Training Requirement?

[NGCSUGrad09]

I have a question on the training requirement for a Colorado CCW application. I've never had an official NRA pistol or whatever class, but have a lot of hours of more advanced stuff from guys like Hackathorn, Vickers, Rogers Shooting School, etc.

What is the requirement for a class from a "certified" instructor? I have original, signed certificates for these but will they pass muster. I'll be applying in Adams county for what its worth.

[FastMan]

I'm sure some instructors will chime in here.

I'll just say I took the class a couple months ago. I'd taken a CCW training class in Florida 7 years prior, but they would not accept it because the trainer was not on the NRA qualified trainers list, so I took it again here in Colorado. Turns out the Florida class was much more comprehensive, 3 days of training and range time, compared with just a few hours and no range time in the one here.

So, I'll guess if your training was not an official NRA course for CCW qualification then it probably won't qualify. Just a guess, we'll see what the experts have to say.

[asmo]

From CRS 18-12-202:

(2) "Certified instructor" means an instructor for a firearms safety course who is certified as a firearms instructor by:
(a) A county, municipal, state, or federal law enforcement agency;
(b) The peace officers standards and training board created in section 24-31-302, C.R.S.;
(c) A federal military agency; or
(d) A national nonprofit organization that certifies firearms instructors, operates national firearms competitions, and provides training, including courses in personal protection, in small arms safety, use, and marksmanship.

Read NRA.

I believe Larry Vickers is an NRA instructor. Here is the funny thing - I, as an NRA instructor, don't have to teach an NRA sanctioned class to sign you off. I can teach whatever I want but so as long as you have my NRA instructor number on your certificate it counts..

[Great-Kazoo]

From CRS 18-12-202:

(2) "Certified instructor" means an instructor for a firearms safety course who is certified as a firearms instructor by:
(a) A county, municipal, state, or federal law enforcement agency;
(b) The peace officers standards and training board created in section 24-31-302, C.R.S.;
(c) A federal military agency; or
(d) A national nonprofit organization that certifies firearms instructors, operates national firearms competitions, and provides training, including courses in personal protection, in small arms safety, use, and marksmanship.

Read NRA.

I believe Larry Vickers is an NRA instructor. Here is the funny thing - I, as an NRA instructor, don't have to teach an NRA sanctioned class to sign you off. I can teach whatever I want but so as long as you have my NRA instructor number on your certificate it counts..

This and This. providing you are not issuing an NRA cretificate for a non-NRA class.

[Bailey Guns]

I've been an NRA Instructor for over 12 years. Never taught an official NRA class.

I was an NRA Police Instructor for 12 years. When I left law enforcement that counted for zip. To get "civilian" credentials I had to attend their silly Instructor Course. Most boring 3 days of my life.

I'm a big fan of the NRA...but outside of safety, their training practices are pretty much straight outta the 60s.

[StagLefty]

I've been an NRA Instructor for over 12 years. Never taught an official NRA class.

I was an NRA Police Instructor for 12 years. When I left law enforcement that counted for zip. To get "civilian" credentials I had to attend their silly Instructor Course. Most boring 3 days of my life.

I'm a big fan of the NRA...but outside of safety, their training practices are pretty much straight outta the 60s.

I have a good friend who's a Training Counselor and taught my classes 18 years ago. He says you wouldn't believe the hoops you have to jump through now compared to back then. [Beer]

[Circuits]

If you're not active military or LE, then it's gotta be a national nonprofit vouching for your credentials. For 99% of us, that's NRA certified.

I'm close to saying 100%, because if there are other national nonprofits that qualify, I haven't run into any.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have a good friend who's a Training Counselor and taught my classes 18 years ago. He says you wouldn't believe the hoops you have to jump through now compared to back then. [Beer]

Very true.

[Bailey Guns]

I did the UT instructor thing. I'm pretty sure that would qualify under CO law, too. Though as non-LE, I'm not sure if being certified by the UT BCI would be a LE cert or non-profit cert.

Off-Topic: UT gun laws must be the best in the country.

[TFOGGER]

I did the UT instructor thing. I'm pretty sure that would qualify under CO law, too. Though as non-LE, I'm not sure if being certified by the UT BCI would be a LE cert or non-profit cert.

Off-Topic: UT gun laws must be the best in the country.

Except for the "no carry in church/houses of worship" thing. They don't even have to post signs.

[Great-Kazoo]

Except for the "no carry in church/houses of worship" thing. They don't even have to post signs.

Include the daily", weekly ? BG checks ran on CCW holders, unless they stopped that wonderful idea.

[lowbeyond]

Yep. They would not accept mine from Bruce gray, magpul, etc. But they did take nra basic pistol which is basically this a gun this is where the pointy Things Come out. Don't point it at stuff

Ok. Whatever. Ha

[Bailey Guns]

You have to take a UT specific course taught by a UT certified instructor now. NRA Basic Pistol doesn't work (been that way for at least the last 4 years...I don't know what it was like before that).

You can carry in a "house of worship" as long as it's not prohibited there. But, just like Colorado, the "house of worship" can prohibit carry since it's private property. They don't do background checks on permit holders on any sort of regular basis unless it's renewal time or you've had some sort of issue...criminal charges, DUI, etc...

In UT, if you have a permit you can carry in K-12 schools, don't need a BG check when buying a gun, the state presumes you acted reasonably in a "make my day" type shooting, "make my day" extends to other places besides your home...good place for guns.

UT scored a perfect ZERO (or maybe it was 100...forget which way the scale went) on the last Brady "rate the states" list for state gun laws.