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buckeye4rnr
09-18-2012, 13:31
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2012/09/driver-goes-madman-with-horn-on-road-cyclists/
The driver of a Ford Explorer, Colorado license plate 893 EKG, might, possibly, maybe, perhaps have some kind of grudge against road cyclists. I’m going out on a limb here saying this, but, well, it wouldn’t be “Adventure” Journal if we didn’t take risks.
No, seriously, WTF? Watch this video shot recently near Longmont, Colorado, and see if your sense of righteous anger doesn’t start brewing up a good head of steam. It’s true that road cyclists can antagonize drivers, but these guys are clearly in the right, riding single file and staying hard up against the edge of the pavement. But the driver, well, you’ll see — none of that matters to him.
The irony, of course, is that “this guy was so intent of bugging us that he backed up traffic behind him and cars had to pass him on a double yellow line. It seems he was the one obstructing traffic, not us. We ended up slowing up in order to force him to pass us and go on with his day,” wrote the uploader.
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Teufelhund
09-18-2012, 14:19
Honestly, I can't stand bicyclists in the middle of a lane, creating traffic, three feet from a sidewalk, and typically not far from one of the many trails that stretch on for hundreds of miles in Colorado. I understand it is legal for them to do so, but you can't tell me it doesn't piss you off to get stuck in traffic behind some ass clown in a spandex outfit and pointy helmet pedaling 8mph in front of your car.
That said, these guys aren't causing any of those problems. I've got no heartache with the way they're doing it. This asshole in the SUV could have just gone around without even crossing the yellow stripe. I hope they do find him and fine him; there's no reason to act like that.
I am a bicyclist and motorcyclist, and nothing pisses me off more than bicycles obstructing traffic, but these guys were doing everything right. Somone needs to offer Mr Exploder some anger management counselling...
I'm a cyclist and I agree with you Teufelfund. When I'm driving, I get pissed too if some idiot on a bike is blocking traffic. Truth be told we're not allowed on the pedestrian sidewalks in most places. There's actually a difference between bike paths and sidewalks, if you weren't aware. Nevertheless, it is our responsibility to be safe and not obstruct the flow of traffic. This driver is clearly deranged and needs to be corrected, asap. If I was one of those cyclists, I would have just pulled over completely and stopped. If the explorer stopped too, well i'd sure be glad the camera was rolling. The only thing I would have suggested these guys do better, was to continue to motion to him to pass them... what else can they do? Maybe drop a handful of nails? ha
Teufelhund
09-18-2012, 14:32
Wow, I didn't know bicycles aren't allowed on the sidewalks. Even riding my bike around my neighborhood, I always stay on the sidewalk. Is that to keep peds from getting run over, or to keep cyclists from hitting a car that's backing out (almost did that a few times), or what?
Read the you tube comments
I "dislike" bicyclists (not really, but sometimes they are a pain... especially when I'm running late... HAHAHA) and think if they use the road they ought to go the speed limit, obey traffic lights, pay registration, etc. However, that driver was a complete jerk, he ought to be fined for harassment and other driving endangerments...
I'm just jealous that I don't look that good in spandex and can't find a bike to support my weight, HAHAHA.
I'm no fan of cyclists not "sharing the road" (again that argument of to drive a car we pay taxes for the roads but bikes don't) but this guy in the video is just an asshat. Those guys were courteous and one of them even waved him by... he wasn't honking to get past them, he was just trying to be a douche- mission accomplished. Hope Boulder county or PD finds him and gives him a lovely court date.
Aloha_Shooter
09-18-2012, 14:39
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here but I don't see the driver acting crazy -- maybe I'm missing something because my computer here at work doesn't have speakers but just how do you call him Mr. Exploder and say he needs anger management counseling?
He's staying a safe distance behind the cyclists, not encroaching. The problem here is that he doesn't have a legal option to pass them on that road without getting so close that they could claim he was encroaching.
The fact of the matter here is that while the cyclists were over to the right as much as they could be, they were on a road that doesn't offer a wide vehicle any safe means of passing them without cutting it close by them or breaking the solid yellow line. On a road like that, pull the hell over (i.e., off the dang road) and let him pass.
Wow, I didn't know bicycles aren't allowed on the sidewalks. Even riding my bike around my neighborhood, I always stay on the sidewalk. Is that to keep peds from getting run over, or to keep cyclists from hitting a car that's backing out (almost did that a few times), or what?
According to all the cycling laws I've read personally, a bicycle is considered an equal to any other vehicle, and the "driver" is granted all the rights, and restricted by all the laws, that car-drivers must adhere to. I actually know a gentleman who was pulled over on his bike in a school zone because he was "speeding", another who was ticketed for failing to stop at a stop sign. If you're riding around in your residential neighborhood, I'm sure you'll be fine, but you're supposed to give pedestrians the right-of-way, just as if they were in a crosswalk.... ie. you have to stop. I know it's stupid, but "them's the laws", to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, the risk of you actually running in to the side of a car that's backing out, is of course escalated then too, so maybe the laws are based mostly on "safety", I'm not sure.
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here but I don't see the driver acting crazy -- maybe I'm missing something because my computer here at work doesn't have speakers but just how do you call him Mr. Exploder and say he needs anger management counseling?
He's staying a safe distance behind the cyclists, not encroaching. The problem here is that he doesn't have a legal option to pass them on that road without getting so close that they could claim he was encroaching.
The fact of the matter here is that while the cyclists were over to the right as much as they could be, they were on a road that doesn't offer a wide vehicle any safe means of passing them without cutting it close by them or breaking the solid yellow line. On a road like that, pull the hell over (i.e., off the dang road) and let him pass.
He was honking his horn the entire 2 minute video.
DD977GM2
09-18-2012, 14:45
That driver needs a ticket. [Bang]
palepainter
09-18-2012, 14:45
You know, I have had a car beeping at me like that once. After about two minutes of honking, I pulled over and they drove up to tell me I had toilet paper hanging out of my shorts.... True story.
Teufelhund
09-18-2012, 14:46
What you missed without audio is the fact he's blowing his horn at them the whole time.
I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt to begin with, like maybe the rear cyclist forgot he had his dog tied to his bike or his back tire was on fire and this guy is just being a good samaritan by trying to let him know something is wrong. [Tooth]
You know, I have had a car beeping at me like that once. After about two minutes of honking, I pulled over and they drove up to tell me I had toilet paper hanging out of my shorts.... True story.
hahaha that's funny. They could have just as easily pulled up right next to you, dropped the window and had a nice little chat, but this guy was clearly just being a prick.
Aloha_Shooter
09-18-2012, 14:54
Yeah, great, he's honking his horn. That's not the same as exploding or needing anger management counseling. Frankly, the cyclists in question should have pulled off the road and let him pass which is probably why he was honking. There would have been no issue at all if they done that instead of slowing down and taking the time to video him.
