yours.

Ah Pook
09-16-2012, 17:38
I get it:
1) it costs more to haul it up here
2) there are 2 gas stations in the entire County
3) these gas stations know they are the only game around and bend us over
4) tourists who didn't fill up in town are hosed and have to get it there (see #3)
Sucks to be you. I refuse to go the Taggart's, unless the truck is on fumes, then it's just enough gas to get me to Idaho Springs. Had to stop in there this summer and it was $0.20 more a gallon then Ned.

roberth
09-16-2012, 18:02
Nowadays I believe fuel costs are driven more by politics (over-regulation and lawsuits) than by supply and demand.

Please take into account that 40 cents of each gallon goes towards taxes, 22 cents to Colorado and 18 cents to the federal government. http://www.gaspricewatch.com/web_gas_taxes.php

For instance, I believe that if the administration were to encourage more drilling (not bloody likely) through deregulation and shitcanning these bullshit lawsuits laid by the "environmental" community that the market price of oil would drop considerably and the pump price would come down substantially as well.

OPEC, a monopoly and a political organization, has a vested interest in selling their product. Therefore they will respond to our increased domestic production by lowering their own prices in order to maintain their market share.

If Romney's team were to come out with a statement that they were going to deregulate the oil/gas industry and open various area for exploration AND Romney won the election then we'd see a drop in pricing very quickly.

If Obama wins, you can count on fuel prices to increase.

This site contains information about who the United States imports their oil from. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm If you look at each country separately you will notice that Canada is our number one source, Saudi Arabia is number two and Mexico is number three.

MrPrena
09-16-2012, 18:06
I agree with majority of statement about gas prices.
If I may add.
It is also driven by geopolitical issues PLUS speculators.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/fc?s=RBV12.NYM+Futures+Chain

hatidua
09-16-2012, 18:54
-just back from Newfoundland several weeks ago, $5.58/gallon. Things may not be perfect in CO, but we don't pay over $5/gallon just yet...

ezgoinrob
09-16-2012, 19:03
All this and it about $0.78 per gallon in Bahrain.
Ez

[harley]

Chad4000
09-16-2012, 19:43
$111.64 to fill the tank on my pickup yesterday. [Rant1]

On a side note... I started using the mid-grade gas this last tank. My 2500HD normally does just under 12MPG on regular unleaded. Same driving (just back and forth to work and a trip down the hill to the metro area) and I got 14.6MPG outta the mid-grade.

$.10 cents per gallon more, but a 3MPG increase. That's an extra 90 miles on a 30 gallon tank for only $3 more per tank.


thats a real good boost right there....

roberth
09-16-2012, 20:02
All this and it about $0.78 per gallon in Bahrain.
Ez

[harley]

Yup, location, location, location equals lower transportation costs. It doesn't hurt that the Bahrain government owns the local refinery. The government can set the price artificially low for the locals because they make so much money on the global market.

The Bahrain Petro Company was started by Standard Oil of California in 1929. http://www.bapco.net/default.asp?action=category&id=28

BushMasterBoy
09-16-2012, 20:18
You can make your own fuel

http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/index.html

jerrymrc
09-16-2012, 21:12
-just back from Newfoundland several weeks ago, $5.58/gallon. Things may not be perfect in CO, but we don't pay over $5/gallon just yet...

I hope ya had fun. Those Newfie girls are a trip. [Flower]

roberth
09-17-2012, 06:55
I found this a while back when I was doing some research. This is a California Gasoline Price Breakdown.

http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.php

This is an article from ExxonMobil.

http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com/2011/04/27/gas-prices-and-industry-earnings-a-few-things-to-think-about/

Ronin13
09-17-2012, 09:37
I actually got into an argument this weekend with a liberal (yeah I know [Stooge]) about fuel and the economic impact it has. My main point was that Obummer's administration was not oil friendly- when honestly, this whole 'green' bullshit has to stop. We won't have full-on electric cars anytime soon, we won't have hydrogen cars soon, and they're not going to figure out a more efficient way to make ethanol fuel and algae derived bio diesel in the next 10 years; top that all off with experts (remember, the guys smarter than you and I on the subject) anticipate a new fuel-system vehicle will take 30+ years to completely integrate into society (if you think about the folks who love their classics and guys like me who actually like to drive, not just have a car to get from A to B).

I told this liberal that Obama had blocked US oil companies from drilling off our own shores (fear of another Deep Water Horizon incident, moron), meanwhile gave BILLIONS to Brazil for their offshore drilling. He also blocked the keystone pipeline (probably the "NIMBY" excuse) which hurt us even more. Also, little known fact, the EPA and the Oblahblahblah administration put up more regulations that make places like Prudhoe Bay less productive.

I anticipate one of the factors to a collapse could be that fuel becomes too expensive for the average person, and with our shoddy public transit system (there's actually one thing we could do better like Europe) people will just stop. When you have to decide which to pay, bills or fuel, that's when SHTF. We need something to stop this energy freeze.

ChunkyMonkey
09-17-2012, 10:59
^ as far as energy cost concern, libtards cannot blame it on the economy. Their chief of liar...
HlTxGHn4sH4


Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket