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Goodburbon
09-16-2012, 11:43
So all of the libertarians on this board are thought of as "not understanding how things really worK" etc.
I have a proposition. Since this is "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER" I might be willing to hold my nose and vote Romney. In exchange, in 2016, not only will I vote what I actually believe in, not who I think will win, not against the guy who I can't let win. I want all of you to do the same. Since that election won't be as important and all.
HoneyBadger
09-16-2012, 20:17
So all of the libertarians on this board are thought of as "not understanding how things really worK" etc.
I have a proposition. Since this is "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER" I might be willing to hold my nose and vote Romney. In exchange, in 2016, not only will I vote what I actually believe in, not who I think will win, not against the guy who I can't let win. I want all of you to do the same. Since that election won't be as important and all.
All the silence is hurting my head.
GB, If I thought Johnson had even a hint of a chance this election, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Believe it or not, you're not the only one holding their nose this time. I do practice what I preach. Romney was one of my least appealing choices during the primary. Not that we actually had any say in it. By the time it came to be Colorado's turn to speak, the game was in the books.
If Romney loses, watch for a 3rd party to take a more serious run at it next time. And with the damage Obama will do, watch for even Democrats to become willing to take a shot on them.
Now the scary part is what if theres more of the same kind of schmucks running then?? More battles of the lesser of 2 evils again and another step back for the U.S.A.
It would be nice if they presented us with some decent candidates but I guess we shall see what kind of wake up call were going to get..
God help us all. For reason I can't get the sound of a toilet flushing out of my head.
KevDen2005
09-16-2012, 21:45
I have to sort of agree with you. I am not necessarily libertarian but I certainly don't consider myself republican. I think it is important for the task at hand to to rid the white house of its current occupant...then start bringing out a new party to run. That's just my thought.
I'm sure they will dredge up the next new "villian" in 2016 so it will become the "most important election ever" again....
I'm sure they will dredge up the next new "villian" in 2016 so it will become the "most important election ever" again....
And it just might be true again, as it is this time.
If listened to them cry wolf for 50 years. I always rolled my eyes. This time I believe it true.
And it just might be true again, as it is this time.
If listened to them cry wolf for 50 years. I always rolled my eyes. This time I believe it true.
Maybe so. I guess I'm just a little more pessimistic about the system that rules us.
Great-Kazoo
09-16-2012, 22:44
Maybe so. I guess I'm just a little more pessimistic about the system that rules us.
The system is falling apart, quicker than slower. I'm not holding my nose, i'm holding my head in disgust at the crap i hear regarding how mitt this, mitt that.
Once again, WILL SOME POLITICIAN TELL ME WHAT, IF ELECTED, THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR US???
My major concern with the lying king being reelected is the supreme court.
That is where the real decisions regarding the 2A will be fought and decided.
Can O if elected push for tighter gun control and another AWB, sure. However with a solid dem-liberal SC any challenge to new and or existing gun laws will be for naught.
In 2008 Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel PEACE PRIZE.
In 2012 our sovereign soil in the form of US Embassies were not only attacked, but AMERICAN CITIZENS were KILLED. Most countries would consider this a declaration of war. Our president declared a LOVE for his Muslim brothers.
The only peace we will get is when O is removed from office.
dwalker460
09-17-2012, 12:06
I dont necessarily belive what Romney has to say on financial, budget, or similar policy issues, but I do believe he will not increase gun control and in fact may restore some of the freedoms we have already lost.
I 100% believe Obummer that he wants more than anything else to disarm the populace, that NO ONE should own a gun for ANYTHING and these are among his personal goals.I believe every single word he has to say about taking individual rights and trashing any inconvienent personal freedoms we enjoy. I believe him when he says this.
You should to.
Romneys 2nd record- http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
Obummer did sign the open carry in parks thing, but it was bundled with a lot of other stuff and he had no choice but to sign it into law. NOT the same as supporting anything fellas.
You can vote for whomever you want. I know who I am voting for, and its not because I believe he is the ideal candidate. Such a person does not exist. Never will. I am a Republican, because my values are most closely reflected by that party. I do not agree with everything the party has to say and I do not believe in many things the party has done, however NO PARTY will ever be everything, and any party that seems to be "perfect" to you should immediately be suspect. The things I dont like about the party- like a continuing interest and debate on abortion, gay marriage, etc. that I believe detract from more pressing issues, I tend to ignore and work from within to get people to focus on what I do believe is important, like actual better education, fiscal responisbility, strong foreign policy etc.
I am a Republican, because my values are most closely reflected by that party. I do not agree with everything the party has to say and I do not believe in many things the party has done, however NO PARTY will ever be everything, and any party that seems to be "perfect" to you should immediately be suspect. The things I dont like about the party- like a continuing interest and debate on abortion, gay marriage, etc. that I believe detract from more pressing issues, I tend to ignore and work from within to get people to focus on what I do believe is important, like actual better education, fiscal responisbility, strong foreign policy etc.
I've always believed that if a person agrees with everything about their parties platform, then they're likely not thinking, they're just following and cheerleading. Societies sheep, easily lead to the lair.
The system is falling apart, quicker than slower. I'm not holding my nose, i'm holding my head in disgust at the crap i hear regarding how mitt this, mitt that.
Once again, WILL SOME POLITICIAN TELL ME WHAT, IF ELECTED, THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR US???
My major concern with the lying king being reelected is the supreme court.
That is where the real decisions regarding the 2A will be fought and decided.
Can O if elected push for tighter gun control and another AWB, sure. However with a solid dem-liberal SC any challenge to new and or existing gun laws will be for naught.
In 2008 Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel PEACE PRIZE.
In 2012 our sovereign soil in the form of US Embassies were not only attacked, but AMERICAN CITIZENS were KILLED. Most countries would consider this a declaration of war. Our president declared a LOVE for his Muslim brothers.
The only peace we will get is when O is removed from office.
Amen!
I for one declared that this will be most likely be the last election I vote republican in... from here on out, it's not 'who's going to be Obama' but actually (since in '08 I wasn't as politically enlightened) who will be the best. [Beer]
For the record, on an international issue- A friend of mine living in Tel Aviv (that's Israel :) ) is worried about this election, she said if she were me she'd vote for the person who would be a better friend to Israel. Out of the two, Romney, all the way... considering Oblahblahblah hasn't really shown much friendship that way.
BPTactical
09-17-2012, 13:03
BHO flat out threw the Israeli's under the bus.
I had to shake my head the other day when I saw a table with 3 ladies and a "American Jews for Obama" sign on it.
WTF????
Some folks just don't quite get it do they?
BHO flat out threw the Israeli's under the bus.
I had to shake my head the other day when I saw a table with 3 ladies and a "American Jews for Obama" sign on it.
WTF????
Some folks just don't quite get it do they?
"I'm sorry Mr Netanyahu, I don't have time to meet with you when you come to the U.S." Hangs up. "Yes David, I can be on the Letterman show, my schedule is pretty open." -Obama [Bang]
Goodburbon
09-17-2012, 15:15
I've always believed that if a person agrees with everything about their parties platform, then they're likely not thinking, they're just following and cheerleading. Societies sheep, easily lead to the lair.
If I'm a libertarian, and there's a libertarian party...that doesn't make me a sheep.
I'm a libertarian, and associate with a large flock of Republicans most of the time. When the time comes to vote, and the flock of Republicans starts chanting "Follow us, we must not let the Democrats win, your candidate can not win.", I am a sheep if I follow the larger crowd by definition, am I not?
Awaiting "No, you're smart because you didn't let obama win." response.
If I'm a libertarian, and there's a libertarian party...that doesn't make me a sheep.
I'm a libertarian, and associate with a large flock of Republicans most of the time. When the time comes to vote, and the flock of Republicans starts chanting "Follow us, we must not let the Democrats win, your candidate can not win.", I am a sheep if I follow the larger crowd by definition, am I not?
Awaiting "No, you're smart because you didn't let obama win." response.
GoodBurbon, you misunderstood what I was saying. Associating yourself with a particular party doesn't necessarily make you a sheep. It can simply mean it's the party you find yourself in most agreement with, for the bulk and/or most important issues of the day. It doesn't necessarily mean you're in 100 percent agreement with everything they advocate. I know I'm sure not with the republican party. On the whole my leanings are more in harmony with the libertarian party.