Most of you and the cyclists think he was a prick for leaning on his horn. He clearly thought THEY were pricks for not pulling off and giving him a safe legal passing option. They were in a single no-passing lane intended for motorized vehicle traffic -- the fact they didn't have a bike lane is irrelevant since they chose that path.
Yeah, great, he's honking his horn. That's not the same as exploding or needing anger management counseling. Frankly, the cyclists in question should have pulled off the road and let him pass which is probably why he was honking. There would have been no issue at all if they done that instead of slowing down and taking the time to video him.
Most of you and the cyclists think he was a prick for leaning on his horn. He clearly thought THEY were pricks for not pulling off and giving him a safe legal passing option. They were in a single no-passing lane intended for motorized vehicle traffic -- the fact they didn't have a bike lane is irrelevant since they chose that path.
To advert confusion, Ford Explorer = Exploder.
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
09-18-2012, 14:59
what a dick
Its clear the driver was trying to rush poor little Jimmy to the hospital, after Jimmy had been bit by a deadly snake - and these mean bicyclists were just in the way trying to slow him down.... Jimmy died before they could make it to the ER.
...or was that an episode of 'Tales from the Crypt'.. I can't remember.
i cant stand the bikers in the springs i had one who must have been in the middle of a damn race with himself try to cross platte (40mph road) directly in front of me i had to stand on the bakes came maaaaybe 2 feet from hitting him and he gave me the finger
there always riding in the middle of the road doing 10 mph and look irritated when you pass.....try that shit in ny
Honestly, I can't stand bicyclists in the middle of a lane, creating traffic, three feet from a sidewalk, and typically not far from one of the many trails that stretch on for hundreds of miles in Colorado. I understand it is legal for them to do so, but you can't tell me it doesn't piss you off to get stuck in traffic behind some ass clown in a spandex outfit and pointy helmet pedaling 8mph in front of your car.
That said, these guys aren't causing any of those problems. I've got no heartache with the way they're doing it. This asshole in the SUV could have just gone around without even crossing the yellow stripe. I hope they do find him and fine him; there's no reason to act like that.
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henpecked
09-18-2012, 15:21
What happened BEFORE the video was started?
BushMasterBoy
09-18-2012, 15:43
Guy driving should have his license suspended. I bet if he was charged, most juries would nail him. Just for your info *277 is the hotline to the Colorado State Patrol. Link below...
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594510991
Yeah, great, he's honking his horn. That's not the same as exploding or needing anger management counseling. Frankly, the cyclists in question should have pulled off the road and let him pass which is probably why he was honking. There would have been no issue at all if they done that instead of slowing down and taking the time to video him.
Most of you and the cyclists think he was a prick for leaning on his horn. He clearly thought THEY were pricks for not pulling off and giving him a safe legal passing option. They were in a single no-passing lane intended for motorized vehicle traffic -- the fact they didn't have a bike lane is irrelevant since they chose that path.
I don't ride a bike and hate the huge packs you get on the mountain roads sometimes. But screw that dumbass in the suv, they themselves obstructing traffic and being an obnoxious ass. There wasn't oncoming traffic to speak of and could have passed without even crossing the line. Somethings wrong with your head if you think that twat was justified.
SouthPaw
09-18-2012, 16:08
Honestly, I can't stand bicyclists in the middle of a lane, creating traffic, three feet from a sidewalk, and typically not far from one of the many trails that stretch on for hundreds of miles in Colorado. I understand it is legal for them to do so, but you can't tell me it doesn't piss you off to get stuck in traffic behind some ass clown in a spandex outfit and pointy helmet pedaling 8mph in front of your car.
That said, these guys aren't causing any of those problems. I've got no heartache with the way they're doing it. This asshole in the SUV could have just gone around without even crossing the yellow stripe. I hope they do find him and fine him; there's no reason to act like that.
I really do not think I could have said it better myself. I am just a motorcyclist and I am sure there are people who hate me but nothing worse than sitting behind a spandex rainbow going up hill at 3mph. What the driver's intentions were are beyond me. Just being an ass clown on his way from a bad day at work maybe.
Lol that video was actually pretty funny. I effing hate bicyclists on 2 lane roads. I generally try to leave them in a big black cloud of diesel smoke every time I pass them with my truck.
I bicycle alot and in sections I will take up a whole lane. Sometimes it is safer to do so. no shoulder to ride on and narrow lanes. If I dont take the lane I get people passing me with inches, when there are 2 lanes each way and they could easily pass in the other lane.
(as a rant, this section of road has 2 schools on it and bike lanes that end between 1/4 and 1/2 mile in each direction. It was relined to be 4 lanes instead of 2 bike lanes, a center turn lane and 1 lane each way.)
Riding on the sidewalk any any decent speed is asking for trouble. I don't mean from people pulling out, they usually look. I mean people turning right in front of you. This is often a case of lockup the wheel or slam into the side of the turning vehicle.
Aloha_Shooter
09-18-2012, 16:45
Lol that video was actually pretty funny. I effing hate bicyclists on 2 lane roads. I generally try to leave them in a big black cloud of diesel smoke every time I pass them with my truck.
I don't hate bicyclists, it's great that they're enjoying the outdoors. What I hate is the sense of entitlement from the video and a lot of these posts. They were on a two-lane road for motorized vehicles -- the only way he could have passed them without crossing the solid yellow line would have been to get so close to them that they probably would have kvetched about how close he passed.
Everyone's whining about him using his horn for two minutes when the cyclists could have pulled off the road for five seconds instead of going their merry and leisurely way while making a video of him. Note the title of this thread: "CRAZY driver harasses cyclists in Boulder" [emphasis added]; I'm still not seeing what he did as crazy and while he WAS harassing them with his horn, they could have ended that at any time by pulling off the road for a few seconds. If the cyclists are that prevalent and well known then Boulder should put in a dang bike lane.
colorider
09-18-2012, 16:49
Pull to the side , let the guy pass and move on with the ride. Simple fix but not nearly as dramatic as a YouTube video.
How to avoid road rage...
http://www.anygunwilldo.com/about/How_to_avoid_road_rage1.wmv
I hear it works when you ride bikes as well :)
BushMasterBoy
09-18-2012, 16:56
Yeah honk your horn and blow smoke...Knock Knock!
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_21571712/longmont-area-driver-honks-at-cyclists-nonstop-colorado
DangerLee_Industries
09-18-2012, 16:59
Bwahahahahahaaaa what an a$$clown... That guy needs a talking with.... I ride a pedal bike and several motorcycle as well.
I agree it's ridiculous when someone thinks they are "King of the road". Wether it's road bikes riding 2-3 wide, a string of motorcycles that assert themselves by hugging the center line towards oncoming traffic to show how tough they are, an 18 wheeler trying to control traffic since he's so massive or an 80 year old lady going 20 mph under the speed limit in a cadi.
Who cares pass when you can and move on life is too short to get pissed off unnecessarily.
Yeah honk your horn and blow smoke...Knock Knock!
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_21571712/longmont-area-driver-honks-at-cyclists-nonstop-colorado
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Nice!
<MADDOG>
09-18-2012, 18:31
Quite a few are being judgmental without having all the facts. What happened before the video was taken? Were the bikers running double abreast right until the driver got to them?
And as far as you "good bikers", you may wish to train the "bad bikers", as I have been stuck behind more than enough Lance Armstrong wannabe's riding double breasted, sometimes in packs, in Southern CO...Obeying the laws as stated in previous posts goes both ways.
Looks like Airforce or AF license plate.
Rucker61
09-18-2012, 18:58
I'm no fan of cyclists not "sharing the road" (again that argument of to drive a car we pay taxes for the roads but bikes don't)
Like many cyclists you encounter, especially those on the fancy bikes in the fancy clothes, I own both cars and bikes, and pay taxes on the former. For some history on where roads came from in the US, google the League of American Wheelmen.
Byte Stryke
09-18-2012, 19:04
I Completely support Bicyclists!
I think they should have to pay road usage taxes and Insurance, registration and be licensed to operate on motorways as well!
I am paying almost 2K a year in Taxes to drive 1.2 miles a day!
not counting the wonderful registration and highway usage taxes of over $1K/year
And as far as you "good bikers", you may wish to train the "bad bikers", as I have been stuck behind more than enough Lance Armstrong wannabe's riding double breasted, sometimes in packs, in Southern CO...Obeying the laws as stated in previous posts goes both ways.
Heh, I've been stopped at stop signs waiting for a break in traffic (on a bike.) Had other cyclists just blow past me and the sign and stop traffic. Different types of folks, not much you can do.
Judging by the reactions I see at 4way stops the norm is to just blow through. There is always a pause by the cars as I approach and slow. (I do try to do a rolling/California stop though)
My 1st thought was maybe the cyclist drop something and the explorer wanted them to know about it. I would just stop and talk to the SOB and see wtf.
Screw the bikers. If they can't go the speed limit on the road then they shouldn't be on it. If they are going to be on the road they need yo be plated and titled like every other vehicle and follow the traffic laws. I can't stand the elitist attitude of bicyclists. They can ride their bikes in parks or designated areas where they aren't up against 50k lb semis. What happens if a bicyclist causes an accident? Where is the insurance coverage? If they want to ride the roads they need to play by the same laws.
Maybe the road they were riding on was designated areas "no cyclists". Cause we know how well they pay attention to traffic laws.
Screw the bikers. If they can't go the speed limit on the road then they shouldn't be on it. If they are going to be on the road they need yo be plated and titled like every other vehicle and follow the traffic laws. I can't stand the elitist attitude of bicyclists. They can ride their bikes in parks or designated areas where they aren't up against 50k lb semis. What happens if a bicyclist causes an accident? Where is the insurance coverage? If they want to ride the roads they need to play by the same laws.
Maybe the road they were riding on was designated areas "no cyclists". Cause we know how well they pay attention to traffic laws.
^ +1
I don't know how many bicyclists have looked back as I rolled up on them like they were getting ready to come over and then just rode across the road without any other warning. Was behind 1 guy for 3 turns pretty quickly after another and he was flying and every turn he came out in the center of the road before he moved back to the side. Saw 1 guy going downhill no hands texting, wtf? Share the road my a#$, don't ride on the road if you don't have a bike lane. I can't say much for the video other than the guy in the SUV seemed like an a#$ buy YES, what happened before the video? Boulder of all places where everyone has a bike....why do I have to work there!?!
Hey guys I am also a two wheeled rider whether it be the bike or the motorcycle. Yes there are aholes on bikes as I run into them all the time as I also race. Thing is these people probably drive like crap also - most roadies drive Audi's for some reason. As long as they are following the laws bicyclists have just as much rights as anyone else on the road. That is why they are called "road bikes" and not "sidewalk bikes."
Rucker61
09-18-2012, 21:22
most roadies drive Audi's for some reason.
Now that's funny.
I hate bicyclists that can't follow the laws as much as anyone here, as they create the attitudes towards all cyclists that we see here. I don't ride on the road much anymore, as it's too damn dangerous, but I commuted through downtown Seattle when I lived there. It was fun as hell passing buses on the downhills.
Rucker61
09-18-2012, 21:25
Heh, I've been stopped at stop signs waiting for a break in traffic (on a bike.) Had other cyclists just blow past me and the sign and stop traffic. Different types of folks, not much you can do.
There's a scene from "Breaking Away" that comes to mind. As far as training them, very few with a team outfit on are actually trainable. What we need is proper enforcement and have them start paying out some fines. Selfish gits.
They were on a two-lane road for motorized vehicles --
Why do you keep saying this? Bicycles are considered vehicles.
Hey guys I am also a two wheeled rider whether it be the bike or the motorcycle. Yes there are aholes on bikes as I run into them all the time as I also race. Thing is these people probably drive like crap also - most roadies drive Audi's for some reason. As long as they are following the laws bicyclists have just as much rights as anyone else on the road. That is why they are called "road bikes" and not "sidewalk bikes."
so then I ask why they aren't paying road tax and have to have insurance coverage as well?
If they are road bikes, they need to follow the road laws. the great news if they won't have to suffer the "gas tax"
If bikers want to be on the roads, they need to be able to maintain the speed limit. especially on these 2 lane roads, the twisty turny ones that people drive down say at 35-40 mph, or go up at the same speed then they come up on a group of bikers doing 15 or less trying to pedal their way up the hill.
On another note, why aren't these guys in trouble for making a video while biking? if you can't text and drive, you definitely can't take a video on your phone and drive. they want to use the road...they need to have the same rules applied.
BushMasterBoy
09-18-2012, 22:02
Below is a link to Colorado law regarding the use of bicyles on the roads.
http://colobikelaw.com/law.php
Aloha_Shooter
09-19-2012, 05:44
Thanks BushMasterBoy. So the relevant sections here are:
§ 42-4-1412. Operation of bicycles and other human-powered vehicles
Every person riding a bicycle or electrical assisted bicycle shall have all of the rights and duties applicable to the driver of any other vehicle under this article, except as to special regulations in this article and except as to those provisions which by their nature can have no application. Said riders shall comply with the rules set forth in this section and section 42-4-221, and, when using streets and highways within incorporated cities and towns, shall be subject to local ordinances regulating the operation of bicycles and electrical assisted bicycles as provided in section 42-4-111.
So the bicycles do have a right to use the road (I don't believe anyone said otherwise) but have to abide by rules.
Any person operating a bicycle or an electrical assisted bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic shall ride in the right-hand lane, subject to the following conditions:
If the right-hand lane then available for traffic is wide enough to be safely shared with overtaking vehicles, a bicyclist shall ride far enough to the right as judged safe by the bicyclist to facilitate the movement of such overtaking vehicles unless other conditions make it unsafe to do so
They WERE in the right-hand (only) lane but was there room to safely overtake them?
§ 42-4-1003. Overtaking a vehicle on the left
The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to the limitations, exceptions, and special rules stated in this section and sections 42-4-1004 to 42-4-1008:
The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left of the vehicle at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle
The driver of a motor vehicle overtaking a bicyclist proceeding in the same direction shall allow the bicyclist at least a three-foot separation between the right side of the driver's vehicle, including all mirrors or other projections, and the left side of the bicyclist at all times.
Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of the driver's vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class A traffic infraction.
This passage would seem to say that the driver in question did not have room to safely overtake the the bicyclists without committing a class A infraction (which is what I was saying). The driver was doing what he was supposed to do by providing an audible signal and not increasing his speed. The remaining question then is whether the bicyclists gave way properly. They felt they did, the driver obviously didn't. Neither do I. The driver was impatient but the cyclists were and are a__wipes about the whole thing and created an incident that didn't need to exist (which thankfully didn't go beyond honking horns).
http://www.timescall.com/news/longmont-local-news/ci_21571712/longmont-area-driver-honks-at-cyclists-nonstop-colorado
CUatTheEnd
09-19-2012, 09:44
This is why I mountain bike.
This story was on 9News last night, and they did a great job of making the guy out to be the ultimate badguy. However, they did talk to a bike racing veteran and she said that perhaps that isn't the best road for people to cycle on and that they should have chosen a different road.
buckeye4rnr
09-19-2012, 09:55
Wow, didn't expect this thread to get so much traffic. I recently sold my road bike but I absolutely hate it when cyclists think they own the road and if these guys had been acting like a-holes I would've been honking too.
That said, they're clearly as far over as possible so no matter what happened before the video started the dude in the Explorer should've let it go and passed them when he had the chance. Yeah he may cross a single yellow or whatever it is but if it's safe to do so there is no need to be an ass about it.
Thanks BushMasterBoy.
So the bicycles do have a right to use the road (I don't believe anyone said otherwise) but have to abide by rules.
YOU said otherwise, when you suggested that the road was specifically made for motorized vehicles.
If you get stuck behind a slow moving tractor, that can only pull over so far off the road, but not far enough to leave room to pass without leaving the lane, what do you do? Pass when it is safe, or honk until the shoulder gets wider?
Here is what I think might have happened:
The guy in the explorer is very familiar with the law. He realizes that the road has a solid double yellow (dis-allowing a vehicle to cross for the sake of passing) and also understood that a three foot buffer zone is required to pass a cyclist. Based upon the law and lane width there was no safe option for a pass. The bikers were unable to travel at or near the posted speed limit. He was trying to have the bikers pull over and offer up the option to pass and continue at the posted speed limit.
While the speed limit is a maximum and not a minimum speed it's very annoying (bike, motorcycle, or car) when you are behind someone traveling significantly slower. We see road rage all the time between two cars for the same reason and it sucks but this situation is no different. Aside from being obnoxious I dont see anything this guy did wrong. Just followed the law in a safe manner.
Also, if bikes ride on the road and don't follow the law they should be issued tickets just the same as if they were in their cars. Those laws are provided for safety of everyone using the roadway.
Screw the bikers. If they can't go the speed limit on the road then they shouldn't be on it. If they are going to be on the road they need yo be plated and titled like every other vehicle and follow the traffic laws. I can't stand the elitist attitude of bicyclists. They can ride their bikes in parks or designated areas where they aren't up against 50k lb semis. What happens if a bicyclist causes an accident? Where is the insurance coverage? If they want to ride the roads they need to play by the same laws.
Maybe the road they were riding on was designated areas "no cyclists". Cause we know how well they pay attention to traffic laws.
Agreed...In addition... If the road has no bike lane, they should not be allowed on it. What, you like that stretch of road? Then pay to have a bike lane put on it.. I can’t tell you how many times I almost went into oncoming traffic heading down the poudre canyon trying to avoid hitting one of those guys..[Bang]
BushMasterBoy
09-19-2012, 10:34
According to the bicyclist, when the driver finally overtook the bicyclists, the bicyclist actually had to put his hand on the motor vehicle to prevent a collision. Thats too close and a violation. I don't know if they have video of that part of the encounter, but there might be fingerprints. At least nobody was injured. How would you feel if your kid was riding the bike, in this motor vehicles next encounter with a bicyclist?
Also, if bikes ride on the road and don't follow the law they should be issued tickets just the same as if they were in their cars. Those laws are provided for safety of everyone using the roadway.
I agree, but most cyclists I know don't travel with their DL, so how would you issue the ticket? This could present a whole mess of problems- would it count against their driving record? Would it just simply be a fine? If a fine, then someone who could easily afford to pay it would just see it as a mild inconvenience and keep doing it? What other penalty options are available? What about youthful operators who are under 16 who violate the law on a bike?
Agreed...In addition... If the road has no bike lane, they should not be allowed on it. What, you like that stretch of road? Then pay to have a bike lane put on it.. I can’t tell you how many times I almost went into oncoming traffic heading down the poudre canyon trying to avoid hitting one of those guys..[Bang]
This same problem occurs with me when going up and down Squaw Pass Rd... hundreds of cyclists every weekend go on that road, and with all the curves and what not it can get very dangerous, especially on the uphill where to your right is, at some places, 100's of feet of sheer vertical drop, I wouldn't want to be run off the road because someone is trying to safely pass a cyclist.
Aloha_Shooter
09-19-2012, 10:47
YOU said otherwise, when you suggested that the road was specifically made for motorized vehicles.
If you get stuck behind a slow moving tractor, that can only pull over so far off the road, but not far enough to leave room to pass without leaving the lane, what do you do? Pass when it is safe, or honk until the shoulder gets wider?
Mmmm ... no, I specifically didn't say they don't have a right to use the road but I raised the point that the road was made for motorized vehicles because they incur an obligation to not impede those vehicles. They had ample opportunities to pull off the road into driveways or wide patches and let him pass, they didn't do so.
When I'm stuck behind a tractor, I realize I'm stuck. There's no point in honking because the tractor is so wide he can't go anywhere. These guys acted like they had equal reason and right to use the road when in fact they don't (they have the right to use so long as it doesn't impede the primary purpose and users) and they thought their "Sunday ride" was more important than pulling off.
Guy driving should have his license suspended. I bet if he was charged, most juries would nail him.
Why stop there? Let's try to get the guy imprisoned for life or executed.
Seriously? License suspension for honking your horn? Get a grip people.
What happened before the video started rolling? We don't know that. If the bicyclists were that offended they could have simply pulled off, stopped and let the guy pass. I know if I was in a car doing 15mph in a 55mph zone and someone was blasting their horn for 2min I wouldn't think 'Wow, what an idiot' instead I would think 'Wow, I'm really holding traffic up' and feel guilty. That's not saying these guys are holding up traffic since the guy could obviously pass (even though technically illegal to pass on a double yellow) but at the same time when there isn't a designated bike path they are to be treated like any other motor vehicle. This means that you legally can NOT pass in a double yellow. In a car if you were only able to go 15mph in a 55mph zone and cars wanted to pass wouldn't you pull off the road and let them by at some point?
I especially like the like 'He made other motorists pass on a double yellow' uhm.... no. Nobody made them break the law but if anyone made them do anything it was the bicyclists who were holding up traffic, not the buy in the Explorer. After all, by law, it was them who was impeding traffic. The guy in the Explorer was obeying traffic laws. In situations like this where it appears as though everyone involved is being a douche I tend to side with the law which is pretty clear in this case.
'Sharing' the road is a two-way street and if bicyclists want motorists to share the road then they need to do the same thing. Bicyclists want motorists to be considerate yet many of them don't want to be considerate of motorists.
HoneyBadger
09-19-2012, 10:59
I just want to point out the obvious here:
It's a Speed LIMIT, not a Speed Minimum.
It's completely legal to drive as slow as you want if there is no posted minimum speed. Sure people might call you an asshole for driving under the speed limit in your Audi A8 (or on your fancy Ceepo or Kestrel bike), but it's not illegal.
Just another instance where what some may call stupid isn't illegal, but it can still get you harassed, flamed, killed, etc.
'Sharing' the road is a two-way street and if bicyclists want motorists to share the road then they need to do the same thing. Bicyclists want motorists to be considerate yet many of them don't want to be considerate of motorists.
THIS! Biggest problem, especially here in Evergreen. They act like they're a special caste of people. [Bang]
Silentgoldfish
09-19-2012, 15:01
Silent again :(
Job done.
MOD EDIT: Removed Public Info
Equally as amazing is what will now happen to what are probably good people due to this information being posted on public forums for any moron to do as they see fit.
sneakerd
09-19-2012, 15:12
Interesting choice for post #1. So wonder who this guy is?
....As long as they are following the laws bicyclists have just as much rights as anyone else on the road...
Not wanting to pick a fight but I'm screaming "NOOO" to this. Driving is NOT a "right". It is a "privilege". Motor vehicles pay registration and taxes to make and maintain roads along with having the ability to drive on them. Driving is NOT a right. I am of the school of thought that cyclists should also have to tag, license, register, and pay taxes if they want to use the road as well...
Sorry, that's my mini rant. I have come so close so many times to hitting and killing a cyclist because they chose not to exercise caution and just ride wherever they want cutting in and out of traffic assuming that a 2K lb car can stop on a dime....
Driving is NOT a right.
The guy who is driving the SUV is ...
Really dude? I'm sure we know how to look up the information, and if there is a question, there are SEVERAL alphabet agencies on here that could figure it out. Feel like being held liable if something happens to the guy? We can all agree he might've stepped over the line in his actions, but please don't post his personal info in a public place. What you put out there, you can't take back. I've learned that lesson the hard way.
Btw, welcome to the forum.
Interesting choice for post #1. So wonder who this guy is?
Same thing crossed my mind. Guess he wanted to prove his prowess as an internet guru ;).
Jesus. I'd have just passed the bikes when the oncoming lane was clear and been on my way. Double-yellow line or not, bicycles are easy to pass.
Jesus. I'd have just passed the bikes when the oncoming lane was clear and been on my way. Double-yellow line or not, bicycles are easy to pass.
While I tend to agree with this there are MANY people who are not. This comes from decades of being told there is NO gray area when it comes to the law. Some people follow laws like they will engulf in flames if they violate anything ever.
According to the bicyclist, when the driver finally overtook the bicyclists, the bicyclist actually had to put his hand on the motor vehicle to prevent a collision. Thats too close and a violation. I don't know if they have video of that part of the encounter, but there might be fingerprints. At least nobody was injured. How would you feel if your kid was riding the bike, in this motor vehicles next encounter with a bicyclist?
My kid won't be a dipshit and spend an entire day riding his bike on 2 lane roads where vehicles are doing highway speeds. When he is an adult he can choose for himself and put his life at risk. These guys should have never been on that road to begin with. These guys didn't pull off to the side of the road when a car is honking at them. Why not take the quickest turnoff or dirt patch and stop your bike and get off. instead they continued to ride. The motorist, per the law did what he was supposed to do. He didn't pass them in the video. He honked like he was supposed to. The bikers didn't move over. I hope to see the bikers get a ticket, not the driver.
In the bikers mind they feel like they own the road. That is great in theory but they WILL lose if they get run over. The guy in the vehicle may or may not get in trouble but his body and his life are protected by a lot of steel. The ultralight bikes out there aren't going to save a bikers ass. The bikers need to think about that and GTF off the road and out of the way when vehicles are approaching.
It reminds me of the Ron White skit about the guy saying he can take on hurricane force winds. Same with these guys...I can pedal for days, I can ride 65mph down curving roads and blow through stop signs without getting ticketed.....yeah well you got a peterbuilt up your ass and a handlebar sticking out of your wind pipe.
I agree, but most cyclists I know don't travel with their DL, so how would you issue the ticket? This could present a whole mess of problems- would it count against their driving record? Would it just simply be a fine? If a fine, then someone who could easily afford to pay it would just see it as a mild inconvenience and keep doing it? What other penalty options are available? What about youthful operators who are under 16 who violate the law on a bike?
This same problem occurs with me when going up and down Squaw Pass Rd... hundreds of cyclists every weekend go on that road, and with all the curves and what not it can get very dangerous, especially on the uphill where to your right is, at some places, 100's of feet of sheer vertical drop, I wouldn't want to be run off the road because someone is trying to safely pass a cyclist.
Like I added before. If they are going to be on the "road" and be "road bikes", then they need to be plated and carry a drivers license or an ID that shows they competently passed the required knowledge test and they understand the laws of the "road". Then when they break those laws, points and fines are assessed against them. Don't like it? Don't ride on the road. Don't want to follow the laws, get a ticket and points against you.
As for the kids, a phone call to the parents from the police, or a warning by the cops should be able to do something. parenting would be the biggest issue here in my mind. Most 15+ are going to be driving anyways with a learners permit or their license. Under that I don't think you are going to see very many kids out all day on road bikes for a sunday ride. most will be in town going to the movies or a friends place.
I just want to point out the obvious here:
It's a Speed LIMIT, not a Speed Minimum.
It's completely legal to drive as slow as you want if there is no posted minimum speed. Sure people might call you an asshole for driving under the speed limit in your Audi A8 (or on your fancy Ceepo or Kestrel bike), but it's not illegal.
Just another instance where what some may call stupid isn't illegal, but it can still get you harassed, flamed, killed, etc.
some roads do have minimum speeds posted. There are also times when drivers need to pull off the road and give way to other motorists. Just like you see slow moving semis, tractors, slow moving cars etc do. why should bikers be any different...cause they can't get off their "pace"?
