Bill would ban guns on CU

[Adawg38]

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/289699/222/Bill-would-allow-CU-to-ban-guns

Hope this is not a repost, but didn't see it. I know it's not much news but they won't give up!

[speedysst]

I thought this issue had been decided by the State Supreme Court already.

[Adawg38]

Her proposed legislation is in response to a state supreme court ruling this past March that threw out the University of Colorado's long standing ban of guns on campus. The policy had been successfully challenged by Students for Concealed Carry.

"The supreme court ruled that when the legislature passed the Concealed Carry Act in 2003, the legislators made the decision to allow concealed carry everywhere in the state, including college campuses," says Jim Manley with Mountain States Legal Foundation, the attorney who represented Students for Concealed Carry.

CU complied with the ruling by the state supreme court but concerns from university faculty members have come with it.

"What really motivated me to do this was the faculty members, who reached out to me and said, 'wait a minute; are you saying that I have to teach in a classroom in which somebody may be carrying a gun and I don't know it,'" Levy said.

"What I'm planning to do is introduce legislation that would allow CU to make the decision whether or not to allow guns on campus," she explained. "I'm not going to have a bill that requires a ban or prohibits anything. I really think that the regents are the appropriate body to make the decision whether or not guns should be allowed on campus."

[brutal]

"What really motivated me to do this was the faculty members, who reached out to me and said, 'wait a minute; are you saying that I have to teach in a classroom in which somebody may be carrying a gun and I don't know it,'" Levy said.



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And these are educators.



"What really motivated me to do this was the faculty members, who reached out to me and said, 'wait a minute; are you saying that [B]I have to teach in a classroom in which somebody may be LEGALLY carrying a gun and I don't know it,'" Levy said.



Fixed it for them. Yes you do moron.

[spqrzilla]

I thought this issue had been decided by the State Supreme Court already.

The Colorado Supreme Court stated that the Legislature's acts could not be ignored by CU. If the bill passed and Gov loopie signed it, CU would be able to enforce its ban.

[theGinsue]

Adawg & spqrzilla are correct.

Frankly, I'm baffled that anyone is surprised by this - particularly with the recent round of balking from the CU Regents.

Let me lay this out:
The PEOPLE of Colorado finally got it's elected officially to listen to them and pass this original piece of legislation that gave state level recognition of our Second Amendment rights.

The Regents of CU, believing that they are their own entity which can determine their own rules, laws, and manner of operating, felt that the laws of the State didn't apply to them. As such, they continued to restrict the Peoples 2A rights. After all, everyone knows that by prohibiting guns, bad guys can't/won't violate the force shield of regulation enacted by the All Powerful Regents of CU. They said "We are supreme beings of logic and science and have the insight to know that these inanimate object are truly vile and evil. These are the borders of our Utopia and those evil guns Shall Not Pass!"

This decision was challenged in the Courts by the People. The Courts decided that CU is an entity of the State and must abide by the laws of the State, without the freedom to pick and choose what they want to follow. The Courts said "the legislature has spoken".

With their panties in a twist because they were told they aren't as high & mighty as they believed, the Regents of CU began looking at the law and at the Courts decision. "You will not tell us what we can and can not do" was their cry. As collegiate "educators" which equates to being smarter than the rest of us, they found the chink in the Courts decision. "If we get the legislature to amend the law, we can regain our control".

And so it came to pass that the Regents of CU found a champion in a left-wind liberal gun-hater who had introduced legislation to correct the error previously made by the legislature which limited the control that the Regents of CU could wield.

The rest of the story is, as of yet, untold.

[Teufelhund]

Ginsue, that was just great. [Beer]

[Teufelhund]

This video is a couple years old, but it is most of the best gun control arguments wrapped up in 10 minutes.

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Stossel is the man.

[DD977GM2]

She needs to be voted out of office [Bang]

[spqrzilla]

This needs a lot of letter writing to each of your own state reps.

[Ronin13]

I sent her an email:

Dear Mrs. Levy,
I recently read an article posted by 9News about your intent to introduce legislation that would allow colleges to ban guns on their campus. Coming off of the CO Supreme Court decision to allow Coloradans to exercise their right to lawfully carry a concealed firearm on college campuses I find your behavior to be very short sighted and it further proves your lack of knowledge of the facts. I'm writing you now to hopefully educate you and perhaps to persuade you to cease this legislation before the next session. I understand that many of your constituents in Boulder are opposed to guns, and perhaps you are as well, but need I remind you that the second amendment to our US Constitution guarantees our right to keep and bear arms, just like the first amendment guarantees our right to free speech. To make a comparison, you may not like what someone has to say, but it is their first amendment right to say it, conversely, you may not like guns, but it is a person's right to keep and bear them.

With this legislation, what are you hoping to accomplish? Banning guns from Colleges does only one thing, takes them away from law abiding students who would otherwise be well within their rights to have the means to defend themselves in an unspeakable, and horrible situation. Because I would hope that it is common knowledge that criminals don't really concern themselves with what is and what is not legal. Effectively, the quote "When you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns" comes to mind in this situation. Furthermore, I must emphasize, around our great state people carry guns legally all the time. I ask you, as a representative of a portion of our population, what is the difference between Colorado University campus, and say the Whole Foods Market just a block south of the campus? They're both populated areas, they're both, as of right now, locations where it is legal to carry a concealed firearm, and they both are within the limits of Boulder. So what is the difference if someone carries there, or on campus? I'll tell you, there isn't any. So because one is a place of higher education you and the bold anti-gun folks of Boulder wish to restrict a person's right to exercise their Constitutionally protected right? I'd like you to look into the facts on this please Mrs. Levy, you'll find that locations with strict gun control legislation (such as Washington D.C., New York City, and Los Angeles) have a higher crime rate than those that have looser gun control laws. Why is this? Because law-abiding citizens rarely, if ever, break the law. When you have a polite, armed, and law-abiding society, criminals will fear that these folks will present a more challenging group of victims than one that is, by law, restricted from carrying the means to defend themselves. I cannot stress enough that your proposal to enact legislation that would restrict our freedoms is just simply flat out wrong, and the Regents at CU are also wrong for wanting to ban guns from their campus. If you do in fact go through with this, I will do my best to persuade my friends, clients, family, and acquaintances to take their education, business, and residence out of Boulder and allow your anti-freedom utopia to operate without those of us who uphold the Constitution, the same constitution I took an oath before my nation and the officers appointed above me to support and defend as a member of our armed forces, the same Constitution you seem to hold in such low regard.

Thank you for your time,
Ryan XXXXXXXX

[jackthewall81]

All I can say is I have multiple professors who have brought this up in class briefly and show strong support for outlawing ccw in the classrooms.

[Zundfolge]

I sent her an email:

Dear Mrs. Levy,

With this legislation, what are you hoping to accomplish?

Just keep in mind that this isn't about guns, its about gun owners.

Gun owners (and especially those that jump through the legal hoops to actually carry one of the evil things) tend to be people that don't agree with other liberal ideological sacred cows. Outlaw guns on campus and you keep at least a handful of troglodyte white "rethuglican" hate filled conservatives off campus.

This is THEIR territory and banning CCW is just their way of peeing on the trees around campus.

[Inconel710]

Just keep in mind that this isn't about guns, its about gun owners.

Gun owners (and especially those that jump through the legal hoops to actually carry one of the evil things) tend to be people that don't agree with other liberal ideological sacred cows. Outlaw guns on campus and you keep at least a handful of troglodyte white "rethuglican" hate filled conservatives off campus.

This is THEIR territory and banning CCW is just their way of peeing on the trees around campus.

That pretty much sums it up! [Beer]

[Ronin13]

Just keep in mind that this isn't about guns, its about gun owners.

Gun owners (and especially those that jump through the legal hoops to actually carry one of the evil things) tend to be people that don't agree with other liberal ideological sacred cows. Outlaw guns on campus and you keep at least a handful of troglodyte white "rethuglican" hate filled conservatives off campus.

This is THEIR territory and banning CCW is just their way of peeing on the trees around campus.

Oh yeah... I considered telling her that I'll be supporting CSU 100% from now on instead of 90% (10% because CU is in Colorado, but now I'll just say they ain't like us so they ain't really CO any more[Tooth]).
WOO! GO People's Republic!

[brutal]

You probably lost her when you offered to educate her. Lib politicians and educators really get tweaked when you offer up any wisdom or modicum of common sense or constitutional rights that don't agree with their doctrine.

[Byte Stryke]

I think that any PRIVATE school that does not take and state or federal monies should be allowed to make whatever rules they choose.


if you take 1 cent of tax money, you are to comply with State and Federal Regulations and rulings.

[theGinsue]

All I can say is I have multiple professors who have brought this up in class briefly and show strong support for outlawing ccw in the classrooms.
Of course the bulk of the staff will feel this way (see the quote below as I think he nailed it). These are smart, well educated people who KNOW that nothing bad could possibly happen so long as you say it's not okay to do. Sorta like the adult version of Simon Says.

Just keep in mind that this isn't about guns, its about gun owners.

Gun owners (and especially those that jump through the legal hoops to actually carry one of the evil things) tend to be people that don't agree with other liberal ideological sacred cows. Outlaw guns on campus and you keep at least a handful of troglodyte white "rethuglican" hate filled conservatives off campus.

This is THEIR territory and banning CCW is just their way of peeing on the trees around campus.
Quoted for truth.

[Gcompact30]

Pretty simple solution, those students who have concealed weapon permit or believe in 2nd Amendment transfer to another school if it's that important to them. When the school loose money "MONEY" then the powers at be will change mindset. Loose school enrollment heads will roll..... trust me :-)... As the rapper ICE CUBE would say "It's all about the benjamins"

[jackthewall81]

Pretty simple solution, those students who have concealed weapon permit or believe in 2nd Amendment transfer to another school if it's that important to them. When the school loose money "MONEY" then the powers at be will change mindset. Loose school enrollment heads will roll..... trust me :-)... As the rapper ICE CUBE would say "It's all about the benjamins"

They will just fill those spots with rich Commifornians

[Gcompact30]

They will just fill those spots with rich Commifornians

[spqrzilla]

Don't waste your time writing Levy. Write your own representative and telling them that you oppose the bill and intend to watch their vote.

[Troublco]

That was awesome, Ginsue! I think you and Zundfolge nailed it.

[Fmedges]

The thing that kills me is that I carry on campus not only to have it with me on campus, but more so because I have to take public transportation to and from school often late at night. Now you can argue that in the classroom I am safe even though we all know better, but what about while I am commuting to campus?

[Ronin13]

The thing that kills me is that I carry on campus not only to have it with me on campus, but more so because I have to take public transportation to and from school often late at night. Now you can argue that in the classroom I am safe even though we all know better, but what about while I am commuting to campus?

That's the #1 issue I have! My brother goes to Metro, last year he had a class at 1800-2000- well after dark in the winter months, and he said Auraria is not a very friendly looking place when you are there after sunset and you parked over by Colfax. There were reports of muggings near there last year and he said "I'd rather have my M&P and not need it than need it and not have it."

[Fmedges]

That's the #1 issue I have! My brother goes to Metro, last year he had a class at 1800-2000- well after dark in the winter months, and he said Auraria is not a very friendly looking place when you are there after sunset and you parked over by Colfax. There were reports of muggings near there last year and he said "I'd rather have my M&P and not need it than need it and not have it."

I'm on the auraia campus as well, and I can attest that it is a shitty place to be after dark. I've had multiple cops run past me chasing people at night, people getting robbed at knife point in a bathroom and other various incidents. The library here is a public library as well so they cannot deny non students from being in there. These as issues on this campus that doesn't even talk about the lack of safety at times on the public transportation system. I asked a cop that works here about how many gun do they see on campus. He told me that they confiscate 50-60 guns per semester from non CCW permit holders.

[waxthis]

The only thing they should ban from that campus is the football team....Whoa..
[Coffee]

[brutal]

I'm on the auraia campus as well, and I can attest that it is a shitty place to be after dark. I've had multiple cops run past me chasing people at night, people getting robbed at knife point in a bathroom and other various incidents. The library here is a public library as well so they cannot deny non students from being in there. These as issues on this campus that doesn't even talk about the lack of safety at times on the public transportation system. I asked a cop that works here about how many gun do they see on campus. He told me that they confiscate 50-60 guns per semester from non CCW permit holders.

I would suspect the illegal carrys outnumber legal

[jackthewall81]

The only thing they should ban from that campus is the football team....Whoa..
[Coffee]

Hey, hey, watch it bro.

[Teufelhund]

I would suspect the illegal carrys outnumber legal

This is impossible, as any CU professor will confirm.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I would suspect the illegal carrys outnumber legal

They're not illegal, they're "undocumented" self-defenders ...

[Zundfolge]

They're not illegal, they're "undocumented" self-defenders ...

Aloha Shooter is officially mah hero...I am SO stealing that line. [Beer]

[Punkface]

Further coverage

http://www.coloradodaily.com/news/ci_21605023/rep-claire-levy-d-boulder-plans-emphasize-local#axzz27OaaOUdZ

[Fmedges]

Some of the quotes in that article speak to the lack of sense that these people have.