And yes, you're right, it's because you're smart and caring for the welfare of the country.
Goodburbon
09-17-2012, 15:48
And yes, you're right, it's because you're smart and caring for the welfare of the country.
No, that's the reason why I don't want to vote for either of those 2 parties. Because together they have led us here.
No, that's the reason why I don't want to vote for either of those 2 parties. Because together they have led us here.
Think it through, then, and do what YOU feel is best. That's all any of us can do, GoodBurbon. You've heard what myself and others think about it, but in the end you have to make up your own mind, based on your own best judgement. Don't let anyone pressure you into a course of action. All our opinions should represent are perspectives to take into consideration within YOUR own personal decision process.
HoneyBadger
09-17-2012, 17:00
Think it through, then, and do what YOU feel is best. That's all any of us can do, GoodBurbon. You've heard what myself and others think about it, but in the end you have to make up your own mind, based on your own best judgement. Don't let anyone pressure you into a course of action. All our opinions should represent are perspectives to take into consideration within YOUR own personal decision process.
With all due respect, I think GoodBurbon has already made up his mind and will vote based on his best judgement. ;)
[Coffee]
Goodburbon
09-17-2012, 17:07
I have been seriously considering voting "against obama" lately. But then thanks to someone here I was reminded that it would make me a "sheep", so I'm now feeling like I would be selling out my principles based on a fear based message. The exact type of politicking I hate the most.
With all due respect, I think GoodBurbon has already made up his mind and will vote based on his best judgement. ;)
[Coffee]
I don't know, he HB, looks like he's still struggling with it. I don't think he's messing with us, I'll take him at his word.
I have been seriously considering voting "against obama" lately. But then thanks to someone here I was reminded that it would make me a "sheep", so I'm now feeling like I would be selling out my principles based on a fear based message. The exact type of politicking I hate the most.
If you don't think there's really anything to be concerned about in that message, then I understand how you'd feel that way. I would too.
ANADRILL
09-17-2012, 18:20
FBO...
Soooooo many people say that they would rather vote for someone else, but they can't because of all the other stupid people who only vote the party line. So now, it is less stupid to follow the dumb voters, in order to prevent the other dumb voters from winning with their guy. What happened to the spirit of standing up for what is right, even when you are out numbered?
Goodburbon
09-17-2012, 19:43
That's just it though. So many have said they would rather vote for someone else, that if they did politics as we know it would fundamentally change.
I don't want to hear any more BS about how anyone would rather vote for someone else, except....
All that says is "I'm a coward." Either be a coward, or don't be one, but for the love of the US, stop trying to convince everyone else that being a coward is the way to go.
HoneyBadger
09-17-2012, 19:47
Soooooo many people say that they would rather vote for someone else, but they can't because of all the other stupid people who only vote the party line. So now, it is less stupid to follow the dumb voters, in order to prevent the other dumb voters from winning with their guy. What happened to the spirit of standing up for what is right, even when you are out numbered?
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
-Dwight Eisenhower, inaugural address, Jan 20 1953
I don't want to hear any more BS about how anyone would rather vote for someone else, except....
All that says is "I'm a coward." Either be a coward, or don't be one, but for the love of the US, stop trying to convince everyone else that being a coward is the way to go.
With this being said, at this point in the election, I don't feel there is anyone else to vote for but Romney, because of the way the primaries have gone. The attitude of the coward voters and the stupid party line voters, needs to be changed well before the primaries. It is too late now.
With this being said, at this point in the election, I don't feel there is anyone else to vote for but Romney, because of the way the primaries have gone. The attitude of the coward voters and the stupid party line voters, needs to be changed well before the primaries. It is too late now.
Yep. Which is why, and the only exception will be if Romney turns out to be a presidential rockstar and really wow us all, I think there needs to be a charge next year to try to get a 3rd party in the White House (that is if Obama gets defeated and we stave off disaster a little longer). Seriously, there could be a chance in 2016 if we start as soon as *hopefully* Romney gets sworn in.
Rust_shackleford
09-19-2012, 14:00
Any one notice the Middle East "expert" was a Council on Foreign Relations member?
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