Teufelhund
09-19-2012, 16:01
Some of you have raised some interesting points. If I had been one of the cyclists in this situation, I would probably have just steered off the road and stopped so the SUV could continue on his way. It's really not worth it to fight a big ass truck when you're on a bicycle. Right of way doesn't mean dick if you're dead.
We can argue about who was right according to the letter of the law, but I think we need to concede that both parties were just being stupid in this situation. Acting according to the law is not always the most sensible thing. Either party could have applied some common sense at some point and avoided the entire confrontation.
Some of you have raised some interesting points. If I had been one of the cyclists in this situation, I would probably have just steered off the road and stopped so the SUV could continue on his way. It's really not worth it to fight a big ass truck when you're on a bicycle. Right of way doesn't mean dick if you're dead.
We can argue about who was right according to the letter of the law, but I think we need to concede that both parties were just being stupid in this situation. Acting according to the law is not always the most sensible thing. Either party could have applied some common sense at some point and avoided the entire confrontation.
Yep. Exactly why I choose to no longer ride motorcycles on public road ways. Sure, I might be right in the 'accident' but what good does right be if you're dead? Had these bicyclists been messing with a deranged lunatic off his meds they might have gotten run over. Then what good does 'being right' mean?
Common sense is becoming increasingly uncommon.
Some of you have raised some interesting points. If I had been one of the cyclists in this situation, I would probably have just steered off the road and stopped so the SUV could continue on his way. It's really not worth it to fight a big ass truck when you're on a bicycle. Right of way doesn't mean dick if you're dead.
We can argue about who was right according to the letter of the law, but I think we need to concede that both parties were just being stupid in this situation. Acting according to the law is not always the most sensible thing. Either party could have applied some common sense at some point and avoided the entire confrontation.
very true. It would have been much better if the bikers got off the road and let the vehicle pass. or it would have been better for the vehicle to pull off. take a few minutes and then continue on his way on an alternate route if he had one.
theGinsue
09-19-2012, 16:10
My kid won't be a dipshit and spend an entire day riding his bike on 2 lane roads where vehicles are doing highway speeds. When he is an adult he can choose for himself and put his life at risk. These guys should have never been on that road to begin with. These guys didn't pull off to the side of the road when a car is honking at them. Why not take the quickest turnoff or dirt patch and stop your bike and get off. instead they continued to ride. The motorist, per the law did what he was supposed to do. He didn't pass them in the video. He honked like he was supposed to. The bikers didn't move over. I hope to see the bikers get a ticket, not the driver.
In the bikers mind they feel like they own the road. That is great in theory but they WILL lose if they get run over. The guy in the vehicle may or may not get in trouble but his body and his life are protected by a lot of steel. The ultralight bikes out there aren't going to save a bikers ass. The bikers need to think about that and GTF off the road and out of the way when vehicles are approaching.
It reminds me of the Ron White skit about the guy saying he can take on hurricane force winds. Same with these guys...I can pedal for days, I can ride 65mph down curving roads and blow through stop signs without getting ticketed.....yeah well you got a peterbuilt up your ass and a handlebar sticking out of your wind pipe.
Like I added before. If they are going to be on the "road" and be "road bikes", then they need to be plated and carry a drivers license or an ID that shows they competently passed the required knowledge test and they understand the laws of the "road". Then when they break those laws, points and fines are assessed against them. Don't like it? Don't ride on the road. Don't want to follow the laws, get a ticket and points against you.
As for the kids, a phone call to the parents from the police, or a warning by the cops should be able to do something. parenting would be the biggest issue here in my mind. Most 15+ are going to be driving anyways with a learners permit or their license. Under that I don't think you are going to see very many kids out all day on road bikes for a sunday ride. most will be in town going to the movies or a friends place.
some roads do have minimum speeds posted. There are also times when drivers need to pull off the road and give way to other motorists. Just like you see slow moving semis, tractors, slow moving cars etc do. why should bikers be any different...cause they can't get off their "pace"?
You & Me: Kindred spirits!
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I live in North Boulder on a street heavily used by cyclists. If I were to put a video camera out front, I'd have a very simple time recording AT LEAST 200 cyclists per hour, all day, any day of the week, blowing through the 4-way stop sign as if it didn't exist.
I've been given the finger on multiple occasions when I proceeded at a 4-way stop when it was my turn....because a cyclist didn't see it their duty to stop at all.
A cyclist got honked at a bit? I'm weeping in sympathy...oh, the tragedy of it all [BooHoo]
I live in North Boulder on a street heavily used by cyclists. If I were to put a video camera out front, I'd have a very simple time recording AT LEAST 200 cyclists per hour, all day, any day of the week, blowing through the 4-way stop sign as if it didn't exist.
I've been given the finger on multiple occasions when I proceeded at a 4-way stop when it was my turn....because a cyclist didn't see it their duty to stop at all.
A cyclist got honked at a bit? I'm weeping in sympathy...oh, the tragedy of it all [BooHoo]
you should set up a cam and send it to the boulder police. email it to them and the boulder camera every day all day. maybe some state senators and congressman and get a bill set up to put these asshats in their place. either follow the laws of the road or get off it.
You & Me: Kindred spirits!
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I love having a kindred spirit![Tooth]
SouthPaw
09-19-2012, 16:18
You & Me: Kindred spirits!
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Very well put sniper7.
HoneyBadger
09-19-2012, 16:27
some roads do have minimum speeds posted. There are also times when drivers need to pull off the road and give way to other motorists. Just like you see slow moving semis, tractors, slow moving cars etc do. why should bikers be any different...cause they can't get off their "pace"?
I acknowledged that some roads have a minimum speed posted, but since it was not mentioned once in this case, I think it's a safe conjecture that there was no posted minimum on this road.... That being said, you are completely right about everything else you said. I'm certainly not defending the cyclists, but since they are "vehicles" that have to obey the laws of the road, they should have pulled over or yielded to the faster traffic. Simple as that.
I saw a bicyclist get a ticket for 'failure to obey' when he blew threw a stop sign.. it was on CU campus.. CU PD was my hero that day.
I live in North Boulder on a street heavily used by cyclists. If I were to put a video camera out front, I'd have a very simple time recording AT LEAST 200 cyclists per hour, all day, any day of the week, blowing through the 4-way stop sign as if it didn't exist.
I've been given the finger on multiple occasions when I proceeded at a 4-way stop when it was my turn....because a cyclist didn't see it their duty to stop at all.
A cyclist got honked at a bit? I'm weeping in sympathy...oh, the tragedy of it all [BooHoo]
you should set up a cam and send it to the boulder police. email it to them and the boulder camera every day all day. maybe some state senators and congressman and get a bill set up to put these asshats in their place. either follow the laws of the road or get off it.
Now that's the best damn idea I've ever heard! I see it in Denver all the time and one of these days they're going to get creamed (I'm very fearful that I'll be the one to do it and get sued). What the hell? Maybe there needs to be some letter writing to our state legislature for more of an eye turned to this issue and perhaps educating the public a little better that if they disregard the law they could die. We don't need more laws (well maybe a licensing requirement to have a bike on roads), but we do need more attention on things like this.
theGinsue
09-19-2012, 16:45
While this will be unpopular with a certain percentage of you, I'm just going to put this out there - I do NOT think cyclists belong on the road. PERIOD. It is my opinion that they are a nuisance and are dangerous to themselves and those who are operating licensed motor vehicles which was the intended vehicle for road use.
Colorado has hundreds of miles of combination biking and hiking trails that are accessable to most residents.
This same problem occurs with me when going up and down Squaw Pass Rd... hundreds of cyclists every weekend go on that road, and with all the curves and what not it can get very dangerous, especially on the uphill where to your right is, at some places, 100's of feet of sheer vertical drop, I wouldn't want to be run off the road because someone is trying to safely pass a cyclist.
I've encountered cyclists on Hwy 94 (65mph limit - which is the average speed for automotive drivers) as I've been heading to or from work. While a few of them have used the WIDE shoulder to ride in, many have ridden at the ride side of the traffic lane - sometimes 2 feet to the left of the line. When I'm still rubbing sleep goo out of my eyes in the morning, driving 65mph with 5 cars close enough behind me to give me an enema and I come upon a cyclist in the roadway pushing 45mph and I can't pass due to oncoming traffic, I get a bit peeved and spooked. Laying on the brakes to avoid hitting the cyclist puts me and the other drivers behind me (and oncoming) at risk for the accident that I've narrowly avoided on a few occassions. One such person was a former coworker who was kind enough to educate me (once he arrived at work) about how it's his "right" to be there and it's actually less safe and illegal for him to ride on the shoulder. I would have really hated having the whole shop out of the office for his funeral as I looked his wife in the eyes and told her that his "right" created the situation that got him killed.
Here in the Springs, there is a section of 31st Street that runs across Garden of the Gods Road past Fontanero. This section of road runs past the Garden of the Gods Visitor Center & main entrance. It has a 30 (or 35) mph speed limit and is very narrow, very curvy and with NO shoulder. Passing on this road is limited. Just ~50 feet from this stretch of road, running essentially parallel, is a hiking/bike path. Almost every time I need to drive this road I encounter a cyclist on the road. These folks seem to get their jollies by exercising their "right" to ride on the road and create an avoidable hazardous situation. If I thought doing 30/35 mph on this stretch of road seemed slow, it's nothing compared to sitting behind a cyclist doing 20 or less (often times 15). WTF!
I just want to point out the obvious here:
It's a Speed LIMIT, not a Speed Minimum.
It's completely legal to drive as slow as you want if there is no posted minimum speed.
True, sadly there aren't many roadways with posted minimum speed limits. However, there are laws about impeding the flow of traffic. Let's face it, most folks use the speed limit as the "this is the speed you should be driving", I know I do. Anything less tends to create traffic backups, etc. All this means is that a hazardous situation is brewing and someone could be injured or killed because of it. I certainly wish there was more LE involvement (even a simple warning) for those who impede traffic. It's just as dangerous as speeding is because you're getting concentrations of cars; it's only a matter of time before someone screws up.
I'm certainly not siding with the bicyclists here, I find most of them to be incredibly arrogant about "their rights" and such BS, and they tend to piss me off. I'm just saying that the SUV in the video certainly appeared to have plenty of room to just pass right by 'em, even without going over the double yellow line. Just makes more sense to me to pass 'em and get away from 'em rather than hang right behind 'em honkin' my horn like a fool.
Reminds me of these two fucktards that were behind me one day when I-25 still had an HOV lane. I was going well over the speed limit in the HOV lane, and these two wads were behind me honking and waving at me to move over. So I moved over, but they didn't speed up, they stayed in the HOV lane at the same speed, glaring at me because I dared to be a solo driver in THEIR HOV lane. Apparently they felt the need to be HOV lane police or whatever, but weren't smart enough to realize that the HOV rules were only for certain times of the day, and it was 2.5 hours outside that window.
Some peoples kids......
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Aloha_Shooter
09-19-2012, 19:36
I'm just saying that the SUV in the video certainly appeared to have plenty of room to just pass right by 'em, even without going over the double yellow line. Just makes more sense to me to pass 'em and get away from 'em rather than hang right behind 'em honkin' my horn like a fool.
There is no way he could pass them with 3 feet of space as mandated by the law and not cross the double yellow line. None. It certainly seemed safe to cross the line to pass them but that wouldn't have been legal.
JM Ver. 2.0
09-19-2012, 19:41
I've seen Boulder PD ticket douche bags on bikes for running stop signs... I love those cops... :D
Rucker61
09-19-2012, 21:22
I saw a bicyclist get a ticket for 'failure to obey' when he blew threw a stop sign.. it was on CU campus.. CU PD was my hero that day.
It makes mine, and I wasn't even there.
Rucker61
09-19-2012, 21:24
I'm certainly not siding with the bicyclists here, I find most of them to be incredibly arrogant about "their rights" and such BS, and they tend to piss me off. I'm just saying that the SUV in the video certainly appeared to have plenty of room to just pass right by 'em, even without going over the double yellow line. Just makes more sense to me to pass 'em and get away from 'em rather than hang right behind 'em honkin' my horn like a fool.
Reminds me of these two fucktards that were behind me one day when I-25 still had an HOV lane. I was going well over the speed limit in the HOV lane, and these two wads were behind me honking and waving at me to move over. So I moved over, but they didn't speed up, they stayed in the HOV lane at the same speed, glaring at me because I dared to be a solo driver in THEIR HOV lane. Apparently they felt the need to be HOV lane police or whatever, but weren't smart enough to realize that the HOV rules were only for certain times of the day, and it was 2.5 hours outside that window.
Some peoples kids......
Okay, new invention time. Directional bluetooth connectivity so that you can actually talk into another nearby car's sound system to "explain" things to them live.
Teufelhund
09-19-2012, 21:36
Okay, new invention time. Directional bluetooth connectivity so that you can actually talk into another nearby car's sound system to "explain" things to them live.
Actually pretty easy to do with a UHF transmitter. Only trouble would be getting the FCC to sign off on it.
Don't know if it has been posted yet but they ticketed the SUV driver.
The Colorado State Patrol has issued a citation to a driver who allegedly followed and harassed bicyclists in Boulder County.
75-year-old James Ernst of Erie, Colo. is charged with two counts of harassment, one count of impeding the flow of traffic, and one count of improper use of a horn or warning device.
Dirk Friel, a bicyclist, posted a video on a website on Sunday showing the driver slowly trailing the cyclists as the driver repeatedly honked the horn at them throughout the two-minute clip.
Friel tells the Longmont Times-Call he was worried the driver would cause an accident. He says his biking companion had to use his hand to push off as the vehicle finally passed them.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Man-ticketed-on-suspicion-of-harassing-cyclists-170438896.html?mobile=yes
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Now who ya gonna side with?[ROFL1]
Now HE received a ticket for impeding traffic when the entire video was a double yellow line? That doesn't sound like mob justice at all. Enough people bitch loud enough and they're get anything these days. Someone stop this ride because I want off. I don't even want to play anymore.
All he had to do was go around them like he would anything else. If there was a dead elk on the side of the lane, and you can't go around it without crossing the double yellow lines, are you supposed to run it over or stop and honk at it?
EDIT: I don't think he should have gotten a ticket, for the record.
All he had to do was go around them like he would anything else. If there was a dead elk on the side of the lane, and you can't go around it without crossing the double yellow lines, are you supposed to run it over or stop and honk at it?
EDIT: I don't think he should have gotten a ticket, for the record.
that is an absolutely terrible example....
I know I would stop and if that thing was fresh that thing would be in my freezer. You can't do that with a biker[Tooth]
I have the misfortune of driving into Denver daily. Not all but many cyclists do not obey the rules of the road. I have experienced every kind of stupid there is to offer from these clowns; blowing through intersections, racing between stopped cars, crossing multiple lanes through the sidewalk and back onto the road, you name it. One day I was crossing a road with construction, cars lined up but not blocking my cross street so I proceed across. Well, knowing these idiots, I watch for it...sure enough, some dumbass is racing through cars and meets me in the intersection...fortunately for him, I stopped. I saw four cyclists get hit this summer. So many of them just don't follow the rules of the road; it is hard to anticipate what they are going to do. Of course, there are some who do follow the rules and wonder why motorists are annoyed; well, talk to the morons creating problems. If the light turns red...STOP! I also get frustrated with them on our mountain highways especially with a trailer; I have no idea what they are doing on a highly traveled highway in the first place. Even though I hold a great deal of annoyance, I don't go off or endanger them like this guy. However, I bet this guy is annoyed for a reason.
Half Live
09-19-2012, 23:41
I drive in Denver a lot and I hate 90% of the cycle-lists there. Most seem to be homeless or poor people but they still don't follow the rules of the road. Here is a video I took last winter of one running 2 stop signs. I was following him for a few blocks and he ran like 3 or 4 before I got the camera out.
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Asshole, never called her.
Asshole, never called her.
:confused: Huh?
muddywings
09-20-2012, 10:04
:confused: Huh?
assume the person in the truck is a disgruntled former one-night-stand for one of the cyclists.
Looks like this Ass got tracked down and charged.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/300438/346/Man-charged-with-harassing-cyclists-with-SUV-horn
Byte Stryke
11-20-2012, 04:52
Looks like this Ass got tracked down and charged.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/300438/346/Man-charged-with-harassing-cyclists-with-SUV-horn
http://crayfisher.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/head-desk-1.jpg?w=300&h=225
My phone saw this thread come back ti life and has "facepalm" flashing now
I love how the news agency found a law enforcement official willing to state that the driver should have broken a law by passing on a VERY clearly marked double yellow. The purpose of a double yellow line is to indicate an area that is unsafe for passing regardless of oncoming traffic status. Perhaps if they weren't so keen on making EVERYTHING too dangerous by law that would be a yellow dotted line and allow motorists to make their own decision. That guy could have passed and we wouldn't be talking about this stupid story still. You know it's bad in the way of too many laws when a guy is actually cited for NOT breaking the law and someone tasked with upholding the law is saying he's silly for not just breaking the law. Really? The funny part is that guy would have been cited if he DID pass for passing in a no passing zone. I'd say it's about time we took our society back.
Aloha_Shooter
11-20-2012, 12:15
I still think the driver got railroaded because the cyclists have too much power in Boulder. <shrug> One more reason to stay the hell away from Boulder.
FJoakley
11-21-2012, 00:53
I am glad he got charged. He was a jerk. It was justified he did not get railroaded, it was harassment, anyone who acts like that is irrational and needs to stay away from others freedoms.
Delfuego
11-21-2012, 01:06
I am glad he got charged. He was a jerk.[HiFive]
I still think the driver got railroaded because the cyclists have too much power in Boulder. <shrug> One more reason to stay the hell away from Boulder.
Even though this happened east of Longmont?
I happen thru Boulder often and work in down town Denver. I also spend a fair amount of time in Erie, Superior, Louisville, and Lafayette.
On a daily basis I see bicyclists run red lights and stop signs without even looking to see if there is traffic coming. On a weekly basis I see bicyclists riding 2 and 3 abrest. And if you honk at them then they get angry with you. On about a 2 week basis I have them swerve out in front of me.
Bicyclists have NO business riding on roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane. Frankly they should only be allowed on dedicated bike trails.
It doesn't matter how safely a bicyclist is riding, they are a hazard to trafic.
We have all seen the backlash against groups like the ATVs riders who have made a nuicense of themselves. That is your future if bicyclists continue to behave the way they do.
As for the video...who knows what the bicyclists had done prior to the filming. Moreover, for every incident like this where a driver is a problem, there is probably 100 where a bicyclist is the problem.
DavieD55
11-21-2012, 03:49
I happen thru Boulder often and work in down town Denver. I also spend a fair amount of time in Erie, Superior, Louisville, and Lafayette.
On a daily basis I see bicyclists run red lights and stop signs without even looking to see if there is traffic coming. On a weekly basis I see bicyclists riding 2 and 3 abrest. And if you honk at them then they get angry with you. On about a 2 week basis I have them swerve out in front of me.
Bicyclists have NO business riding on roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane. Frankly they should only be allowed on dedicated bike trails.
It doesn't matter how safely a bicyclist is riding, they are a hazard to trafic.
We have all seen the backlash against groups like the ATVs riders who have made a nuicense of themselves. That is your future if bicyclists continue to behave the way they do.
As for the video...who knows what the bicyclists had done prior to the filming. Moreover, for every incident like this where a driver is a problem, there is probably 100 where a bicyclist is the problem.
+1
When it's warm and those guys are out riding i see everything you described. That desn't mean they are all assclowns with tight pants. But they should only be able to ride on roads with bike lanes. I always see motorists that have to swerve into the opposite lanes to get around the yahoos. They are a nuisance when they get in the way of motorists on the highway. However, our politicians love bicyclists, Since they bring a little revenue and tourism to the state. That is what they will tell you.
Byte Stryke
11-21-2012, 04:49
I think they should have to get registration,plates, license classifications, insurance and pay road vehicle tax just like any other vehicle on the road.
patrick0685
11-21-2012, 12:59
that guy was a douche, im glad we have bike lanes on 95% of our road around here
that guy was a douche, im glad we have bike lanes on 95% of our road around here
So now being a douche is enough to warrant a citation? If that's the case there's not enough trees in the world to create the paper needed. This country feels less & less like America every day.
I think they should have to get registration,plates, license classifications, insurance and pay road vehicle tax just like any other vehicle on the road.
just enforcing the traffic laws for bikes would go a long way. those already exist. no need for more regulations
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